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    So the Fuckers have buckled...after saying Democrats would have to change 'their' law, to denying it was happening, to using Bible verses to justify their cruelty, to trying to use the kids as hostages....the regime has been finally forced out into the open.

    Trump has had to rescind his own policy and taste some defeat.

    Hopefully he is so angry with Stephen Miller for this embarrassment that he fires the little fucker finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    It's more like $25 billion. [Link]
    One of the challenges of this whole debacle is that the government has to sue for eminent domain- the US government doesn't own the border, so the fence/barrier/wall goes through private property and, in the case of Texas, State-owned land. The government has to purchase this land which adds to the cost of whatever it is they think they're going to build.

    The cost of the fence/border/wall doesn't matter, after all, since Mexico is paying for it, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I still don't get why he needs the Dems.

    The Republicans control all 3 branches of government .
    He needs someone to blame. The sign on his desk says, "The buck stops with the Democrats". This is the guy that went around in 2016 saying that only he could fix our broken government, yet he now claims that only the Democrats can fix this particular aspect of our broken government.

    Today, apparently Trump decided that he didn't need the Democrats to reverse his own policy, so he signed an Executive Order to reverse his own policy.

    Unfortunately, his Order isn't being grandfathered, so the 2,000+ children that were picked up since Sessions announced Trump's "zero tolerance" policy will remain in custody.

    It was also announced that the DOJ is "borrowing" attorneys from the DoD because the DOJ is so overwhelmed with the prosecution of all these "zero tolerance" arrests. Apparently, our elfin Attorney General Sessions forgot to plan for the cost and work effort to prosecute the immigrants who were arrested under the new policy he announced in May.


    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Get them to pay for the wall out of the tax cuts.
    I've often though that the best way to put this wall idea to bed is to add a line item to the US tax returns that says "Border Wall Fee". Since there are about 240 million returns filed every year, that's about $40-100 per return. Since Congress never budgets for maintenance, the fee would have to be an annual fee to fund the maintenance of the wall.
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    There are stories that are beginning to surface that children in the custody of DHS and HHS have been transported to other states:

    Hundreds of Immigrant Kids Separated from Parents Are Sent to New York [WNYC]
    As many as 200 immigrant children separated from their parents at the border as part of the controversial zero tolerance immigration policy are now living in the New York area, at group homes or with foster families, according to the New York Civil Liberties Union. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo estimated the total is somewhat lower, 70, but growing.

    The 10 nonprofit agencies in New York have multi-million dollar contracts with the federal government to provide care for the children.
    Babies torn from immigrant parents land in Michigan: 'They need diapers' [Detroit Free Press]
    A humanitarian crisis has landed on the doorsteps of a west Michigan foster care agency, where volunteers are scrambling to meet the needs of dozens of immigrant children who have been separated from their parents.
    There were other reports that airlines like American Airlines have been chartered to transport children to out-of-state facilities. In some cases, DHS told the airlines that the children were a soccer team. Following the discovery that these were the incarcerated children from the border camps, several US airlines have put out statements saying they would be no part of transporting these children:

    Statement on Recent Reports of Separated Families
    American today released the following statement on recent reports of separated families:

    “The family separation process that has been widely publicized is not at all aligned with the values of American Airlines — we bring families together, not apart. American, like many U.S. airlines, provides travel to the federal government through contracts; however, the government does not disclose information about the nature of the flights it takes or the passengers who are traveling. While we have carried refugees for non-profits and the government, many of whom are being reunited with family or friends, we have no knowledge that the federal government has used American to transport children who have been separated from their parents due to the recent immigration policy, but we would be extremely disappointed to learn that is the case.

    “We have therefore requested the federal government to immediately refrain from using American for the purpose of transporting children who have been separated from their families due to the current immigration policy. We have no desire to be associated with separating families, or worse, to profit from it. We have every expectation the government will comply with our request and we thank them for doing so.”
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    Just watch. They'll rescind this policy...FOR NOW...until Agent Orange says the next outrageous thing that gets the public outraged...and they'll silently start shredding families and kidnapping children AGAIN. The public and the media will forget about this issue, because this will be done very secretly - and "illegal immigrants and amnesty seekers" have NO VOICE at all, so this can happen entirely unnoticed. Teflon Don...nothing sticks to him...his base loves him, even when he talks about these people "infesting" the U. S. What are these people, anyway - VERMIN?? Those seeking asylum are fleeing horrific and life-threatening situations, and their voices are supposed to be heard.

