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    Are Americans less sane/balanced?

    In discussions about guns, there's always the claim that we don't dare arm people for self-defense because someone MIGHT pop off and start shooting people, and/or that the sight of guns will make people panic so they can't think straight. But these make me think of this:



    or this:



    or this:



    or similar ones from Switzerland, with people carrying actual military rifles in public.

    Plainly, in these countries people carry real military weapons -- not "military-like", but true assault rifles -- in public and people dn't freak out, they don't "pop off" and go on shooting rampages.

    So why is it assumed that for the United States, allowing guns in public will cause mass hysteria and shut down people's cognitive abilities?
    (especially when state after state has adopted "shall-issue" concealed carry licenses and the much-predicted waves of violence never happen)

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    This is nuts.
    What if these people start shooting ?
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    In discussions about guns, there's always the claim that we don't dare arm people for self-defense because someone MIGHT pop off and start shooting people, and/or that the sight of guns will make people panic so they can't think straight.
    Hm. No.

    And no to the rest of it too, whatever you've managed to continue with.
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    I see the same old dogs and ponies have been trotted out.

    What a lovely fantasy. Every armed citizen/Minuteman/Frontiersman/insert fantasy persona here immediately blowing away the evil criminal in a concerted and professional display of firearms fury!!!!!

    GLORY!!!!!!

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    BTW I have NEVER seen someone hunting with an AR-15, ever. Unless it was hunting beer cans.
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Are Americns less sane/balanced? I'd say no, but since so many of us are armed, we do tend to make our point more violently.
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I see the same old dogs and ponies have been trotted out.

    What a lovely fantasy. Every armed citizen/Minuteman/Frontiersman/insert fantasy persona here immediately blowing away the evil criminal in a concerted and professional display of firearms fury!!!!!

    GLORY!!!!!!

    [Text: Removed]

    BTW I have NEVER seen someone hunting with an AR-15, ever. Unless it was hunting beer cans.
    Deception by misdirection. All you've done is reinforce the claim I asked about.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by ballcaphair View Post
    Are Americns less sane/balanced? I'd say no, but since so many of us are armed, we do tend to make our point more violently.
    But then why, since Israelis and the Swiss are even more armed, are Americans different?

    The way people talk here to oppose arming anyone, you'd think that in a place where people wear guns as in those pictures would be a slaughterhouse -- if it was in the U.S.A.

    Why do they think Americans are less sane?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Yes. Americans are evidently less sane and balanced and cannot be trusted with military grade assault weapons.

    America's history with thinking that every problem is solved at the point of a gun...of mass slaughter inflicted around the globe in wars of adventure and the systemic racism that saturates every level of government and civil society in the US should be ample grounds to determine that its citizens are apparently to immature and unstable to be allowed to amass a personal arsenal (which the Swiss are not permitted to do).

    All assault weapons should all be banned in the US.

    Canadians are sick and tired that 98% of all crimes committed here involve illegal firearms from the US.

    Just because the neighbours living downstairs refuse to exercise responsible gun and ammunition control and allow their country and government to be owned by the munitions industry, doesn't mean that we should should also have to be at the mercy of small dicked gundamentalists and ammosexuals.

    Enough.

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    These are pics of a 'Gun Commitment Ceremony' in the US.

    No. Americans are not stable when it comes to guns.





    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...wFBESQ&slide=8

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    These are pics of a 'Gun Commitment Ceremony' in the US.

    No. Americans are not stable when it comes to guns.

    [IMG]https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-925473128-1519851352.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980: *[/IMG]

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    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...wFBESQ&slide=8
    OMG,
    guns ceremony ? .... its a cult cult cult with guns.
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    In some ways yes. No country is perfect.

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    These are pics of a 'Gun Commitment Ceremony' in the US.

    No. Americans are not stable when it comes to guns.

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...wFBESQ&slide=8
    It would seem to me that this is a form of idolatry.
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    ^ Watch this. Recognise the name?



    Here's another:



    EDIT: Who needs the Constitution when God already gave them the right?
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Yes. Americans are evidently less sane and balanced and cannot be trusted with military grade assault weapons.

