Kerry for the next Secretary of State?

[rareboy]

Well. with the removal of the possibility of Susan Rice as the next secretary of state, it surely has to be time to get on with the right wing bashing of Kerry as the next prospect.

So to our growing numbers of right wing 'posters' in this forum, let's get at it.

Why is Kerry the worst possible choice and why would his nomination only underscore the fact that Obama wants to destroy America.

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[Ben1]

Very good choice!

[maxpowr9]

They want Kerry so it frees up his senate seat to get the GOP shill Brown back into office. I really do not think there is a viable Democrat in my state outside of Patrick who wants the job [he doesn't]. Politics is just one massive game of chess; moving pieces around to win.

[scream4ever]

Brown won't get back in office. His time in politics is up.

[frankfrank]

Yes, the Republicans were going to MAKE SURE that Rice wouldn't survive the process, because they want a Republican Senator from Massachusetts (who will, most likely, become "permanent" in 2014 after he runs as the temporary incumbent and wins against whatever Democrat is competing).

The Senate is important...I'VE ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER...WHY IN THE FUCK do political Parties (ESPECIALLY Democrats) love to steal Senators for other purposes? Leave the goddam Senate alone!! I don't know...it really pisses me off that the Democrats keep doing this. It wouldn't surprise me if they steal one or two MORE Democratic Senators for other positions as well, and it also wouldn't surprise me if they steal a Democrat from some state like North Dakota, either (where the replacement would almost certainly become a Republican).

This is one of the most stupid political things that the DNC (or, in this case, the President) does. The Republicans aren't quite as stupid as this, they just do it less often. (THINK: Robert Dole, John McCain...I don't think they had any current Senators in the 2012 mix, so maybe they've learned, and Michele Bachmann from the House of Representatives is not as crucial.)

Scream4ever, I hope you're right. Is Brown on the A-list of whatever Republican is most likely to be appointed? That's how Mass. works, right - that a replacement is appointed and ratified initially?

[chance1]

Well. with the removal of the possibility of Susan Rice as the next secretary of state, it surely has to be time to get on with the right wing bashing of Kerry as the next prospect.

So to our growing numbers of right wing 'posters' in this forum, let's get at it.

Why is Kerry the worst possible choice and why would his nomination only underscore the fact that Obama wants to destroy America.

3...2...1

A baiting mess of a thread

[Just_Believe18]

John Kerry is a blue-blood elitist of the Democrat party. He's part of the cozy politics system in Washington. I don't agree with the notion that just because you're a veteran politician of the party, that you are somehow an expert or qualified to be nominated for Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State.

[frankfrank]

Originally Posted by rareboy

Well. with the removal of the possibility of Susan Rice as the next secretary of state, it surely has to be time to get on with the right wing bashing of Kerry as the next prospect.

So to our growing numbers of right wing 'posters' in this forum, let's get at it.

Why is Kerry the worst possible choice and why would his nomination only underscore the fact that Obama wants to destroy America.

3...2...1

A baiting mess of a thread

It wouldn't surprise me if the confirmation vote is UNANIMOUS (or nearly so) AYE's from the Republicans. They want Kerry out of that Senate seat...BADLY. Whatever it takes.

After all, if that nomination fails, Obama will "just" nominate ANOTHER Democrat...who, just possibly, MAY NOT cause a Senate seat to become vacant.

[MisterMajestic]

After all, if that nomination fails, Obama will "just" nominate ANOTHER Democrat...who, just possibly, MAY NOT cause a Senate seat to become vacant.

We all know Kerry will get it because he's beyond qualified and Obama owes it to'em after the 2004 DNC convention where Kerry gave him a pat-on-the Butt..Had Kerry gone with someone else for the Keynote address it would have taken Obama longer to make it to the White House....Obama had to pay-up at some point within his 2-terms, unfortunately it looks like he's caving to The Republicans with all the Rocks thrown at Rice.......

I will say this...Jon Huntsman did an OUTSTANDING job serving as Ambassador to China....Both parties like him and I think he'd make an excellent SOS.....He is def a wild-card that no one talks about...Jon might even be on the SOS-long-list....

[Sausy]

Actually Kerry makes Susan Rice look pretty good in comparison...he actually in the early months of the Syrian situation pushed the idea of Assad as a reformer. He's a puffy poser, nothing more.... Susan Rice did the wrong thing by blindly going with the talking points that were signed off on rather than challenge to see ALL the reports, but I was wrong to just rip on her without taking in the whole real picture.... Obama hides under her skirt, throws her under the bus, is tickled pink by the sudden "concussion" complication of a flu ridden Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Just maybe the GOP should take him up on his suggestion and take him on regarding the whole Benghazi matter...the buck stops with him.

[chance1]

^ hear u on his world according to me

But rabbit ?

Who r u thinking ?

How important is this job ? Or could it be just a mouthpiece for the admin vs a critical thinker

[Telstra]

Kerry face/chin is sooooo long.