    Asylum is an ENTIRELY different animal from "Mexicans crossing the border illegally" - and there are supposed to be some requirements for us to recognize their plight.

    Apparently there are NO PLANS to reunite any of these thousands (and thousands and thousands and thousands?????) of children with their parents. The President did NOTHING. This same shit is guaranteed to continue, because he can get away with lying that the policy is changing.

    It doesn't help that, to immigrate "PROPERLY and legally" the process may take DECADES, and it's easy for people to DIE waiting. Why should this process take any more than, say, five weeks? I mean, a lot of this can be done with databases, and this is just putting money into the pockets of private prison profiteers - and, yes, these ARE PRISONS, or more commonly I call them concentration camps.

    This is likely to stay fucked up for a long time, and I am still thinking it's very likely some children (and possibly parents) have been secretly killed off. I also don't trust any figures that are coming out (like there were more than 1,000 children lost, and suddenly the figure 6,000 came out?).
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    Re: TrumpCo. to build tent cities for kids separated from families

    In the tradition of fucking up a wet dream, they misspelled "separated" in the Order:



    Be on the lookout because the Administration is moving to negate the Flores Agreement which prevents the US government from holding immigrant children more than 20 days. They still want to continue to maintain "camps" for immigrants and they would have to undo Flores in order to keep the entire family incarcerated together with the children for more than 20 days.

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    Re: TrumpCo. to build tent cities for kids separated from families

    Quote Originally Posted by KaraBulut View Post
    In the tradition of fucking up a wet dream, they misspelled "separated" in the Order:



    Be on the lookout because the Administration is moving to negate the Flores Agreement which prevents the US government from holding immigrant children more than 20 days. They still want to continue to maintain "camps" for immigrants and they would have to undo Flores in order to keep the entire family incarcerated together with the children for more than 20 days.

    2 of these children have apparently ended up here in Connecticut of all places. Rather than staying in Washington trying to figure out how to fix this mess, Herr Trump jetted off to a rally in Minnesota. The usual dog and pony show extolling his regime including the predictable "lock her up" and "Build the wall" with nary a mention of the biggest story of the day. The mindless robots also known as his "base" that apparently allow him to do what he wants with no consequences, lapped up all the hyperbole and for the most part the lies that he shoveled at them. Unfortunately, these automatons have no idea that most things that he utters are full blown lies and bluster. He needs to get his narcissistic ass back to Washington and start tracking down where all these children have been shipped off to and get them back to their parents. I know, fat chance, but a girl can dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swmjck View Post
    Unfortunately, these automatons have no idea that most things that he utters are full blown lies and bluster.
    Oh, they know they're lies, but it's the people who are telling them that they are lies are the real liars. Trump told them so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Oh, they know they're lies, but it's the people who are telling them that they are lies are the real liars. Trump told them so.
    You can pretty much anticipate who supports Trump by looking at where they get their news.

    There's a feedback loop that has developed in a couple of news outlets where negative stories like the children at the border situation are not aired and all the positive White House press releases are parroted nearly verbatim (with spell-check turned on, though). It's no wonder that there's continued support from Trumpists because they're getting a very filtered view of what is going on.

    On the other side of the coin, the people reading and watching more Left news outlets like Huffington Post and MSNBC are getting a big dose of anti-Trump stories and extensive coverage of the fallout of the "zero tolerance" policies. They're also hearing the words "lies" and seeing simultaneous graphics that say, "What he's saying is not true".

    Something that I saw this morning that was like something out of 1984: at the Minnesota rally, there was a riff from Trump about how rich he is. Prior to this, the people in the audience were whooping and applauding. When Trump starts bragging about being rich, the applause is less enthusiastic and instead there's a lot of head nodding and robotic smiles. They even applaud when he points toward the audience and he reminds them that they were called "the deplorables". It's looking more and more like a cult.



