Gay Republican elected lawmaker from Pennsylvania comes out

[TX-Beau]

silly boy - disagreement is grand

the intolerant progressive klan isn't about disagreement

that's too ....... agreeable

it's about demonizing and belittling

just like rolyo did to JQ

ur probably numb to it is my guess

as for the the republican congressman

i agree with palbert - but u know that

Since of course the view is so grand from up there on your cross, I suppose we should just assume you live in the heads of "progressives," and you aren't just pushing some kind of wing nut bait and switch where you blame the other side for some kind of persecution complex?

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Oh and yeah, when he as a gay Pub makes a public statement that he does not support the party platform on us faggots - nor does he support the "Conservative Christian," damnation to hell for all of us - THEN - we can start talking about benefit of the doubt - but in all his moving epistle, he didn't say anything like that did he?

Curious.

Repeat for emphasis.

[chance1]

You know dit is n bietjie snaaks I thought for a moment I was reading Matt Barber on OneNewsNow

did u have a stroke while typing ?

i just googled matt barber btw

thinking it wasn't a compliment?

hyperbole is your forte

[TX-Beau]

Yay. Mr. random dude whoever from PA came out. Good for him. What are JQ and Chance going to be saying when this guy gets wrecked by his own party? "Oh, he was too Democrat anyway?"

This thread has an evil twin, way back JayQ was attracted to that Pub sheriff who got outed by his Latin boy-toy in AZ. We had the same thread, all the old songs were sung, and all the usual suspects all came over.

[xbuzzerx]

If any self repressitard wants us to celebrate something come here with a link about how a group of gay Republican officeholders are starting a movement within the party to reform its attitude and platform on gay issues.

Till then I see nothing here but exactly what I said... a guy who lied and then went "Surprise, I'm gay!" to his conservative voters. And that's overwhelmingly unlikely to end well or to contribute ANYTHING to positive progress at all.

[Rolyo85]

I still wanna hear jayqueer tell me about my issues...

[xbuzzerx]

I still wanna hear jayqueer tell me about my issues...

You're impish and mercurial, for start.

[chance1]

This thread has an evil twin, way back JayQ was attracted to that Pub sheriff who got outed by his Latin boy-toy in AZ. We had the same thread, all the old songs were sung, and all the usual suspects all came over.

groundhog day - not just a movie

LA Confidential on .......... what a flick - lots of testosterone flying

don't be such a hater TX - reserve the hate for the real deal

[Rolyo85]

You're impish and mercurial, for start.

The scandal!

[TX-Beau]

You're impish and mercurial, for start.

And he needs a spanking - BUT FIRST THE ORAL SEX!!!!!

[palbert]

I am openly gay in a state that just approved gay marriage by popular vote.

We did not get there by denigration.

Would but TX or other states do the same.

TX's openly gay legislators total ____?

Your derision of progress is not productive.

[Rolyo85]

And he needs a spanking - BUT FIRST THE ORAL SEX!!!!!

You can punish me ANY way you want, as long as it's sexual

[TX-Beau]

groundhog day - not just a movie

LA Confidential on .......... what a flick - lots of testosterone flying

don't be such a hater TX - reserve the hate for the real deal

You really don't want to see me hating on something - it gets really ugly and personal and gets my posts vanished, this is just me scoffing at credulity and sipping my Jamaica Blue Mountain.

[xbuzzerx]

I am openly gay in a state that just approved gay marriage by popular vote.

We did not get there by denigration.

Would but TX or other states do the same.

TX's openly gay legislators total ____?

Your derision of progress is not productive.

So the way to get progress and open minds is to lie about your sexuality until you've achieved a position of power or trust?

I'll be more blunt. Your operating definition of progress is junk. Progress is when a Republican ninja-comes out after getting office (and just hopes he can keep his seat)? How is that progress?

It's not addressing the core problem of politicized homophobia on the right. And few of these gay Republicans seem willing to rock the boat much other than a discreet statement here or there.

[TX-Beau]

I am openly gay in a state that just approved gay marriage by popular vote.

We did not get there by denigration.

Would but TX or other states do the same.

TX's openly gay legislators total ____?

Your derision of progress is not productive.

"...I know you are but what am I..."

Are you in the fourth grade?

[palbert]

So the way to get progress and open minds is to lie about your sexuality until you've achieved a position of power or trust?

Not so up here in the enlightened Northeast.

[xbuzzerx]

Not so up here in the enlightened Northeast.

