Attack on American Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi [MERGED]

[JayHawk]

Dude she has a blood clot in her head. Your irrationally based fear probably means you believe the Clinton's killed all those in their way. That makes you like a post removed from an Ambrocious tin foil hat thread.... but carry on with your delusions. It is rather amusing...

[chance1]

^ your concern is duly noted but odd given your lack of concern for individuals NOT connected with the administration

Examples include: Ambassador Stevens and Jon Hammar

Sorta selective no ?

Interesting that she traveled more than any other SOS

Wasn't anyone looking after her ?

[Jack Springer]

Dude she has a blood clot in her head. Your irrationally based fear probably means you believe the Clinton's killed all those in their way. That makes you like a post removed from an Ambrocious tin foil hat thread.... but carry on with your delusions. It is rather amusing...

Selective caring indeed Jayhawk. I don't find death amusing at all.

[chrisrobin]

Selective caring indeed Jayhawk. I don't find death amusing at all.

Please re-read. Comment posted says that your delusions are amusing, not death. Actually, I don't find delusions amusing either... unless they're mine.

[chance1]

Please re-read. Comment posted says that your delusions are amusing, not death. Actually, I don't find delusions amusing either... unless they're mine.

there's a back story you seem to have missed

delusions can do that sometimes

Happy New Year Chris

[Jack Springer]

Please re-read. Comment posted says that your delusions are amusing, not death. Actually, I don't find delusions amusing either... unless they're mine.

Jayhawk is just trying to be funny but just embarrassed himself. He separates his concern for H. Clinton from his non-concern for Hammar, Ambassador Stevens and the 3 security guards killed in Benghazi -- where he has showed a complete lack of concern and caring.

[chance1]

More news on Benghazi - not so good

Lots of good stuff here but simple stupid is that it is CLEAR that in the MONTHS leading up to the attack and murder of 4 American citizens ........ there was LOTS and AMPLE intel that said the situation was increasingly dangerous and unstable - that an attack was likely - the info was there - AND NOTHING WAS DONE

the intel suggested increased security or closing it - neither was done

This particular comment by the author hit home .......... BINGO !! and speaks to the crux of the misgivings about the Administration's handling of the situation

But once again we have to ask: Where was the president? Did any of this make it into his briefings? As in domestic budget fights, President Obama is always there to take a victory lap but never around when things go wrong. Congress should demand a full accounting from him and condition confirmation of new senior officials and of appropriations on getting that full accounting.

well we know where the Pres. was - where he is most all the time - CAMPAIGNING

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...nghazi-report/

[rareboy]

Selective caring indeed Jayhawk. I don't find death amusing at all.

Oh no.

You are so much better than all of us who find death positively hilarious.

Oh, that we could only aspire to be the only caring person in the world...just like you.

Fucking sanctimonious BS.

[chance1]

Oh no.

You are so much better than all of us who find death positively hilarious.

Oh, that we could only aspire to be the only caring person in the world...just like you.

Fucking sanctimonious BS.

in line with "Obama hatred"

the idea if u say things enough ........ they somehow have credence .......... but they don't

and this doesn't

Jack's point is SPOT ON

just because your empathy quotient is nil ......... doesn't make someone who cares about human life over politics sanctimonious

just makes them more human is all

I hope real change is made so that what happened in Benghazi is not repeated ........

[JayHawk]

^ your concern is duly noted but odd given your lack of concern for individuals NOT connected with the administration

Examples include: Ambassador Stevens and Jon Hammar

Sorta selective no ?

Interesting that she traveled more than any other SOS

Wasn't anyone looking after her ?

She didnt choose a blood clot now did she? Not like Stevens who chose to go to Benghazi violating his own protocols, allowed to because of who he was and with full knowledge of the continued terror activity in the region because each of those reports crossed his desk. Similarly, the Marine chose to take a shotgun into Mexico and found out it was illegal.

Choice is a bitch aint it? Let me ask you a very sensitive subject on a gay chat room. The first folks who dies of HIV and then AIDS were victims but now after decades of dealing with the plague can you honestly say that the youth today are not making a conscious choice to risk infection and all of the issues associated? Are they victims or did they choose?