    CBS put out some poll numbers on how support of the parent-child separation policy plays in different groups (this was prior to the release of the recordings of the children crying and calling for their parents). It was not popular but there were differences that tied to party affiliation:

    CBS News poll: Two-thirds of Americans say separating children, parents at border unacceptable [CBS]
    Sixty-seven percent of Americans call it unacceptable to separate children from parents who've been caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally. Much of this is driven by large percentages of Democrats (90 percent) and independents (66 percent) who find it unacceptable, while Republicans are more divided overall, with 39 percent calling it unacceptable, and one in five had not heard enough about it. Older, very conservative Republicans are more apt to say it is acceptable, while younger and more moderate Republicans do not.
    On a positive note: the government used to fund legal aide programs that provided legal assistance to immigrants who were arrested at the border (which the courts have said that they are entitled to by law). The Trump administration coincidentally pulled funding for those programs shortly before the announced their "zero tolerance" policy. A couple started a GoFundMe to raise funds to help provide legal assistance to families caught in the family separations at the border. Their fund raising goal was $1,500. As of this morning, the campaign had raised $15 million dollars.
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    According to a newly released Rasmussen poll, most voters blame the parents of the separated children at the border for the latest illegal immigration crisis, not the federal government.

    When families are arrested and separated after attempting to enter the United States illegally, 54% of Likely U.S. Voters say the parents are more to blame for breaking the law. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that only 35% believe the federal government is more to blame for enforcing the law.

    To help understand the current political debate over the children issue, a closer look shows that 82% of Republicans and 56% of voters not affiliated with either major political party feel the parents are more to blame for breaking the law. But 60% of Democrats say the government is more to blame for enforcing the law.

    The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on June 19-20, 2018 by Rasmussen Reports.

    Source Link: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...hildren_crisis
    [link to [url]www.rasmussenreports.com][/url]

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    ^ Why doesn't your link work? Why doesn't anything show up when I point at it?
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    maybe because I'm seeing a young hot Guatemalan with a wife and 4 year old back in his country---but this shit has been hard to watch from this sadistic fuck---make no mistake his biographer says he's a sick sadistic troll---Click image for larger version. 

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    And that whole Time cover cheap has already been proven bullshit.
    But keep throwing shade people, you are proving Trump's case every day. Lol!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    And that whole Time cover cheap has already been proven bullshit.
    But keep throwing shade people, you are proving Trump's case every day. Lol!!!
    Then why is it on the cover of the July 2 issue? Lol!!!

    http://time.com/magazine/

    What fake news site did you get that little fact from?
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    The Washington Post.
    Bwaa has has haaa!!!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...r-father-says/

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    Re: TrumpCo. to build tent cities for kids separated from families

    ^ We know the photo was cropped, but the message isn't fake, nor is it bullshit.

    And please stop your snide, childish, mocking, insulting, slamming, baiting, trolling comments and posts. If you can't hold an adult conversation, you shouldn't be here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    ^ We know the photo was cropped, but the message isn't fake, nor is it bullshit.

    And please stop your snide, childish, mocking, insulting, slamming, baiting, trolling comments and posts. If you can't hold an adult conversation, you shouldn't be here.

    Amen, but. Do save your breath. You are speaking to an elite member of Trump's base.
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    Time also has added a correction to an online article and gallery that ran Tuesday, before the cover was released:

    “The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she [was] taken from the scene. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together.”
    So the picture is faked AND so was the original story. The only truth was that they are detained, as any illegal immigrant has always been and will continue to be so. Shame. You guys fall for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    So the picture is faked AND so was the original story. The only truth was that they are detained, as any illegal immigrant has always been and will continue to be so. Shame. You guys fall for anything.
    Doesn't make what his administration is doing any less gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    So the picture is faked AND so was the original story. The only truth was that they are detained, as any illegal immigrant has always been and will continue to be so. Shame. You guys fall for anything.
    There's nothing faked about the picture. It's a picture of a very confused and frightened little girl who doesn't understand what is happening to her or to her mother. That's a common theme through most of this, especially for the children who don't understand spanish or english: they're a situation that they can't comprehend or process.

    This disinformation campaign to recast this as "summer camp" isn't working. What was done over the past couple of months has exposed the awfulness of people who lack empathy and who are so ignorant of history that they don't realize the historical context of treating a group of people as less than human, separating them from families and putting them into interment camps.

