Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

[palbert]

.... I don't doubt Hillary's illness - it's a brain clot - what caused it i have no idea - i believe in good and bad karma and this perhaps was the latter ....

God's judgment? Well, he overlooked Sandy Hook. Karma I guess.

[JayHawk]

well it's only taken you what several months? to admit the obvious ?

that the State Dept. run by Hillary Clinton
and the Admin. which is the "boss" of the State Dept.
fucked up

prior to this your narrative is that all was fine save for Ambassador Steven's mismanagement and stupidity which caused his own death the death of others

not sure why you're changing your tune now

and i'm not sure what u really believe

I havent changed my tune. You only hear what you wish because it plays nicely on your iHate Obama soundtrack.

[xbuzzerx]

I havent changed my tune. You only hear what you wish because it plays nicely on your iHate Obama soundtrack.

With big gulps of Haterade.

[chance1]

I havent changed my tune. You only hear what you wish because it plays nicely on your iHate Obama soundtrack.

change it ? u destroyed it

day 1 it was stevens fault chief - a tirade of bullshit and denigration

ur epiphany is faux and new

and no one buys it

as for Hills ......... she's prob got Bill's old staff working on her story

the one that puts her in the most favorable light

which would be the dark

[chance1]

God's judgment? Well, he overlooked Sandy Hook. Karma I guess.

spoken like a true atheist

i said karma not gospel

[chance1]

So your point is that during election years politicians engage in damage control and that really, really bugs you when a Democrat does it? What Romney himself tried to pull in the debates-- that Obama had somehow "hidden" that this was a terrorist attack when he'd mentioned those very words in his first address on the topic-- was fiction, as is your outrage here over nothing.

I don't even know why you've bothered with 20,000 posts when you virtually never say anything. It's just pretzel shaped unsupported vitriol for the left.

your meds have worn off as has my patience

first cornfield of the year - congrats

as for Hills ............... my gut is the karma is not a short lived thingy

[TX-Beau]

.....?.....

[xbuzzerx]

.....?.....

His dramatic way of saying I'm back on the ban list, which is fine. He doesn't like his crap being called out.

[rareboy]

Oh Chance.

I thought you were taking Buzzer out to the field to cornhole him.

So with your concern expressed for another poster's mental state, would it be fair game to suggest that your meds may be out of balance as well? You know we all worry about you. Is that how we'll deal with it from now on? Just stop an argument by telling the other poster that they need pharmacological intervention? Is that how the next four years play out?

[Jack Springer]

^^^

Some honesty from the Obama Administration would be a good start. Obama doesn't need to play the American people anymore -- he doesn't have to run for anything anymore -- he won. A winner and leader would not flaunt his victory, he would work to mend fences and promote the general welfare of all people.

Obama has done the opposite.

Benghazi would have long blown over, except for the mourning of the dead, if the Obama Administration had been honest and not tried to spin a story. What I and others don't understand is -- why did they go to such extremes to spin the story and then clam up on the details when asked.

[rareboy]

^ No Benghazi has already blown over. Except for you. Chance and FOX.

[Rolyo85]

Some honesty from the Obama Administration would be a good start.

A start to what exactly? Obama proving himself to you? Is such a high standard ever truly achievable?

And yes, Benghazi did blow over. Nobody cares about it anymore, but a bunch of sad trolls under a bridge in a gay board, and a gang of sad "reporters" afraid they'll lose their jobs if they can't make the president look bad.

[JayHawk]

change it ? u destroyed it

day 1 it was stevens fault chief - a tirade of bullshit and denigration

ur epiphany is faux and new

and no one buys it

as for Hills ......... she's prob got Bill's old staff working on her story

the one that puts her in the most favorable light

which would be the dark

No you had no substantial argument to defend what I originally posted on the matter so you adopted some very fake outrage concerning Ambassador Stevens and how evil I am because he died doing something dangerous and I had the absolute gall to suggest he made decisions that were a party to his death. You then subsequently made assertions that the military abandoned them, that Obama watched and laughed and that is was a huge cover up (that was some how occurring on the front page of every news broadcast from the moment it started)

Since that time the investigation completed by the State Department and sanctioned as correct by the Senate Intel committee confirmed my suspicions and debunked yours. You then tried to translate that to other issues like Hammar who tried crossing an international border with a fucking firearm as if that was okie dokie. And make out my position that transporting a firearm across international borders is fucking ignorant and has consequences. But again you adopted fake outrage to try and shape the discussion as me being callous and uncaring because I lap Obama's balls. Yet again in that case the correct level of government intervened, the man was freed and he will not transport weapons again will he?

