Obama Uses Deaths of 26 Children and Teachers to Promote His Agenda

[Jack Springer]

Obama is pushing his "fiscal cliff" agenda by using the deaths of 26 innocent people.

The man has no shame.

[Rolyo85]

No, YOU have no shame. Obama is absolutely right to say what he says there. I notice you haven't backed down from your other ridiculous claim that this video was him using Sandy Hook to try to raise taxes. There is NO mention here of the fiscal cliff or taxes. I see no reason not to assume he is talking about gun regulation.

Another Signature Jack Thread. Vague outrage all around.

[Rolyo85]

What's even more annoying is that I specifically asked you in the topic you originally posted this:

Where in your video does he talk about taxes?

And instead of answering, you repeated the lie in its OWN topic. Seriously, you have no shame.

[Harke the Boeotarch]

You'd never expect that kind of thing from any politician, no?

[JayHawk]

Amusing... quite amusing. Is there a position you would like to take on an issue Jack? I already knew you don't like Obama from your other ten thousand posts... I am pretty sure the forum rules require you to post not only a topic but expand on what that means to you and such... you appear to simply be complaining you don't like Obama....

[chrisrobin]

Amusing... quite amusing. Is there a position you would like to take on an issue Jack? I already knew you don't like Obama from your other ten thousand posts... I am pretty sure the forum rules require you to post not only a topic but expand on what that means to you and such... you appear to simply be complaining you don't like Obama....

Jack...

[justdra]

LOL, yall need to stop being suckers and responding to this child. He is only starting ridiculous threads to get people to respond. I spend half my time laughing at some of the idiotic things he pulls out his ass, and all of this because Obama won the election. You know he needs help so post some help lines for him instead of feeding into his lunacy. It has to be hard for him knowing Obama is in office for 4 more years and Jan will be very hard when his inauguration will be all over the tv, AGAIN.

[rareboy]

Seriously Springer?

Honest to God.

Have you no shame or self respect at all? Along with Mr. Rearden, your threads and posts have become a joke. I am beginning to think that you've just been made up by some liberal mastermind to give the rest of us some idle amusement.

Because no one could be doing this for real.

[Laufey]

All politicians take advantage of tragedies.

[chance1]

I mentioned this in the fiscal cliff thread

The implication is that he/the Dems understand that the tragedy/massacre should provide perspective

He's right - it should

Debating which side on the fiscal cliff convos is or isn't is partisan bullshit to the nth degree

Lame of him to do so

Lame of Boehner to go back at $1m

Guessing Obama was tres pissed at Plan B and can't blame him for that

This comment is not remotely reasonable

Unless your POV is default Obamallegiance

[Jack Springer]

I think Obama was talking about the importance of compromise, not his agenda.

He's right; it's going to take education and letting go to solve world problems.

JockBoy -- he doesn't want compromise. He wants his way -- his agenda.

[Jack Springer]

Amusing... quite amusing. Is there a position you would like to take on an issue Jack? I already knew you don't like Obama from your other ten thousand posts... I am pretty sure the forum rules require you to post not only a topic but expand on what that means to you and such... you appear to simply be complaining you don't like Obama....

I'm showing you that Obama will stop at nothing to try to get his way -- even using the pain of 26 deaths to try to pressure his way.

[eastofeden]

Because no one could be doing this for real.

Yes. They can. I understand. They are suffering from a version of turrets...a cousin perhaps...'political turrets'. There is no easy cure because blind hatred is the underlying cause.

I know because I had the same thing with Reagan...still do...Once upon a time...not too long ago...you could just mention Ronnie's name and I was good for a 20 minute minimum rant. Hell...when GW came along and pretty much everyone I knew got on the turrets bandwagon I felt left out because I just didn't have anything left...hating Reagan consumed me.