    The world just shifted under the feet of the Trump Administration. And they know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willhunt View Post
    …. You are speaking to an elite member of Trump's base.



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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    The Washington Post.
    Bwaa has has haaa!!!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...r-father-says/
    Your president is throwing children in cages and separating families and your best deflection is some website used the wrong photo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    ^ Why doesn't your link work? Why doesn't anything show up when I point at it?
    Because, for some reason, he typed in the part of his post that had the link. Why?

    I'LL ADD TWO EXTRA Q's SO THAT THE TEXT DOESN'T CONVERT TO ANYTHING. Take the Q's out and that's what he typed. The daily notifications actually come via TEXT only, so they show what was actually typed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Because, for some reason, he typed in the part of his post that had the link. Why?

    I'LL ADD TWO EXTRA Q's SO THAT THE TEXT DOESN'T CONVERT TO ANYTHING. Take the Q's out and that's what he typed. The daily notifications actually come via TEXT only, so they show what was actually typed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    So the picture is faked AND so was the original story. Shame. You guys fall for anything.
    That is simply not true, Mikey. It was only true when Trump made it true, when he started prosecuting illegals criminally (using a non-existent law and blamed it on the Dems which his supporters, including you, gobbled up) instead of civilly where the families could stay together. And, in case you haven't noticed, he took it back. You are the one who falls for anything.

    By the way, the photo was a compilation of real elements. It was not 'fake'. There is an enormous difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraBulut View Post
    There's nothing faked about the picture. It's a picture of a very confused and frightened little girl who doesn't understand what is happening to her or to her mother. That's a common theme through most of this, especially for the children who don't understand spanish or english: they're a situation that they can't comprehend or process.

    This disinformation campaign to recast this as "summer camp" isn't working. What was done over the past couple of months has exposed the awfulness of people who lack empathy and who are so ignorant of history that they don't realize the historical context of treating a group of people as less than human, separating them from families and putting them into interment camps.

    The world just shifted under the feet of the Trump Administration. And they know it.
    So the woman kidnaps her daughter without her hubby's consent, flees and enters another country illegally. Do you not think that illegal immigrants should not be detained at the border? Should they just be given free entry? Honestly, what do you think?
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    ^ So, they should punish thousands and thousands of refugee parents and children because of one individual?
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    What? One individual? It's the thousands and thousands that you speak of. How about those unaccompanied minors? Those kids literally get abandoned at the border by their parent(s) knowing perfectly well that the U.S. will not immediately deport children. It's the parents that are separating families, not the U.S. government. We do the same in Canada.

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    In the past year, Canada has seen bursts of U.S.-based immigrants crossing illegally into Canada, mostly into the Quebec province that borders New York and other northeastern U.S. states.

    In August, Royal Canadian Mounted Police caught more than 5,500 people trying to illegally cross from the U.S. Those were mostly Haitian immigrants who will soon lose Temporary Protected Status as part of the Trump administration's phase-out of the TPS program that has protected more than 300,000 people from countries struck by war and natural disasters.

    Only about 8% of their asylum application have been approved, however, meaning the vast majority have been turned down and are being deported straight back to their home countries.

    Original source link: Canada warns immigrants in U.S. about heading north of the border (USA Today; June 8, 2018)
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    So the woman kidnaps her daughter without her hubby's consent, flees and enters another country illegally. Do you not think that illegal immigrants should not be detained at the border? Should they just be given free entry? Honestly, what do you think?
    I've been to several of the countries in question. I think we need to work on helping develop those countries so that there are jobs and security. Unless you've been to those countries, you have no idea of why they're coming here. It's a matter of life or death for many of them.

    Unless you know someone who has been through the legal immigration system, you will also have no concept of what a ridiculous process it is. It generally takes 10 years and can cost upwards of $20K. These are people who can't wait 10 years and who don't have the kind of money it takes to go through the process. That also needs to be fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraBulut View Post
    I've been to several of the countries in question. I think we need to work on helping develop those countries so that there are jobs and security. Unless you've been to those countries, you have no idea of why they're coming here. It's a matter of life or death for many of them.