So the long and short is easy. You are the white knight of republican defense which is ostensibly the party of personal responsibility. (Although their leaders rarely demonstrate such behavior) Yet when actions taken by individuals have consequences you scrape and claw to blame it on others.

What is the truth is that the process at State could be faulted while Amb. Stevens made decisions outside of protocol. The two items are not in any way mutually exclusive. Similarly the proper levels can work to free Hammar (Not POTUS Obama) while at the same time what he was accused of and what occurred could be greatly flawed. In the end the same is maintained. Personal decisions reap personal consequences. That is a fact of life no matter how you lean politically.

[chance1]

^ all anyone has to do is read the originals - if they choose

no need for you to cover (badly) your tracks

as for decisions and consequences i agree

The President doesn't seem to and it appears neither do you

His decisions with regard to running the country and promises that don't take ....... well he inherited xyz
Positive developments he takes credit for
It's politics

He has accepted no responsibility for Benghazi - he lied about the events - no one has been held accountable (really) - reassignments are re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

Hills has been MIA

And you're changing your story

It's all very convenient

but not very honest

Pass

[JayHawk]

President Obama stated on national television that if anyone in congress wanted to blame anyone for Benghazi then they can come talk to him about it because it is his responsibility. More of a sitch (<< is that the cutsey slang) ?! More of a sitch where you refuse to here English words and comprehend them because they do not fit your story that you have already decided must be. Kinda the same reason the entire republican establishment was ignorant to their historic loss this time around.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

He has accepted no responsibility for Benghazi - he lied about the events - no one has been held accountable (really) - reassignments are re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

Hills has been MIA

Really? Please show us where Obama "lied" and denied that Benghazi was a disaster. (using his own words, and not shit cut and pasted from Brietbart.com). And don't trot out the tired old "but he blamed it on the video!" BS. Yes, he originally said it was a possibility that the video was the case, but that was due to early intelligence reports that were later debunked by more recent sources. Mentioning possible causes based on shaky intel isn't lying, unless you want to admit that Bush II "lied" about the yellowcake uranium as the rationale for starting a war.

As for Hillary, how is she "MIA?" Has she been missing for years or unable to be located by anyone? Is she being held prisoner by the Viet Cong? I guess the next time someone takes sick leave, we'll have to notify the Army to send out a search team.

[Jack Springer]

^ No Benghazi has already blown over. Except for you. Chance and FOX and the Obama White House.

Again, if you filter the information you receive through sources sympathetic to your views, your intelligence will never grow. Two days ago the White released a photo taken in the White House the night of the Benghazi attack.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteho...in/photostream

PS: Correction made to your list -- emphasis added.

[Jack Springer]

A start to what exactly? Obama proving himself to you? Is such a high standard ever truly achievable?

And yes, Benghazi did blow over. Nobody cares about it anymore, but a bunch of sad trolls under a bridge in a gay board, and a gang of sad "reporters" afraid they'll lose their jobs if they can't make the president look bad.

I and others care, the families of the dead care.

The President makes himself look bad by his refusal to answer questions. As I've said before, if they would have honest from the beginning instead of creating a stupid story about a video -- this probably would not be news today. Nixon thought the same thing about breaking into an office -- not a big deal.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

I and others care, the families of the dead care.

The President makes himself look bad by his refusal to answer questions. As I've said before, if they would have honest from the beginning instead of creating a stupid story about a video -- this probably would not be news today. Nixon thought the same thing about breaking into an office -- not a big deal.

