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    Shes a rich douche bag WWE Christian cunt
    Lol---but saying she worked hard? lol---billions of people get up in the morning and work way harder and don't have a pot to piss in.
    If you know any wealthy HONEST people they will tell you---it's not only hard work---its being in the right place at the right time--and knowing people that creates wealth. If hard work were the answer we'd have billions of billionaires in the world.

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    Anyone reading who takes blood pressure or heart meds... you might need it right now. Just read that the leading finalist to Mitt Romney as Secretary of State under Donald Trump is Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon- Mobil. Yeah, drain the swamp... Trump instead is just putting in fat cats, ideologues, political campaign contributors, and a failed Establishment Labor Secretary(Elaine Chao, who did such a mediocre job as George W Bush's Labor Secretary... but her husband Senator Mitch Mc Connell of Kentucky I happy)... Trump has more than a month to inauguration yet he is sowing the seeds of a monumental disaster and I wish so much I may be wrong. I just don't have a good feeling at all about where we are headed.

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    actually thought he'd try to put a few Dems in there to bring the country together as he lost the election---fooled again
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    Anyone reading who takes blood pressure or heart meds... you might need it right now. Just read that the leading finalist to Mitt Romney as Secretary of State under Donald Trump is Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon- Mobil. Yeah, drain the swamp... Trump instead is just putting in fat cats, ideologues, political campaign contributors, and a failed Establishment Labor Secretary(Elaine Chao, who did such a mediocre job as George W Bush's Labor Secretary... but her husband Senator Mitch Mc Connell of Kentucky I happy)... Trump has more than a month to inauguration yet he is sowing the seeds of a monumental disaster and I wish so much I may be wrong. I just don't have a good feeling at all about where we are headed.
    During election Obama asked the repubs--specifically McConnell ---to speak with one voice against Russia hacking of the election--Graham and McCain were on board but McConnell head of the party---said no--not enough proof and took the trump line---his wife was rewarded with a job lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Anyone reading who takes blood pressure or heart meds... you might need it right now. Just read that the leading finalist to Mitt Romney as Secretary of State under Donald Trump is Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon- Mobil. Yeah, drain the swamp... Trump instead is just putting in fat cats, ideologues, political campaign contributors, and a failed Establishment Labor Secretary(Elaine Chao, who did such a mediocre job as George W Bush's Labor Secretary... but her husband Senator Mitch Mc Connell of Kentucky I happy)... Trump has more than a month to inauguration yet he is sowing the seeds of a monumental disaster and I wish so much I may be wrong. I just don't have a good feeling at all about where we are headed.
    Yeah, he's not draining the swamp, he's pumping in toxic waste.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    And for what it's worth, the number two man in the State Department will apparently be John Bolton, as Rex Tillerson has no experience in diplomacy at all. Negotiated some sweet deals with the Russian government for Exxon' Mobil, it seems... and the congresswoman from Washington set to take over at Interior wants to sell millions of acres of federal lands for energy, logging and mining interests. I hope Trump meets with protests from day 1... may he never have a day of peace for his Administration... he can't be allowed to crush what's left of the American spirit without a fight.

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    ^ Do you actually think that TrumpCo. will care about protests?

    If they stay true to form, they will just steamroll over everyone, hitting one thing after another with such violence and force that everyone will become numb...particularly if it comes with increased bottom line for the corporations where they've invested their savings and pensions.

    The idea of Bolton back in power is repugnant beyond imagining.

    But I do hope that as you say, the Trump administration never gets a single day's rest until they are voted out in four years.

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    So the news all this week is Trump's very public parade of candidates for his cabinet and staff to meet with Trump. I just did a spit take on hearing that Laura Ingram is being considered for Press Secretary. What do you think of the folks being considered so far and what this telling of about what Trump's White House will be like.
    We will have a Sec'y of Labor who is a fast food exec to whom minimum wage increase and worker rights are anathema. Education goes to a billionaire who has made it her life's work to dismantle public education in favor of Charter Schools, which also gut teachers' unions. Defence goes to Gen. "Mad Dog" Mattis, who thinks defence is for pussies, and prefers a more aggressive tact, spent a lifetime preparing for war...like, it's his whole raision d'etre, and now they can really have at it because there is no civilian leadership, except for, of course, for a TV producer. [Google Gen. "Mad Dog" Mattis and read some of his famous quotes]. The AG goes to a throwback bigot from the Jim Crow south. He will be more a prosecutor in chief. Arguably the worst possible AG for civil rights enforcement since the Civil War. John Bolton, who is considered a hawk among even xenophobic conservatives, is second chair at State. If this were a satirical movie or TV show, an SNL skit maybe...it would be laughable. But the cabinet picks are our new reality, and there is nothing funny here at all.