[HenryReardon]

Why is Kerry the worst possible choice and why would his nomination only underscore the fact that Obama wants to destroy America.

Oh sure, let's have a certified traitor join Obama's cabinet of tax cheats and other miscreants.

John Kerry should have been put before a firing squad along with Jane Fonda and several other of that era.
This appointment, if it happens, continues to make Obama's "team" a laughingstock.

[Telstra]

Why is Kerry the worst possible choice and why would his nomination only underscore the fact that Obama wants to destroy America.

Oh sure, let's have a certified traitor join Obama's cabinet of tax cheats and other miscreants.

John Kerry should have been put before a firing squad along with Jane Fonda and several other of that era.
This appointment, if it happens, continues to make Obama's "team" a laughingstock.

HenryReardon
Jane Fonda should be shot ?
why ?

[HenryReardon]

HenryReardon
Jane Fonda should be shot ?
why ?

It is self-evidently obvious. She went to North Viet Nam, mingled with the enemy, and there is no doubt in anyone's minds that her actions got American soldiers killed.

Encouraging the enemy is one of the definition of treason. The fact that she has found religion now (well, sort of) and seems to regret her actions is small comfort to the families of those men whose deaths she caused.

[frankfrank]

Kerry face/chin is sooooo long.

John Kerry walks intro a bar.

The bartender asks him "Why the long face?"

Later, a horse walks into the same bar.

The bartender asks the horse "Why the long face?"

The horse replies "My wife is dying of terminal cancer."

(in the United States, "having a long face" is the same thing as being sad.)

Of course this is entirely ON TOPIC...oops.

[rareboy]

John Kerry should have been shot?

Hey Readon(sic)..isn't that a little extreme? Even for you?

Oh and hey there Jack. This thread isn't about Jane Fonda.

[Just_Believe18]

Oh sure, let's have a certified traitor join Obama's cabinet of tax cheats and other miscreants.

John Kerry should have been put before a firing squad along with Jane Fonda and several other of that era.
This appointment, if it happens, continues to make Obama's "team" a laughingstock.

You are disturbing.

[evanrick]

kerry got some good lines in against romney at the dnc and did far better than could be expected when he ran for president in 2004. just goes to show how void of leadership the GOP is when the democrats have a full bench of leaders.

[HenryReardon]

John Kerry should have been shot?

Hey Readon(sic)..isn't that a little extreme? .

Hardly. Kerry's sins are many and quite public. In his testimony before congress he lied about viet nam.
He is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore.

Publiclyy denouncing your country in a time of war is a gross and flagrant abuse of free speech - much worse than crying 'fire' in a crowded theater. Too bad that bedwetting liberals lack the educationi and/or breeding to understand that.

[chance1]

Hardly. Kerry's sins are many and quite public. In his testimony before congress he lied about viet nam.
He is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore.

Publiclyy denouncing your country in a time of war is a gross and flagrant abuse of free speech - much worse than crying 'fire' in a crowded theater. Too bad that bedwetting liberals lack the educationi and/or breeding to understand that.

Bed wetting ?

Jesus

I'm not a big Kerry fan - but anyone who has served has the right to their POV - and it's based on a real experience

Bed wetting ?

[rareboy]

Hardly. Kerry's sins are many and quite public. In his testimony before congress he lied about viet nam.
He is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore.

Publiclyy denouncing your country in a time of war is a gross and flagrant abuse of free speech - much worse than crying 'fire' in a crowded theater. Too bad that bedwetting liberals lack the educationi and/or breeding to understand that.

Seriously?

Somehow the failure of liberals to cry out for the killing of John Kerry for the following speech brands us as uneducated and lacking the requisite breeding (WTF) to call for his murder?

You have very disturbing thoughts.

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/7/3...adcast_of_john

Oh by the way...see the part where he was wearing his three purple hearts?????

Kerry was 27 years old and dressed in his green fatigues and Silver Star and Purple Heart ribbons.

[HenryReardon]

Yes and he tossed his medals over the White House fence in a public display of defiance. Amazingly, he still had those medals years later.

And, by the way, there was talk that some of his so-called injuries may have been self-inflicted. The man is evil to the core.

[rareboy]

People can read the text of his anti-war speech here as well:

https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~e...Testimony.html

[HenryReardon]

Let's not overlook the fact that he's a professional giggilo. Other than persuading two very rich women to marry him, what has he ever accomplished?

[Sausy]

Kerry is welcome to his pov but he definitely showed himself off as an opportunist and political whore only calculating what furthered his own political ambitions...his conduct after the war was disgraceful. Not because he opposed the war(which LBJ vastly expanded to his eternal shame) but his cynical disingenuousness in carving a political future by throwing his fellow soldiers under the bus(meaning perfect lapdog, er Secretary of State for Obama). Real prescient on Syria's Assad, too...calling him a reformer when everyone knew he was pretty much as ruthless as his father. What a huffy, self important piece of shit Kerry is. Obama has a right to name Kerry, but shows again his lack of wisdom and perspective. He's losing the only two grown ups with real independent stature in his Administration in Hillary Clinton at State and Leon Panetta at Defense.

