Why do the US use names from all around the world ??? [SPLIT]

[palemale]

Just ask the Irish and Jamaicans.

[JayHawk]

Yar but what about Boston...

[palemale]

They have no excuse for speaking differently.

[JayHawk]

Thank you i assumed as much....

Now where did Mexico, Missouri get its name? Oh and while we are at it how about Big Bone Lick State Park??? Historic cruising spot or what?

Of Course Big Bone Lick is located right next to BeaverLick so it may be just hopeful thinking......

[White Eagle]

A true Texan would not pronounce Houston as Howston. Sam Houston was the 1st and 3rd president of the Republic of Texas. I traced his name back to a great great grandfather (I believe) in Scotland. Let's find a Scot and see how he says it.

Medic1 posts here at times. I've sent him a PM.

[Centexfarmer]

It is also interesting to note that Texas names its largest city after the street in Manhattan that forms the boundary between Greenwich Village and Soho on the west side of the island, and the East Village and Lower East Side on the east side of the island. I am talking about Houston Street, of course.

Wow! And I was thinking that you were credible in your History.

That are you're just checking to see who's paying attention.

Harrisburg, Texas was one of many capitols of Texas until Santa Anna Burned the whole city to the ground during the Texas Revolution. During that time it was also the seat of government of Harris County. Where a little place San Jacinto is also located.

After that battle, the locals renamed what is now the largest City in the State of Texas after General Sam Houston. (pronounced Hue-stun).

Texans don't pronounce it correctly, though. We call it How-ston Street, with the accent on the first syllable, not You-ston, with no accent on either syllable. When are y'all in Texas going to learn how to speak English properly?

So you still haven't explained who or what How-ston street in "NEW YORK CITY" is named after.

Is it true that Wall Street was named after a wall that kept wild pigs out and other undesirables out of what is current day "Lower Manhatten?"

[maxpowr9]

Yar but what about Boston...

I'd punch your fart box for that comment. There is a reason the northeast region of the US is called NewEngland. Many of our towns are cities have English equivalents. Where is Gillette Stadium located? Foxborough. Even my hometown despite having a unique name was actually incorrectly spelled on the town charter and the name stuck. It was supposed to be named after another English town (which shockingly only has 320 people in it according to wikipedia) but one letter got changed. Coincidentally, said town is located in Suffolk county and what county is Boston in? Shocker. Sister counties in MA: Middlesex and Norfolk can also be found in England.

Just don't tell Canadians that "Nova Scotia" is Latin for New Scotland.

[Centexfarmer]

...Even my hometown despite having a unique name was actually incorrectly spelled on the town charter and the name stuck. It was supposed to be named after another English town (which shockingly only has 320 people in it according to wikipedia) but one letter got changed.

Let me guess...was it the letter R?

Just don't tell Canadians that "Nova Scotia" is Latin for New Scotland.

Or as they say in upstate Maine, "Civilization."

[maxpowr9]

Let me guess...was it the letter R?

Har har har.

It was actually a "t" into a "d". I'm disappointed BP hasn't PM'd the guess where my hometown is after the pot discussion.

The town's library is so old...How old is it?...It's so old that they spell "public", "puvlic" on the building.

[Centexfarmer]

Har har har.

It was actually a "t" into a "d". I'm disappointed BP hasn't PM'd the guess where my hometown is after the pot discussion.

The town's library is so old...How old is it?...It's so old that they spell "public", "puvlic" on the building.

Many years ago I was on a private bus with Coast Guard buddies of mine driving back from Boston to New Bedford.

We passed through a town that I knew damned good and well how the "locals" pronounced it:

Leominster, MA.

And I pronounced it just like it is spelled to this Texas boy: Leo-Minster.

My Coast Guard Buddies and Shipmates HOWLED!

"LEMON-STA!"



So, yeah what-eva!

[maxpowr9]

Many years ago I was on a private bus with Coast Guard buddies of mine driving back from Boston to New Bedford.

We passed through a town that I knew damned good and well how the "locals" pronounced it:

Leominster, MA.

And I pronounced it just like it is spelled to this Texas boy: Leo-Minster.

My Coast Guard Buddies and Shipmates HOWLED!

"LEMON-STA!"



So, yeah what-eva!

Yeah, our pronunciations are southern English: Worcester = wus-ta. Copley = cop-lee. Berkshire = burk-sheer. Haverhill = hey-vrill.

Hint: you amalgamate the pronunciations of Worcester and Berkshire to get the correct pronunciation of Worcestershire as wus-ta-sheer.

