Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

[tigerfan482]

Hilary did a great job. It was funny watching all of the Republicans attempt to get some sort of grand conspiracy out of her and then resort to such fantastical claims such as "worst tragedy since 9/11" when they came up empty handed. I definitely noticed Rand Paul setting him self up for a run in 2016.

[Ninja108]

Rand Paul has no shot of becoming president unless the Republician's sceme to rig the electoral college works.

[JB3]

Message coming loud and clear from these hearings: Do not fuck with Hilary, especially when you're talking about people in the State Department.

If she decides to run in 2016, she has my vote. We need someone who can cut through the crap and lay out political ploys naked for all to see.

[JB3]

One of those rare times I agree with you... She didn't even appear in 100% health and she still sent the republicans cowering under a dark rock.

She'll have my vote too... and I hope she gets back to 100% health. She's absolutely unbreakable and has the will of iron. I'll just wonder what she'll do from now till 2016.

I would have loved to have the republicans wired with an EKG to see their heart rate spike when she laid into them. Also to hear their thoughts when they realized what they did.

[Rolyo85]

Why is nobody commenting on her completely unacceptable and dare I say divisive attitude? She was downright mean and I for one am outraged!

[Sausy]

Hillary Clinton did NOTHING today to satisfactorily answer the basic questions but no one can doubt her ability to make middle aged politicos squirm. The basic thing is the whole situation was completely avoidable, and the administration tripped on its feet a number of times rather than come clean and honest as soon as possible. So many warning signs that the mission was a prime target for radicals....attacks on other missions that caused countries to leave Benghazi and even a previous incident at the mission early in the summer. An increasingly deteriorating security situation....yet you bright lights here can't put two and two together and Hillary cannot give a satisfactory response but put on her best outraged mother hen persona and draw a circle round her precious State fiefdom. She did say one thing that had a ring of truth....Benghazi didn't happen in a vacuum, and North Africa now is in a precarious state with the emergence of radical Islamic forces. Remember Algeria, recently in the news? Some of those involved in the hostage crisis sat the oil refinery may well have had ties with the groups involved in the Benghazi attack.

Don't celebrate for Hilllary just yet...hell she can handle herself, we know that. But she cannot change the fact this Administration was far more interested in political cover than admitting and honestly dealing with an alarming breakdown in security. Big fucking deal about her attitude...bet Bill's seen it HUNDREDS of times. She did a song and dance, that's it.

[T-Rexx]

^ Apparently, you didn't watch the hearing, Sausy. Clinton answered everything she was asked. The answers were too factual and too reasonable for Republicans - the truth was not what they wanted. They wanted something that would have made the administration look bad. Since there was no such thing, they just kept asking the same old questions over and over. But, much to their obvious frustration, all they got was the truth.

Slate got it right:

The grilling of Hillary Clinton was worse: a repetitive series of losing rematches, of Republicans asking questions that had been asked and answered and asked and answered.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...st_chance.html

The Republicans made fools of themselves during this hearing. If they wanted to embarrass the administration, they accomplished precisely the opposite.

[Just_Believe18]

Hillary Clinton did NOTHING today to satisfactorily answer the basic questions but no one can doubt her ability to make middle aged politicos squirm. The basic thing is the whole situation was completely avoidable, and the administration tripped on its feet a number of times rather than come clean and honest as soon as possible. So many warning signs that the mission was a prime target for radicals....attacks on other missions that caused countries to leave Benghazi and even a previous incident at the mission early in the summer. An increasingly deteriorating security situation....yet you bright lights here can't put two and two together and Hillary cannot give a satisfactory response but put on her best outraged mother hen persona and draw a circle round her precious State fiefdom. She did say one thing that had a ring of truth....Benghazi didn't happen in a vacuum, and North Africa now is in a precarious state with the emergence of radical Islamic forces. Remember Algeria, recently in the news? Some of those involved in the hostage crisis sat the oil refinery may well have had ties with the groups involved in the Benghazi attack.

Don't celebrate for Hilllary just yet...hell she can handle herself, we know that. But she cannot change the fact this Administration was far more interested in political cover than admitting and honestly dealing with an alarming breakdown in security. Big fucking deal about her attitude...bet Bill's seen it HUNDREDS of times. She did a song and dance, that's it.

Did you watch the full six hours? Because there's a lot of serious publications and editorials that did, stating she was very thorough in her transparency of the events that happened. I just don't know why some people continue to clench with cold, dead fists onto this embassy attack (one of many in the War on Terror) as some kind of smoking gun conspiracy that is suppose to bring down the entire Obama Administration. It's not even damning enough even if there was intentional negligence. There is no scandal!