You've accused us of "deriding progress."

Explain to me how stealth-outing after election is progress. It doesn't even friggin show me that conservatives would have ever been willing to vote for the guy.

There's no progress to be seen here other than this guy's own personal next step which is irrelevant to anything for anyone else. Except that he's very likely to get booted out next election.

I love how in your mind getting gay marriage passed on a state ballot is equivalent progress to some coward who comes out just after an election as a gay conservative Christian Republican.

[Rolyo85]

Not so up here in the enlightened Northeast.

Which this topic isn't about

[palbert]

Which this topic isn't about

Northeast -- or any where else for that matter. And it is about that.

[chance1]

"...I know you are but what am I..."

Are you in the fourth grade?

if he is we need more fourth graders on the forum

as they're far more enlightened, reasonable and reasoned than .......

well u know

[Laufey]

How the hell can you be a conservative Christian and openly gay?

Does he hate himself that much?

The Bible is pretty clear on this. You can't pick and choose.

[xbuzzerx]

Btw if a black person joins the KKK, is it progress?

I want to know so that if it ever happens I can be sure I'm not attacking progress.

[chance1]

Northeast -- or any where else for that matter. And it is about that.

Pal - thanks for showing that not all are wired for hateful nonsense here

it's good to know

[xbuzzerx]

How the hell can you be a conservative Christian and openly gay?

Does he hate himself that much?

The Bible is pretty clear on this. You can't pick and choose.

Do you mean the old testament which also says all the straight people who eat lobster are going to hell too?

[Just_Believe18]

There's no reason to celebrate in this thread:

1. A gay man spends his whole life in the closet because of the homophobic Republicans around him raised him to be.
2. He marries a woman that he later has to divorce when he realizes he can't live a lie anymore.
3. He was ONLY elected as a state representative for the GOP ticket with the assumption that he's straight. Mike Fleck would have never been elected as a Republican state representative in rural Pennsylvania had he been an open homosexual.
4. He still believes in the Republican party with a platform that publicly states that he is a second-class citizen incapable of marrying a man or be protected equally under the law. So he can have a farce marriage with a woman, but can only fuck men behind closed doors.

Nothing to celebrate here.

[Rolyo85]

Northeast -- or any where else for that matter. And it is about that.

No, it's about a closeted republican who came out, and the circumstances around that. You were asked a question and you deflected it with this northeast comment.

[xbuzzerx]

Love how these threads go up with these pathetic (in the literal sense of the word) closetcases trying to cope with being gay in the tide of conservative America and the GOP supporters tell us this is their vision of "progress." Not any sort of fundamental change in the bigoted mindset that underlines the whole political right.

[palbert]

No, it's about a closeted republican who came out, and the circumstances around that. You were asked a question and you deflected it with this northeast comment.

I was asked if I were in the 4th grade. Now at your request I answer that ad hominem:

No. My state had grades higher than that.

[T-Rexx]

He says he is a conservative Christian and still plans to stick with the Republican party because he believes in smaller government.

Why would anyone in favor of smaller government vote Republican?

[TX-Beau]

I was asked if I were in the 4th grade. Now at your request I answer that ad hominem:

No. My state had grades higher than that.

I asked you that question because you were spinning like a dervish - that's NOT the question xbuzzerx asked you. Why don't you try answering that one.

[xbuzzerx]

Why would anyone in favor of smaller government vote Republican?

Because they also believe that Greek gods gave us fire and Jesus fought the dinobots and Harry Potter used magic to make carbon dating look real.

And that Republicans stand for responsible fiscal spending, low deficits and small government.

[rareboy]

3. He was ONLY elected as a state representative for the GOP ticket with the assumption that he's straight. Mike Fleck would have never been elected as a Republican state representative in rural Pennsylvania had he been an open homosexual.

Sometimes, timing is everything.

[palbert]

So the way to get progress and open minds is to lie about your sexuality until you've achieved a position of power or trust?

I'll be more blunt. Your operating definition of progress is junk. Progress is when a Republican ninja-comes out after getting office (and just hopes he can keep his seat)? How is that progress? ....

Progress is made at the margins. Even if not re-elected he has cracked the ceiling.

I don't know what a black man joining the KKK would be. Self-destructive?

And Mike Fleck may have committed an act of self-destruction -- and he initially gets my recognition.

[Rolyo85]

Actually the black kkk man is EXACTLY like the gay republican.