[Centexfarmer]

And here in Texas names with the letter J or X are silent.

For example; Mexia is pronounced Me-hay-ya.

Bexar the county seat of which San Antonio is the county seat of is pronounced Bay-har.

Texas is properly pronounced, Tey-has.

And it's true what y'all (you all; all of you say): Texans don't "speaka da engrish."

We speaks da Spanglish.

And PRO-nounce the English as it's written.



With that in mind, there's a town about a half an hour South of Dallas called Waxahachie.

They filmed Places in the Heart there, and it's a roll that won Sally Field her first "you really like me" Oscar.

How would you pronounce Waxahachie?

Even the local weather readers get it wrong.

[maxpowr9]

^I learned Spanish in high school so I know all intricacies of the language including some of the obscure Nahuatl. Por ejemplo, Oaxaca se pronuncia, "wa-hä-ka".

I would pronounce "Waxahachie" as "woah-hä-a-chi".

Edit: learned the a with umlaut.

[JayHawk]

The poke at Boston was meant more for BP as he was strolling the streets of Jub at that time... I see Centex has set you right however...



When I die I may not go to heaven, I don't know if they let Cowboys in
If they don't just let me go to Texas, Texas is as close as I've been

[palemale]

Wow! And I was thinking that you were credible in your History.

That are you're just checking to see who's paying attention.

Harrisburg, Texas was one of many capitols of Texas until Santa Anna Burned the whole city to the ground during the Texas Revolution. During that time it was also the seat of government of Harris County. Where a little place San Jacinto is also located.

After that battle, the locals renamed what is now the largest City in the State of Texas after General Sam Houston. (pronounced Hue-stun).



So you still haven't explained who or what How-ston street in "NEW YORK CITY" is named after.

Is it true that Wall Street was named after a wall that kept wild pigs out and other undesirables out of what is current day "Lower Manhatten?"

I was once sitting on the subway, overhearing a conversation between two women from Texas. They heard the conductor announce the "How-ston" Street stop, and the one women commented about what she perceived to be the mispronunciation of Houston Street. The other women said, "well, "How-ston" Street was here before Houston, Texas existed."

Houston Street is also a Scottish name.

Houston Street is named for William Houstoun, who was a delegate from State of Georgia to the Continental Congress from 1784 through 1786 and to the Constitutional Convention in 1787.[1] The street was christened by Nicholas Bayard III, whose daughter, Mary, was married to Houstoun in 1788.[3] The couple met while Houstoun, a member of an ancient and aristocratic Scottish family, was serving in the Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston...28Manhattan%29

I believe Wall Street got its name from fortifications the Dutch built to keep the English out, or perhaps Native Americans.

[palemale]

How about Weehawkin and Seacaucus, NJ. Two of many Native American place names in New Jersey.

One of my favorite place names is Intercourse, PA.

[bankside]

And here in Texas names with the letter J or X are silent.

For example; Mexia is pronounced Me-hay-ya.

Bexar the county seat of which San Antonio is the county seat of is pronounced Bay-har.

Texas is properly pronounced, Tey-has.

And it's true what y'all (you all; all of you say): Texans don't "speaka da engrish."

We speaks da Spanglish.

And PRO-nounce the English as it's written.



With that in mind, there's a town about a half an hour South of Dallas called Waxahachie.

They filmed Places in the Heart there, and it's a roll that won Sally Field her first "you really like me" Oscar.

How would you pronounce Waxahachie?

Even the local weather readers get it wrong.

I'd say WAX-a-HATCH-ee because that's what it looks like and we know basically nothing about Spanish here.

[Centexfarmer]

This thread has gotten educational. Me likey.

I'd say WAX-a-HATCH-ee because that's what it looks like and we know basically nothing about Spanish here.

^ You've come the closest so far. Except the first part isn't pronounced Wax like candle wax, but like walks like something that you would talk. like a Chinese cooking tool.

Walks-a-HATCH-ee.

It's funny to be in a room full of locals, and to hear someone put the emphasis on WAX when saying Waxahachie.

Everyone instantly winces in pain.

[Centexfarmer]

I was once sitting on the subway, overhearing a conversation between two women from Texas. They heard the conductor announce the "How-ston" Street stop, and the one women commented about what she perceived to be the mispronunciation of Houston Street. The other women said, "well, "How-ston" Street was here before Houston, Texas existed."

Houston Street is also a Scottish name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston...28Manhattan%29

I believe Wall Street got its name from fortifications the Dutch built to keep the English out, or perhaps Native Americans.

It's good that woman recognized that.

