Uganda's "Kill the Gays" Bill Promised as a "Christmas Gift For Christians"

[Rolyo85]

So, apparently Uganda is still poised to pass that abominable bill.

Here's the post from JoeMyGod (it has links to other sources, which is why I picked it)

Ugandans "are demanding it," [Parliament Speaker Rebecca Kadaga] said, reiterating a promise she made before a meeting on Friday of anti-gay activists who spoke of "the serious threat" posed by homosexuals to Uganda's children. Some Christian clerics at the meeting in the Ugandan capital, Kampala, asked the speaker to pass the law as "a Christmas gift."

"Speaker, we cannot sit back while such (a) destructive phenomenon is taking place in our nation," the activists said in a petition. "We therefore, as responsible citizens, feel duty-bound to bring this matter to your attention as the leader of Parliament ... so that lawmakers can do something to quickly address the deteriorating situation in our nation."

I am disgusted beyond words. I hope this hellhole is completely crippled by international sanctions...

[JB3]

I'm a bit foul-mouthed this evening, so I'll just get this out of the way: What a cunt.

[bike10]

Back in the 1950's it was kill a commie for Jesus now its kill fag for Jesus.

[newbored]

So, you want an entire nation ("hellhole", in your words) to be "crippled" just because some stupid parliament speaker promised that bill to "some christian clerics"? Way to be melodramatic and a fundamentalist. The crazies never cease to swarm this forum, LOL...

[rareboy]

What could be more repugnant than for Christian activists, supported by the American and European evangelical movements, to ask for this as a 'Christmas' present.

Jesus wept.

[Laufey]

I hope the western countries who threatened to cut aid and put on sanctions will follow up their promises if this becomes a reality.

We can't force our culture or morals over others of course. But we can choose how we communicate with them. I don't think we should support countries if the majority supports behavior we consider to be barbaric and cruel.

They know that these actions could injure their economy and status in the international community and they still want to go ahead with it. If that's their wish then so be it.

[Sausy]

Agreed, we can't force them to fully embrace gays but the sanctions will go a long way to making them know outrageous conduct like this will NOT be tolerated by the international community. Fucking clergyman really think of it as "a Christmas gift"? Jesus wept, indeed.

[jackoroe]

Why just single out Uganda? How about any country run by Islamofascists that mistreats gays? Or are we a bit more reticent about confronting Islam than Christianity?

[Laufey]

It probably has more to do with business.

The world can't afford to boycott oil producing countries like Sandi-Arabia.

[sixthson]

Many ungodly things are done in the name of religion. It doesn't mean God supports it. We don't live under a theocracy any more.
Well, some countries do, but this is about people who claim to be Christian.
No matter what these people believe, this hatred is coming from the hearts of men and women, not God.

[BostonPirate]

There is a vast movement started by the nuns on the bus, that don't believe in legislating morality, but supporting the people who most support the philosophy of Jesus the person, who gave up all his worldly possesions, hung out with prostitutes, Fed the hungry, and told us it was god's right to judge, not men.

http://www.thechristianleft.org/
http://www.changingthefaceofchristianity.com/

In effect Jesus is against everything the religious right of this country are doing. He was not political. He was a threat to those that were political, because he stood for ideas that were inclusive of everyone.

Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do so to me. Then there's that pesky eye splinter he warned the religious zealots of...

I find it amusing that christians have killed more people than any other religion on the face of the planet, and yet they still want to cry victim.



And lets not pretend that this is not of influence in America.....

The GOP platform supports the Christian movement in Uganda, and Gov Perry personally made comments about it.....

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012...ay-laws-africa

An early draft of the Republican platform published by Politico accuses the Obama administration of "attempting to impose" on the "peoples of Africa…legalized abortion and the homosexual rights agenda." Since 2006, with the urging and influence of US conservative Christian groups, several African countries have considered or passed laws outlawing homosexuality. The most infamous of them, proposed in Uganda, would impose the death penalty for "aggravated homosexuality."

I think I am what you would call an aggravating homosexual, being married and all, so I tend to take this personally.

What Sec Clinton and Gov Perry state as each party position on this issue is clear....