[JayHawk]

just because your empathy quotient is nil ......... doesn't make someone who cares about human life over politics sanctimonious

Every post you make has one of two characteristics... it is always anti whatever the prevailing opinion in CEP and when challeneged you always focus on the poster instead of the subject... Sanctimonious bullshit indeed.

[xbuzzerx]

No snap. Just your limp noodle.

The Clintons have a history of promoting themselves through effective lying and manipulating the American people and the press. You and chrisrobin trying to change the story does nothing but prove my point.

Neocons, I beg you, I entreat you, I come before you as a supplicant.

Direct your outrage into something that remotely deserves it. Stop pouring all of your energy into these fake controversies that do nothing but make you look this desperate to find something actually bad about the opposition. If there's actual bad focus on that. Or better yet focus on something that actually matters. You would not have given two shits about who died in the Benghazi Embassy if this were 2002 and Bush were President. You didn't. None of those embassy attacks during W Bush were controversies or even blips on the radar.

Just stop. As GC said it's embarrassing.

[Just_Believe18]

You're not listening. The Clintons have a history of doing things to avoid trouble for themselves. The will go to the extremes in trying to get out of trouble.

Remember "I did not have sex with that woman", "vast right wing conspiracy", "I do not remember"

I am listening. You are behaving irrationally where your insistence on this conspiracy theory is calling into question your sanity. Hillary Clinton was very ill and sustained a concussion from falling. She is now being treated for a blood clot in her head that potentially was life threatening. It is a very serious issue, and it involves parties of officials, doctors, and journalists that are too big to be orchestrated as some kind of "pretend health issue." Show some respect to our Secretary of State and former First Lady.

[Rolyo85]

Respect? It's only time for respect when the Sanctimonious Few have to accuse someone of not having it.

[chance1]

Every post you make has one of two characteristics... it is always anti whatever the prevailing opinion in CEP and when challeneged you always focus on the poster instead of the subject... Sanctimonious bullshit indeed.

actually chief i was responding to rareboy - who focused on Jack

i agreed with jack in this instance and thus chimed in

that's how it works

so get used to it

as for "anti prevailing opinion" i'd say your #s are good there

as for the characteristics of YOUR posts

I'd say your perception of your own grandness is wildly out of control

I'd say many agree with me too

[xbuzzerx]

actually chief i was responding to rareboy - who focused on Jack

i agreed with jack in this instance and thus chimed in

that's how it works

so get used to it

as for "anti prevailing opinion" i'd say your #s are good there

as for the characteristics of YOUR posts

I'd say your perception of your own grandness is wildly out of control

I'd say many agree with me too

What you two both have in common is you throw out slanted conclusions and can't defend any of them. You in particular then just respond with a slap at the poster himself who is calling out your conclusions.

[chance1]

What you two both have in common is you throw out slanted conclusions and can't defend any of them. You in particular then just respond with a slap at the poster himself who is calling out your conclusions.

a third POV - how lovely

anyone else care to share ?

as for Hills ............ eventually she'll have to answer to the questions

just not now

and I love you Jack ............. but I think Bolton and some (not many) and your thoughts about her not really being sick is not right - esp. now with the clot

but i do believe in bad karma

and she has it on this stinker of a sitch (for JH)

[Jack Springer]

I am listening. You are behaving irrationally where your insistence on this conspiracy theory is calling into question your sanity. Hillary Clinton was very ill and sustained a concussion from falling. She is now being treated for a blood clot in her head that potentially was life threatening. It is a very serious issue, and it involves parties of officials, doctors, and journalists that are too big to be orchestrated as some kind of "pretend health issue." Show some respect to our Secretary of State and former First Lady.

You're still not getting it -- it's what the Clintons do. They promote themselves and will lie to do it. Always have.

If she's actually sick, then I wish her well -- but her sickness comes at a strange time.

[Jack Springer]

What you two both have in common is you throw out slanted conclusions and can't defend any of them. You in particular then just respond with a slap at the poster himself who is calling out your conclusions.