With the exception of Central Park it's hard to be in the city and visualize a time when the whole island looked like that.

[bankside]

This thread has gotten educational. Me likey.



^ You've come the closest so far. Except the first part isn't pronounced Wax like candle wax, but like walks like something that you would talk. like a Chinese cooking tool.

Walks-a-HATCH-ee.

It's funny to be in a room full of locals, and to hear someone put the emphasis on WAX when saying Waxahachie.

Everyone instantly winces in pain.

LOL that is probably my Canadian accent coming through in the way we say "a" as in "wax." I can pick out Americans right away when they say "a" as in "walks" for a lot of words that we would tend to say like "wax." For instance, we don't say "pahhsta" but "pasta." And not Obahhma but Obama.

The real puzzler is British newscasters who change a's halfway through a word. "Afghanistonn" instead of "Afghanistan." Stan. Like Dorothy Zbornack's ex-husband Stan, from the Golden Girls.

Okay now you try one of ours: "Iqaluit," capital of Nunavut.

[White Eagle]

I was once sitting on the subway, overhearing a conversation between two women from Texas. They heard the conductor announce the "How-ston" Street stop, and the one women commented about what she perceived to be the mispronunciation of Houston Street. The other women said, "well, "How-ston" Street was here before Houston, Texas existed."

Houston Street is also a Scottish name.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston...28Manhattan%29

I believe Wall Street got its name from fortifications the Dutch built to keep the English out, or perhaps Native Americans.

I believe you have stumbled upon your pronouncement of Howston. I traced Sam Houston back to Scotland, so maybe Sam's kin changed it just for the fun of it. To keep us talking about who is right.

Also, our Houston was the first word spoken on another place in the universe.

[Centexfarmer]

LOL that is probably my Canadian accent coming through in the way we say "a" as in "wax." I can pick out Americans right away when they say "a" as in "walks" for a lot of words that we would tend to say like "wax." For instance, we don't say "pahhsta" but "pasta." And not Obahhma but Obama.

The real puzzler is British newscasters who change a's halfway through a word. "Afghanistonn" instead of "Afghanistan." Stan. Like Dorothy Zbornack's ex-husband Stan, from the Golden Girls.

Okay now you try one of ours: "Iqaluit," capital of Nunavut.

Please forgive my Texas drawl, but I'd pronounce that as E-qal-you-it, capital of Noon-a-vut.

How'd I do?

[bankside]

Please forgive my Texas drawl, but I'd pronounce that as E-qal-you-it, capital of Noon-a-vut.

How'd I do?

No need to apologise. E cal oo eet, noonavoot, is closer to the local pronunciation, but I doubt most Canadians would even say it like that unless they're from the north. Down south I mostly hear "ikALLA wit" and Noonavœt or Noonavit.

Which I'm sure makes northerners cringe as much as you mentioned in your example.

just don't spell it with a "U." Iqualuit apparently means "city of shit" which our Prime Minister learned after a poorly proof-read press release went out describing his visit there.

[MassRuss]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I believe that the US did not actually 'win' the War of 1812. Just sayin'.

That's true. I think history calls it a draw, & a foolish war. Some states here in New England (there we go again, stealing other people's place names, LOL), MA, RI, NH, CT talked of secession

For an interesting take on the War of 1812, try

Mr & Mrs Madison's War: America's 1st Couple & the 2nd War for Independence by Hugh Howard

[MassRuss]

It is also interesting to note that Texas names its largest city after the street in Manhattan that forms the boundary between Greenwich Village and Soho on the west side of the island, and the East Village and Lower East Side on the east side of the island. I am talking about Houston Street, of course. Texans don't pronounce it correctly, though. We call it How-ston Street, with the accent on the first syllable, not You-ston, with no accent on either syllable. When are y'all in Texas going to learn how to speak English properly?

Actually, Houston St in NYC was named for a man named William Houstoun, Houston, TX is named for Sam Houston.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Street_(Manhattan)[/url

He was a GA delegate to the Continental Convention, & ended up marrying Mary Bayard, a member of one of NY's prominet families, whose farm was located near Houston St. He's buried in St Paul's Chapel in NYUC]

[bankside]

Canadians have the same argument over "Lougheed."

In Alberta, he was perhaps our most competent and well-respected Premier since Confederation. Pronounced Law Heed. In British Columbia it's the name of a street and a bunch of other stuff pronounced Low Heed. I did quite the double-take the first time I heard that.

[MassRuss]

^^^^Oops & you already said that. Damn system won't let me edit.

