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    Echoes of Arrogance and Outcomes from 2016 [SPLIT]

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Certainly his recent decisions have all been doctrinaire, conservative and/or reactionary....he really can't be looked to as a 'swing' justice these days.

    I have to assume though, that he may be getting nudged out at this stage because the GOP know that come November, it will be damned near impossible for Trump to get any other nominee approved for the SC.

    Kennedy's vacancy will allow TrumpCo. to put in a hardliner who will have an influence on the direction of the SC for decades to come.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/justic...-supreme-court

    Gee. I hope the Progressives are really happy now.
    Arrogance cost folks dearly and they got exactly what they deserved. All of the evidence was there of what was going to happen if the DNC moved forward with her. They chose to spit in the wind. Be mad at the DNC for ignoring all of the tell-tale signs in front of their faces as the warning signs were there before the Primaries even began. It should not be surprising if Trump gets another 4 years because it still doesn't look like the DNC has learned from their mistakes.

    Better hope Biden is the nominee because I am having a hard time seeing anyone else at this point beat Trump.
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    Wow. Just wow.

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    Nazi America is around the corner if all do not vote!

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    Wow. Just wow.
    I think the underlying suggestion is that we are stronger together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    If you are gay, you realise that Obama liked you, don't you? Trump does not.
    Trump is from New York. He may not wave the rainbow flag every time he he goes out on the street, but guarantee he does not have anything against Gay people. It's just not a prime focus of his, but nor does he have anything against us.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Trump is from New York. He may not wave the rainbow flag every time he he goes out on the street, but guarantee he does not have anything against Gay people. It's just not a prime focus of his, but nor does he have anything against us.
    He doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would let that stop him from throwing anyone under the bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Trump is from New York. He may not wave the rainbow flag every time he he goes out on the street, but guarantee he does not have anything against Gay people. It's just not a prime focus of his, but nor does he have anything against us.
    He's surrounded himself with sincere bigots of every variety, whether or not he personally has anything against homos doesn't mean he won't take a shit all over our civil rights, or hire someone who will. Meanwhile, back at the ranch....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Trump is from New York. He may not wave the rainbow flag every time he he goes out on the street, but guarantee he does not have anything against Gay people. It's just not a prime focus of his, but nor does he have anything against us.
    Really?
    Thanks, bitches !

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabulouslyghetto View Post
    He's surrounded himself with sincere bigots of every variety, whether or not he personally has anything against homos doesn't mean he won't take a shit all over our civil rights, or hire someone who will. Meanwhile, back at the ranch....
    Also there will be Fox New's coverage of Pense, Sessions, and John 3:16. Meanwhile, back at the ranch....
    See how beautiful we are and blessed, too. Together we are excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanFrank View Post
    Really?
    Yes, because with Gay people, we are always on everyone's minds 24/7 and it's always all about us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Yes, because with Gay people, we are always on everyone's minds 24/7 and it's always all about us.
    From where I sit, I haven't seen anything that Trump has done in favour of gay people. Everything he's done has been to the detriment of gay people, including filling his administration with gay haters who he knows will do his job for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    From where I sit, I haven't seen anything that Trump has done in favour of gay people. Everything he's done has been to the detriment of gay people, including filling his administration with gay haters who he knows will do his job for him.
    Well, maybe life isn't all about Gay People 24/7 and there are other pressing things in the country to focus on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Trump is from New York. He may not wave the rainbow flag every time he he goes out on the street, but guarantee he does not have anything against Gay people. It's just not a prime focus of his, but nor does he have anything against us.
    He may not, who cares. What he does what he does care about is what helps his cronies and his own self interest. He would sell his mother's remains to a necrophiliac if there was a good deal, a great deal involved for himself. This was obvious as he received the endorsements fo the family research council (Tony Perkins), Jimmy Falwell Jr, Pat Robeson, and many other cult extreme Evangelist hater mongers. This deal included a extremely dangerous self righteous asshole vice President with a well documented dislike of gay people. We are seeing the deal come about with tRumps shit head base support and they thrive in it, and his tiny dick can almost get hard as he licks it up.