    Unless you know someone who has been through the legal immigration system, you will also have no concept of what a ridiculous process it is. It generally takes 10 years and can cost upwards of $20K. These are people who can't wait 10 years and who don't have the kind of money it takes to go through the process. That also needs to be fixed.
    My family came to Canada as refugees to escape the Holodomor in Ukraine, So we know what it's like. Most who immigrated to North America were escaping something for a better life, I get it, I do. But there has to be structure to the immigration, you just can't open the borders. If a country doesn't defend it's borders, then it is no longer a country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    My family came to Canada as refugees to escape the Holodomor in Ukraine, So we know what it's like. Most who immigrated to North America were escaping something for a better life, I get it, I do. But there has to be structure to the immigration, you just can't open the borders. If a country doesn't defend it's borders, then it is no longer a country.
    Yeah, then it's just a piece of land, which is what it was before men with guns came and bloodied up the landscape to turn it into a country. You say you get it then in the next breath talk about immigration like it's a roach infestation

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    My family came to Canada as refugees to escape the Holodomor in Ukraine, So we know what it's like. Most who immigrated to North America were escaping something for a better life, I get it, I do. But there has to be structure to the immigration, you just can't open the borders. If a country doesn't defend it's borders, then it is no longer a country.
    Do you know whether they came legally? How many years and how much money did they have to spend getting citizenship? Chances are that they came and the Canadians took them in and provided a easy path to citizenship. During this period, the US was slow-walking immigrants from Russia and Eastern Europe (particularly Jewish refugees), so many of them went to Canada. And more than a few of them crossed over the Canadian-US border later.

    This isn't only about a better life for some of the immigrants from Central America. The drug cartels work by getting teenage boys addicted to drugs and then exploiting their addiction to get them to work for the gangs that provide the labor for the cartels.

    Paying Attention to Central America’s Drug Trafficking Crisis [Brookings]
    Never a sedate place, Central America has seen a massive deterioration of its crime indicators in the recent past. In the past decade, homicide rates have gone up in every country in the region, in some cases dramatically. The northern half of the Isthmus, comprising Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, is now the most violent region in the world outside of active war zones. In 2009, Guatemala and Honduras had, each of them, more murders than the 27 countries of the European Union combined. Even in the safer southern half of the region, crime figures have taken a turn for the worse, with homicide rates increasing sharply in Costa Rica (63%) and Panama (140%) in the past 5 years, according to official sources.

    There is hardly any doubt that the narcotics trade is behind the trend. Approximately 40% of the total number of murders are directly connected to drug trafficking in Guatemala, where, according to some estimates, more than one-third of the territory (particularly the unforgiving forests of Petén in the north) is under effective control of criminal organizations. The narcotics maelstrom engulfing the region cannot be underestimated. According to United Nations figures, cocaine seizures in Central America have grown six-fold in the past decade. Remarkably, since 2007, countries in the Isthmus have confiscated more than 3 times as much cocaine as confiscated in Mexico – about 100 metric tons per year.
    The stereotype that got promulgated by Trump and his followers is the Mexican stereotype- that these are low-skilled workers coming to the US to take low-paying jobs (those low-paying jobs that Americans want ).

    The "other than Mexicans" (OTMs) that have been coming to the border from Central America is a different group- OTMs are in a situation where they stay and lose their children to drugs and crime or they pack everyone up, trek hundreds of miles in blazing heat to get to the US border and when they arrive, they are asking for asylum in the US.
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    What? One individual? It's the thousands and thousands that you speak of. How about those unaccompanied minors? Those kids literally get abandoned at the border by their parent(s) knowing perfectly well that the U.S. will not immediately deport children. It's the parents that are separating families, not the U.S. government.
    Catch up Mikey, Trump just signed an e.o. to halt what you just said the govt isn't doing. Facts don't hurt, I promise.