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Now that this whole thing is over, let's focus on more important things, like Beyonce's lip-syncing scandal!

Quick! Someone put Hillary on the stand and find out what she knows about this!

[xbuzzerx]

Did you watch the full six hours? Because there's a lot of serious publications and editorials that did, stating she was very thorough in her transparency of the events that happened. I just don't know why some people continue to clench with cold, dead fists onto this embassy attack (one of many in the War on Terror) as some kind of smoking gun conspiracy that is suppose to bring down the entire Obama Administration. It's not even damning enough even if there was intentional negligence. There is no scandal!

Because it's all they got. Seriously, no snark. These fabricated outrages are the best they have. Every other criticism of the administration comes down to a twisting of their "intentions" or "mindset", such as saying Obama is "mean" to Republicans or "won't work with them."

They don't have anything real, so they cold-dead-grasp these issues that have absolutely nothing tangible to grab hold of, and then act like it's just further proof of a coverup when nothing humiliating to the administration comes out of the hearing.

[Jack Springer]

^ Apparently, you didn't watch the hearing, Sausy. Clinton answered everything she was asked. The answers were too factual and too reasonable for Republicans - the truth was not what they wanted. They wanted something that would have made the administration look bad. Since there was no such thing, they just kept asking the same old questions over and over. But, much to their obvious frustration, all they got was the truth.

Slate got it right:




The Republicans made fools of themselves during this hearing. If they wanted to embarrass the administration, they accomplished precisely the opposite.

She did not answer everything she was asked. You did not watch the hearing. She chose what questions to answer because most of the senators and representatives did not ask one question at a time -- they did not focus. She also could not answer many questions and told them she would have to get back with them.

I think almost all made fools of themselves yesterday. I'm surprised the dem's didn't actually ask to physically kiss her ass -- many were looking to the future asking for jobs in her potential administration.

[Jack Springer]

Now that this whole thing is over, let's focus on more important things, like Beyonce's lip-syncing scandal!

Quick! Someone put Hillary on the stand and find out what she knows about this!

I see you don't care about 4 dead men. Death is funny isn't it.

[CowboyBob]

I see you don't care about 4 dead men. Death is funny isn't it.

I see you don't care for 3,200 dead Americans killed by terrorist attacks on american soil. Bush & company ignored the warnings.

I see you don't care for 6,616 Americans killed in the illegal invasion by Bush and company.

I see you don't care for a million + Iraqis killed in an illegal invasion by Bush and company.

I see you do care about Fox talking points and their pathetic attempt to create a scandal.

Funny, isn't it.

[Jack Springer]

The Bush Administration did not refuse to talk about Iraq.

[CowboyBob]

The Bush Administration did not refuse to talk about Iraq.

So they're not responsible for the illegal activity resulting in all those deaths?

It's easy to tell who absorbs Fox propaganda when they start on the "four people dead" line. Since you're mourning so deeply about the "four people dead" tell me Springer... what are their names? And without googling anything.

Don't follow Fox blindly like you're doing now.

[Jack Springer]

To quote Hillary -- "Does it really matter."

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

To quote Hillary -- "Does it really matter."

Just when I think you can't sink any lower...

I can't figure out if you're being aggressively cynical or willfully stupid.

[Jack Springer]

^^^

Just quoting her. Watch a video of the question and how she answered it. She's a master of changing the subject.

[tigerfan482]

^^^

Just quoting her. Watch a video of the question and how she answered it. She's a master of changing the subject.

Since we're not Fox News here, let's go ahead and get the entire quote.

“With all due respect, the fact is, we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night who decide to kill some Americans, what difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator.”

So where as your snippet makes it looks like she cares about nothing, the actual quote shows that she's concerned about what happened and how to prevent it in the future and that this petty bickering over whether it was a protest or random act of terror isn't relevant anymore.

And Jack, an estimated 155,000 people die every day, some from war, some from hunger, some from disease, some from some criminal act. Where are your daily posts of outrage over these deaths and the demand to get to the bottom of each? Is it because they don't help you try to prove a fake political conspiracy?

[JayHawk]

Wow same old people with the same old tired answers for denying reality. Quite Sad.

[CowboyBob]

And here it is:

Watching Rand Paul take his cheap political shots at the Secretary of State in this video, I was wishing Joseph N. Welch was sitting there and responded to Paul like he did to Republicans in one of their witch hunts back in the 50's:

"At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_N._Welch

[justdra]

It's not like he will ever have to worry about being her boss. He is all talk and posturing and all the old white men looked like they were just ganging up on her and she handled herself just fine. They were all acting like they were out to prove something when they could give a damn about anyone who got killed, they were just trying to score points and it didn't work.