There is hope though for the Obama haters...just take a deep breath and have a good laugh at yourself. I feel your pain. Instead of trying to manufacture stuff I finally settled on calling Reagan Satan and that pretty much frees up my time. And I don't underestimate my hatred for the man....I really DO think he was Satan. But I also chuckle a bit after the thought crosses my mind and sometimes I even silently apologize to all of the people I held hostage with my Reagan rants. I also chuckle when I see these threads because I see myself. Even now...if the title read "Reagan Uses Deaths of 26 Children and Teachers to Promote His Agenda" I'm afraid I would at least halfway believe it and even come up with a reason why it was true. That is what blind hatred does to someone...you lose all rationale.

[Jack Springer]

Seriously Springer?

Honest to God.

Have you no shame or self respect at all? Along with Mr. Rearden, your threads and posts have become a joke. I am beginning to think that you've just been made up by some liberal mastermind to give the rest of us some idle amusement.

Because no one could be doing this for real.

The shame is all on Obama. His words are real. It's what he believes.

The sad joke is the continual support of Obama no matter what the man says or does. If this had been almost any other politician there would have been a loud uproar -- but because it's Obama .... you're upset with me because I pointed it out to you.

[maxpowr9]

All politicians do this sort of thing so to point out that one party does and the other doesn't is just stupid and misleading.

[White Eagle]

Seriously Springer?

Honest to God.

Have you no shame or self respect at all? Along with Mr. Rearden, your threads and posts have become a joke. I am beginning to think that you've just been made up by some liberal mastermind to give the rest of us some idle amusement.

Because no one could be doing this for real.

Once this crossed my mind. I figured some mod here was making the jubber up to get our minds off another subject. If it were true, it worked.

[JayHawk]

I'm showing you that Obama will stop at nothing to try to get his way -- even using the pain of 26 deaths to try to pressure his way.

What is getting his way? Preventing children from dying?

I like that way.

So Jack you would prefer that he do nothing and that children die?

that sure says a lot.

Let me tell you how laws get negotiated... first you express what you would desire. Then the other side expressed what they would desire. Then you lower your wants to try and meet the other party... then the teaparty revolts against compromise and makes america a laughing stick where children die and we cant choose to willfully pay our debts.

Oh wait that is what we are doing now. I hope the Congress gets smarter after the tea partiers who lost are kicked to the fucking curb in 2013.

[Jack Springer]

What is getting his way? Preventing children from dying?

I like that way.

So Jack you would prefer that he do nothing and that children die?

that sure says a lot.

Let me tell you how laws get negotiated... first you express what you would desire. Then the other side expressed what they would desire. Then you lower your wants to try and meet the other party... then the teaparty revolts against compromise and makes america a laughing stick where children die and we cant choose to willfully pay our debts.

Oh wait that is what we are doing now. I hope the Congress gets smarter after the tea partiers who lost are kicked to the fucking curb in 2013.

You didn't even watch the video -- did you?

Some of you have tried to make this about me -- changing the subject -- sorry, but the thread is about Obama and his using the deaths of 26 innocent people to get his way with the fiscal cliff argument.

[chance1]

You didn't even watch the video -- did you?

Some of you have tried to make this about me -- changing the subject -- sorry, but the thread is about Obama and his using the deaths of 26 innocent people to get his way with the fiscal cliff argument.

jack

the questioning of obama is not allowed - didn't u get the memo ?

this fucker walks on water

any videos, articles, evidence to the contrary ......... do not exist

LOL

and they attack the messenger

and in this thread that is you

[JayHawk]

You didn't even watch the video -- did you?

Some of you have tried to make this about me -- changing the subject -- sorry, but the thread is about Obama and his using the deaths of 26 innocent people to get his way with the fiscal cliff argument.

I am quite aware from daily news feeds what is occurring with the fiscal curb negotiations. The little stamp at the bottom of your video tells me there is nothing of value inside. Only distorted truths lapped up by morons. Didn't the election and how wrong republicans were... how they denied the truth over and over and over on Fox news give you any suspicions that fox leaves out details and willfully lies to you?

