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    ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/b...ooks&smtyp=cur

    If this sentence doesn't capture the black gay American experience, I dunno what does

    "constantly forced to choose between safety and identity — often with dangerous consequences either way"

    It is a harsh environment, yet the most pervasive violence in this book is not physical — it’s the violence of erasure. As a boy trying to be seen for his academic talents in a world that expects little more than anger from black boys, as a boy trying to understand his sexuality in a world that sees black men as symbols of hyper-heterosexuality, Moore is constantly forced to choose between safety and identity — often with dangerous consequences either way. The amount of mental energy it takes to constantly re-evaluate how much of yourself you can expose is soul-crushing.
    Had never heard of the author but a former coworker/friend posted a link to this on Facebook. I found myself "mmhmm"ing and cosigning almost every line. even if I didn't experience some of these things myself I know many who have, and for the few who actually pay attention to gays of color in America [outside of getting fucked by us or jerking off to big dick brutish mandingo thug ravages petite helpless white twink's hole with his gigantic throbbing phallus of destruction fantasy porn] know that they've been suffering silently for years, sort of caught in between two cultures that really don't want anythig to do with them-- black culture doesn't want us because of our perceived emasculation and refusal to meet some imaginary requirement to overpopulate the planet and white gay culture has no use for us outside of our dicks. I'm sorry. "Cocks." [that word sounds like a cough, the most unsexy penis word ever]. Anywho, I'm already immersed in two books so this one's gonna have to wait but it's definitely on my must list.

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    And it's not even just limited to black men. Latino and Asian men are limited in there imo.

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by GreyUnderscore View Post
    And it's not even just limited to black men. Latino and Asian men are limited in there imo.
    Of course, and women, and the disabled, trans, overweight people, the poor, pretty much anyone who isn't a hot young rich heterosexual WASP.

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    This is on my "reading list," too. I lived so close but so far away.. in Camden County from 1995 to 2002. Not the city. Although there are many African-Americans in the boroughs and townships of Camden County, we tend to just write off the city as hopeless. We knew Lawnside, a middle-class suburban borough that has always been an African-American community. We knew of lots of "escapees" from Camden living in the sprawling garden apartments in Lindenwold, and in newly developed housing in Winslow Township and Gloucester Township. I think the idea of black gay men in Camden never occurred to me. Now that is invisibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thad1527 View Post
    This is on my "reading list," too. I lived so close but so far away.. in Camden County from 1995 to 2002. Not the city. Although there are many African-Americans in the boroughs and townships of Camden County, we tend to just write off the city as hopeless. We knew Lawnside, a middle-class suburban borough that has always been an African-American community. We knew of lots of "escapees" from Camden living in the sprawling garden apartments in Lindenwold, and in newly developed housing in Winslow Township and Gloucester Township. I think the idea of black gay men in Camden never occurred to me. Now that is invisibility
    Your posts are always a sensible treat. Thanks for sharing. I know almost nothing about Jersey.

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by fabulouslyghetto View Post
    Your posts are always a sensible treat. Thanks for sharing. I know almost nothing about Jersey.
    You're better off that way.
    Recently I heard a 'wise guy' story that I had a party at my home for twenty-five men. It's an interesting story, but I don't know twenty-five men I'd want to invite to a party. ~Joan Crawford

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    But you social justice warrior types have been telling the rest of us that the black community is not anymore homophobic than anyone else. Now black gays have it harder because... I'm confused. So which is it?

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by fabulouslyghetto View Post
    Of course, and women, and the disabled, trans, overweight people, the poor, pretty much anyone who isn't a hot young rich heterosexual WASP.


    I used to call it, "a social straightjacket", and my own attitude is poisoned by the people around me. The best line from the article: "an assault on the psyche".
    "Don't shoot Officer . . . I like Men"

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by aristomaniac View Post
    But you social justice warrior types have been telling the rest of us that the black community is not anymore homophobic than anyone else. Now black gays have it harder because... I'm confused. So which is it?
    Prepare for itemized response

    First of all, stop using "social justice warrior" as an insult. "ewww look at you SJWs, wanting peace and social cohesion and nobody to be homeless and shit." Are we a nation of sociopaths that those who have compassion for others are mocked for it? That is.... sick. As in nauseating and sick as in I need to find the word for mass psychosis.