[Rolyo85]

The Bush Administration did not refuse to talk about Iraq.

And neither did the Obama Administration, as evidenced by six hours of your boys embarrassing themselves yesterday ^_^

[Rolyo85]

Meanwhile, in Teabagistan:

[FuryOfFirestorm]

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Helpful hint to Republicans:

Not getting the incriminating answers you salivate over =/= Not getting straight answers

I guess they didn't learn their lesson after "Republican Math" and "Unskewed Polls" proved that substituting fantasy for reality doesn't magically change reality.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

At this point, the Benghazi "Scandal" has become another "Obama Birth Certificate" - no proof or answer will suffice except the ones that the inquisitors hope for.

Teabaggers: "WHAR BIRF CIRTIFIKAT WHAR?"

Obama: "Here you go"

Teabaggers: "WHAR LONG FORM CIRTIFIKAT WHAR?"

Obama: "Here you go"

Teabaggers: "WHAR ULTRASOUND PICS AND KINDERGARDEN MACARONI ART WHAR?"

[CowboyBob]

At this point, the Benghazi "Scandal" has become another "Obama Birth Certificate" - no proof or answer will suffice except the ones that the inquisitors hope for.

Yes. This is nothing more than another right wing manufactured scandal. They'll rag on about this one for a while even tho they know it's a hopeless cause until they can start another.

Cue the "four dead americans" Fox slogan again someone and blame Obama / Clinton. We haven't heard that for the last 15 minutes.

[T-Rexx]

The Bush Administration did not refuse to talk about Iraq.

Actually, they refused to discuss even the most fundamental aspects of the war in Iraq.

We're still waiting for their reason for starting the Iraq war in the first place.

[xbuzzerx]

Helpful hint to Republicans:

Not getting the incriminating answers you salivate over =/= Not getting straight answers

I guess they didn't learn their lesson after "Republican Math" and "Unskewed Polls" proved that substituting fantasy for reality doesn't magically change reality.

It's been common at least since Bush's administration, if not earlier. Pick the conclusion you want and how the facts fall afterwards are details to be fixed around the conclusion.

And @ Rolyo's poster-- yup. Since Jack first started bringing up Benghazi topics months ago I have repeatedly pointed out that Republicans slashes embassy security budgets and refused to apportion more money to it despite Democratic attempts to do so.

If anyone were really serious about blame that would be a very prominent theme of the discussion, but of course, it isn't. Setting up something about government to fail through underbudgeting or mismanaging and then blaming the government for it has been a Republican tactic for discrediting the whole institution of government, particularly under opposition leadership. But even in Bush's time when they controlled all three branches he put a horse rancher in charge of FEMA, and then queue up years of people squealing about how incompetent FEMA is after Hurricane Katrina. Was anyone surprised?

[Jack Springer]

key word -- proposed

more democrats voted against increasing funding than republicans -- we've been all over this before

[Jack Springer]

A major part of the story finally comes out ...

H. Clinton didn't care.

Obama didn't care.

Panetta didn't care.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Demsey didn't care.

-- they were not available the night of the Benghazi attack and murder of 4 people including a US Ambassador.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...nt_700403.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...zi_700405.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ck_700410.html

The silence from them got Obama re-elected ..... mission accomplished .... guess once you start killing your fellow citizens guess one more doesn't make any difference.

[Rolyo85]

Also, jack springer didn't and still doesn't care.

[tigerfan482]

A major part of the story finally comes out ...

H. Clinton didn't care.

Obama didn't care.

Panetta didn't care.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Demsey didn't care.

-- they were not available the night of the Benghazi attack and murder of 4 people including a US Ambassador.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...nt_700403.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...zi_700405.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ck_700410.html

The silence from them got Obama re-elected ..... mission accomplished .... guess once you start killing your fellow citizens guess one more doesn't make any difference.

Wow. You are grasping and must be desperate. Those links don't support anything you just said. I'm starting to think you are just purposefully ignorant or lack basic reading comprehension skills.

[Rolyo85]

Wow. You are grasping and must be desperate. Those links don't support anything you just said. I'm starting to think you are just purposefully ignorant or lack basic reading comprehension skills.

You're "STARTING" to think that? Lolzies...

[xbuzzerx]

A major part of the story finally comes out ...

H. Clinton didn't care.

Obama didn't care.

Panetta didn't care.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Demsey didn't care.

Every non-Fox-viewing CE&P member didn't care.

Just saying.

[tigerfan482]

You're "STARTING" to think that? Lolzies...

What can I say? I'm naive enough to try to give people the benefit of the doubt multiple times.