Why waste precious moments of my life reviewing material that is almost certainly lacking in factual representation?

[JayHawk]

At your specific request Jack I reviewed the video. Obama is correct. We deserve a government that can function. Republicans have obstructed the process for long enough. least productive congress in history even though we face some of our gravest issues. it is a disgrace.

[scream4ever]

And yet what are pro-gun groups/politicians and the likes of Ted Nugent doing when they say this tragedy proves that teachers need to have guns on them at all times?

[Rolyo85]

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE VIDEO ABOUT TAXES OR THE FISCAL CLIFF

Just saw the video again. Obama says that when tragedies like the hurricane and Sandy Hook happen, people should be willing to forget party lines and get things done. Nowhere in the 28 seconds is there any talk of taxes - as the video title claims - or any other agenda for that matter.

So unless there is a longer version, Jack, you need to stfu big time because your on-topic topic has an off-topic OP.

[chance1]

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE VIDEO ABOUT TAXES OR THE FISCAL CLIFF

Just saw the video again. Obama says that when tragedies like the hurricane and Sandy Hook happen, people should be willing to forget party lines and get things done. Nowhere in the 28 seconds is there any talk of taxes - as the video title claims - or any other agenda for that matter.

So unless there is a longer version, Jack, you need to stfu big time because your on-topic topic has an off-topic OP.

anyone who has any connection to mainstream media knows what prompted obama's :29 sec here

as suggested to you before by a few (and me), expand your news options

[JayHawk]

Perhaps the conservatives mean what they imply is reality instead of the words spoken... they seem to be having the same break with reality in the Benghazi thread.

[opinterph]

Obama is pushing his "fiscal cliff" agenda by using the deaths of 26 innocent people.

The man has no shame.

What was the occasion at which the President was speaking?

Who is Ben Feller and what is his involvement in this situation?

[Telstra]

I watched the video.
What did he do wrong ???

Complain about nothing is stupid.

[Rolyo85]

anyone who has any connection to mainstream media knows what prompted obama's :29 sec here

as suggested to you before by a few (and me), expand your news options

Weak. Mind-reading is not a legit form of argument, and unless there is any CLEAR indication (like I said - a longer version of this speech) that provides clear context, this is just a non-partisan president making a very truthful statement. So, topic is still off topic.

[chance1]

Perhaps the conservatives mean what they imply is reality instead of the words spoken... they seem to be having the same break with reality in the Benghazi thread.

more disingenuous statements - sort of a pattern

first you understand the context and respond to it - understanding that anyone in ce+p should - those that keep up with basic events in the news

then u flip flop and feign ignorance

sad

[chance1]

Weak. Mind-reading is not a legit form of argument, and unless there is any CLEAR indication (like I said - a longer version of this speech) that provides clear context, this is just a non-partisan president making a very truthful statement. So, topic is still off topic.

no but basic blocking and tackling of political issues especially ones that dominate the news

it's sort of understood that one who enters has a basic understanding of what up

especially those who pontificate so freely and often

try cnn.com or huffingtonpost.com

[JayHawk]

Hey CHance since you have often repeated the line of shit someone sold you about Obama being the reason nothing can be negotiated and since the fiscal cliff is something that is going to gravely affect all of us (if it holds for months and months) then WHAT does your mind make of the fact that republicans cannot muster enough votes to pass their own bill int he house much less a negotiated bill?

looks to be more partisan obstructionism... and soon we will have the obama-blame-ologist out here explaining their economically retarding positions.

Go on Chance explain why Republicans cant pass their own bill amongst themselves yet you put the blame on Obama... is he supposed to provide leadership inside your party of buffoons as well?

[chance1]

Hey CHance since you have often repeated the line of shit someone sold you about Obama being the reason nothing can be negotiated and since the fiscal cliff is something that is going to gravely affect all of us (if it holds for months and months) then WHAT does your mind make of the fact that republicans cannot muster enough votes to pass their own bill int he house much less a negotiated bill?

looks to be more partisan obstructionism... and soon we will have the obama-blame-ologist out here explaining their economically retarding positions.