1) What is that photo supposed to prove - Obama was meeting with his staff? OH NOES! THEY IZ MAKING SECRET MUZLIN PLOT!

2) Refuse to answer what questions? Has he been dragged before a court of law and taken the Fifth? He sure had no problems answering questions about it on 60 Minutes.

Please, Jack. Stop the madness. I know at it makes your anus pucker to know that a "blah person" is in the White House, but you have to move on. Better luck in 2016, mein freund!

[JayHawk]

I and others care, the families of the dead care.

The President makes himself look bad by his refusal to answer questions. As I've said before, if they would have honest from the beginning instead of creating a stupid story about a video -- this probably would not be news today. Nixon thought the same thing about breaking into an office -- not a big deal.

Did you seriously just compare your false outrage at a disgraceful house refusal to spend money on the President? Then compare it to Watergate....??? Fucking really dude? Holy shit.... Ambrocious move over....there is a new tinfoil hat sherruf' in town.

I wonder why the bipartisan investigation sponsored by State and endorsed by the Senate didnt find any of your conspiracies? Why did Lyndsey Graham and John McCain drop the issue... you know guys who have a security clearance and know the whole story? What is your tin foil hat picking up that our Senators missed?

[xbuzzerx]

^ all anyone has to do is read the originals - if they choose

no need for you to cover (badly) your tracks

as for decisions and consequences i agree

The President doesn't seem to and it appears neither do you

His decisions with regard to running the country and promises that don't take ....... well he inherited xyz
Positive developments he takes credit for
It's politics

He has accepted no responsibility for Benghazi - he lied about the events - no one has been held accountable (really) - reassignments are re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

Hills has been MIA

And you're changing your story

It's all very convenient

but not very honest

Pass

It's fairly clear to me at least that the goalposts you've set up, the only "reckoning" would be if President Obama stepped forward and said he murdered the ambassador knowingly and covered it up, and asked America to try him for high treason.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

It's fairly clear to me at least that the goalposts you've set up, the only "reckoning" would be if President Obama stepped forward and said he murdered the ambassador knowingly and covered it up, and asked America to try him for high treason.

Didn't you know that not only did Obama plot death of the Ambassador, he watched the whole thing via drone while snorting coke off of a Puerto Rican rent boy's buttocks and laughing manically? It's true because some blog on the Internet said so!

[White Eagle]

Really? Please show us where Obama "lied" and denied that Benghazi was a disaster. (using his own words, and not shit cut and pasted from Brietbart.com). And don't trot out the tired old "but he blamed it on the video!" BS. Yes, he originally said it was a possibility that the video was the case, but that was due to early intelligence reports that were later debunked by more recent sources. Mentioning possible causes based on shaky intel isn't lying, unless you want to admit that Bush II "lied" about the yellowcake uranium as the rationale for starting a war.

As for Hillary, how is she "MIA?" Has she been missing for years or unable to be located by anyone? Is she being held prisoner by the Viet Cong? I guess the next time someone takes sick leave, we'll have to notify the Army to send out a search team.

You've got to be careful suggesting chance1 uses Brietbart.com. He will pester you for weeks for an apology.

[White Eagle]

1) What is that photo supposed to prove - Obama was meeting with his staff? OH NOES! THEY IZ MAKING SECRET MUZLIN PLOT!

2) Refuse to answer what questions? Has he been dragged before a court of law and taken the Fifth? He sure had no problems answering questions about it on 60 Minutes.

Please, Jack. Stop the madness. I know at it makes your anus pucker to know that a "blah person" is in the White House, but you have to move on. Better luck in 2016, mein freund!

Thanks, I can read between the lines.

[chance1]

A start to what exactly? Obama proving himself to you? Is such a high standard ever truly achievable?