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    The stereotype that got promulgated by Trump and his followers is the Mexican stereotype- that these are low-skilled workers coming to the US to take low-paying jobs (those low-paying jobs that Americans want ).
    'Eye roll' indeed, since they are the people he brings in from Mexico to work at Mar-a-Lago and probably his resorts and hotels as well. Lots of people in Florida would love to get a job at Mar-a-Lago, but Trump won't pay the wages they should get. It takes a genuine hypocrite to claim that Mexicans come to the US to take jobs away when Mexicans are virtually the only people he hires to work at his weekend home. Only 1 American worked at Mar-a-Lago last year when we had a discussion about it here.
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    'Eye roll' indeed, since they are the people he brings in from Mexico to work at Mar-a-Lago and probably his resorts and hotels as well. Lots of people in Florida would love to get a job at Mar-a-Lago, but Trump won't pay the wages they should get. It takes a genuine hypocrite to claim that Mexicans come to the US to take jobs away when Mexicans are virtually the only people he hires to work at his weekend home. Only 1 American worked at Mar-a-Lago last year when we had a discussion about it here.
    That story (and the story about all the pregnant Russian women renting apartments in Trump properties) somehow is not on the radar for Trump's anti-immigration supporters.

    For the record:
    Trump wins visas to hire 70 foreign workers at Mar-a-Lago [The Hill]
    The Trump Organization has won the permission to hire 70 foreign workers to serve as maids, cooks and servers for the 2017-2018 tourist season, according to data from the U.S. Labor Department.

    The Palm Beach Post reported Friday that Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Fla., won the permission after first applying for the H-2B* visas in July. The request was originally filed during Trump's "Made In America" week at the White House.
    *H2B visas are low-skilled worker visas. When Trump came to office in 2017, he expanded the H2B visa program (the only visa program the Administration expanded).

    I wonder how many of those 70 employees would be able to come under a "merit-based" immigration system?

    3 Trump properties posted 144 openings for seasonal jobs. Only one went to a US worker. [Vox]
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    ^ I think 'The Hill' segment you cited is the same one I used last year. I didn't know he changed the visa program, though. And your final link shows that I wasn't wrong when I said 'probably' for his resorts and hotels.

    He certainly doesn't practice what he preaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraBulut View Post
    Isn't that who Trump is trying to keep out? Look what is happening to America? It's getting worse too, and by following the immigration rules, he can keep out the gangs. Look at how many MS13 members have already been rounded up.

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    Isn't that who Trump is trying to keep out? Look what is happening to America? It's getting worse too, and by following the immigration rules, he can keep out the gangs. Look at how many MS13 members have already been rounded up.
    That's a wide net and a vast majority of the people detained are not gang members, just an FYI every hispanic immigrant is NOT a gang member.

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    Look at how many MS13 members have already been rounded up.
    Looks like about a dozen individuals per year that enter the US as unaccompanied alien children are suspected or confirmed to be affiliated with MS-13.

    Of the approximately 5,000 individuals apprehended by [The U.S. Border Patrol] with confirmed or suspected gang affiliations since FY 2012 (FY 2012 began on October 1, 2011), 159 were [unaccompanied alien children]. Of those 159, approximately 56 [unaccompanied alien children] were suspected or confirmed to be affiliated with MS-13.

    Written testimony of CBP U.S. Border Patrol Acting Chief of Carla Provost for a Senate Committee on the Judiciary hearing titled “The MS-13 Problem: Investigating Gang Membership As Well As Its Nexus to Illegal Immigration, and Assessing Federal Efforts to End the Threat”
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    Isn't that who Trump is trying to keep out? Look what is happening to America? It's getting worse too, and by following the immigration rules, he can keep out the gangs. Look at how many MS13 members have already been rounded up.
    As a general rule, most of what Trump says on the subject of immigration is either a warping of the truth or a flat out lie.

    MS13 is a gang that started in Los Angeles in the 1980s. It spread to Central America as the gang setup drug and human smuggling operations into the US. Over the past 40 years, what started as a street gang of Central American immigrants has turned into a big operation like the Mafia. No one talked about shutting down immigration from Sicily and Italy because the mafia was Italian-American families. Italians weren't immigrating to the US to join the Mafia; OTMs aren't coming to the US to join Latino gangs.

    The OTM immigrants who are coming here are trying get their families away from gangs like MS13. Trump (and Fox News) are trying to use the immigration issue to fire up their base and they're using MS13 (which most Americans have never heard of) to portray immigrants as gang members, rapists, criminals, etc.