Go on Chance explain why Republicans cant pass their own bill amongst themselves yet you put the blame on Obama... is he supposed to provide leadership inside your party of buffoons as well?

Read my earlier post about it

It's all there

Perhaps you should read not just spew

The point is ..... Read this

Referencing the tragedy as a weapon politically is a piece of shit move

And because you're a vet and I have a weak spot

I'll repeat what I wrote earlier

Boehner's Plan B was not so smart

[JayHawk]

But the point is not that plan b was not smart. The point is it entirely blows up the discussion on who is at the table with their big boy pants on to govern this country and who is just looking for headlines. Unfortunately you have been defending the groups looking for headlines. That is the fiscal cliff, that is the healthcare debate, that is the Social Security debate, that is the medicare debate, and that most certainly is Benghazi.

All shrieking and politically motivated. No substance.

[Rolyo85]

I am yet to see any credible reason for this thread's existence. Or should I post a video of Boehner opening and closing a door as a SURE and CLEAR indication that he eats colored babies?

[frankfrank]

And yet what are pro-gun groups/politicians and the likes of Ted Nugent doing when they say this tragedy proves that teachers need to have guns on them at all times?

From a friend sixteen months ago:

Ted Nugent on stage last night in Peoria called Obama a dumb monkey ass nigger.

That goddam musician needs to rot in hell.

[rareboy]

I am yet to see any credible reason for this thread's existence. Or should I post a video of Boehner opening and closing a door as a SURE and CLEAR indication that he eats colored babies?

I'd have to agree.

This was just an hysterical falsehood cast out as bait.

[Ambrocious]

This isn't about taxes or anything silly like that. Oh no, it's about taking away all of the guns over time. The only thing keeping the other countries from invading, the ones that we just got done pissing off for the past 11 years almost, the only thing stopping them from actually invading us. Take away all the guns, they will start planning it no doubt, even if it is year away.

But thats not the only issue here. The other main issue like an elephant in the room (no political pun intended) is that they have been trying to get a gun ban passed for quite some time now. The people that rule this country are paid off by the world elite and it is for an agenda.

FIRST AGENDA: Get the people to fight each other over issues such as gun bans, same sex marriage, other civil rights. Once we are each others throats fighting about it, they got to make sure to throw in the "race" card because we all know how popular THAT is. Once violent gun crimes start happening (government hires or provokes most of the shooters in cases like this, it's called a false flag attack, look it up) then the government starts crying about it when they are probably responsible for it.

The politicians prey on the child like innocent minds of the ignorant who don't know the reason to own a gun because deep down inside, it's a fear issue. Understanding WHY it's important to own a gun is probably just as important as why we should not use them in wrong ways.


FAST SOLUTION: Train and arm teachers in schools; making sure that they go threw fire arm training. Arm the teachers; make sure that the gun is not easy to access by anyone but the teacher.

NEXT STEP: Come at them bro.


Who wants to shoot up an ARMED facility in America? No one...unless it's to further the cause for gun bans. Teachers should be armed and made sure they are in their right mind to use a gun to protect the students. Had any teacher in that school been armed responsibly, they could have killed that son of a bitch right away and saved a LOT of lives.

The answer isn't to ban guns, it's gun training and awareness. You don't learn how to avoid poison Ivy in the woods by being ignorant about poison Ivy do you? The same thing goes for all things in life that are dangerous.

GOOD REASONS TO BAN THINGS:

1) SPOONS: For making me fat.
2) CARS: For running over Fluffy and for the possibilities that it MIGHT run me over too.
3) WATER: Because! WE CAN ALL DROWN IN IT!!!! OMG!!!!!
4) FOOD: It MIGHT go down the wrong pipe and CHOKE YOU TO DEATH!!!!
5) PRIVATE HOMES: You aint got nothing to hide do you? Let me see you....whenever I please *creeper at your window*.