    America's history with thinking that every problem is solved at the point of a gun...of mass slaughter inflicted around the globe in wars of adventure and the systemic racism that saturates every level of government and civil society in the US should be ample grounds to determine that its citizens are apparently to immature and unstable to be allowed to amass a personal arsenal (which the Swiss are not permitted to do).

    All assault weapons should all be banned in the US.

    Canadians are sick and tired that 98% of all crimes committed here involve illegal firearms from the US.

    Just because the neighbours living downstairs refuse to exercise responsible gun and ammunition control and allow their country and government to be owned by the munitions industry, doesn't mean that we should should also have to be at the mercy of small dicked gundamentalists and ammosexuals.

    Enough.
    I think Americans have just grown accustomed to not having any discipline in their lives.

    Of course juvenile taunts like "small dicked" and terms like "gundamentalists and ammosexuals" only make matters worse, since that's stopping to [Text: Removed] level of things.

    But I believe that those [Text: Removed] types and everyone else could benefit from Swiss-style discipline with truly potent weapons: enroll their owners in an organized militia and have the weapons stored in a militia armory controlled by the county/parish, available to be checked out for hunting, varmint reduction, competitions, or just plinking, but not sitting around the house where others can break in and take them It's past time for Congress to make use of the authority the Constitution gives them to establish organization and discipline.

    Funding and building all those militia armories would be a good economic boost, come to think of it.

    And then make it a felony to own one but not have it stored in the local armory.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I think Americans have just grown accustomed to not having any discipline in their lives.
    There's already an organized militia that requires a weapon registry and ammo accountability and you may sign up for it any time you like.

    For the Swiss, there is no ammo at home for said militia. If only we could dream so high for plebeian responsibility!

    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/soldier...ot-ammo/970614
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    These are pics of a 'Gun Commitment Ceremony' in the US.

    No. Americans are not stable when it comes to guns.

    [IMG]https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-925473128-1519851352.jpg?crop=1xw:1xh;center,top&resize=980: *[/IMG]

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    https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...wFBESQ&slide=8
    Those people aren't stable in the first place -- they're an offshoot of Sun Yung Moon's cult begun by Moon's son whom his father's cult didn't consider suitable to run the cult.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    There's already an organized militia that requires a weapon registery and ammo accountability and you may sign up for it any time you like.
    Actually, there isn't. The National Guard is a semi-militia creature.

    But you're missing the point -- everyone in the U.S. who owns a gun is already part of the armed militia; they don't have a choice -- they joined by buying a gun. And Congress needs to exercise the plain authority in the Constitution to make that militia adhere to some organization and discipline. Constitutionally it would be a slam-dunk.

    And it could be pitched to the loudest mouths supporting the Second Amendment as a return to the Paul Revere days.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    ^ Watch this. Recognise the name?

    [video=youtube;-4WX2xOQYRo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4WX2xOQYRo[/video]

    Here's another:

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    The real stupidity in there is the schools that cancelled classes. Whoever decided that should lose their educational credentials.

    They're right, BTW, about God giving them the right -- that's the position of those who ratified the Bill of Rights, who understood that rights are "endowed by their Creator".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post

    BTW I have NEVER seen someone hunting with an AR-15, ever. Unless it was hunting beer cans.
    Or they're hunting school children, or theatre goers, or open air concerts, or bible studies, or church on Sunday morning, or just people anywhere in general.




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    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    For the Swiss, there is no ammo at home for said militia. If only we could dream so high for plebeian responsibility!

    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/soldier...ot-ammo/970614
    If they're really lucky,this won't increase crime.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    BTW I have NEVER seen someone hunting with an AR-15, ever. Unless it was hunting beer cans.
    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Or they're hunting school children, or theatre goers, or open air concerts, or bible studies, or church on Sunday morning, or just people anywhere in general.
    They're common for those hunting wild hogs, which have a habit of running in packs. And I've seen them in use for deer since about '96, ones just like this:



    They're also great for moles and other varmints.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    The real stupidity in there is the schools that cancelled classes. Whoever decided that should lose their educational credentials.

    They're right, BTW, about God giving them the right -- that's the position of those who ratified the Bill of Rights, who understood that rights are "endowed by their Creator".
    So apparently is the right to own slaves and a whole bunch of other nonsense.