And yes, Benghazi did blow over. Nobody cares about it anymore, but a bunch of sad trolls under a bridge in a gay board, and a gang of sad "reporters" afraid they'll lose their jobs if they can't make the president look bad.

recently a respected member of the forum called you out for your antics - it was a classic CE+P moment

He advised you to think hard before posting - clearly it fell on deaf ears

He shared that NO ONE likes you - he knows his shit

as for the "story" course it's not well covered

there's so much shit going on in the US - that any story struggles to stay "topical"

and Obamallegiance as practiced by the media keeps the volume low - they'd rather fawn over the Pres. cuz he's so cool

But 4 heroes are dead and the report, despite lies to the contrary above by one who should know better, points directly to systematic failure of the state dept.

the state dept. headed by hills
with obama as her boss

obama stonewalled this puppy for the longest time and now that the election is over, it's sorta white noise

but not because it isn't a big deal

because politics trumps the truth



his views speak for themselves

yours

[xbuzzerx]

^ In Republican world, delayed testimony because of a head blood clot = "stonewalling."

Were you utterly and completely asleep through 8 years of Bush? Because if there's no way you were awake you'd think this is stonewalling.

See post #163 Chance.

[xbuzzerx]

What Obamallegiance? Keep grasping at the straws. I guess when one questions the bullshit some post they get ignored. It's hard addressing the facts when the entire motivation for ones posts are based on a distorted view of reality.

Obama hasn't stonewalled shit. He took responsibility for it. A few desperate right wingers are trying to bring it up again so they can score some political points. 4 heroes... wait... what? Rather... 4 deaths a few ignorant republicans can score some brownie points on.

Obama has the record of success. Not the repeated lies and failures of the right wing and republican party.

I love how the Republican definition of stonewalling is something that was openly addressed in front of hundreds of millions of Americans in the Presidential debates.

[xbuzzerx]

Obama took responsibility for it, and was a man about it. Republicans remain angry upset children because they got destroyed on election day. It just seems to me some cannot accept defeat.

Yeah I don't get how the people here think this is some critical matter that is being hush-hushed when the voters clearly didn't think so.

[chance1]

Obama took responsibility for it, and was a man about it. Republicans remain angry upset children because they got destroyed on election day. It just seems to me some cannot accept defeat.

LOL

he "took responsibility"

the way O.J. took responsibility for Nicole's death

obamallegiance in full view

he refused to take questions from the press

he referenced it as a response to a video for about 10 days - the best was on The View with his ladies

he lied about it

he sent out susan rice to tell a story then left her for dead

he posed about it being "on him" but clearly they were empty words

no one was held accountable for it - no one lost their job - 4 men are dead

the head of the state dept. has yet to weigh in - probably soon - i imagine she's been coached well by now what to say what not to say - there has been plenty of time

obama politically won on this

as a man he lost

[xbuzzerx]

LOL

he "took responsibility"

the way O.J. took responsibility for Nicole's death

obamallegiance in full view

he refused to take questions from the press

he referenced it as a response to a video for about 10 days - the best was on The View with his ladies

he lied about it

he sent out susan rice to tell a story then left her for dead

he posed about it being "on him" but clearly they were empty words

no one was held accountable for it - no one lost their job - 4 men are dead

the head of the state dept. has yet to weigh in - probably soon - i imagine she's been coached well by now what to say what not to say - there has been plenty of time

obama politically won on this

as a man he lost

The voters en masse disagreed that any of this is what you claim it was.

Move on.

[chance1]

How about address the points I made instead of pontificating about this so called Obamallegiance?



Nope.



Doing as what the CIA said.



Nope. And there is no proof he lied about it.



Nope. Again I ask for direct proof of that.



As opposed to the empty words being posted on here?



4 men are dead? As compared to the thousands of US soldiers that died because republicans started a war they couldn't finish?



Nope. Because he was right both politically and morally. Thanks for the empty desperate rhetoric with not ONE SHRED or IOTA of proof. As if the beat down on November 6th wasn't enough.

It's very hard to take you seriously

Obama saying NOTHING

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ests-for-help/

The fact that it was an Al Qaeda attack was known the day after - The President clearly had access to the information - and he lied in the debate saying he knew it was a terror attack

make up your mind GC

your unwillingness (admitted) to reading anything but the funny papers makes u an impossible character to engage with

[xbuzzerx]

It's very hard to take you seriously

Obama saying NOTHING

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ests-for-help/

The fact that it was an Al Qaeda attack was known the day after - The President clearly had access to the information - and he lied in the debate saying he knew it was a terror attack

make up your mind GC

your unwillingness (admitted) to reading anything but the funny papers makes u an impossible character to engage with

Assuming he didn't call it a terror attack promptly this tells us what exactly?