I came from the part of NJ where my "accent" was taken for mid west (no accent) to MA! Many friends were from Hudson & Bergin (Boigen) counties, talk about accents. In Boigen county, you have a terlet berl in your BR, you go to Joisey City, & park your cahr in Jernal Sqah. We were told that the NYC (especially "DA BRONX" & Queens & N NJ & MA accents somehow are traced back to Merry Ole England. Do we have any "origins of English" teachers/students here?

When I first moved here, I asked a new friend where Pea Body was. She laughed & said PeBuddy? & Natick, where the late great Al Parker grew up is prounced NADICK (maybe in his honor?)

[palbert]

God, Telly started a thread that turned into something.

Try pronouncing "Calais," Maine, as a Mainer. Also Bangor (hint: not like the Weather Channel does).

[bankside]

Kal ay rhymes with hay?
And bang gore (maybe that should be a thread in the fetish/CEP forum)

[White Eagle]

^^^^Oops & you already said that. Damn system won't let me edit.

I came from the part of NJ where my "accent" was taken for mid west (no accent) to MA! Many friends were from Hudson & Bergin (Boigen) counties, talk about accents. In Boigen county, you have a terlet berl in your BR, you go to Joisey City, & park your cahr in Jernal Sqah. We were told that the NYC (especially "DA BRONX" & Queens & N NJ & MA accents somehow are traced back to Merry Ole England. Do we have any "origins of English" teachers/students here?

When I first moved here, I asked a new friend where Pea Body was. She laughed & said PeBuddy? & Natick, where the late great Al Parker grew up is prounced NADICK (maybe in his honor?)

Whoever said New Joisey reminded me. My last 3 years in HS I had an English teacher from New Joisey. I had a hell of a time trying to get people to believe I was from Texas. That accent stayed with me for years.

[palemale]

^^^^Oops & you already said that. Damn system won't let me edit.

I came from the part of NJ where my "accent" was taken for mid west (no accent) to MA! Many friends were from Hudson & Bergin (Boigen) counties, talk about accents. In Boigen county, you have a terlet berl in your BR, you go to Joisey City, & park your cahr in Jernal Sqah. We were told that the NYC (especially "DA BRONX" & Queens & N NJ & MA accents somehow are traced back to Merry Ole England. Do we have any "origins of English" teachers/students here?

When I first moved here, I asked a new friend where Pea Body was. She laughed & said PeBuddy? & Natick, where the late great Al Parker grew up is prounced NADICK (maybe in his honor?)

I'd say the accent is more Irish. The quintessential NY working class accent is often illustrated by the statement, "meet me at toity-tird and tird." The Irish do not pronounce the "h" in "th." Usually, the "th" sound is simply expressed as a hard "t."

[maxpowr9]

That's true. I think history calls it a draw, & a foolish war. Some states here in New England (there we go again, stealing other people's place names, LOL), MA, RI, NH, CT talked of secession

For an interesting take on the War of 1812, try

Mr & Mrs Madison's War: America's 1st Couple & the 2nd War for Independence by Hugh Howard

Again these nonsensical AP USH facts but Nova Scotia almost became a US state with Maine. Nova Scotia heavily battled England and the US armies had to eventually divert their forces south and westward and Britain was able to retain the island. It's why the region has a heavy devotion to things related to New England. However, New Brunswick was heavily settled by former British loyalists after the American Revolution that prevented the US from aiding Nova Scotia due the loyalists controlling the Bay of Fundy.

[Centexfarmer]

Again these nonsensical AP USH facts but Nova Scotia almost became a US state with Maine. Nova Scotia heavily battled England and the US armies had to eventually divert their forces south and westward and Britain was able to retain the island. It's why the region has a heavy devotion to things related to New England. However, New Brunswick was heavily settled by former British loyalists after the American Revolution that prevented the US from aiding Nova Scotia due the loyalists controlling the Bay of Fundy.

And as much as I thought that I knew about Early American Colonial History?

It wasn't until a drive up to a friends beach house in Lubec, Maine a couple of summers ago that I stumbled upon these "historical sites" which clearly showed the conflict between the U.S. and Canadian Border, and all of the parties that were involved, and WHY.

And was even more surprised to discover the divergence between "Upstate Maine" and New Brunswick.

"Upstate Maine" is some backwater, while New Brunswick and all of the towns within it, could easily be confused with lower Connecticut, U.S.A.



WTH?

[Kulindahr]

So if Nova Scotia suddenly magically became a US state, what would that do to the Electoral College?

[Centexfarmer]

So if Nova Scotia suddenly magically became a US state, what would that do to the Electoral College?