    To not see this or think that because tRump is from New York City and around gay peole therefore he can't do anything bad or dislike them is ludicrous and naive. tRumps prime focus has always been and always wiill be a constant liar, a swindler, narcissistic ignorant self serving idiot. His long documented history of corruption, greed, and immoral treatment of business and personal relationships is something he has always flaunted. His history of racism and civil actions based on his bankrupt ass is all over. tRump didn't arrive on the scene during the bullshit birther scene. The sack of shit is 72 and been a B-rated media whore for the last 5 decades before ever running for POTUS.

    tRump is a authoritarian, bully, the old man thinks he is smarter than Einstein but really a sea slug will be on the Earth long after his shitty ass is dust in the wind forever. People that like this sort of rule enjoy authoritarian rule, disguised with colorful words like "freedom", "Patriot", "constitution", "religious freedom" all words that have been used in history for the exact opposite.

    He sold a good bunch of people on lies telling them what they wanted to hear, and the gullible "marks" bought it. They either refused to look at what he has said in the past and what he actually did. It worked again every thing he promised is bullshit and he is doing the opposite and the corrupt miserable GOP and impotent Dems are all cashing in bought off by the donors. tRump is a good flim-flam man thats for sure. Ask the morons who bought into tRump university and he settled out of court to a tune of 25 million directly before the election to keep that rip-off out of court.

    The other group of people tRump loves to work with his ignorant hateful propaganda are the true deplorable s, and they are all there .... they do represent a fair about of tRumps core base to deny so it just not worth the time to debate.

    tRump knows his base and he is their reality TV star, not anyone else. He could give a shit about anyone outside of his cult. That is a whole lot of white limber dicks and sagging tits at those jelly roll red, white, & blue rallies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Well, maybe life isn't all about Gay People 24/7 and there are other pressing things in the country to focus on.

    #Generation Me.
    Civil rights and assimilation are as pressing as any other matter, at least to any person who doesn't have a chip on their shoulder about sexuality.

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    Civil rights and assimilation are as pressing as any other matter, at least to any person who doesn't have a chip on their shoulder about sexuality.
    What rights don't you have?
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Trump is from New York. He may not wave the rainbow flag every time he he goes out on the street, but guarantee he does not have anything against Gay people. It's just not a prime focus of his, but nor does he have anything against us.
    Too bad the people around him and the judges he is putting on the courts do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    What rights don't you have?
    apparently wedding cake, any other baiting questions?

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    Re: Justice Anthony Kennedy Retires From Supreme Court

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    What rights don't you have?
    This statement proves that you are either a Russian trollbot....or definitely not an American homo. Because if you were an American homo, you would know the answer to this without asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This statement proves that you are either a Russian trollbot....or definitely not an American homo. Because if you were an American homo, you would know the answer to this without asking.
    Lousy and transparent dodge. It's coming across to me that much like modern-day Feminism (which is really Sexism), it is not about equality but more about using this issue to mold inherent advantages in life over others.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Lousy and transparent dodge. It's coming across to me that much like modern-day Feminism (which is really Sexism), it is not about equality but more about using this issue to mold inherent advantages in life over others.
    Totally bullshit. As I noted, if you aren't aware of the structural imbalance of civil rights for homos in America in 2018, you either are not a homo, not American or you have your head up your ass so far that you should be seeing daylight through your nostrils...or you are being utterly disingenuous and provocative merely to be confrontational.

    Even a self-hating closet case would have to be at least aware of the legal barriers and abysses that lgbtq people face in employment, housing, military service, adoption and even going to the bathroom in America..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Totally bullshit. As I noted, if you aren't aware of the structural imbalance of civil rights for homos in America in 2018, you either are not a homo, not American or you have your head up your ass so far that you should be seeing daylight through your nostrils...or you are being utterly disingenuous and provocative merely to be confrontational.

    Even a self-hating closet case would have to be at least aware of the legal barriers and abysses that lgbtq people face in employment, housing, military service, adoption and even going to the bathroom in America..
    Employment
    Again, I ask, are you looking for equality or are you looking for an inherent advantage, such as affirmative action and quotas in the job market?

    Adoption
    Same-sex adoption is legal in all 50 states as of June 26, 2017.

    Going to the Bathroom
    Who is preventing anyone from using a public bathroom in the country? If someone has a condition and identifies as the opposite sex, I am not seeing the issue with that person being prevented to be able to use the restroom of their actual gender nor why the entire rest of the country should change all public bathrooms/policy in the entire country due to an extreme minority's condition. Why even bother having separated bathrooms or locker rooms anymore? Let men see women naked and vice versa. No issues there.
    Telling it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Again, I ask, are you looking for equality or are you looking for an inherent advantage, such as affirmative action …
    Properly administered, affirmative action does not create an inherent advantage – it neutralizes an unfair advantage. Or to put it another way, it helps to undo the use of employment opportunities “to mold inherent advantages in life over others.”