Right. Nothing. Doesn't change a thing, doesn't bring people back from the dead.

[tigerfan482]

What I am trying to figure out is what "truth" is it that people are looking for? There's really only a few key things any of us really needs to know:

1) Our consulate in Benghazi was attacked. This was known on day one by all.
2) Our ambassador and three others were killed. This was know on day one by all.
3) We are looking for who did it. This was known on day one by all.

These are really the only things anyone needs to know. What label you attach to the people who did it is irrelevant. A few things should also be noted here:

1) If this was an election ploy, it was a poor one. Most of the truth and testimony came out before the election, so I don't see how any of this would have benefited the President anyway.
2) Diplomats and US personnel serving overseas know the risks and that their lives are in danger constantly. It's not like this guy was promised a cushy desk job and was unaware of the dangers he faced.
3) If Benghazi was known by those in the country to be so dangerous and if they needed so badly to get extra security there to make it safe, the Ambassador could have just not gone. He could have remained at the embassy in Tripoli and stayed out of harm's way. He knew the risks and the security situation before going there and chose to go anyway.
4) Mistakes were made and mistakes were admitted to. The President accepted full responsibility. I'm not exactly sure what it is the people who keep this going are after except for satisfaction of their personal vendetta against the President.
5) Some of these posts seem to invoke the whole "they're not telling us everything" conspiracy theory-type themes. A lot of details of any overseas mission and it's activities aren't shared with the public, so I wouldn't ever expect to see a lot of things people are hoping to see.

The bottom line is that we lost good Americans in Benghazi. They were aware of the risks they were taking and, unfortunately, they paid the ultimate price. It's always sad to lose Americans overseas, but to continue to use their deaths to try and attack the President and his administration over something which the recent State Department report provides complete insight into, is no more honorable than the claims that are made that the President used a cover-up of their deaths for political gain.

[Rolyo85]

What I am trying to figure out is what "truth" is it that people are looking for? There's really only a few key things any of us really needs to know:

1) Our consulate in Benghazi was attacked. This was known on day one by all.
2) Our ambassador and three others were killed. This was know on day one by all.
3) We are looking for who did it. This was known on day one by all.

These are really the only things anyone needs to know. What label you attach to the people who did it is irrelevant. A few things should also be noted here:

1) If this was an election ploy, it was a poor one. Most of the truth and testimony came out before the election, so I don't see how any of this would have benefited the President anyway.
2) Diplomats and US personnel serving overseas know the risks and that their lives are in danger constantly. It's not like this guy was promised a cushy desk job and was unaware of the dangers he faced.
3) If Benghazi was known by those in the country to be so dangerous and if they needed so badly to get extra security there to make it safe, the Ambassador could have just not gone. He could have remained at the embassy in Tripoli and stayed out of harm's way. He knew the risks and the security situation before going there and chose to go anyway.
4) Mistakes were made and mistakes were admitted to. The President accepted full responsibility. I'm not exactly sure what it is the people who keep this going are after except for satisfaction of their personal vendetta against the President.
5) Some of these posts seem to invoke the whole "they're not telling us everything" conspiracy theory-type themes. A lot of details of any overseas mission and it's activities aren't shared with the public, so I wouldn't ever expect to see a lot of things people are hoping to see.

The bottom line is that we lost good Americans in Benghazi. They were aware of the risks they were taking and, unfortunately, they paid the ultimate price. It's always sad to lose Americans overseas, but to continue to use their deaths to try and attack the President and his administration over something which the recent State Department report provides complete insight into, is no more honorable than the claims that are made that the President used a cover-up of their deaths for political gain.

This, exactly. Whenever asked what it is they actually want to hear, the answers are some ridiculous vagued-up version of "some honesty" or "the truth", but no specifics. What it is that we "need to know" that we don't already? Specifically?