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    Paul said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” that he’s an “automatic no on Bolton.”
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...olton-to-state

    Proud of Rand Paul on this one. John Bolton is a likely candidate to cause World War 3. Disappointed in Trump for even considering him.
    Telling it like it is.

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    We will have a Sec'y of Labor who is a fast food exec to whom minimum wage increase and worker rights are anathema. Education goes to a billionaire who has made it her life's work to dismantle public education in favor of Charter Schools, which also gut teachers' unions. Defence goes to Gen. "Mad Dog" Mattis, who thinks defence is for pussies, and prefers a more aggressive tact, spent a lifetime preparing for war...like, it's his whole raision d'etre, and now they can really have at it because there is no civilian leadership, except for, of course, for a TV producer. [Google Gen. "Mad Dog" Mattis and read some of his famous quotes]. The AG goes to a throwback bigot from the Jim Crow south. He will be more a prosecutor in chief. Arguably the worst possible AG for civil rights enforcement since the Civil War. John Bolton, who is considered a hawk among even xenophobic conservatives, is second chair at State. If this were a satirical movie or TV show, an SNL skit maybe...it would be laughable. But the cabinet picks are our new reality, and there is nothing funny here at all.
    It is the most bizarre, insulting and frankly, dangerous assemblage of characters imaginable...outside of a Marvel comic book about a super villain madman intent on wrecking the world.

    Speaking of SNL

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0bd9c3dfd2ffc

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    ...Proud of Rand Paul on this one. John Bolton is a likely candidate to cause World War 3. Disappointed in Trump for even considering him.
    The conclusion is that these picks aren't actually coming from Trump. He's largely checked-out and is more interested in his bizarre obsession his "brand", Tweets and the fun of doing attention-getting campaign speeches. Pence is attending the daily security briefings and doing the transition tasks.

    It seems that not only do we have an irrational President-elect, it also seems that he's outsourced his duties to other people.

    These picks are coming from Pence's connections and big donors to the Republican party recommended by Priebus. They're largely right-wing megadonors or they're selections from a Rogues gallery of right-wing ideologues.

    This isn't going to end well for anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...olton-to-state

    Proud of Rand Paul on this one. John Bolton is a likely candidate to cause World War 3. Disappointed in Trump for even considering him.
    Rand Paul doesn't get to vote on whether or not Bolton gets a job at State again. Trump's not picking him for a position that needs Senate confirmation.

    I'm frankly more appalled that you think having a Secretary of State whose sole experience is being the CEO of Exxon, makes any sense at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MystikWizard View Post
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...olton-to-state

    Proud of Rand Paul on this one. John Bolton is a likely candidate to cause World War 3. Disappointed in Trump for even considering him.
    Yeah. I had no problem with Bolton at the U.N., where things are more a circus than anything anyway, but at State? No.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    So we're looking at a cabinet made up primarily of generals, vulture bankers, and big donors. It's like mid-twentieth century South America.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    At Education it's a misconception by some on the left that charter schools are all a horrible thing... they're not if they are wisely administered and supported, but there is a great disparity on standards and results. But they should complement, NOT replace public schools.... the performance of many poor public school systems should get challenged, and charter schools can provide a service.. they are not private, for profit endeavors nor should be. The thing about Betsy de Vos is she and her husband are right wing ideologues who support vouchers, or "school choice" that directs money to schools that are private or denominational/religious and really takes funds out of the public school system. Betsy de Vos has long advocated private schools... has never shown any interest in bettering the public school system, but undermining it. In her case, along with those on the "school choice" right, the kind of charters supported are dangerous because there is no rigorous standard of merit, of qualifications. Many charter schools do a remarkable job, but de Vos is the worst kind of representative for reform one can put up. Her kind of charters indoctrinate and proselytize, absolutely not the mission of public education. She's not bad because she promotes charters.... flexibility and adaptability can be a plus. She's dangerous because she aims to destroy meaningful public education. Donald Trump has unleashed every extremist element on the right in the hopes of a remade America.... an unrecognizable, mean spirited one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Rand Paul doesn't get to vote on whether or not Bolton gets a job at State again. Trump's not picking him for a position that needs Senate confirmation.
    Are you certain about that? Here is another article claiming he does.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...-bolton-232477