Slanted conclusions? Since September 2012, H. Clinton has made many excuses not to testify before Congress. She finally sent some aids -- got the flu and fell -- but didn't go to the doctor -- after several weeks she goes to the doctor, instead of the doctor coming to here this time for a followup checkup -- and the doctors find a blood clot.

If someone at work that reported to you had a story like that --- would you believe them?

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Slanted conclusions? Since September 2012, H. Clinton has made many excuses not to testify before Congress. She finally sent some aids -- got the flu and fell -- but didn't go to the doctor -- after several weeks she goes to the doctor, instead of the doctor coming to here this time for a followup checkup -- and the doctors find a blood clot.

If someone at work that reported to you had a story like that --- would you believe them?

If they have proof of seeing the doctor for such conditions, then yes, I would believe them.

...but the Obama Hate Squad conveniently overlooks proof* in lieu of Fox News Talking Points or the latest conspiracy BS cooked up by the corpse of Andrew Breitbart.

*http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politi...zed/index.html, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-head/1801563/, http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary...ry?id=18101213

[xbuzzerx]

If they have proof of seeing the doctor for such conditions, then yes, I would believe them.

...but the Obama Hate Squad conveniently overlooks proof* in lieu of Fox News Talking Points or the latest conspiracy BS cooked up by the corpse of Andrew Breitbart.

*http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politi...zed/index.html, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-head/1801563/, http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hillary...ry?id=18101213

What's proof?

[FuryOfFirestorm]

What's proof?

You know, like a doctor's note, or copies of the MRI scans. Unless of course, your doctor was paid by the Secret Democrat Conspiracy To Keep Hillary From Testifying About Benghazi Even Though She Hasn't Even Been Served A Subpoena Yet. (or just SDCTKHFTABETSHEBSASY for short).

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[Sausy]

Slanted conclusions? Since September 2012, H. Clinton has made many excuses not to testify before Congress. She finally sent some aids -- got the flu and fell -- but didn't go to the doctor -- after several weeks she goes to the doctor, instead of the doctor coming to here this time for a followup checkup -- and the doctors find a blood clot.

If someone at work that reported to you had a story like that --- would you believe them?

If it was a Republican, would they believe them? Of course not. It seemed TOO convenient. Then again, at worst most of the stellar pundits here would say if State neglected Benghazi it was fully due to Republican efforts to slash security budgets for our embassies and offices around the world...which in truth VASTLY oversimplified the case...Democrats voted for it in greater numbers than Republicans AND there was a lot of unspent money that could have been dedicated to emergency situations. State could have pushed to have funds reallocated but chose not to. In the Senate report released this past weekend it was clear State did nothing to deal with a clearly deteriorating security situation over the past few months before the attack on the consulate. The Brits and even the Red Cross abandoned the city....if we weren't going to increase security detail there we should have left. It was so predictable what was going to happen, so senseless...those who don't even see that I would never want to place anywhere near a situation that could fall apart like Benghazi did.

[xbuzzerx]

If it was a Republican, would they believe them? Of course not.

If they were Republican Benghazi wouldn't have had testimony in the first place because no one cared about the multiple lethal embassy attacks during 8 years of Bush. Only when it was something they thought they could use as an 11th hour gotcha moment in the campaign was it fabricated into national news by the right wing spin machine.

[JayHawk]

True Buzzer. A much more consequential republican SoS lied to congress about Iraq and we ended up in a war that cost thousands of lives. That investigation took almost four years and NO ONE was held accountable.

So Sausy you are correct if it was a republican then republicans would not hold them accountable.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomat

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb. One killed and 13 wounded.

March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

Remember when Condi Rice, Karl Rove, or any of GWB's cabinet were grilled about those deaths?

Oh, that's right. No one gave a shit until Obama took office, and now suddenly the GOP is "concerned" and requires answers right now.

[frankfrank]

^ Well, hellfire...NOT ONLY didn't anybody give a shit, but some of these things I NEVER EVEN HEARD ABOUT. I have been paying a LOT of attention to politics during this entire century.