Let us deal with Puerto Rico first, shall we?

[maxpowr9]

So if Nova Scotia suddenly magically became a US state, what would that do to the Electoral College?

Puerto Rico would be first in actuality and that's for Congress to decide not me.

Centex, for even more obscure USH, Cuba was almost a US state too. James Buchanan (people write about the "great" presidents like Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson etc., but if you want your history sordid, Buchanan is your man. Not to mention he was the first "closeted" President.) was in talks with Spain to buy the colony from them (look up Ostend Manifesto). If the Civil War never happened, Cuba would have been a US state.

[palbert]

Because there are a limited number of names so we have to re-cycle.

[MassRuss]

Any teacher who taught that Britain is called great because of it's empire was wrong.

Uh, where did I say that? No teacher taught us about the origin of "Great Britain". It was the "British Empire" not the "Great British Empire, & TMK, the origins of Great Britain were never discussed. Most of what I learned of European & English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish history I've read in the (many, sob!) years since school.

[Kulindahr]

And if it was all purple, it would be Grape Britain.

[Telstra]

This thread has been taken over by Americans now LOL
I have no interest in this anymore.

[bankside]

This thread has been taken over by Americans now LOL
I have no interest in this anymore.

Wait. Am I missing the satire in that remark?

You made a thread about the US. I find it embarrassing for Americans when they think the internet is all about them. And I find it dispiriting when people from other countries focus on the US when on a given subject, their own country or some other country might be of greater relevance/interest/magnificence/excellence.

But when you make a thread about the US (and despite its unwarranted attention, there are still certainly interesting things about the States worth discussing) it makes sense for Americans to respond.

[Telstra]

Wait. Am I missing the satire in that remark?

You made a thread about the US. I find it embarrassing for Americans when they think the internet is all about them. And I find it dispiriting when people from other countries focus on the US when on a given subject, their own country or some other country might be of greater relevance/interest/magnificence/excellence.

But when you make a thread about the US (and despite its unwarranted attention, there are still certainly interesting things about the States worth discussing) it makes sense for Americans to respond.

I'm just saying i have no interest/not interested in this thread anymore. Thats all.
No satire intended.

[Kulindahr]

This thread has been taken over by Americans now LOL
I have no interest in this anymore.

Um... you invited us. Now you're leaving your own party because we came?

[Telstra]

Um... you invited us. Now you're leaving your own party because we came?

oh dear, i said i'm not interested in this thread.
You guys can go on and talk.


I'll keep skipping thro if anything interest to me.

[Kulindahr]

oh dear, i said i'm not interested in this thread.
You guys can go on and talk.


I'll keep skipping thro if anything interest to me.

You said you're not interested because it's filled up with Americans. Was that an excuse, or what?

[Telstra]

You said you're not interested because it's filled up with Americans. Was that an excuse, or what?

mmmm its not nice of me not to respond.
But here ...

[JayHawk]

This thread has been taken over by Americans now LOL
I have no interest in this anymore.

Doing what we do best... taking over.... lol <insert masculine image>

Wait. Am I missing the satire in that remark?

You made a thread about the US. I find it embarrassing for Americans when they think the internet is all about them. And I find it dispiriting when people from other countries focus on the US when on a given subject, their own country or some other country might be of greater relevance/interest/magnificence/excellence.

But when you make a thread about the US (and despite its unwarranted attention, there are still certainly interesting things about the States worth discussing) it makes sense for Americans to respond.

Everything isn't all about us? WTF! this thread is full of lies.... lies i tell you....

BTW what i highlighted in blue..... well it isn't possible so you should be so dispirited... that is like being dispirited over gravity or daylight. It just IS.

[maxpowr9]

^shhh, don't tell them this website used to be: "linkmeallover.ca" with .ca for Canadian.

[JayHawk]

Oh they know that Max... but you know since everything GOOD is all about the US... they had to move the site here...

[bankside]

Doing what we do best... taking over.... lol <insert masculine image>



Everything isn't all about us? WTF! this thread is full of lies.... lies i tell you....

BTW what i highlighted in blue..... well it isn't possible so you should be so dispirited... that is like being dispirited over gravity or daylight. It just IS.

LOL. If I recall correctly, you've travelled a fair bit abroad. I get the impression you're aware that even if your heart will always be in your home country, there is plenty going on outside it, and other people have got good reasons to keep their homelands in their hearts as well.

What I have seen online and at JUB is non-Americans using the internet to talk about the world, but Americans using the internet to talk about the US. It's not a rule, just a trend.