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    I'm frankly more appalled that you think having a Secretary of State whose sole experience is being the CEO of Exxon, makes any sense at all.
    I personally don't recall showing support anywhere for Rex Tillerson for that position, but at first glance, it would appear there is strategy behind the appointment in which they are attempting to use Tillerson's ties with Russia to defrost the relationship between the U.S. and Russia to gain their influence in dealing with the Middle East and North Korea.
    Telling it like it is.

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    At Education it's a misconception by some on the left that charter schools are all a horrible thing... they're not if they are wisely administered and supported, but there is a great disparity on standards and results.
    That's a bit broad. There's a lot of confusion between charter schools, magnet schools and vouchers. Most parents want their child to attend the best school possible, whether they are conservative, liberal or somewhere in the middle.

    Whether they are willing to pay for it is another question.

    Each of these things - magnet schools, charter schools and vouchers is ultimately controlled at the local level. It's states that have ultimate control on how each of these is implemented. And it is the states that are responsible for ensuring quality- particularly in charter schools where private (and often for-profit) entities exercise management and control. You're absolutely correct: some states haven't done a very good job of overseeing quality of education at charters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    The thing about Betsy de Vos is she and her husband are right wing ideologues who support vouchers, or "school choice" that directs money to schools that are private or denominational/religious and really takes funds out of the public school system.
    Bingo.

    Many of these advocates of vouchers are looking for a way to subsidize private and religious schools with public dollars.

    The line is already blurred, though. For example, Harmony Schools is a charter public school operator that is associated with Fetullah Gülen, a Turkish Muslim cleric who has been in the news a lot. The public is always surprised to learn that a Muslim cleric is a major operator of successful charter schools in the US.
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    Shes a rich douche bag WWE Christian cunt
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    Thanks, KaraBalut. My point is in seeing here in one post a criticism of Betsy de Vos is that she's for charter schools, which guts public education and destroys the teacher's union. Charter schools can be used for good or ill in regards to the public school system... I think having the kind of challenge it presents where there are many badly underperforming districts can be a value. Most are part of the public school system, but of course are run independently and there's a lot that can be said for the flexibility provided. That said, they aren't in themselves a magic bullet and the best way of improving public schools overall isn't providing funding for vouchers that are used by religious or private interests outside the public school system. Betsy de Vos has never shown in any capacity devotion to a strong public school system. Improving standards, pushing states to maintain certification and quality in all aspects of public education... whether magnet, charter, regular... one can be a strong proponent of accountability and a supporter of the incredible efforts made by so many teachers in really trying circumstances so much of the time. Betsy de Vos is an ideologue with an agenda that doesn't value public education... and Trump putting her at Education shows a great deal just how warped his concept of "making America great again" is... he doesn't get the things that actually make America great. A people who will have the opportunities to make the best of their lives.


    I read some of the info on Gulen... very interesting. On a positive note, despite his being persona non grata to Turkish President Erdogan(accused by Erdogan of being behind the coup attempt that nearly toppled his government a few months back)...there is much to like about his movement which eschews radicalism and has no ties nor is supportive of terrorism. At least his interpretation of Islam seeks to embrace the modern world while more fundamentalist branches of Islam promote schools that do their best to rail against modernity, especially secular and Western values. And his schools have been found, so far, not to be pressing a religious agenda. But religious concerns are not irrelevant... and we know Christian groups are trying to subvert the very notion of public education, like those supported by the De Vos family. I wonder though, if Trump or many others would, if they knew about Gulen and his charter schools, to point fingers and cast doubt on his intentions while demanding accommodation to much more traditionalist Christian oriented schools.