I was paying a lot of attention to politics before some people in here were even BORN.

Maybe even before their PARENTS were born...

It's not like I wouldn't have noticed these things if they had been mentioned.

But this shit happened under Republicans, so it was okay.

[JayHawk]

That is what is astonishing Frank. I have followed politics every since I could understand what was going on while we sat around rhe family dinner table watching the news each night. Remember the CBS evening news with Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw on NBC and ABC with Peter Jennings? I sure as hell do....

Anyways SIX of the posted terrorist events occurred WHILE I was here at JUB. Yet not a single word about holding anyone accountable from these mavens of republican justice. Seems a bit ironic that the never gonna die republican party that crushed the democrats in loyalty has sunk so low it cannot even find proper scandals to get worked up over.

[xbuzzerx]

That is what is astonishing Frank. I have followed politics every since I could understand what was going on while we sat around rhe family dinner table watching the news each night. Remember the CBS evening news with Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw on NBC and ABC with Peter Jennings? I sure as hell do....

Anyways SIX of the posted terrorist events occurred WHILE I was here at JUB. Yet not a single word about holding anyone accountable from these mavens of republican justice. Seems a bit ironic that the never gonna die republican party that crushed the democrats in loyalty has sunk so low it cannot even find proper scandals to get worked up over.

It's part of the way they create this sensation of false equivalency in the mainstream dialogue between the "bad" of the two parties/politics in general. The actual controversies, wrongdoings, cheap partisanship or whatever else doesn't actually have to be equal. Just squeal so hard, so loud, and so often that it is that anyone not paying a ton of attention can't tell the difference anymore.

Yes, they create these because they don't have anything legitimate to get outraged about. Monica Lewinsky 2.0.

[Jack Springer]

That is what is astonishing Frank. I have followed politics every since I could understand what was going on while we sat around rhe family dinner table watching the news each night. Remember the CBS evening news with Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw on NBC and ABC with Peter Jennings? I sure as hell do....

Anyways SIX of the posted terrorist events occurred WHILE I was here at JUB. Yet not a single word about holding anyone accountable from these mavens of republican justice. Seems a bit ironic that the never gonna die republican party that crushed the democrats in loyalty has sunk so low it cannot even find proper scandals to get worked up over.

What are the names of the Ambassadors murdered in those previous attacks?

Did the Administration at the time make up a story (like a crazy unheard video) about what caused the attacks?

Did the Administration at the time totally abandon the embassy or consulate leaving it alone for months?

Was the embassy or consulate located in a country where there was just recently a civil war and the country was unsettled and very dangerous?

[xbuzzerx]

What are the names of the Ambassadors murdered in those previous attacks?

Did the Administration at the time make up a story (like a crazy unheard video) about what caused the attacks?

Did the Administration at the time totally abandon the embassy or consulate leaving it alone for months?

Was the embassy or consulate located in a country where there was just recently a civil war and the country was unsettled and very dangerous?

They didn't have to say anything about it whatsoever becuase none of you gave a crap when it was under Bush.

[chance1]

What are the names of the Ambassadors murdered in those previous attacks?

Did the Administration at the time make up a story (like a crazy unheard video) about what caused the attacks?

Did the Administration at the time totally abandon the embassy or consulate leaving it alone for months?

Was the embassy or consulate located in a country where there was just recently a civil war and the country was unsettled and very dangerous?

Jack just Rambo-d y'all

quite a blood letting.

Much like Boehner's GFY to "word is out" asswipe Dirty Harry.

Sometimes it's gotta be done.

I hear Hills is out of the hospital.

Great news.

Can't wait to hear her version

[xbuzzerx]

Nah, he didn't. He just asked a series of questions no one, including you two, asked during embassy attacks before Obama.

Give up the faux outrage.

Chance please see post #163.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

One of the main reasons all sane people know this is not a scandal is that when asked directly what the "scandal" is, no one seems to be able to give you a direct answer. The best they can do is say 'Obama lied' without the ability to actually show where he 'lied', like typical children.