    The fact that the people coming to the border have children with them should be a clue that they're not gang members. The fact that teenagers are being sent alone by their families to the US is also an indicator that they're desperate to get their kids out of the situation in Central America. If you read some of the stories from law enforcement, the Central American gangs are the people doing the human trafficking and they're the ones who are abusing the citizens of these countries- the very citizens who are fleeing the US in hopes of getting away from the gangs.
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    Here's a little more background on MS13 FYI:

    https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgen...ck-Our-Streets

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Here's a little more background on MS13 FYI:

    https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgen...ck-Our-Streets
    And a little more background on the Center for Immigration Studies (which is on the SLPC Hate Group List):
    Center for Immigration Studies

    Founded in 1985 by John Tanton, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) has gone on to become the go-to think tank for the anti-immigrant movement with its reports and staffers often cited by media and anti-immigrant politicians. CIS’s much-touted tagline is “low immigration, pro-immigrant,” but the organization has a decades-long history of circulating racist writers, while also associating with white nationalists.
    You'll get more accurate information from the FBI website. They have a pretty good analysis of the scope of what is a pretty disorganized crime ring and has no real connection to what is happening at the border and the mass interment and transport of immigrant children.
    MS-13 operates in at least 42 states and the District of Columbia and has about 6,000-10,000 members nationwide. Currently, the threat is highest in the western and northeastern parts of the country, which coincides with elevated Salvadoran immigrant populations in those areas. In the southeast and central regions, the current threat is moderate to low, but recently, we’ve seen an influx of MS-13 members into the southeast, causing an increase in violent crimes there.

    MS-13 members engage in a wide range of criminal activity, including drug distribution, murder, rape, prostitution, robbery, home invasions, immigration offenses, kidnapping, carjackings/auto thefts, and vandalism. Most of these crimes, you’ll notice, have one thing in common—they are exceedingly violent. And while most of the violence is directed toward other MS-13 members or rival street gangs, innocent citizens often get caught in the crossfire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraBulut View Post
    And a little more background on the Center for Immigration Studies (which is on the SLPC Hate Group List):
    I should have guessed. I should have Googled it myself.
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    http://www.mcclatchy-wires.com/incom...heck_82203.jpg

    All I can say is thank goodness, something is finally being done to improve conditions in the concentration camps currently housed inside abandoned Walmarts.

    I don't think any of us thought that the US would end up at this point.

    I think the stories that parents have been told when their kids are separated from them that they are just being taken to have a shower is beyond cruel and morally bankrupt.

    I can't even begin to imagine the permanent psychological damage that Trump's policy of tearing children away from their parents is inflicting on many of these very young children.

    I can't even believe that in good conscience, I am applauding the notion that a tent city concentration camp is a better thing to do then what is being done right now.

    I somehow think that this is how the good, compliant citizens of the US and Canada went along with camps for Japanese citizens in WWII....or how the good people of Germany and Europe were lulled into accepting the concentration camps for Jews, gypsies and homosexuals.

    http://amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...mpression=true
    For God's sake man, if I commit a crime with my kids, they'll be taken away, too. You do realize 4 times as many Mexicans send their children over BY THEMSELVES?

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    Quote Originally Posted by novastar View Post
    For God's sake man, if I commit a crime with my kids, they'll be taken away, too. You do realize 4 times as many Mexicans send their children over BY THEMSELVES?
    PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

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    PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

    No genius when you get convicted you go to jail, your kids don't get put in cages as punishment.
    You forgot to mention that crossing the border is a misdemeanor and even in a crazy place like Texas, they don't ship people's kids to jails in New York and Florida over their parents' misdemeanor charge.

    Oh- and if they're seeking asylum, it's not even a misdemeanor. The US is a signatory to the Geneva Convention which details how asylum seekers are handled. It's why the US takes in Christian refugees seeking asylum from places like Syria and Iraq (without putting their kids in jail).

    Speaking of Texas....

    Immigrant toddlers ordered to appear in court alone [Texas Tribune]
    As the White House faces court orders to reunite families separated at the border, immigrant children as young as 3 years old are being ordered into court for their own deportation proceedings, according to attorneys in Texas, California and Washington, D.C.
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    The US is a signatory to the Geneva Convention which details how asylum seekers are handled.
    You mean Trump hasn't withdrawn from that yet?

    Joking aside, though, why should he honour anything like the Geneva Convention when he won't even honour his own Constitution? Is there a chapter in 'The Art of the Deal' entitled 'Deals are Made to be Broken'?
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