As for imposing the ambitious "homosexual rights agenda" of trying to prevent people from being murdered or imprisoned by the state for not being heterosexual, in December of 2011 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave a speech proclaiming that "gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights." Shortly afterward, President Obama issued a memo "directing all agencies engaged abroad to ensure that U.S. diplomacy and foreign assistance promote and protect the human rights of LGBT persons." Texas Governor Rick Perry, then seeking the Republican nomination for president, said: "This is just the most recent example of an administration at war with people of faith in this country," and that "promoting special rights for gays in foreign countries is not in America's interests and not worth a dime of taxpayers' money." In some circles, not being imprisoned or executed for your sexual orientation is apparently a "special right."

If anyone here wants to have a real talk about what our politicians are doing, and who wants it stopped, and who wants it protected the evidence is clear.

The GOP platform and Gov Perry endorse Uganda's right to kill gays in the name of god, and they defend it as a religious freedom.

That it has come to this is bizarre.

NO american who understands and respects the strength in diversity of the USA would support this disgust, and there is no excuse for the religious right at this point.

They picked Romney, a habitual liar, who wanted to steal from the poor to give to the rich. It seems quite clear what " Political Christianity" in america supports and who it means to harm.

Thank god Obama was re elected. That's all I have to say.

[Rolyo85]

So, you want an entire nation ("hellhole", in your words) to be "crippled" just because some stupid parliament speaker promised that bill to "some christian clerics"? Way to be melodramatic and a fundamentalist. The crazies never cease to swarm this forum, LOL...

This is absolutely what I want. No first world country should offer ANY support to a state that KILLS some of its population for who they are. Even criminalizing homosexuality should bring penalties, but punishing it by DEATH crosses a line and I pity anyone who doesn't see that.

Why just single out Uganda? How about any country run by Islamofascists that mistreats gays? Or are we a bit more reticent about confronting Islam than Christianity?

Don't you dare turning this into the "libruls love Islam" crap. I don't single anyone out, Uganda is currently a hot topic because this law - CREATED BY PEOPLE FROM YOUR PARTY, LET ME REMIND YOU THAT - is discussed as something to be pushed in the immediate future. The forum is called Current Events and Politics, and this is a current event. And at the very least Islam is hostile to the western way of life. What's Christianity's excuse?


I am absolutely not saying this is Christian's fault. It is the fault of evil fanatics - in Uganda AND the US - who use Christianity as an excuse for their monstrosity. And I would say the exact same thing about any other country that has similar laws or is planning to introduce them. The US of A and the EU cannot support countries that criminalize homosexuality. And if they want our help, they should get on board with 21 century morality first.

[rareboy]

^ Agreed.

[BostonPirate]

^ Agreed.

I will second or third that.

[vulgar_newcomer]

So, you want an entire nation ("hellhole", in your words) to be "crippled" just because some stupid parliament speaker promised that bill to "some christian clerics"? Way to be melodramatic and a fundamentalist. The crazies never cease to swarm this forum, LOL...

You ever been to Uganda?

Like the rest of Uganda, the North suffers from a general lack of infrastructure.

Services such as emergency medical care are inadequate, and U.S. citizens are strongly advised to restrict their travel to primary roads and daylight hours due to hazardous driving conditions, the potential for banditry, and poor roadways.

Cattle rustling, armed banditry, and attacks on vehicles are common in the Karamoja region of northeastern Uganda, and the Uganda People’s Defense Force (UPDF) continues to implement a program to disarm Karamojong warriors. Past incidents included ambushes of UPDF troops, and attacks on vehicles, residences, and towns that resulted in multiple deaths. Most of the violence occurred in the districts of Kaabong, Kotido, and Abim, although some violent incidents also occurred in Moroto and Nakapiripirit Districts. In February 2010, unknown assailants attacked an NGO convoy near Nakapiripirit. Three people were killed and two others were injured. U.S. citizens are advised to avoid travel to the Karamoja region given the frequent insecurity. For U.S. Embassy personnel, any travel to Karamoja (excluding charter flights to Kidepo National Park) must first be authorized by the Chief of Mission.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...51.html#safety

[Rolyo85]

Lovely place. I can see how killing off gay people and straight allies would be at the top of their priorities...

[Mariatenebre]

So, you want an entire nation ("hellhole", in your words) to be "crippled" just because some stupid parliament speaker promised that bill to "some christian clerics"? Way to be melodramatic and a fundamentalist. The crazies never cease to swarm this forum, LOL...