Chance, keep your snide remarks of what "respected members" think to yourself. I have my observations of your status of likeability as well, and I keep them to myself because they have no part in any topic here. Of the two of us, only one has ever had his posts delayed for inspection, so I'd say this isn't a purse fight you're equipped to win.

[xbuzzerx]

Well I like Rolyo so the "NO ONE LIKES HIM" thing, sadly, is disproven.

[JayHawk]

What I am trying to figure out is what "truth" is it that people are looking for? There's really only a few key things any of us really needs to know:

1) Our consulate in Benghazi was attacked. This was known on day one by all.
2) Our ambassador and three others were killed. This was know on day one by all.
3) We are looking for who did it. This was known on day one by all.

These are really the only things anyone needs to know. What label you attach to the people who did it is irrelevant. A few things should also be noted here:

1) If this was an election ploy, it was a poor one. Most of the truth and testimony came out before the election, so I don't see how any of this would have benefited the President anyway.
2) Diplomats and US personnel serving overseas know the risks and that their lives are in danger constantly. It's not like this guy was promised a cushy desk job and was unaware of the dangers he faced.
3) If Benghazi was known by those in the country to be so dangerous and if they needed so badly to get extra security there to make it safe, the Ambassador could have just not gone. He could have remained at the embassy in Tripoli and stayed out of harm's way. He knew the risks and the security situation before going there and chose to go anyway.
4) Mistakes were made and mistakes were admitted to. The President accepted full responsibility. I'm not exactly sure what it is the people who keep this going are after except for satisfaction of their personal vendetta against the President.
5) Some of these posts seem to invoke the whole "they're not telling us everything" conspiracy theory-type themes. A lot of details of any overseas mission and it's activities aren't shared with the public, so I wouldn't ever expect to see a lot of things people are hoping to see.

The bottom line is that we lost good Americans in Benghazi. They were aware of the risks they were taking and, unfortunately, they paid the ultimate price. It's always sad to lose Americans overseas, but to continue to use their deaths to try and attack the President and his administration over something which the recent State Department report provides complete insight into, is no more honorable than the claims that are made that the President used a cover-up of their deaths for political gain.

Well dayum... I need not say anything more. Complete summary of my thoughts.

[Jack Springer]

What I am trying to figure out is what "truth" is it that people are looking for? There's really only a few key things any of us really needs to know:

1) Our consulate in Benghazi was attacked. This was known on day one by all.
2) Our ambassador and three others were killed. This was know on day one by all.
3) We are looking for who did it. This was known on day one by all.

These are really the only things anyone needs to know. What label you attach to the people who did it is irrelevant. A few things should also be noted here:

1) If this was an election ploy, it was a poor one. Most of the truth and testimony came out before the election, so I don't see how any of this would have benefited the President anyway.
2) Diplomats and US personnel serving overseas know the risks and that their lives are in danger constantly. It's not like this guy was promised a cushy desk job and was unaware of the dangers he faced.
3) If Benghazi was known by those in the country to be so dangerous and if they needed so badly to get extra security there to make it safe, the Ambassador could have just not gone. He could have remained at the embassy in Tripoli and stayed out of harm's way. He knew the risks and the security situation before going there and chose to go anyway.
4) Mistakes were made and mistakes were admitted to. The President accepted full responsibility. I'm not exactly sure what it is the people who keep this going are after except for satisfaction of their personal vendetta against the President.
5) Some of these posts seem to invoke the whole "they're not telling us everything" conspiracy theory-type themes. A lot of details of any overseas mission and it's activities aren't shared with the public, so I wouldn't ever expect to see a lot of things people are hoping to see.

The bottom line is that we lost good Americans in Benghazi. They were aware of the risks they were taking and, unfortunately, they paid the ultimate price. It's always sad to lose Americans overseas, but to continue to use their deaths to try and attack the President and his administration over something which the recent State Department report provides complete insight into, is no more honorable than the claims that are made that the President used a cover-up of their deaths for political gain.

Where were you when Nixon needed you.