    But so called 'God Given' rights are restrained all the time for the good of society.

    Ridiculous argument.

    Just ban the fucking assault weapons already and have some sensible gun laws. It isn't that difficult.

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    And Now...This:

    https://wokesloth.com/safe-gun-owner...ustice/mariam/

    No Americans cannot be trusted with bang bang sticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    And Now...This:

    https://wokesloth.com/safe-gun-owner...ustice/mariam/

    No Americans cannot be trusted with bang bang sticks.
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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

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    This shit won't work with me.

    You wanted to know if Americans are less sane and balanced when it comes to guns.

    Evidence says yes.


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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

    The problem in the US has developed over the last four decades or so. Gun ownership has morphed from owning a practical and appropriate tool for specific purposes when required, to a "God-given right" that has become a virtual worship. The pics above demonstrate that the gun itself has become a God to many owners.

    This new belief system is funded and exploited by the NRA, who has also morphed from an ethical, supportive, educational and practical organisation, to a money hungry, unethical behemoth, governed by greed and a corporate ethos.

    Funding for gun studies is strangled. Data about gun purchases is locked to antiquated paper systems instead of being digitised. These things aren't accidents. The NRA buys politicians who prevent reasonable analysis of facts. There is no longer any logic in the US gun debate. It's a black and white, all or nothing discussion. If you try and restrict guns in any, tiny way, you are deemed to be anti-second amendment, and trying to "take all the guns". The NRA have engineered the debate this way.

    It's not rocket science. More guns equals more gun deaths. It's true in the US from state to state. It's true when you compare country to country. Many countries have solved their gun crime issues by tightly restricting gun ownership. The US has the most unrestrictive gun laws in the developed world, and the highest level of gun ownership in the world. And the most gun deaths by far.

    Human beings are messy, emotional, inconsistent beings. Sometimes they do stupid things, or bad things, or crazy things, or they get depressed and hurt themselves, or others. When they have easy access to a lethal weapon, they do more damage than if they only had access to a less lethal weapon. Duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    The problem in the US has developed over the last four decades or so. Gun ownership has morphed from owning a practical and appropriate tool for specific purposes when required, to a "God-given right" that has become a virtual worship. The pics above demonstrate that the gun itself has become a God to many owners.
    And how un-Christian is that, eh? This administration is completely rewriting the Ten Commandments. There are very few of them that aren't broken regularly.

    I hear they are fond of the Bible lesson, "Go forth and multiply your bank accounts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by andysayshi View Post
    It's not rocket science. More guns equals more gun deaths.
    The facts on the ground say otherwise: over the last twenty years the number of gun deaths has been dropping while the number of guns in the country has increased by many millions.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Are Americns less sane/balanced?

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    The facts on the ground say otherwise:
    Please supply them (from a reputable source).
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    … why is it assumed that for the United States, allowing guns in public will cause mass hysteria and shut down people's cognitive abilities?
    How do you know it is assumed? Who is doing the assuming?


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    … state after state has adopted "shall-issue" concealed carry licenses …
    What does the term “‘shall-issue’ concealed carry licenses” mean? How is it significant and how does it relate to the question of sanity or balance?


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    Why do they think Americans are less sane?
    Who is “they?”


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    … everyone in the U.S. who owns a gun is already part of the armed militia
    Please define and explain your use of the term “armed militia.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I have NEVER seen someone hunting with an AR-15, ever. Unless it was hunting beer cans.
    How does this thing you have never seen relate to the question of sanity or balance?
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    Please define and explain your use of the term “armed militia.”
    I've asked that question a number of time and all I get in response is the Second Amendment.
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    How does this thing you have never seen relate to the question of sanity or balance?
    You know perfectly well why I said that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    I've asked that question a number of time and all I get in response is the Second Amendment.
    The definition the ammosexuals use is that we are all "militia" for the purposes of gun ownership of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    I've asked that question a number of time and all I get in response is the Second Amendment.
    I would also note that the 2nd refers to a 'well regulated militia' ie:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    If the US would just define 'a well regulated militia', it would clear a lot of nonsense up.