You see how dumb that sounds. Thats about the same level of dumb when I hear people say ban guns because of the shootings. We need gun awareness and we need people to purchases guns to protect themselves, defensive reasons only. Guns can be used to hunt too and believe it or not, a lot of people hunt for food, clothing, many other reasons.

Base line: the gun ban is not because of anything that we have done, it is a long term agenda set in place to strip the USA of an important freedom that is stopping our nation from completely collapsing into dust. Take away the guns, watch the crime rate fly!

[chance1]

But the point is not that plan b was not smart. The point is it entirely blows up the discussion on who is at the table with their big boy pants on to govern this country and who is just looking for headlines. Unfortunately you have been defending the groups looking for headlines. That is the fiscal cliff, that is the healthcare debate, that is the Social Security debate, that is the medicare debate, and that most certainly is Benghazi.

All shrieking and politically motivated. No substance.

Actually the point of this thread is that el presidente will say just about anything

The fiscal cliff negotiatons is something else

What people do when faced with adversity

And Obama - upset at Boehner's move - bit

And it's cynical bullshit

Which many here love because its always about scorched earth and fucking republicans is the goal

But as President it was another example of campaigner not leader

[rareboy]

Actually the point of this thread is that el presidente will say just about anything

The fiscal cliff negotiatons is something else

What people do when faced with adversity

And Obama - upset at Boehner's move - bit

And it's cynical bullshit

Which many here love because its always about scorched earth and fucking republicans is the goal

But as President it was another example of campaigner not leader

Actually the point of the thread seems to be about two posters who will say just about anything.

As long as it is part of their grinding 'I hate Obama' narrative.

Just sayin'.

[chance1]

Actually the point of the thread seems to be about two posters who will say just about anything.

As long as it is part of their grinding 'I hate Obama' narrative.

Just sayin'.

Repetition is not reason and your take is about the former always

And u exhibit hate in just about every post so u r am expert

But your application is suspect and too frequent

Reflexive

Obamallegiance

Cheers

[Jack Springer]

Actually the point of the thread seems to be about two posters who will say just about anything.

As long as it is part of their grinding 'I hate Obama' narrative.

Just sayin'.

The point of the thread was to show how Obama is using the Newtown tragedy to advance his political cause. Which I personally think is shameful.

Listen to what the man actually says in the video instead of thinking he's saying something else.

You want to make it personal. I couldn't care less about that.

[White Eagle]

.According to your thread, "Obama Uses Deaths of 26 Children and Teachers to Promote His Agenda" so, here we have a group of citizens and probably family members of those lost. Are these people using the deaths of 26 children and teachers to promote their agenda??
Your hatred is showing as usual.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/con...oup/index.html

Newtown United tries to tackle the rough world of gun policy
By Ashley Fantz, CNN
updated 9:30 AM EST, Wed December 19, 2012


--snip--

About 50 people got together Saturday, then Sunday and again Monday at the town's public library, the only place that could accommodate the growing crowd of 75-plus people.

They decided to call themselves Newtown United. A Facebook and Twitter account were set up. Then they scrambled to find people in the group who could drop their jobs for a day or put off family obligations to go to Washington. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which holds perhaps the biggest pro-gun control megaphone in the country, was staging a press conference at the capital.

[Rolyo85]

The point of the thread was to show how Obama is using the Newtown tragedy to advance his political cause. Which I personally think is shameful.

Listen to what the man actually says in the video instead of thinking he's saying something else.

You want to make it personal. I couldn't care less about that.

Well, then the point failed because he wasn't doing that, and you provided no context to show that he did. He certainly doesn't do it in the video. ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE ANOTHER SOURCE, or will you admit your claim was unfounded? Yes or no?

[rareboy]

^ We won't get either another source or a retraction...all we will get is a






OMG LOOK OVER THERE!!!! BENGHAZI!!!!!