Yes I do want the country to be crippled. A nation which kills it's gay population does not deserve to succeed. They deserve to suffer if they wish to enact a holocaust on gay people.

As for the psycho bitch who is enacting this bill it merely shows the depravity of her and this miserable country and of Christianity in general. Before Christianity and Islam gays were treated quite well in Africa but after these miserable ideas were forced on Africans now we have a potential gay holocaust in Uganda. Of course all of this is backed by Christian Evangelicals in our own country who rightfully should be tried for war criminals if this bill is passed. Of course I definitely think we should stop them if they enact this bill. This would be more then an outright sodomy law it would be a holocaust where both gays and their straight allies would be killed and gays would be killed not for just having gay sex but just for being gay.

I hope the western countries who threatened to cut aid and put on sanctions will follow up their promises if this becomes a reality.

We can't force our culture or morals over others of course. But we can choose how we communicate with them. I don't think we should support countries if the majority supports behavior we consider to be barbaric and cruel.

They know that these actions could injure their economy and status in the international community and they still want to go ahead with it. If that's their wish then so be it.

We forced our morals on the Axis Powers of World War 2 and these nations were better off for it. Sometime morality and human rights must be enforced.

I don't care if they embrace gays what I don't want is an outright holocaust and witch hunt.

Why just single out Uganda? How about any country run by Islamofascists that mistreats gays? Or are we a bit more reticent about confronting Islam than Christianity?

I fully believe that we should boycott Islamic countries as well and drill for oil in our own country.

[Kulindahr]

So, you want an entire nation ("hellhole", in your words) to be "crippled" just because some stupid parliament speaker promised that bill to "some christian clerics"? Way to be melodramatic and a fundamentalist. The crazies never cease to swarm this forum, LOL...

Absolutely.

It's like this: you own yourself. They own themselves. So they're responsible for their government, for dealing with its problems. Thomas Jefferson understand that when he said governments only govern by the just consent of the governed. So when governments are vile, it's not only the privilege but the duty of the citizens to deal with it.

Imposing sanctions merely isolates the country and so emphasizes that it's their problem. It's a very direct way of saying we're standing back and waiting for them to take care of their business. It tells them that when they grow their country up, we'll welcome them back into the human community.

[vulgar_newcomer]

Of course all of this is backed by Christian Evangelicals in our own country who rightfully should be tried for war criminals if this bill is passed. Of course I definitely think we should stop them if they enact this bill. This would be more then an outright sodomy law it would be a holocaust where both gays and their straight allies would be killed and gays would be killed not for just having gay sex but just for being gay.

I agree. One of the most graphic videos I have ever seen on the net is in Kenya where the new African Christians have a group of elderly people on the ground in a ditch and are accusing them of being witches, as they recently learned of the Christian version of. They are beating the hell out of these elderly men & woman pushing them into a ditch which is lit on fire. They are burning them. As the crawl out of the ditch on fire they are pushed and kicked back in. It took the local police nearly a hour to get to the scene, though they were notified quickly of the incident. The police were located less then a mile away. It was a horrible site to watch.

[bankside]

I hope the western countries who threatened to cut aid and put on sanctions will follow up their promises if this becomes a reality.

We can't force our culture or morals over others of course. But we can choose how we communicate with them. I don't think we should support countries if the majority supports behavior we consider to be barbaric and cruel.

We are not "our culture" or "our morals." We are forcing culture and morals on them. It isn't their behaviour which we consider to be barbaric and cruel, it is their behaviour which is barbaric and cruel.

Seal the borders and let them rot.

[Mariatenebre]

There is a vast movement started by the nuns on the bus, that don't believe in legislating morality, but supporting the people who most support the philosophy of Jesus the person, who gave up all his worldly possesions, hung out with prostitutes, Fed the hungry, and told us it was god's right to judge, not men.

http://www.thechristianleft.org/
http://www.changingthefaceofchristianity.com/

In effect Jesus is against everything the religious right of this country are doing. He was not political. He was a threat to those that were political, because he stood for ideas that were inclusive of everyone.

Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do so to me. Then there's that pesky eye splinter he warned the religious zealots of...