    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    … I am not seeing … why the entire rest of the country should change all public bathrooms/policy in the entire country due to an extreme minority's condition.
    Try substituting “undo” for “change.”

    In fact, laws in the US did not even address the issue of separating public restrooms by sex until the end of the 19th century, when Massachusetts became the first state to enact such a statute. By 1920, more than 40 states had adopted similar legislation requiring that public restrooms be separated by sex.

    How did bathrooms get to be separated by gender in the first place? (The Guardian; June 2016)
    Why is the multi-stall bathroom the last public vestige of gendered social separation? When men, gay or straight, can stand shoulder to shoulder at urinals without a second thought, is there much to back up the view that men and women must not pee or poop next to one another, especially if closed stalls would shield them from view?

    Who’s Afraid of Gender-Neutral Bathrooms? (The New Yorker; January 2016)
    Don't be surprised by unisex bathrooms, or men's and women's rooms with a common lobby. The French are not nearly as hung up about separate restrooms as, say, the Americans. You'll inevitably find these in small restaurants.

    How To Use the Toilets in France (TripSavvy; August 2017)
    It’s not as radical of an idea as you might think. Throughout my entire senior year at Duke University, I lived on a floor with completely co-ed bathrooms. When the bathroom got busy, I showered and peed one stall over from women and men and trans people alike. For the cis students on my hall, the co-ed bathroom wasn’t a big deal. But for the trans students, myself included, it was a revelation. I finally felt safe when I needed to tinkle.

    Why All Bathrooms Should Be Gender-Neutral (Time; March 2017)
    Japan is among the more progressive countries in the region when it comes to LGBT rights. In 2015, the government issued a notice for school boards to allow transgender students to use bathrooms and don uniforms according to their gender identity … a stark contrast to the debate surrounding bathroom bills in the U.S.

    Japan Is Considering Transgender-Friendly Restrooms For The 2020 Olympics (a plus; March 2017)
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    Re: Justice Anthony Kennedy Retires From Supreme Court

    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Employment
    Again, I ask, are you looking for equality or are you looking for an inherent advantage, such as affirmative action and quotas in the job market?

    Adoption
    Same-sex adoption is legal in all 50 states as of June 26, 2017.

    Going to the Bathroom
    Who is preventing anyone from using a public bathroom in the country? If someone has a condition and identifies as the opposite sex, I am not seeing the issue with that person being prevented to be able to use the restroom of their actual gender nor why the entire rest of the country should change all public bathrooms/policy in the entire country due to an extreme minority's condition. Why even bother having separated bathrooms or locker rooms anymore? Let men see women naked and vice versa. No issues there.
    If you don't know the answer to the Employment question, then you can't be an American homo. You just can't. Because it has sweet fuck all to do with affirmative action or quotas.

    As for adoption, you aren't even very good at googling. What do you use over there?

    And I see you've just ignored the other issues.

    We see behind the curtain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    If you don't know the answer to the Employment question, then you can't be an American homo. You just can't. Because it has sweet fuck all to do with affirmative action or quotas.

    As for adoption, you aren't even very good at googling. What do you use over there?

    And I see you've just ignored the other issues.

    We see behind the curtain.
    Yep, you got me. Creating umteen threads per day on JUB in the Political Form ought to help sway opinion and make a difference.
    Telling it like it is.

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    ^ Better than wallowing in utter, naked ignorance about what is actually going on in the world and promulgating opinions founded in misogyny and homophobia in a homo political forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Better than wallowing in utter, naked ignorance about what is actually going on in the world and promulgating opinions founded in misogyny and homophobia in a homo political forum.
    You say misogyny ... I say it's sexism on your part for some issues that probably need to be tackled and which correlate to some things you still have not gotten over since the last election.

    Do you think creating all of your threads on a homo forum is going to make a difference in voter opinion? What is your purpose for doing what you do? I don't think you are looking for discussion of issues ... it's just rather post anything and everything you can construe as being Anti-Trump. If Trump doesn't flush the toilet, there is a likely chance you will post a thread on it.

    This is the reason why many Independents are ignoring this "stomp my feet and have a temper tantrum if I don't get my way" attitude and just driving folks to folks like Trump who are sick of the whining and crying.
    Telling it like it is.