[TX-Beau]

(I'M STEALING from Rolyo!!)

Nothing is silly when one inhabits the UnderBridge.

[chance1]

This, exactly. Whenever asked what it is they actually want to hear, the answers are some ridiculous vagued-up version of "some honesty" or "the truth", but no specifics. What it is that we "need to know" that we don't already? Specifically?

Chance, keep your snide remarks of what "respected members" think to yourself. I have my observations of your status of likeability as well, and I keep them to myself because they have no part in any topic here. Of the two of us, only one has ever had his posts delayed for inspection, so I'd say this isn't a purse fight you're equipped to win.

Abraham Lincoln - great President - great man

he said

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

another free bit of advice

as for Hills and the "report"

it proves a high level of incompetency on this matter - and it proves that no one was truly held accountable - the Obama administration is big on words but not so much on substance - his puffy chested "it's on me" is like a guy who steps into a skirmish w/o any real intent to fight - that's the Pres.

no one was held accountable

tiger - your piece is as if it's a fictional what if story

it was not

and the President, as he has shown for 4 years now - is not a leader - he's a talker

[xbuzzerx]

Ait proves a high level of incompetency on this matter - and it proves that no one was truly held accountable - the Obama administration is big on words but not so much on substance - his puffy chested "it's on me" is like a guy who steps into a skirmish w/o any real intent to fight - that's the Pres.

no one was held accountable

So what is it you want, Obama dragged in chains in triumphal procession?

[xbuzzerx]

Selective amnesia that the standard Republican posture has been admit no mistake, ever, show no sign of weakness, ever. Plausible deniability forever. Gitmo. Abu Ghraib. WMD in Iraq.

Apparently that's all = "Mistakes were made. The buck stops here, I am responsible."

[Rolyo85]

Chance, why do you give advice you are laughably incapable of following? Your smug superior tone fools nobody but yourself, and even that poorly, I'd wager.

As for the topic, you did not answer the question - WHAT have we not been told? HOW is this a conspiracy? WHAT information is being hidden?

[chance1]

Was he a great man when he suspended Habaeus Corpus?



Actually it proves nothing. And big on words? I'll leave that to the GOP. All words, all rhetoric and no substance. Stop putting that shit on Obama when it's really the other side doing it.



Actually they did take responsibility.



Totally wrong. He has showed leadership leading this country out one of the worst recessions in decades. All the right wing can do is shoot off their mouths with more talking points. Talking points seem to be the popular theme around here today.

Abraham Lincoln is regarded VERY favorably by most all - just beginning to read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on him - if you want to throw stones (it's all u do) find another historical figure GC - if u want any shred of cred

I don't shit on Obama - I just point out problems I have with his (lack of) accountability and leadership

No one lost their job - they just shuffled the deck chairs on The Titanic - still hit the ice

Read Bob Woodward's book on Obama - his personality, his (lack of) leadership, his dislike for people/politics

try to expand your limited horizons

Skins/Seahawks - not sure who to root for

[xbuzzerx]

Abraham Lincoln is regarded VERY favorably by most all - just beginning to read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on him - if you want to throw stones (it's all u do) find another historical figure GC - if u want any shred of cred

I don't shit on Obama - I just point out problems I have with his (lack of) accountability and leadership

No one lost their job - they just shuffled the deck chairs on The Titanic - still hit the ice

Read Bob Woodward's book on Obama - his personality, his (lack of) leadership, his dislike for people/politics

try to expand your limited horizons

Skins/Seahawks - not sure who to root for

Pick the person you feel is most responsible, and pretend Obama promoted them.

That'd be a good picture of Republican accountability.

[chance1]

Chance, why do you give advice you are laughably incapable of following? Your smug superior tone fools nobody but yourself, and even that poorly, I'd wager.