So what are they hoping for with Clinton, that she will define the 'scandal' for them?

Meanwhile, Bush II & Co. used lies and distortions to start a war that killed thousands and cost billions, but I don't hear any Republicans demanding to have Karl Rove or Dick Cheney answer for those lies.

[xbuzzerx]

So what are they hoping for with Clinton, that she will define the 'scandal' for them?

Yes. She obviously faked a blood clot to hide SOMETHING.

[JayHawk]

What are the names of the Ambassadors murdered in those previous attacks?

Ambassadors inhaling and exhaling is better than the rest of the American citizenry? Unlike the leaders in those other situations this Ambassador failed to follow protocol and placed himself in danger because he had done it before and survived.

Did the Administration at the time make up a story (like a crazy unheard video) about what caused the attacks?

They made up no story. Simultaneous demonstrations occurred because the video and there was thought to be a link at first and that thought came from the intelligence community. The only conspiracy is how republicans conspired to try and make this an election year issue. it came off as a very poor taste political ad to almost every American.

Did the Administration at the time totally abandon the embassy or consulate leaving it alone for months?

Please explain this remark?? If you mean the CIA refusing to act to keep their compound location obscure then that was described in the investigation. If you mean the supposed failure of military action that 'theory' was also thoroughly debunked by the investigation.

Was the embassy or consulate located in a country where there was just recently a civil war and the country was unsettled and very dangerous?

Most of those incidents happened in Pakistan which has been teetering into oblivion since well before we invaded Afghanistan. In fact, the only reason the government that is in power has remained as such is because we have paid trillions to keep them there.

I would post a picture of grasping for straws but you know what they look like.... you reach for them every day....

How about the facts of the situation. Why do you suppose a special CIA mission was located in Benghazi? A mission described as being on the ground to acquire more data on terrorist groups in the nation and to help locate missing SAMs? Why do you suppose such a entity would be located in Beghazi? How about a simple question. Would you go look for bears and coyotes in New York City or would you go to Alaska?

Utter childish ignorance on this matter. The only people making shit up about this are on the right. Now they have embarrassingly failed to apologize for making false claims about the SoS's health. This shit and the people whom you support are reaching the same level of ridiculous that the conspiracy folks quoted by Ambrocious. For most of America you all have the same credibility.

Although i highly encourage you to keep it up. As was previously predicted the Tea Party is doing enough damage to America that they lost hand over foot. Adding in the recent mainstream failure of the GOP and one can easily envision the utter demise of that radical conspiracy fed group of america haters.

[Jack Springer]

Nah, he didn't. He just asked a series of questions no one, including you two, asked during embassy attacks before Obama.

Give up the faux outrage.

Chance please see post #163.

.... waiting for the answers.

[xbuzzerx]

.... waiting for the answers.

Waiting for you to realize you didn't even ask the questions in 2000-2008.

Think about it. Think about it. Wait for it.

[Jack Springer]

JH --

1. What you're saying is that the Ambassador was stupid. How do we know that he wasn't following orders to be in Benghazi? The Obama Administration does not want to talk about it or take questions.

2. The Administration made up a story about the video and blamed the attack on it. The held to the story for weeks.

3. The US Consulate in Benghazi was abandoned -- there were still classified papers on the ground around the consulate weeks after the attack. I'm sure you remember yourself getting upset that a CNN crew returned a personal journal to the family of one of the men that was murdered.

4. Pakistan is still a country and is not in civil war.

My questions and remarks are not childish. Your comments don't answer the questions.

For your benefit ... I've attached an image of you, JayHawk grasping for straws . . . . . .