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    ^ First, Trump thinks his shit doesn't stink, so forget the toilet argument. And as an Independent, no thank you, Sir, I've already had enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Well, maybe life isn't all about Gay People 24/7 and there are other pressing things in the country to focus on.
    Only white, Christian, wealthy and male heterosexuals can kick back and watch life go by all the while relaxing. If you are in any kind of minority group, then yes, it is all about gay people, (in this example) 24\7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    "stomp my feet and have a temper tantrum if I don't get my way"
    How interesting. That's exactly what Trump does. Is that where you got the idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    You say misogyny ... I say it's sexism on your part for some issues that probably need to be tackled and which correlate to some things you still have not gotten over since the last election.

    Do you think creating all of your threads on a homo forum is going to make a difference in voter opinion? What is your purpose for doing what you do? I don't think you are looking for discussion of issues ... it's just rather post anything and everything you can construe as being Anti-Trump. If Trump doesn't flush the toilet, there is a likely chance you will post a thread on it.

    This is the reason why many Independents are ignoring this "stomp my feet and have a temper tantrum if I don't get my way" attitude and just driving folks to folks like Trump who are sick of the whining and crying.
    So why do you continue to post in the threads on a homo bulletin board?

    Do you think that your opinions, apparently based on incredibly incomplete knowledge of homo life in America are going to sway anyone else's opinion?

    I suspect that the only reason that you hang around here, particularly around election seasons is to do your best to sow dissent and fracture the left.

    Prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Better than wallowing in utter, naked ignorance about what is actually going on in the world and promulgating opinions founded in misogyny and homophobia in a homo political forum.
    rareboy, don't take the bait. He's just entirely jealous and needs attention. He's no contribution at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    So why do you continue to post in the threads on a homo bulletin board?

    Do you think that your opinions, apparently based on incredibly incomplete knowledge of homo life in America are going to sway anyone else's opinion?

    I suspect that the only reason that you hang around here, particularly around election seasons is to do your best to sow dissent and fracture the left.

    Prove me wrong.
    Fair point.

    I can honestly say that I am more-than-annoyed with a large number of folks on the Left who bitch, moan, and whine about everything under the sun and ... who you know, were given ample warning about the outcome of the last election ... but chose to spit in the wind and didn't listen. What I see in this day and age are childish, sour grapes temper tantrums which are turning the rest of the Independent population away from you.

    History appears to be repeating itself and where it was assumed folks would learn from their mistakes, that doesn't appear to be the case and Democrats appear to be setting themselves up for another loss in 2020.

    You are focusing on the wrong things. I can guarantee the American population doesn't care about Russians creating some no-name social media sites and are not buying that the election was swayed from these obscure sites, which we have yet to see, despite the media (a big part of the problem) shoving this down people's throats. Nobody involved in the investigation is claiming as such, either. Frankly, just the opposite. Nobody likes people that act like spoiled brats when they don't get their way and that is the way the Democratic Party and its supporters have acted since the loss. You are driving people away, not appealing to them.

    I post on here mainly for therapeutic, social reasons, I suppose. Just to air my opinions with a number of folks who don't agree with many of them, hear what they say in return, etc.
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    hahahaha

    Seriously...it is the Bernie or Bust and 'Independent' voters who seem to have been throwing a tantrum from 2016 up until today.

    It has been the Never Hillary voters who have acted like spoiled brats....always whining and complaining about her, the DNC and the election they helped to lose for the left.

    Many of your posts are exactly like this.

    But at the end of the day, your finger wagging convinces no one. You sound no different than the trollbot from Putin's St. Petersburg farm.

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    hahahaha

    Seriously...it is the Bernie or Bust and 'Independent' voters who seem to have been throwing a tantrum from 2016 up until today.

    It has been the Never Hillary voters who have acted like spoiled brats....always whining and complaining about her, the DNC and the election they helped to lose for the left.

    Many of your posts are exactly like this.

    But at the end of the day, your finger wagging convinces no one. You sound no different than the trollbot from Putin's St. Petersburg farm.
    Couldn't disagree more with the Bernie or Bust movement. What do they have to throw temper tantrums about? They warned you. You didn't listen. Your candidate has no problems rigging elections in her favor, yet once the tables are turned, she can't take the heat.

