Definition-Bending

[pat grimshaw]

I know some people think they can change meanings.

Hipsters and the artistic think they're above the rules of normal men but what is this new fashion I see in CE&P which says—

Irish people are 'not white'

Italian people are 'not white'

[xbuzzerx]

You took this directly from a CE&P discussion and if you felt like discussing it in the thread it came up in, you should have posted there.

[Rolyo85]

Cowards don't discuss. They snipe and run away

[pat grimshaw]

...you should have posted there.

Don't the intellectual elite want to share their ideas with the proletariat?

[Rolyo85]

No, we totes do. It's just that it's considered good manners to carry one conversation in one topic, not post each new reply in a new thread ^_^

[pat grimshaw]

They're saying these Irish people aren't white




The intellectual elite bend any meaning to meet their intellectual conceit

[Rolyo85]

Who's they? And where have "they" said that? Quotes, links and context or stfu and gtfo

[pat grimshaw]

Roly, you are the intellectual elite.

[xbuzzerx]

They're saying these Irish people aren't white




The intellectual elite bend any meaning to meet their intellectual conceit

No we aren't. We discussed the historical fact that Irish were classified as non-white officially and socially in American history, and you are presenting that point out of its context in direct response to that discussion, except you ran away to another forum to do it in a new thread and presented it in an intentionally context-omitted manner.

[Rolyo85]

Roly, you are the intellectual elite.

I know. And I'm quite comfortable with it ^_^

You, meanwhile, seem incapable of even sustaining your own troll attacks, let alone go beyond that. So I repeat - quotes, links and context or stfu and gtfo. I expect you'll pick option 2, as usual

[pat grimshaw]

....the historical fact that Irish were classified as non-white officially...

That's not a fact.

... Quotes, links ...

[xbuzzerx]

That's not a fact.

Yes it is, and the discussion from which you lifted this one point and ran away to troll with it in Hot Topics provided links discussing that historical context.

[pat grimshaw]

I know. And I'm quite comfortable with it ^_^ ...

I laughed at how you attacked Kayman

[Rolyo85]

You laugh when people get attacked? That's mean :/

[pat grimshaw]

Yes it is,...

Are the Bulgarians equally as non-white as the Irish and the Italians?

[Rolyo85]

I don't know. What do eugenics say on the subject?

[xbuzzerx]

Are the Bulgarians equally as non-white as the Irish and the Italians?

Go to CE&P and ask.

[pat grimshaw]

Yeah, just like Black people are 'not black'

Bustin. Artists and the intellectual elite don't follow other people's rules

[pat grimshaw]

I suppose the intellectual elite would judge the southern Italians to be more non-white than the Northern Italians.

[Rolyo85]

I suppose the intellectual elite would judge the southern Italians to be more non-white than the Northern Italians.

As someone who clearly doesn't belong to the intellectual elite, trying to make suppositions seems an exercise in futility, no?


I am LOVING how you're using the term "intellectual elite" as if it's an insult, and not an honor.

By the way, you are American, living in America. Just as an fyi

[pat grimshaw]

....I am LOVING how you're using the term "intellectual elite" as if it's an insult, and not an honor....

The Communist pigs considered themselves as the elite of the Communist Animal Farm.

[Rolyo85]

Whatever gets your prole pride aroused, Pat ^_^ Hate on those librul elites, keep posting Republican speech, snide innuendos and cowardly attacks from the side. You do nothing but boost my ego

[pat grimshaw]

...You do nothing but boost my ego

Some pigs are 'more equal' than others.

[Vitamin]

I laughed at how you attacked Kayman

I laughed at how Roylo attacked you. Now go back to SeaWorld, Flipper, this topic is clearly not for your kind.

[Rolyo85]

Some pigs are 'more equal' than others.

Your ability to misquote George Orwell is dazzling and totally proves all your points now, retroactively, and for the end of time!

[HunterM]

I can't believe this. Irish people are not white and Italians are not white??? Don't tell me Asians are not white either.

[pat grimshaw]

..this topic is clearly not for your kind.

Do you say Irish people and Italian people are not white, Vitamin.

[Rolyo85]

Do you say Irish people and Italian people are not white, Vitamin.

Does... anyone? I'm still waiting for my quotes and links here, sugarplum

[xbuzzerx]

Do you say Irish people and Italian people are not white, Vitamin.

The discussion was about 1920's American social attitudes which were virulently anti-immigrant, in particular against, but not limited to, the Irish and Italians. Irish were commonly referred to as "white negroes" during this time period.