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    The Department of Education needs to be shaken up by his appointment. Many Americans believe our public schools are doing a poor job teaching what they should be teaching. They seem to have developed the mind set that their primary function is to teach children to be liberal democrats. Political correctness trumps all, and in recent years they have moved the extremes of teaching kids that if you are white you are racist and privileged. They are in effect teaching liberal racism, i.e. anti white racism. All mention of Christianity, even by students is forbidden; history, civics, democracy and economics are largely the story of white oppression; science is global dominated by global warming theory. It is hard for those not in schools to know to what extent the schools do these things; we learn just enough to be outraged.
    Unions by public employees should be forbidden. They are no more than price fixing conspiracies against the public, agitating against the taxpayers, and protecting teachers from accountability.
    NO ONE is against public education; that falsehood is just another way of insulating the current system from criticism and reform. What your hearing is criticism of the Department of Education. If you were to read the Constitution, nothing authorizes the Federal Government to meddle in or control education. It is a power reserved to the states. It is another way the Federal government has subverted our democracy; simply buying the power away from the local governments; promising federal money if thy surrender their democracy.

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    ^ Total bullshit.

    The scary thing is that it is likely the agenda.

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    I feel dumber for only reading a portion of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    I feel dumber for only reading a portion of that.
    So fucking stupid. But I guess that's how racists roll. Fixating on race as though it's the only thing taught in the classroom.
    It's this kind of extremism that led to schools being used as places of indoctrination in Afghanistan.
    People like Ben (and Bannon) start simply wanting to control what others think along their own extremist and racist mindset.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    The thing about Betsy de Vos is she and her husband are right wing ideologues who support vouchers, or "school choice" that directs money to schools that are private or denominational/religious and really takes funds out of the public school system.
    In most places -- I've never heard of an exception -- the amount of the voucher for a single student is actually less than the public school has available per student, so the departure of a vouchered student to a private school is a net gain in funds for the public school. So if a district isn't spending excessive amounts on administration and overhead, vouchers aren't a loss for the public schools at all.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ Total bullshit.

    The scary thing is that it is likely the agenda.
    It's not "total" bullshit. In Oregon a teacher got in serious trouble for mentioning that an earthquake knocked down the city walls of Jericho according to geologists and archaeologists, just because the city is spoken of in the Bible. The teacher didn't mention the Bible, just gave Jericho as one of several cities whose walls had been knocked down by earthquakes.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemizanin729 View Post
    Money her and her husband earned themselves.
    I've lost track of which "her" you guys are going on about.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    In the meantime a testing of students from many countries showed that US students are below average in math and only average in science and resding. http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/...g-flat-on-test
    Alas did not test to show our students are experts in political correctness, racism, white oppression and privilege and socialism.
    Clearly we need a fresh approach to education and Trumps appointment will bring one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    In the meantime a testing of students from many countries showed that US students are below average in math and only average in science and resding. http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/...g-flat-on-test
    Alas did not test to show our students are experts in political correctness, racism, white oppression and privilege and socialism.
    Clearly we need a fresh approach to education and Trumps appointment will bring one.
    Nothing at all to do with religious schools that do not follow a national curriculum or anti-science school boards that refuse to teach fundamentals like the theory of evolution, the big bang or an unbiased view of history.
    Teach half-witted nonsense and eventually it shows up in test scores.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    Nothing at all to do with religious schools that do not follow a national curriculum or anti-science school boards that refuse to teach fundamentals like the theory of evolution, the big bang or an unbiased view of history.
    Teach half-witted nonsense and eventually it shows up in test scores.
    Actually, that's a problem but it's not why the scores for the US are comparatively low.

    The comparisons between nations is based upon a study called PISA- the Programme for International School Assessment. The study pulls randomized test results of schools for 15 year old students in the various countries for reading, mathematics and science.

    Reading and science scores in the US have been steady and the US tends to test higher on reading compared to other nations (many of which have been slipping in the past decade).

    The US has always tested lower on math scores compared to other nations. Scores the US have risen since the 1990s but they've been flat or slightly declining in the past 5 years. The big issue has been what PISA tests: pure mathematics and applied mathematics. The test has a much higher emphasis on applied math. US students aren't good at applied math but we're really lackluster at pure math.

    Asian 15 year olds kick ass at pure math and applied math. Because they're drilled heavily on pure math at a much higher level, they're able make that leap into applied math problems much better than the US.