[Jack Springer]

Well, then the point failed because he wasn't doing that, and you provided no context to show that he did. He certainly doesn't do it in the video. ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE ANOTHER SOURCE, or will you admit your claim was unfounded? Yes or no?

It's not my fault you and others won't look at a video.

Here's the text which I hope you will read.

And when you think about what we've gone through over the last couple of months -- a devastating hurricane, and now one of the worst tragedies in our memory -- the country deserves folks to be willing to compromise on behalf of the greater good, and not tangle themselves up in a whole bunch of ideological positions that don’t make much sense.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ce_116488.html

Here's another video on his own web site that is focused on donations where he uses his Sunday night speech to ask for donations. Why else is there a www.barakobama.com web site if not to raise money and push an agenda.

Why does the man need to raise more money -- he won, the election is over.

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entr...wn-connecticut

[Rolyo85]

It's not my fault you and others won't look at a video.

Here's the text which I hope you will read.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ce_116488.html

Here's another video on his own web site that is focused on donations where he uses his Sunday night speech to ask for donations. Why else is there a www.barakobama.com web site if not to raise money and push an agenda.

Why does the man need to raise more money -- he won, the election is over.

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entr...wn-connecticut

Dude, do you not read the posts you respond to? I saw the video multiple times. There is no agenda stated there. There's not a single hint of "we should to this now, because of those tragedies." I am truly shocked that you could claim there's partisanship in those 28 seconds. And it's utterly pathetic that you're incapable of actually supporting the claim, and yet you keep insisting it's there. Mind-reading much?

[JayHawk]

Right jack and the compromise he is talking about is on a gun ban and irrational ideological positions are you and chance refusing to accept anything but conspiracy theories for Obama's actions. Your conduct is shameful and akin to the folks who have no grounding in moral character in our nations past who brought shameful public movements to the foreground. You know japanese internment, maccarthy-ism and the teaparty.

You listen to Obama speak and because of a lack of ...i dunno you lack something... that just doesn't allow you to realize the concept shifted from debt ceiling/budget talks to something much more threatening and pervasive in our society. But your mind cannot grasp it because that was not what you are mentally prepared to argue. So your right. Your conduct is shameless.

[rareboy]

It's not my fault you and others won't look at a video.

Here's the text which I hope you will read.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ce_116488.html

Here's another video on his own web site that is focused on donations where he uses his Sunday night speech to ask for donations. Why else is there a www.barakobama.com web site if not to raise money and push an agenda.

Why does the man need to raise more money -- he won, the election is over.

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entr...wn-connecticut

I'm actually starting to worry that you are being somewhat delusional here.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

From a friend sixteen months ago:



That goddam musician needs to rot in hell.

IRC, Nugent said "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.". I'm still waiting for either outcome, Ted.

He also posted this slice of wisdom on Twitter: "What subhuman varmint believes others must pay for their obesity booze cellphones birthcontrol abortions & lives" (Posted November 7, 2012 11:30 am)

Looks like Ted hates commas as much as he hates Obama, but I have to admit that "Obesity Booze Cellphones" would make an awesome band name.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

GOOD REASONS TO BAN THINGS:

1) SPOONS: For making me fat.
2) CARS: For running over Fluffy and for the possibilities that it MIGHT run me over too.
3) WATER: Because! WE CAN ALL DROWN IN IT!!!! OMG!!!!!
4) FOOD: It MIGHT go down the wrong pipe and CHOKE YOU TO DEATH!!!!
5) PRIVATE HOMES: You aint got nothing to hide do you? Let me see you....whenever I please *creeper at your window*.

I love that strawman!

Guess what? None of those things are manufactured for the sole purpose of harming or killing human beings, and none of them can be used by someone to kill 2 dozen people in a matter of minutes.

OK, maybe the car, if you drove right into a parade or something. And possibly the water, if you locked everyone in a room and flooded it. Or the house, if you lifted it with a crane and dropped on a crowd of people. But then again, those scenarios have less than .01% of occurring, unlike gun massacres.