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    I keep telling people we need an assault rifle to ASSAULT people, and a militia is the population of the United States (the white part).


    Of course the silliness of this whole argument is that there is no Constitutional impediment to regulating guns. We already do that.
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    You know perfectly well why I said that.
    Have you ever seen anyone hunting with any rifle for anything other than bottles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    this:

    or this:

    or this:

    Plainly, in these countries people carry real military weapons -- not "military-like", but true assault rifles -- in public and people dn't freak out …
    Maybe that’s because the people on that beach in Tel Aviv recognize that the lady with the “actual military rifle” is a member of the Israeli Defense Forces as are the other folks whose pics you shared in the opening post.


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    Have you ever seen anyone hunting with any rifle for anything other than bottles?
    Besides general target shooting or mass murders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Maybe that’s because the people on that beach in Tel Aviv recognize that the lady with the “actual military rifle” is a member of the Israeli Defense Forces as are the other folks whose pics you shared in the opening post.


    Thanks for clearing this up.

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    Re: Are Americans less sane/balanced?

    yeah at least part of the country is---they believe the Bible the way they interpret it literally same with constitution---they need old documents to run their lives ---but of course America is made up of many states mostly blue ones where common sense . Like I need to see citizens with semi-automatics on the subway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    … the number of guns in the country has increased by many millions.
    I suspect many/most of those millions are stockpiled in private reserves and not currently in circulation. (A lot like mint coins.)
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    I would also note that the 2nd refers to a 'well regulated militia'
    The right to own or otherwise possess a gun in the US is not dependent upon the status of the militia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Have you ever seen anyone hunting with any rifle for anything other than bottles?
    You realize I grew up in the country in Texas. I got me my first gun at 12, when my Daddy put a lever action Winchester .22 rifle (just like the Rifleman) in my hands. I done shot me one of everythin' from bottles to boars.

    I even shot me a cow once - don't tell my Uncle Jed.

    Seriously, we were armed young in a hunting culture, and just like life, some people were responsible, some should not be allowed within 100 feet of a firearm, most are somewhere in-between.

    Curiously this didn't seem to have any relationship to people who had professional "training" (like vets) or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    Please supply them (from a reputable source).
    You've got to be kidding. Have you really paid so little attention as to not know that the number of gun deaths has been dropping while the number of guns in the country has increased by many millions?

    Try the FBI and the BATFE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    How do you know it is assumed? Who is doing the assuming?
    It's assumed by the media and many liberals every time a new law allowing citizens to exercise their rights with guns is proposed, and it is only assumed because none of their dire forecasts have ever happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    What does the term “‘shall-issue’ concealed carry licenses” mean? How is it significant and how does it relate to the question of sanity or balance?
    "Shall issue" means that when a non-felon applies for a concealed carry license, the government has to issue it.

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    Who is “they?”
    It was defined in my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Please define and explain your use of the term “armed militia.”
    That portion of the militia which is armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    I've asked that question a number of time and all I get in response is the Second Amendment.
    Give citations or admit you just posted a pair of falsehoods.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I would also note that the 2nd refers to a 'well regulated militia' ie:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    If the US would just define 'a well regulated militia', it would clear a lot of nonsense up.
    It has defined it; it means trained and effective, or as SCOTUS put it most recently, "Finally, the adjective “well-regulated” implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."

    In Article I Section 8 Congress is given authority to make sure it is at least somewhat well-regulated by organizing and disciplining it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Maybe that’s because the people on that beach in Tel Aviv recognize that the lady with the “actual military rifle” is a member of the Israeli Defense Forces as are the other folks whose pics you shared in the opening post.


    But everyone in Israel does a stint in the defense forces, so those are just ordinary citizens who happen to be serving at the time.

    Plus it wasn't that long ago in the U.S. where seeing a couple of teenagers on bikes with rifles over their shoulders was no big deal.

    So are Americans today less sane and balanced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    … those are just ordinary citizens who happen to be serving at the time.
    Is there a parallel between that circumstance in Israel and what you have termed “the armed militia” here in America?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
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    Who is “they?”
    It was defined in my post.
    Is the following [amended] quote a correct interpretation?

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