    People who are studying the issue in the US point to three things:
    1. The US waters down pure math concepts and we have always taught math at a lower level in public schools. Curriculum has always been left to states and localities with no public standard curriculum like in other countries (i.e. those countries that coincidentally test higher on math). Source
    2. Higher income kids who attend higher rated schools get more advanced math classes in high school. As such, the top performing 15 year olds in the US perform really well. The lower performing 15 years olds drag the scores down, though. Source
    3. The US doesn't hire the best and brightest teachers to teach math classes in junior high and high schools... and they don't pay them well, either. With starting salaries in the $40-50K range, it's hard for public schools to compete with large corporations for hiring mathematics majors to teach in our public schools. Source Source


    A few years ago, the Dept of Education and National Governors Association started promoting higher standards for math education as part of the Common Core standards. The Common Core standards are the subject of many school board meetings and parent protests. They're not very popular. The hope is by standardizing math education and teaching math concepts sooner and focusing on pure math earlier, the scores on PISA will begin to rise in the next decade.

    Since the putative candidate for Secretary of Education has no background in education, no background in mathematics and hasn't really done much outside promoting "school choice" (aka vouchers for religious schools), there's no evidence that she accomplish anything to improve education for the average public school student. She's not a proponent of Common Core, so it's not clear how her nomination would improve PISA math scores in the US. Ms Devos is the chair of the Republican Party in Michigan and the combination of her political donations and the view that she delivered the state of Michigan to Trump accounts for her nomination.
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    The professional educators have created the deficiency and aren't likely to solve it. Like all bureaucrats they will focus on their yearning for larger budgets and bigger salaries; plus their foolish focus on PC. It is easier to teach things the kids can get emotional about; racism, white privilege , global warming etc.

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    Nothing at all to do with religious schools that do not follow a national curriculum or anti-science school boards that refuse to teach fundamentals like the theory of evolution, the big bang or an unbiased view of history.
    Yes, in their world The Flintstones could be taught as a DOCUMENTARY. Because DINOSAURS...
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    It is ironic that the man who gave America Trump University gets to have any say in education.

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    Asian 15 year olds kick ass at pure math and applied math. Because they're drilled heavily on pure math at a much higher level, they're able make that leap into applied math problems much better than the US.
    Apart from Japan I am attempting to identify which Asian nation is able to demonstrate its successes in the high technology sector, that have not been introduced into their respective manufacturing sectors by Western corporations such as Apple.

    That Indians have for generations demonstrated a skill in accounting is not in dispute. That Chinese students have a well deserved reputation for coming top of their university class is not in dispute. Mathematical genius at school, and university level has not provided India, and China with a level of prosperity that we take for granted in The West.

    That American, and European high technology companies dominate is sufficient evidence that school, and university examination results are not the measure of a successful economy knowing that the United States, Germany, and the United Kingdom continue to attract the very best international students focused on developing their talents in a Western country.

    One needs to ask why so many Indian, and Chinese, and Korean mathematical geniuses continue to migrate to live in Western countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post

    Apart from Japan I am attempting to identify which Asian nation is able to demonstrate its successes in the high technology sector, that have not been introduced into their respective manufacturing sectors by Western corporations such as Apple.

    That Indians have for generations demonstrated a skill in accounting is not in dispute. That Chinese students have a well deserved reputation for coming top of their university class is not in dispute. Mathematical genius at school, and university level has not provided India, and China with a level of prosperity that we take for granted in The West.

    That American, and European high technology companies dominate is sufficient evidence that school, and university examination results are not the measure of a successful economy knowing that the United States, Germany, and the United Kingdom continue to attract the very best international students focused on developing their talents in a Western country.

    One needs to ask why so many Indian, and Chinese, and Korean mathematical geniuses continue to migrate to live in Western countries.
    Singapore and Hong Kong are both major financial centres and trade hubs, these are specialist services.
    South Korea and Taiwan are advanced industrial and high tech economies and the pearl river delta is the world's tech manufacturing hub. Chances are China's status as fast copier is now being replaced by innovator.
    This region has countries investing heavily in advanced industries like aerospace, automation and super computing.

    Having US education focus on religious education and petty revisionism aka white supremacy nonsense will eventually erode the country's standing.

    At current the USA's strength is in venture capital for high tech, and the quality of its best universities.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    ^I note that Singapore, and Hong Kong continue with their undoubted success..the result of wise investment during the days of empire, with international corporations the major players in those two statelets.