    Stay the course then. Maybe you will be fortunate enough that Maxine Waters will be the next nominee for the DNC.
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    What do they have to throw temper tantrums about? They warned you. You didn't listen. Your candidate has no problems rigging elections in her favor, yet once the tables are turned, she can't take the heat.
    I take it you didn't read any of the reports of the Senate Intelligence Committee's recent determination that Russia did, indeed, meddle in the election in favour of Trump and to destroy Clinton. And I take it that you've forgotten that MORE Americans voted for Clinton than Trump. Americans did not elect this president.
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    I take it you didn't read any of the reports of the Senate Intelligence Committee's recent determination that Russia did, indeed, meddle in the election in favour of Trump and to destroy Clinton. And I take it that you've forgotten that MORE Americans voted for Clinton than Trump. Americans did not elect this president.
    Meddling in an election and having a proven impact that swayed the outcome are two entirely different things. Not one party involved in doing the investigation said the result of the election was swayed from a few no-name social media sites.

    Again, no problem rigging elections on your side, but can't take the heat when the tables are turned. It is no wonder why so many Independents largely ignore folks in your camp.

    If you think the election outcome would be different, I challenge you to run Hillary again in 2020 and see what happens.

    Sour grapes. Those that live in glass houses should not be casting stones.

    Or, go with Maxine Waters.
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    Meddling in an election and having a proven impact that swayed the outcome are two entirely different things.
    That was a Stretch Armstrong reach right there.


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    That was a Stretch Armstrong reach right there.

    You are going to say with a straight face that some newly-created social media sites swayed the election outcome?
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    You are going to say with a straight face that some newly-created social media sites swayed the election outcome?
    Is that what you think their investigation determined, that Russia fixed our election with twitter?

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    Is that what you think their investigation determined, that Russia fixed our election with twitter?
    Social media disinformation sites, which not one single government official is willing to state the outcome of the election was any different. You have other information or specifics to the contrary?
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    Social media disinformation sites, which not one single government official is willing to state the outcome of the election was any different. You have other information or specifics to the contrary?
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    Couldn't disagree more with the Bernie or Bust movement. What do they have to throw temper tantrums about? They warned you. You didn't listen. Your candidate has no problems rigging elections in her favor, yet once the tables are turned, she can't take the heat.

    Stay the course then. Maybe you will be fortunate enough that Maxine Waters will be the next nominee for the DNC.
    This is what I am talking about. Two years on and the GOP and the fringe left are still obsessed with Hillary. Still throwing tantrums about the imaginary chances of Sanders winning the nomination or the election. Given the choice between selling their country out and throwing hissy fits....the 'progressives' chose to hand the country over to the GOP and are now watching years of progressive gains under Obama being literally erased from existence and facing the construction of a Supreme Court that could make the US a conservative, religious, anti-democratic oligarchy.

    BTW. It is undisputed that Russians influenced the election outcome, not through social media necessarily, but through funneling money into the GOP candidate coffers. But what is more insidious is that through Manafort and others in the Trump campaign.....they influenced the GOP platform in favour of Russia. And that is also undisputed fact.

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    Meddling in an election and having a proven impact that swayed the outcome are two entirely different things.
    I watched the numbers. I saw the ratings. I watched one of the debates. I saw Trump losing. I saw Clinton winning. I saw Comey announce reopening the investigation a week before the election. I saw Pizzagate. I saw Clinton's ratings go down. I saw Trump's ratings go up. I saw Clinton getting MORE VOTES than Trump. I saw Trump win.

    The election wasn't rigged. Trump had help, and that help came from Russia because Putin knew what a push-over Trump would be. Money was funnelling in to Trump's bank accounts. Trump owed Russian banks big time. Trump had too many business projects on the go and he needed Putin's help to get them done.

    Russia won the election for Trump and now Trump is doing everything he can to kiss Putin's ass, including blocking sanctions against Russia.

    And now his entire presidency so far has been nothing less than an on-going Conflict Of Interest for both Trump and his family. They are getting richer by the day on your dime.

    Oh, right. "But her Emails!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    This is what I am talking about. Two years on and the GOP and the fringe left are still obsessed with Hillary. Still throwing tantrums about the imaginary chances of Sanders winning the nomination or the election. Given the choice between selling their country out and throwing hissy fits....the 'progressives' chose to hand the country over to the GOP and are now watching years of progressive gains under Obama being literally erased from existence and facing the construction of a Supreme Court that could make the US a conservative, religious, anti-democratic oligarchy.

    BTW. It is undisputed that Russians influenced the election outcome, not through social media necessarily, but through funneling money into the GOP candidate coffers. But what is more insidious is that through Manafort and others in the Trump campaign.....they influenced the GOP platform in favour of Russia. And that is also undisputed fact.
    Funneling money? You mean like how Hillary funneled money during the Democratic Primaries and broke campaign financing laws? No sympathy.