And no, he hasn't cracked anything. He WOULD have, if he had won as an out republican. Until then he gets a casual "whatever, better late than never" from me and that's that.

I dislike conservative Christians, even if they have nothing to do with politics and gay stuff. And my criticisms here have been mostly directed at jayqueer and his usual self-hating hypocrisy.

[palbert]

Talk amongst yourselves. (an old SNL Coffee Talk reference)

[chance1]

Talk among yourselves. (an old SNL reference)

LOL

no one actually listens ....... they just quote

anyone see andrew luck with that final drive ? OMG

is it ok to like sports ?

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Progress is made at the margins. Even if not re-elected he has cracked the ceiling.

I don't know what a black man joining the KKK would be. Self-destructive?

And Mike Fleck may have committed an act of self-destruction -- and he initially gets my recognition.

i vote for palbert for president ....... of ce+p

who'd want that job?

[xbuzzerx]

Progress is made at the margins. Even if not re-elected he has cracked the ceiling.

I don't know what a black man joining the KKK would be. Self-destructive?

And Mike Fleck may have committed an act of self-destruction -- and he initially gets my recognition.

You utterly failed to grasp the fact that you just explained to yourself why a gay conservative Christian Republican makes no sense and isn't progress.

I bolded it for you.

[JustMe5]

Rep. Mike Fleck NEVER said he is going to be a "social liberal". Just because he is gay, he must now share all of your political views??

Newsflash: there are openly gay men who believe in God, paying off the deficit, the right to bear arms (2nd amendment), oppose affirmative action, oppose abortion, and believe we should be drilling for oil in the US..

It's good that there are some level-headed posts in this thread. I was under the impression that all the replies to this thread would consist of the usual "gay herd mentality" crap.

[xbuzzerx]

It's good that there are some level-headed posts in this thread. I was under the impression that all the replies to this thread would consist of the usual "gay herd mentality" crap.

Yeah except for the fact that Republicans paying down the deficit is ridiculous, no one is trying to rescind the 2nd Amendment, affirmative action has been illegal in nearly all of academia and the workplace for 10 years, we are working to reduce dependency on foreign oil, many Democrats are Christian and abortion is stare decisis and isn't going to change.

So basically out of that whole laundry list the only possible reason to vote Republican is being against abortion but it's also casting your vote for something that is never going to happen.

[eastofeden]

When you take christianity and Faux news talking points out of the equation..I quite enjoy some of my Republican friends...and sincerely not all of the Republicans are bad guys. the problem is that the Christian Taliban and Faux news and their repugnant pundits and now the Koch Boys and their "grassroots" Tea Party have been given free reign to define the party leaving sane Republicans such as Jon Huntsman and Olympia Snowe out of the dialogue.

One local former Rep (Tom Campbell) was elected in a fairly Liberal District in Silicon Valley...his position on gay marriage...

Republicans often say that courts should apply the law, not create it. It was really quite a stretch for the California Supreme Court to say that the Constitution of California already contains a right for same-sex marriage, when the Constitution doesn't say a word about it. The truth is: It's a new issue. To those who say the Court got it wrong, I say: I agree. It's for us to decide. Now, let's make the right decision. And that right decision, in my view, is to allow same-sex marriage in California.

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The problem with THIS Republican who is gay is that he is aligned with the Rick Santorums and Michelles Bachmanns...not the Tom Campbells of the Republican party who are pro choice...supportive of GLBT equality....and environmentally conscience.

[xbuzzerx]

^ I believe I said it earlier in this thread, if not then I am confusing it with another thread. But yes, while many voting Republicans aren't the devil incarnate and 100% on board with every extremity of the social agenda....

it does not matter when the candidates and platforms they vote for are held hostage to the portion of the Republican voters who do believe in those things.

I don't care that you "don't agree" with the social agenda Talibangelicals if you will vote for people who either agree with that platform or will do the typical GOP thing of lockstepping with whatever the party is doing. Because at that point it makes utterly no difference how moderate you may be in your social views.

[T-Rexx]

This guy, Fleck, is a "conservative Christian," attended Liberty University, and worked as an executive for the Boy Scouts. He married a woman, knowing that he was gay (but, apparently, believing that attempting to deceive a partner with a lifetime of lies is acceptable behavior).

Fleck has spent his life in lies and deceit and self-hatred. His "coming out" now has only been made possible by the Democratic Party, which has fought to make his sexuality understood as the integral part of humanity that it is.