You taking that discussion and running up here and saying "down in CE&P THEY SAY IRISH AREN'T WHITE!" is a failure of reading comprehension on such a magnitude that it's very obvious you're misrepresenting the discussion on purpose for your usual 60 IQ trolling attempts.

[blackbeltninja]

By the way, you are American, living in America. Just as an fyi

Actually, I believe Pat is a sheepshagger living out in Perth, WA.

-d-

[Rolyo85]

Actually, I believe Pat is a sheepshagger living out in Perth, WA.

-d-

I know the official version. I also know it doesn't match the other "Pat Grimshaws" found online, despite their very similar opinions, as well as his vocabulary on here, which is way too specific in its targets.

[rareboy]

You know Grimshaw.

Every time I read one of your threads and see how far stupid can go...I'm delighted to be part of the intellectual elite.

I'm not sure you know this, but at one time Irish Catholics, Ashkenazi Jews, Bulgarians, Sicilians and a host of other European and all non-aryan groups were actually not considered to be 'white' in North America. Or in Germany for some of them.

Surprised?

You shouldn't be.

If you even had half a clue or understood any history outside the shores of your own penal paradise, you'd understand that your skin colour isn't always what the Aryan Nation and their ancestors are judging 'whiteness' by.

[ravenstar]

I've got Irish heritage and I'm so white I glow in the bloody dark.

[ravenstar]

Actually, I believe Pat is a sheepshagger living out in Perth, WA.

-d-

Australian's don't shag sheep, that's Kiwi's

[xbuzzerx]

I've got Irish heritage and I'm so white I glow in the bloody dark.

Whiteness was never defined by skin tone alone in the U.S. At a time when whiteness was a requirement for naturalization, Japanese of pale complexion challenged the courts for inclusion into whiteness and were rejected on the basis that they weren't part of the "caucasian race." So East Indians challenged the courts for inclusion into whiteness since they are anthropologically caucasian, and were rejected on the basis of "you are not white in the ordinary everyday understanding of the term."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitene...ial_definition

Even among Europeans, those not considered white at some time in American history include Southern Europeans (Spaniards, Greeks, Italians etc.), Irish Catholics, Eastern Europeans and Germans.[19][20] Early on in the United States, white generally referred to those of British Isles or northwestern European descent.[21]

Whiteness required for all but former slaves to become naturalized citizens

U.S. rules that Asians cannot qualify for whiteness because they are not caucasian.

U.S. rules that East Indians while Caucasian are not "white in the ordinary sense" and their Aryan blood has been diluted through intermarriage.

Irish considered an inferior sub-white race because they were not Anglo Saxon and were of Celtic origin.

Irish and Africans Americans had lots in common and lots of contact during this period; they lived side by side and shared work spaces. In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as "Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish." A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks.

http://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

Now, Pat, when you have the first clue what you're talking about, we'll see you in CE&P.

[LilBit]

http://www.amazon.com/Imperial-Leath.../dp/0415908906

Read Chapter 6.

[bankside]

In Canada, Irish people were considered "foreigners" no matter how long they'd lived here. Italians were almost another species. There was a sharp curve to climb for people who felt like assimilating. But that's a hundred years ago.

[EuroSoccer]

Irish boys









Southern Italian boy (Sicilian)



Northern Italian boy

[Rolyo85]

Total amount of hair product and fake tan - over 9000!!!!!!

[pat grimshaw]

Total amount of hair product and fake tan - over 9000!!!!!!

Well he isn't white, is he?


This one is isn't white either.

[Rolyo85]

I will defer to your Aryan understanding of white, Pat. After all, you're the eugenics guy, you should know best.

[xbuzzerx]

Somebody trollen.

[rareboy]

Grimshaw. Face it.

Another Epic Fail thread.

Why are you so focussed on race anyway? At your age, I can't see as it should much matter any more.

I should have added that at times in the 20th century, it wasn't even a case of some European and western Asian peoples not considered 'white' enough.

They actually had 'scientists' who weren't even convinced they were human enough. With horrifying consequences.

[Rolyo85]

Oh, he knows all about those. He's a fan.

[ElmosToe]

You know you've hit rock bottom when yet another thread dealing with race delves into a debate on how white a white person should be to be considered white.









wtf.

[Rolyo85]

You know you've hit rock bottom when yet another thread dealing with race delves into a debate on how white a white person should be to be considered white.

wtf.

There's not even a debate really. Pat is just trying to project his own racism on others.

[bankside]

It is true however, that southern european / mediterranean people were not really considered white. They would have been set aside as "swarthy."