[FuryOfFirestorm]

I keep hearing stuff about how the administration lied for two weeks, but we get no rationale for it, there are no dire consequences of said lies, it got corrected, people got "removed", the failures are being looked at and corrected.......I don't get it at all. There's nothing you shills can hang your hat on, nothing. Noone died as a result of the incorrect story, we're not invading another country as a result, we didn't sever diplomatic relations with a country, we're not throwing ludicrous sums of money at anything, there are simply zero negative consequences to this in the slightest. Let's go way out on a limb, and say everyone involved knew exactly what went on over there from minute zero, and yet still repeated an incorrect reason for the attack for two weeks. That's worst case scenario....and still means exactly nothing, as there were no consequences to it, making the case for bald-faced lying very, very slim indeed. And that's assuming the administration 100% knowingly bald-faced lied about it, not had communication failures with stories, didn't update briefings, forgot to update someone, someone flat out wasn't very involved with what was going on and should have been, etc. Which said things are indeed negative and incompetent, but they got corrected, nothing bad happened as a result, and they learned from it.

[FuryOfFirestorm]

On Sept. 11, people around the world began demonstrating and even rioting due to the trailer (there is no actual film, just a long trailer). Most notably in Egypt where the embassy staff put out a few tweets condemning the "film". This was (originally) the outrage and impeachable offense.

Rioting also broke out in Libya, specifically in Benghazi. At the time and in the fog, many people reasonably believed that they were rioting in Libya for the same reasons. On 9/12 Obama mentioned nothing about the YouTube clip, but instead said "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for.". In addition to make me some tea's timeline, this also was an impeachable offense because "acts of terror" is way different than "terrorist acts" for some reason.

Then on 9/16, Susan Rice (who was Ambassador to the UN, and therefore would have had zero knowledge or influence on the situation in Libya, and therefore could only repeat what point she had been told) said:
"Well, Jake, first of all, it's important to know that there's an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired. But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous -- not a premeditated -- response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated.

We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to -- or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in -- in the wake of the revolution in Libya are -- are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there. We'll wait to see exactly what the investigation finally confirms, but that's the best information we have at present."

Ultimately, it was proven that it was not the YouTube clip, and that the Intelligence folks were already pretty sure of that, but in order to not burn assets on the ground, chose to prepare remarks that implied that it may be the video, while explicitly stating that it might not be the video.

Shortly thereafter, the Administration stopped mentioning the video, while John McCain, Lindsay Graham and wing-nut bloggers screamed about it not being the video for the next 3.5 months.

Meanwhile most of the rumors that were so scandalous weren't true. Obama did send help, it just couldn't make it in time. Obama didn't watch them die while snorting coke off Bill Ayers buttocks. There was such a "big cover-up" that the Administration accepted an independent review that said that several senior staff members made mistakes in judgment that left the staff in Benghazi vulnerable. A report that the state department accepted without issue. 4 people have been fired for it.

In the meantime "Scandal" has been defined down to mean "every bad decision ever". "Cover-up" has been defined down to mean "ever making a statement that may not be 100% correct, regardless of whether you are lying, protecting someone or repeating a statement you have no way of proving the veracity of".

[JayHawk]

JH --

1. What you're saying is that the Ambassador was stupid. How do we know that he wasn't following orders to be in Benghazi? The Obama Administration does not want to talk about it or take questions.

the investigated account endorsed by BOTH parties of our nation's congress tells the story quite clearly. DO tell me you have read it end to end and can still make such empty statements? He chose to go to that location of his OWN FREE WILL and even failed to inform his own staff he was doing so. Reads the fucking investigation instead of fox news and you might join us in reality land.

2. The Administration made up a story about the video and blamed the attack on it. The held to the story for weeks.

that is all you get for repeating lies buddy.

3. The US Consulate in Benghazi was abandoned -- there were still classified papers on the ground around the consulate weeks after the attack. I'm sure you remember yourself getting upset that a CNN crew returned a personal journal to the family of one of the men that was murdered.

Again read the fucking report. You have no idea what you are talking about.

4. Pakistan is still a country and is not in civil war.

Do you actually read? Have you any idea the status of what is going on in Pakistan? The ONLY reason that country isnt in a civil war is because they have nukes and so the entire rest of the world keep their military leadership in power. The one viable challenger was killed in a dual terrorist attack that was determined to be sanctioned by the government. What a safe easy to operate place. They had OBL hanging out in the hood. And you think Benghazi had terrorist in hiding.... please dude.