[Jack Springer]

Yep. Backed into a corner and the typical liberal goes personal.



Tell me how Obama, Clinton, Panetta, and Demsey acted the night of 9/11/12?

[xbuzzerx]

Yep. Backed into a corner and the typical liberal goes personal.



Tell me how Obama, Clinton, Panetta, and Demsey acted the night of 9/11/12?

Jack you're still trying to make controversy out of something that is a dead non-controversy.

I don't know what you think Hillary and Obama should have gotten 'upset' about. You're the one who's been implying all along that there was some secret Fox-inspired koolaid conspiracy on their part to screw over the embassy and get people killed. That was always a baseless conclusion from day 1 and now that neither of them confessed to it you're outraged.

Move on. There's nothing here. There's nothing for us to get defensive about. You're just recreating reality around you as you go to make it fit your stupid theory.

[Rolyo85]

Yep. Backed into a corner and the typical liberal goes personal.

Tell me how Obama, Clinton, Panetta, and Demsey acted the night of 9/11/12?

Backed into a corner? You're delusional if you think you have the capacity to back anyone here into corners.

And to answer your question - they acted with concern, efficiency and professionalism that was unheard of in the Bush administration. Or do you think that people can't give you this answer because you act like you're asking a hard question? Puh-lease..,

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Yep. Backed into a corner and the typical liberal goes personal.



Tell me how Obama, Clinton, Panetta, and Demsey acted the night of 9/11/12?

Fine, you want the truth, then here it is:

Obama was watching the whole thing via telekinetically controlled drone, laughing maniacally and snorting cocaine off of Hillary's tits while Panetta and Dempsey banged hookers on a pile of dead American ambassadors.

Darn you and your Rudy-like quest for the truth, Springer!

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Yep. Backed into a corner and the typical liberal goes personal.



Tell me how Obama, Clinton, Panetta, and Demsey acted the night of 9/11/12?

Even better question: How did Bush, Rove, Rice and Rumsfeld act when these happened:

[Rolyo85]

Even better question: How did Bush, Rove, Rice and Rumsfeld act when these happened:

Ha! You're just setting a trap*! He won't fall for that!


* A trap is any question Springer is too scared to answer because he knows then he'll be faced with his own inconsistency.

[CowboyBob]

Why did Springer bump this ridiculous thread? So he can continue to make a fool of himself.

You can't buy this kind of entertainment. He's REALLY upset President Obama was re-elected.



Throw those tantrums Springer.

[Ninja108]

We keep hearing about how the Republicians botched the Benghazi hearings and if only they had asked tougher questions the truth could have been known.
The hearings were "botched" because the Republicians never truly cared about anyone who died there. It was simply the moment they though they could use to take down Hilary and Obama. That's why they got schooled so badly.

[rareboy]

Oh Jack.

It is going to be a long, long four years.

[palemale]

Oh Jack.

It is going to be a long, long four years.

I'm sure Jack is still convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Vince Foster.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

I'm sure Jack is still convinced Hillary Clinton murdered Vince Foster.

She also shot JR, Liberty Valance, Andy Warhol, and the sheriff (but she didn't shoot the deputy).

[chance1]

was waiting for Jack to chime in but he hasn't so .......

looks like the Benghazi TRUTH is coming out - and it doesn't jive with the Administrations version

couple of new witnesses have come forward and here's what they're saying ...

The deputy of slain U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens has told congressional investigators that a team of Special Forces prepared to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi during the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks was forbidden from doing so by U.S. Special Operations Command Africa.

this is in direct conflict with what the admin. told us

According to excerpts released Monday, Hicks told investigators that SOCAFRICA commander Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.' And so they missed the flight ... They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it."

Gregory Hicks who was the deputy to slain Ambassador Chris Stevens is the source here - and he says live could've/would've ben saved

more to come

I'm sure

oh yeah - they knew it was a terror attack from the get go



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...uring-attacks/

[Centexfarmer]

Yeah and we didn't know that we were under attack until a Domestic Airline slammed into the 2nd tower of the World Trade Center back on 9/11/01.

Seems to me that Obama and his team were more on the ball than Bush43 back on 9/11 on not being so quick to rush to judgement on this.

Though multiple US Embassies were attacked under Bush, and many more State Department officials killed under Bush, but the Obama Administration doesn't immediately call this a terrorists attack (which it clearly was), and the "authoritarian sisters" pull their skirts up over their heads and scream foul.

Please forgive this American for asking, but WTF?

The "left' would be calling it a cover up on Bush's part, but the *cough, cough* "right" is calling it that on Obama's watch.

Anyone checked the "price of tea in China" lately?

Or the Down Jones Industrial Average?

Just asking.