He's made progress, but he has a long way to go. He continues to manifest self-hatred to the extent that he continues to support a party that believes he deserves no rights.

[xbuzzerx]

This guy, Fleck, is a "conservative Christian," attended Liberty University, and worked as an executive for the Boy Scouts. He married a woman, knowing that he was gay (but, apparently, believing that attempting to deceive a partner with a lifetime of lies is acceptable behavior).

Fleck has spent his life in lies and deceit and self-hatred. His "coming out" now has only been made possible by the Democratic Party, which has fought to make his sexuality understood as the integral part of humanity that it is.

He's made progress, but he has a long way to go. He continues to manifest self-hatred to the extent that he continues to support a party that believes he deserves no rights.

If the Dems had never done anything for gay rights and if Obama had never done anything for gay rights, and Dems themselves still had to sneak out of the closet carefully and make sure not to do it BEFORE being elected, I suppose we'd be "further along with progress" ey? At least that's what I"m reading in this thread. lol.

[chance1]

Hate clearly is free

And intolerant progressive klansmen can't resist a good deal

The assumption of guilt or disdain worthiness is reflexive rather than measured

So much unhappiness

[palbert]

If the Dems had never done anything for gay rights and if Obama had never done anything for gay rights, and Dems themselves still had to sneak out of the closet carefully and make sure not to do it BEFORE being elected, I suppose we'd be "further along with progress" ey? At least that's what I"m reading in this thread. lol.

I can think of four states that in November gave the falsehood to that.

Not all voting for gay marriage were gay.

[xbuzzerx]

Hate clearly is free

And intolerant progressive klansmen can't resist a good deal

The assumption of guilt or disdain worthiness is reflexive rather than measured

So much unhappiness

My words like many
Republican lies
fall softly like snow upon
dead rational thought

[xbuzzerx]

I can think of four states that in November gave the falsehood to that.

Not all voting for gay marriage were gay.

And yet look at the near across the board strike-down of gay marriage state initiatives during Bush's election cycles.

Yes, progressive work on these issues over time has had absolutely no impact whatsoever. By far more important has been closetcases in the GOP coming out, right? The same political interests that did things like funnelled massive out of state money to do things like Prop 8 in California-- all funded by the religious fundraising arms of the political right.

[palbert]

^^^^Softly?

[Rolyo85]

There is an annoying double standard in JUB, which pisses me off. If a republican politician comes out, we're supposed to cheer him above all others, while the Dems have gotten to the point where that's just not necessary in their party.

In the same way liberal jubbers feel some irrational need to praise the crazy right members every time they say something non-crazy, as if that's not what they SHOULD be doing all the time...

[xbuzzerx]

There is an annoying double standard in JUB, which pisses me off. If a republican politician comes out, we're supposed to cheer him above all others, while the Dems have gotten to the point where that's just not necessary in their party.

In the same way liberal jubbers feel some irrational need to praise the crazy right members every time they say something non-crazy, as if that's not what they SHOULD be doing all the time...

It's not restricted to coming out or gay issues at all. Look at the laundry list of recent topics.... we were supposed to be horrified at Obama using drones for surgical strikes after the Republicans started two badly implemented wars that maimed and killed thousands? We're supposed to buy that Republicans care deeply about deficit spending after they raised the debt ceiling 7 times under a Republican President?

The double standards are beyond mindblowing. If a Democratic politician ran a 10 mile marathon we would have to stop first and talk about how the obese Republican who did a 10 meter dash was actually the one who contributed more to track & field and fitness in this country.

[Rolyo85]

It's not restricted to coming out or gay issues at all. Look at the laundry list of recent topics.... we were supposed to be horrified at Obama using drones for surgical strikes after the Republicans started two badly implemented wars that maimed and killed thousands? We're supposed to buy that Republicans care deeply about deficit spending after they raised the debt ceiling 7 times under a Republican President?

The double standards are beyond mindblowing. If a Democratic politician ran a 10 mile marathon we would have to stop first and talk about how the obese Republican who did a 10 meter dash was actually the one who contributed more to track & field and fitness in this country.

No, I'm not talking about THEIR double standards, those go without saying. I meant OUR irrational instinct to pay the doggie on the head every time it's not trying to bite our hand off and does a trick instead, forgetting that the doggie is supposed to be a rational human being. It seems the standards we have for them are so low that every time they actually get even a bit above, it's such a surprise that we feel compelled to congratulate them...