[maxpowr9]

I, for one, am glad we live in a country where the first amendment protects us whether we want to criticize our foreign policy or call for a Senator to face a death squad.

We don't anymore ever since the Patriot Act was passed. threatening to murder anyone, even an official, could be turned over to the police and you will be reprimanded.

[opinterph]

… lack the educationi and/or breeding …

Please explain what it means for an individual to lack “breeding.”

[HenryReardon]

Please explain what it means for an individual to lack “breeding.”

Poorly or ineffectively brought up to have any sense of decency or decorum.

[MisterMajestic]

John Kerry walks intro a bar.

The bartender asks him "Why the long face?"

Later, a horse walks into the same bar.

The bartender asks the horse "Why the long face?"

The horse replies "My wife is dying of terminal cancer."

I'm trying to get this joke Frank...But I'm missing the punch line..Where is it?...LOL...

[frankfrank]

Hardly. Kerry's sins are many and quite public. In his testimony before congress he lied about viet nam.
He is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore.

Publiclyy denouncing your country in a time of war is a gross and flagrant abuse of free speech - much worse than crying 'fire' in a crowded theater. Too bad that bedwetting liberals lack the educationi and/or breeding to understand that.

I somehow don't expect to see any similar sentiments about Oliver North, who was also involved in treason. But I won't...because Oliver North is a Republican.

[HenryReardon]

I somehow don't expect to see any similar sentiments about Oliver North, who was also involved in treason. But I won't...because Oliver North is a Republican.

As far as I know, Oliver North never publicly criticized his country in time of war.

PS you're dissembling.

[maxpowr9]

The rumor mill has been swirling this week in Boston that if and when Kerry gets the nod that Ben Affleck would make a run for US senator as a Democrat. Would make for an interesting campaign if he does run.

[chance1]

Kerry is in

[chrisrobin]

Hardly. Kerry's sins are many and quite public. In his testimony before congress he lied about viet nam.
He is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore.

Publiclyy denouncing your country in a time of war is a gross and flagrant abuse of free speech - much worse than crying 'fire' in a crowded theater. Too bad that bedwetting liberals lack the educationi and/or breeding to understand that.

Oh, boy! Swiftboating redux.

[JB3]

They want Kerry so it frees up his senate seat to get the GOP shill Brown back into office. I really do not think there is a viable Democrat in my state outside of Patrick who wants the job [he doesn't]. Politics is just one massive game of chess; moving pieces around to win.

The word is that Kerry was behind much of the anti-Rice sentiment, because he has wanted the post for many, many years. He exploited and fomented many of the anti-Rice Benghazi talking points for his own benefit, because he knew he that Republicans would also have a vested interest in the seat.

[JayHawk]

JB3 after the words were out there when Republican Senators were offering up Kerry then it was painfully obvious that this was a kabuki theater bought and purchased whole by the inept. It worked though the right are still good little lemmings.

[chance1]

The word is that Kerry was behind much of the anti-Rice sentiment, because he has wanted the post for many, many years. He exploited and fomented many of the anti-Rice Benghazi talking points for his own benefit, because he knew he that Republicans would also have a vested interest in the seat.

is that like a harry reid the word is out that mitt romney didnt' pay taxes for 10 years?

i just googled it and nada

so where's the word ?

it's totally plausible but where's the word ?

[Sausy]

Something interesting that correlates to JB3's post...it appears the most effective opposition against Rice was spearheaded from elements on the left...upset with her privately confrontational style, her tough minded pragmatism and ripping her on her financial ties with the company in Canada wanting to build the controversial pipeline into the US. The Kerry subterfuge JB talks about also is very plausible. I may have been very wrong about Susan.... Maureen Dowd and others on the left appear to have wanted to stick a fork in her nomination no matter how close she may be to President Obama. I feel terrible that we have a self serving , hypocritical bastard like Kerry poised to represent us at State. At lest he wasn't nominated for Secretary of Defense... that would have been an unforgiveable obscenity with the Machiavellian suck up to the left he made after serving that resulted in his throwing his fellow servicemen under the bus. And I don't give a fuck about anyone on the left trying rto defend the asshole. He's always been a self serving twat and that's the last thing we need as the face of US diplomacy around the world. Maybe he was Obama's real choice after all, which would really be alarming.

Sorry Susan Rice...considering what we're getting, you may have been much more preferable.

[rareboy]

^ So as long as the 'lefties' are the ones who didn't want Rice...suddenly she looks appealing to you?

uh. right.

[Jack Springer]

Congratulations Mr. Kerry!

You're do a great job of representing the Obama Administration.

[White Eagle]

People can read the text of his anti-war speech here as well:

https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~e...Testimony.html

Thanks for this link. I had never had a chance to read it. I see nothing he said as wrong.