    I am rather certain that Boeing, and (European Union) Airbus are big sellers of their products to various Asian nations, with Iran now comitted to buying scores of American civil airliners to replace their obsolete fleet.

    South Korean, and Taiwanese washing machines, cars, and refrigerators sell well but they are not advanced technology. I am waiting for the "explosion" in Korean, and Taiwanese made high value products such as aircraft to burst onto the international market.

    I am also certain that Silicon Valley's innovative designs remain world leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    ...That Indians have for generations demonstrated a skill in accounting is not in dispute. That Chinese students have a well deserved reputation for coming top of their university class is not in dispute. Mathematical genius at school, and university level has not provided India, and China with a level of prosperity that we take for granted in The West.

    ...One needs to ask why so many Indian, and Chinese, and Korean mathematical geniuses continue to migrate to live in Western countries.
    This is a complex issue.

    It's true that Americans test lower but we have a reputation for being innovators, even if the manufacturing of those innovations are done in other countries.

    It's also true that many of the recent US innovations in technology originated in government-funded programs- either in academia or in the private sector.

    Anyone who has taught at the graduate level in the US in the past decade will tell you that there has been an explosion in the number of F-1 visa graduate students coming from China.

    Foreign students come to the US for graduate education because it is far superior to graduate education in their home country.

    Quite often, their home country underwrites their graduate education in the US. It used to be that the US encouraged those students to stay in the US and get H1B visas- that's changing.





    In 2016, there's about 1.18 million students in the US on F-1 visas. The chart below shows where those students were coming from in the 2014-2015 school year compared to earlier decades.

    In 1949, Canada had the most students coming to the US for education (~16% of the total - many of whom were from areas bordering the US. By the 1970s, Canada had slipped to 4th and Iran was in #1 position at about ~18% of total.
    Currently China has 31% of the total graduate students in the US. Most of those students will be taking their education and training back to China.

    What were they studying? See below.


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    Brookings: The Geography of Foreign Students in U.S. Higher Education: Origins and Destinations
    Migration Policy Institute: International Students in the United States
    Forbes: International Students Are 70% Of EE Grad Students In U.S.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig..._United_States

    The current US Secretary of Education has a J.D. and an Ed.D. He has a background in education, having worked in the field for 20 years, including past experience as a state education commissioner and as an undersecretary in the US Department of Education. Compare this background to the nominee who is replacing him.

    The title of this Detroit Free Press article says it all: Betsy DeVos and the twilight of public education.
    Unqualified
    DeVos isn’t an educator, or an education leader. She’s not an expert in pedagogy or curriculum or school governance. In fact, she has no relevant credentials or experience for a job setting standards and guiding dollars for the nation’s public schools.

    She is, in essence, a lobbyist — someone who has used her extraordinary wealth to influence the conversation about education reform, and to bend that conversation to her ideological convictions despite the dearth of evidence supporting them.

    For 20 years, the lobby her family bankrolls has propped up the billion-dollar charter school industry and insulated it from commonsense oversight, even as charter schools repeatedly failed to deliver on their promises to parents and children.
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    So it is official....Trump has picked the head of Exxon Mobil as the next Secretary of State.

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    So it is official....Trump has picked the head of Exxon Mobil as the next Secretary of State.
    I am not disappointed with this choice for there needs to be a reassessment of the USA/Russia relationship that will lower tensions, and possibly contribute to the ending of conflicts now raging in Syria, and elsewhere where Western, and Russian competing interests appear to be doing more harm than good when confronting Islamic States.

    An already well tried personal relationship that has lasted for some years will assist in rebuilding trust between the USA, and Russia.

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    This is a complex issue.

    It's true that Americans test lower but we have a reputation for being innovators, even if the manufacturing of those innovations are done in other countries.

    It's also true that many of the recent US innovations in technology originated in government-funded programs- either in academia or in the private sector.

    Anyone who has taught at the graduate level in the US in the past decade will tell you that there has been an explosion in the number of F-1 visa graduate students coming from China.

    Foreign students come to the US for graduate education because it is far superior to graduate education in their home country.

    We agree.

    My contention being that school examination results are not the measure of a successful nation's enterprise, nor of its ability to harness the skills of its citizens.