As for the topic, you did not answer the question - WHAT have we not been told? HOW is this a conspiracy? WHAT information is being hidden?

i enjoy getting advice - self improvement is a wonderful thing - if it's authentically offered i accept it

and if i can help someone get over the hump, why not - we're all on this earth aren't we ?

no smug or superior here - i'm actually humble and insecure

the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks
it was an inconvenient truth - it was politics - this isn't new - just unseemly
pres. obama ran in 2008 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making

he's a complete phony and this is another example

but i won't "let it go" as it's clear what really happened

[xbuzzerx]

i enjoy getting advice - self improvement is a wonderful thing - if it's authentically offered i accept it

and if i can help someone get over the hump, why not - we're all on this earth aren't we ?

no smug or superior here - i'm actually humble and insecure

the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks
it was an inconvenient truth - it was politics - this isn't new - just unseemly
pres. obama ran in 2008 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making

he's a complete phony and this is another example

but i won't "let it go" as it's clear what really happened

If he let a war run for the length of his entire Presidency under that lie, we'd have a real case that some actual, real harm was done by the purported 'lie for two whole weeks.'

[Rolyo85]

the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks
it was an inconvenient truth - it was politics - this isn't new - just unseemly
pres. obama ran in 2008 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making

he's a complete phony and this is another example

Wait, so we've now been told everything, but you're bitching because we weren't given all the sensitive information as the administration was receiving it and possibly before even going through it? Damn this Obama and his Communist agenda of not sharing sensitive military information with the unwashed prols the second he gets it!!!

It's laughable. Basically you're admitting to beating a dead horse, because when they were killing it, they weren't totally honest and clear in the method from the get go.

but i won't "let it go" as it's clear what really happened

Huh? It's clear what happened, but you won't let go? I am more and more confused. The underbridge is dark and full of terror.

i'm actually humble and insecure

Yes, I know.

[tigerfan482]

Abraham Lincoln - great President - great man

he said

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"

another free bit of advice

as for Hills and the "report"

it proves a high level of incompetency on this matter - and it proves that no one was truly held accountable - the Obama administration is big on words but not so much on substance - his puffy chested "it's on me" is like a guy who steps into a skirmish w/o any real intent to fight - that's the Pres.

no one was held accountable

tiger - your piece is as if it's a fictional what if story

it was not

and the President, as he has shown for 4 years now - is not a leader - he's a talker

So what is your definition of accountability? Maybe the President should resign? If that's the case, then every president since Nixon should have resigned. In fact, assuming you're basing your requirement of accountability on the fact that Americans were killed while in dangerous foreign countries, you could safely say every president since George Washington should have resigned.

It's easy to sit back and make overarching, generalized statements like "there needs to be accountability" or "the President is a terrible leader", but your position lacks any kind of credence or substance if you can't articulate what it is you want to see. Honestly, I don't think those that constantly make statements like this will ever be satisfied with anything the President does because it doesn't serve the underlying issue of them just not liking the guy. They will find anything to seize on and just run with it.

And my piece reads as an event that actually happened that a group of people are reading as a fictional what-if that has some sinister back story where some evil government is attempting to deceive it's citizens. You and everyone else knew from day one that Americans were killed by bad people. Maybe you were expecting all of the details to emerge right then, but time to investigate exactly what happened needed to occur. You had Republicans attacking the administration just hours after the event occurred without having any of the facts themselves. They screamed for an explanation and answers immediately when the facts weren't fully known and then attacked the initial assessment (which was clearly described as such in every interview and press conference after it was given) of what went on when it was given.

[xbuzzerx]

It's easy to sit back and make overarching, generalized statements like "there needs to be accountability" or "the President is a terrible leader", but your position lacks any kind of credence or substance if you can't articulate what it is you want to see. Honestly, I don't think those that constantly make statements like this will ever be satisfied with anything the President does because it doesn't serve the underlying issue of them just not liking the guy. They will find anything to seize on and just run with it.

This addresses not just this thread... but a majority of the threads created by the poster in question.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Selective amnesia that the standard Republican posture has been admit no mistake, ever, show no sign of weakness, ever. Plausible deniability forever. Gitmo. Abu Ghraib. WMD in Iraq.

Apparently that's all = "Mistakes were made. The buck stops here, I am responsible."

Don't forget Iran-Contra.

"I don't recall"