    Secondly, the black community is NOT any more homophobic. It was a sea of old white men in Washington that has been putting anti-gay laws on the books for how long now? Was it black people that banned gay marriage? Did black people spend millions of dollars campaigning against our equal rights? Did black people ban gays from the military? Did black medical and psychological experts classify homosexuality as a form of mental illness? Did black people release PSA's warning parents about protecting their children from those "predatory homosexuals?"

    Nope, that was all done by white people, except, as with all their sins, they aren't to be held accountable. [for reference compare comments in a news story about a black man being arrested for selling weed vs a white serial rapist or school shooter-- the black boy is a "lost cause, a menace to society" for selling a plant, the white boy who just slaughtered or raped is "a poor lost soul with emotional problems and his dad never took him to baseball games and he was a really good student..." article about the black boy will contain his mugshot, article about the white boy will use his high-school prom picture] x 355 This post is getting long so I'm not even going to get into the lack of recognition for brown LGBT in contributing to the advancement of OUR equal rights. Of course that glory, as all glory, is denied us.

    Thirdly, stop thinking that when black people talk about our problems that it's in the spirit of some sort of competition to see who has it worst. It's insulting. And a little bit racist. Again, white privilege does NOT mean your life wasn't hard, has never been and will never be hard, it ONLY means that the color of your skin will never be the cause of you not getting a job, or getting roughed up by police, or you can't send your son outside with a toy gun cuz cops might "fear for their lives" and shot the shit out of him. But if I'm being frank, I don't care how poor you grew up or how much your parents beat you or did drugs, I don't care if you grew up eating worms and dirt, if you're a white man in America there are certain things you are immune to, such as somebody not wanting to hire you cuz your name is Brian. Or reminding you at every turn just how unwelcome you, your family and your entire heritage are all in this country. Anybody remember the Italians being banned from travel to the US when the mafia was terrorizing people? Nope? Me neither.

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by EddMarkStarr View Post
    I used to call it, "a social straightjacket", and my own attitude is poisoned by the people around me. The best line from the article: "an assault on the psyche".
    That part really stuck out to me to.

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by fabulouslyghetto View Post
    That part really stuck out to me to.
    It's a brilliant read. It's like nothing I've ever read before. It also needed to be said. But...

    Set some time aside and go sit on your stoop and enjoy this candy:

    See how beautiful we are and blessed, too. Together we are excellent.

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by fabulouslyghetto View Post
    Of course, and women, and the disabled, trans, overweight people, the poor, pretty much anyone who isn't a hot young rich heterosexual WASP.
    So, you think wasps are hot?

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    So, you think wasps are hot?
    wasps sting you. Any other loaded questions?

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by ballcaphair View Post
    It's a brilliant read. It's like nothing I've ever read before. It also needed to be said. But...

    Set some time aside and go sit on your stoop and enjoy this candy:
    Bookmarked, thanks for sharing

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    It's an idea for a new take on The Invisible Man in the "Dark Universe" project: make Jack Griffin black and gay, struggling with visibility and invisibility.

    They are making all that play with gender, sexuality and skin color in trite Hollywood roles these days.
    Last edited by belamo; August 14th, 2018 at 08:19 AM.

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    Re: ny times "black, gay, and becoming visible"

    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    It's an idea for a new take on The Invisible Man in the "Dark Universe" project: make Jack Griffin black and gay, struggling with visibility and invisibility.

    They are making all that play with gender, sexuality and skin color in trite Hollywood roles these days.
    Yeah, I like to drink when I post too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulouslyghetto View Post
    Yeah, I like to drink when I post too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belamo View Post
    Pour me a glass but do me a favor and drive it through Long Island on ya way over here IF ya know what I mean bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulouslyghetto View Post
    Pour me a glass but do me a favor and drive it through Long Island on ya way over here IF ya know what I mean bitch.
    I have no idea
    I am not a drunkard, how could I get your sense?

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