    What was the money spent on and do you have any proof it changed the election outcome? Again, thus far, nobody in this investigation has been willing to say that.

    As far as erasing Obama's gains ... folks took a stand against corruption in the DNC and warned the DNC and the Hillary bots that this could very well happen. Is it the fault of the Sanders voters that Hillary colluded in the Primaries and broke campaign finance laws, secured debate questions in advance, etc. ?

    Hillary voters chugged forward in hopes of seeing the first female President, ignored the warnings, and now our crying foul when the Sanders voters did what they warned in advance they were going to do. The DNC didn't listen. It is what it is and the DNC paid a steep price that will be felt for decades to come.
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    ^ Again, the way you write, it is clear that you are no liberal or progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Again, the way you write, it is clear that you are no liberal or progressive.
    If not voting for a known corrupt politician that simply has a "D" next to her name means I don't hold "liberal" or "progressive" views, then so be it. Some battles are bigger than just political views and the people in each of our respective camps are not going to agree ... but we see what the end result will be when push comes to shove with what we are willing to do in order to preserve free and fair elections versus corruption within the status quo that you are willing to tolerate.

    Some of us are willing to pay longer term prices if it means making an example out of party elites who don't care about their own charter rules or laws, have to stack the deck with superdelegates, and cheat however possible. It frankly is stunning and amazes me that so many of you are okay with that kind of corruption.
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    If not voting for a known corrupt politician that simply has a "D" next to her name means I don't hold "liberal" or "progressive" views, then so be it.
    Trump's entire life has been corrupt going back to way before his bone spurs. His father was just as corrupt, just as big a liar, just as horrible as a landlord, and just as bigoted as his son. Where do you think Trump fell in love with the Nazis and the KKK? and Trump has infiltrated the government with it, and you're paying the price.

    Like father, like son.

    And you're trying to convince us that he's the best thing that has ever happened to your country.

    When I see what he has done and is doing to everyone around him, to all my American friends, to all your allies, you will never convince me of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Trump's entire life has been corrupt going back to way before his bone spurs. His father was just as corrupt, just as big a liar, just as horrible as a landlord, and just as bigoted as his son. Where do you think Trump fell in love with the Nazis and the KKK? and Trump has infiltrated the government with it, and you're paying the price.

    Like father, like son.

    And you're trying to convince us that he's the best thing that has ever happened to your country.

    When I see what he has done and is doing to everyone around him, to all my American friends, to all your allies, you will never convince me of that.
    The problem is that Hillary was the known political insider, which in this day and age, puts you at an immediate disadvantage. The country doesn't value political experience any longer because Americans don't trust most politicians. Hillary was firmly entrenched within the DNC, and being so far entrenched in a political party, especially where it is known she carried a ton of baggage and carried a high unfavorability rating prior to the Primaries campaigns being underway, gave Trump an immediate advantage. He was on outsider who the citizens were willing to give a chance to.

    I can say there is a definite feeling in this country that we are taken advantage of around the world with the amount of foreign aid we dole out annually, the amount of military resources we provide, etc. So when you have someone in the country willing to stand up and put their foot down to say "enough", this is what ignited a major part of the country to want to put Trump in office. They didn't feel Hillary would be willing to do this and it would be politics, as usual.

    Thus far, Trump hasn't been disappointing with his stance on trade. Right or wrong, Americans wanted to see Trump stand up to other countries who the citizens perceive are taking advantage of the U.S. and its generosity.

    Perception is reality, right or wrong, so if that is what the citizens of the country perceive to be the case, it should be no surprise they are willing to take chances.

    Make no mistake about it ... Russia may have been rooting for Trump, but they didn't put Trump in office. American knew what it was doing and American citizens put Trump in office as this is now a country that does not want to see "politics as usual" any longer.
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    ^ America didn't put Trump in office.

    Razor thin margins and the electoral college put Trump in office. Helped by Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    Thus far, Trump hasn't been disappointing with his stance on trade. Right or wrong, Americans wanted to see Trump stand up to other countries who the citizens perceive are taking advantage of the U.S. and its generosity.
    That's what Trump keeps saying and his base is gobbling it up, but that is not what the facts say. The man knows nothing and understands nothing about trade. Nothing. And he has no desire to learn about it.
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