    I sing the praises of Samsung Industries, and LG industries while recognising the very real inhumane conditions that the peoples of India, and China, and Indonesia etc live under.

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    Is it really good to devote so much of our educational resourses to foreign students? Are they given slots and scholarships while American students are turned away? Educational professionals in the US tend to subscribe to the anti-American ideology that diversity and multiculturalism are more important than educating Americans. Foreign students are likely to be liberal, giving schools the opportunity to exclude US students likey to be conservative, just as they exclude conservatives from faculty.
    I hope the Trump administration and his nominee donot buy into the diversity-over-American ideology.

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    The Donald is now replacing Obama's head of the DOE, a Nuclear Physicist, with someone who couldn't even win Dancing with the Stars

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement...r_is_exploding

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    Donald Trump's nominee, Rick Perry, holds a a Bachelor of Science from Texas A&M University and famously during a presidential debate couldn't remember the name of the Dept. of Energy, but described it as a part of the federal government he would eliminate if elected president.

    Trump really is just trolling Americans at this point.

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    His cabinet is old rich white men from another generation. I think they all just want to get wealthier and dance on the edge of the end of the world and see how far they can take it. If something catastrophic happens they will just take their money and run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    ...I am rather certain that Boeing, and (European Union) Airbus are big sellers of their products to various Asian nations, with Iran now comitted to buying scores of American civil airliners to replace their obsolete fleet.

    South Korean, and Taiwanese washing machines, cars, and refrigerators sell well but they are not advanced technology. I am waiting for the "explosion" in Korean, and Taiwanese made high value products such as aircraft to burst onto the international market.

    I am also certain that Silicon Valley's innovative designs remain world leaders.
    South Korea and Taiwan are major semiconductor producers and display technology innovators. They're the ones producing the chipsets in the phones that have been displacing the laptops and desktops that use US manufactured chips.

    There's also regional jetliners, maglev trains, critical battery and energy storage technologies coming from that region using original research and technology.

    The USA still excels in software, but people who dismiss the ability of Asia to innovate are no different from those who didn't foresee the rise of Japan as a tech innovator.
    If the USA is complacent in terms of preparing its people to create the future, the USA's competitors are spending the effort now.

    Insular white supremacy and anti science teaching won't advance any economy.

    Pointing to Iran as being representative of Asia misses the point.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    His cabinet is old rich white men from another generation. I think they all just want to get wealthier and dance on the edge of the end of the world and see how far they can take it. If something catastrophic happens they will just take their money and run.
    You guys just voted for a woman who with her husband accumulated 150 million or so IN POLITICS but now you are worried that extremely wealthy businessmen are being appointed and they might make money from cabinet positions. What we know for certain is that Bill and Hillary would have looked for and found ways to profit from her position. These businessmen are used to workinging the full glare of disclosure to boards of directors, shareholders, SEC, DOJ, and dozens of other regulatory agencies. They are necessarily honest men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    You guys just voted for a woman who with her husband accumulated 150 million or so IN POLITICS but now you are worried that extremely wealthy businessmen are being appointed and they might make money from cabinet positions. What we know for certain is that Bill and Hillary would have looked for and found ways to profit from her position. These businessmen are used to workinging the full glare of disclosure to boards of directors, shareholders, SEC, DOJ, and dozens of other regulatory agencies. They are necessarily honest men.
    Not the same --Reagan got 1 million from a speech in Japan in 1988---you do the math in todays terms---one thing to make money writing books and making speeches ---supply and demand---market value. Trump's a financial octopus in the world with arms everywhere looking for money. The Clintons like all former successful important people can make millions after they leave office. They have only been rich for a handful of years compared to trumps wealth--it's a ridiculous comparison. If they cared about money they could have been millionaires back in 1979. And billionaires today like trump.

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    Trump's pro-business mindset, a big change from the anti-employer mindset of the democrat party is resulting in big dividends already. IBM's CEO, Ginni Rometty, a member of Trump's Strategic and Policy Forum, has announced that IBM will hire and train 25,000 employees in the next 4 years. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp...p-meeting.html
    Now of course, you will pretend not to be anti-business, but if you will scroll through this thread alone you will see your fellow democrats express horror that business people and successful people are being nominated to Cabinet level positions. Yours is the mindset that has dominated the federal government for too long.

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