EDIT: BTW refusing to accept the answers the rest of the world has accepted is childish.

[Jack Springer]

Childish is still trying to defend something you cannot. The State Department and the Obama Administration fucked up.

[JayHawk]

That is the first somewhat honest thing you have said. The state department and Obama's administration fucked up. I agree. The rest of your claims including the reason this thread was started, an insane ploy that Hillary Clinton faked her illness to avoid testifying.

You know how I know that is some crazy fucking shit? The idea started out of the mouth of Allen West.

[chance1]

That is the first somewhat honest thing you have said. The state department and Obama's administration fucked up. I agree. The rest of your claims including the reason this thread was started, an insane ploy that Hillary Clinton faked her illness to avoid testifying.

You know how I know that is some crazy fucking shit? The idea started out of the mouth of Allen West.

well it's only taken you what several months? to admit the obvious ?

that the State Dept. run by Hillary Clinton
and the Admin. which is the "boss" of the State Dept.
fucked up

prior to this your narrative is that all was fine save for Ambassador Steven's mismanagement and stupidity which caused his own death the death of others

not sure why you're changing your tune now

and i'm not sure what u really believe

[xbuzzerx]

well it's only taken you what several months? to admit the obvious ?

Obama said in the debate that mistakes were made.

Romney failed to pull a gotcha moment and so did you.

[chance1]

Obama said in the debate that mistakes were made.

Romney failed to pull a gotcha moment and so did you.

LOL

that's like someone in hell saying its a little hot

[xbuzzerx]

LOL

that's like someone in hell saying its a little hot

What exactly is it that you're looking for?

We reject this ridiculous claim that there was a huge conspiracy and coverup because you offer absolutely no proof for it. (And because it's ridiculous.) So you're not going to hear anyone say "yeah, you guys are right, they planned this all along and tripped Hillary down a flight of stairs to give her brain damage so she could get out of testifying."

What do you want? You get up on this martyr cross about how the 85% around here defend anything about Obama but Obama himself said mistakes were made. If you claim it was anything more than that, substantiate it. Otherwise take a hike.

[chance1]

What exactly is it that you're looking for?

We reject this ridiculous claim that there was a huge conspiracy and coverup because you offer absolutely no proof for it. (And because it's ridiculous.) So you're not going to hear anyone say "yeah, you guys are right, they planned this all along and tripped Hillary down a flight of stairs to give her brain damage so she could get out of testifying."

What do you want? You get up on this martyr cross about how the 85% around here defend anything about Obama but Obama himself said mistakes were made. If you claim it was anything more than that, substantiate it. Otherwise take a hike.

I expected and expect:

The truth - not when it's convenient - but when it's available
The demonstration story was BS from day 1 - and it dishonors the dead

My POV is that Obama and his team knew that the real story was a loser especially given the upcoming election
My POV is that Hillary wanted no part of the "story" - she did not provide much "support" for the story in the days/weeks after
I don't doubt Hillary's illness - it's a brain clot - what caused it i have no idea - i believe in good and bad karma and this perhaps was the latter

take a hike?

dude - your race to 1800 posts has been tragic

cya

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I expected and expect:

The truth - not when it's convenient - but when it's available
The demonstration story was BS from day 1 - and it dishonors the dead

My POV is that Obama and his team knew that the real story was a loser especially given the upcoming election
My POV is that Hillary wanted no part of the "story" - she did not provide much "support" for the story in the days/weeks after
I don't doubt Hillary's illness - it's a brain clot - what caused it i have no idea - i believe in good and bad karma and this perhaps was the latter

take a hike?

dude - your race to 1800 posts has been tragic

cya

So your point is that during election years politicians engage in damage control and that really, really bugs you when a Democrat does it? What Romney himself tried to pull in the debates-- that Obama had somehow "hidden" that this was a terrorist attack when he'd mentioned those very words in his first address on the topic-- was fiction, as is your outrage here over nothing.

I don't even know why you've bothered with 20,000 posts when you virtually never say anything. It's just pretzel shaped unsupported vitriol for the left.