I find it amusing that christians have killed more people than any other religion on the face of the planet, and yet they still want to cry victim.



And lets not pretend that this is not of influence in America.....

The GOP platform supports the Christian movement in Uganda, and Gov Perry personally made comments about it.....

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012...ay-laws-africa




I think I am what you would call an aggravating homosexual, being married and all, so I tend to take this personally.

What Sec Clinton and Gov Perry state as each party position on this issue is clear....



If anyone here wants to have a real talk about what our politicians are doing, and who wants it stopped, and who wants it protected the evidence is clear.

The GOP platform and Gov Perry endorse Uganda's right to kill gays in the name of god, and they defend it as a religious freedom.

That it has come to this is bizarre.

NO american who understands and respects the strength in diversity of the USA would support this disgust, and there is no excuse for the religious right at this point.

They picked Romney, a habitual liar, who wanted to steal from the poor to give to the rich. It seems quite clear what " Political Christianity" in america supports and who it means to harm.

Thank god Obama was re elected. That's all I have to say.

This dosen't surprise me. If Rick Perry and his Christian ilk had their way then we would be killing gays here so it dosen't surprise me that he supports it in other countries. He and other Christian Fascists consider the act of just letting gays live giving them "special rights." All the three religions of patriarchy wish to do is oppress women and murder homosexuals.

[Kulindahr]

This is absolutely what I want. No first world country should offer ANY support to a state that KILLS some of its population for who they are. Even criminalizing homosexuality should bring penalties, but punishing it by DEATH crosses a line and I pity anyone who doesn't see that.



Don't you dare turning this into the "libruls love Islam" crap. I don't single anyone out, Uganda is currently a hot topic because this law - CREATED BY PEOPLE FROM YOUR PARTY, LET ME REMIND YOU THAT - is discussed as something to be pushed in the immediate future. The forum is called Current Events and Politics, and this is a current event. And at the very least Islam is hostile to the western way of life. What's Christianity's excuse?


I am absolutely not saying this is Christian's fault. It is the fault of evil fanatics - in Uganda AND the US - who use Christianity as an excuse for their monstrosity. And I would say the exact same thing about any other country that has similar laws or is planning to introduce them. The US of A and the EU cannot support countries that criminalize homosexuality. And if they want our help, they should get on board with 21 century morality first.

This is something Jesus predicted, that among His followers people would emerge who called good evil, and evil good; whose love would "grow cold"; who had a "form of godliness" but lacked the substance. These are the same as those He described as "whitewashed tombs", full on the inside of corruption and death. They seek the power of the world, which Jesus told His followers to set aside.

They are not messengers of God, but of Hell.

[Kulindahr]

Lovely place. I can see how killing off gay people and straight allies would be at the top of their priorities...

No kidding -- makes Somalia sound pleasant.

[Kulindahr]

Of course all of this is backed by Christian Evangelicals in our own country who rightfully should be tried for war criminals if this bill is passed. Of course I definitely think we should stop them if they enact this bill. This would be more then an outright sodomy law it would be a holocaust where both gays and their straight allies would be killed and gays would be killed not for just having gay sex but just for being gay.

Interesting notion. The thing to do would be to find a financial connection, which would constitute a material contribution to atrocities.

[Mariatenebre]

Interesting notion. The thing to do would be to find a financial connection, which would constitute a material contribution to atrocities.

I believe it is already known that Christian Evangelicals contributed both financially to Uganda and with their own blessings and propaganda.

[newbored]

LOL. Whatever. I was just thinking of all the human beings who don't agree with their government and can't tell them: "Hey, don't kill homosexual people", and who inevitably would be affected should their country be "crippled" with "international sanctions", especially, you know, children. But whatever, being outraged from your first-world haven is more important, apparently, LMFAO...

[DaggyG]

http://www.allout.org/uganda-now

Sign on gents, just hope that it works

[bankside]

LOL. Whatever. I was just thinking of all the human beings who don't agree with their government and can't tell them: "Hey, don't kill homosexual people", and who inevitably would be affected should their country be "crippled" with "international sanctions", especially, you know, children. But whatever, being outraged from your first-world haven is more important, apparently, LMFAO...

Ahh, there we go…."Kill the gays" is now a Child Development Program.