Fox News Is Killing The Republican Party

[CoolBlue71]

For at least the past two years, former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum has been saying that Republicans have found it is they, and not Fox News, who works for the other. When it comes to Fox News (and I loosely call them that for quick identification purposes), it's not a real news outfit. It's an Opinion-shaper programmer. The following editorial states that Fox News may as well be an enemy, not an asset, to this current Republican Party.



Fox News Is Killing The Republican Party

By Dan Hodges, The Telegraph
Nov. 8, 2012 | http://www.businessinsider.com/fox-n...-party-2012-11

or me there was no doubt about the high point of Wednesday morning's election coverage. At about four o’clock I flicked over to Fox to see how the good folks there were managing their grief. I was greeted by what – even by Fox standards – was an amazing sight. Karl Rove had become embroiled in a heated debate with his own network about their decision to call Ohio and the Presidency for Barack Obama. It was too early, he said. There were still lots of votes to be counted. They had to be right, not first.

[BostonPirate]

I sincerely doubt that, with the money fox has, that they will be going anywhere. They don't care that they sold the GOP ticket down the river... they just care about that bottom line profit.

It's good to see we can all openly just call this version of the GOP...... Fox republicans.

[JayHawk]

It does not matter how much you can demonstrate that Fox has become the master to the party and the opinion of their leagues. The bottom line is it works for them and makes money. Half of this country voted red... half. That is not failure. The finite numbers did not work out in their favor but that isn't the end of the world. 60.5 Million voted for Obama but 57.5 Million voted for Romney. That is losing but not by a whole damn bunch.

[BostonPirate]

well

What is profitable is not always electable, especially when you are peddling alternative comfort political reality as a replacement for policy.

How a party can go wrong there, I can't imagine.

[JayHawk]

I am just saying I see a lot of exuberant glee about the cognitive dissonance that was the Romney Campaign yet they barely lost.

Lots of hard shit is coming up the pike and how Fox portrays it will set opinions. Tax increases, Obamacare implementation and Afghanistan withdrawal are all going to come with substantial pain. 3 million isnt that hard to sway....

[BostonPirate]

They didn't barely lose. They got their ass handed to them. It was never close. Romney only pulled up even with Obama one week in a year and a half, and he never got ahead.

Lets separate the urban fox legends from the truth. Obama won big, by american electoral standards, and he brought a host of other progressives in with him in an election any other politician probably would have lost.

So Rove is in the shitter for this. Look at this article....

http://www.businessinsider.com/karl-...licans-2012-11

[JayHawk]

Oh believe me I understand the separate issue of the republican movers and shakers lying to their money men so they could keep getting cash. Obama won by less a margin than he did originally... first time a President has ever been reelected by less a margin than the origin.

Nothing has changed when it comes to legislation. They agreed to sequestration and Obama can veto a bill including taxes for over 250k so that issue goes forward after four years. But everything else can and will become a stale mate after the budget deal is felt to be shitty on republicans end of things.

Just know you heard it here first ... wink!

[chance1]

Thinking Frum's tbd network is hurting Repubs has been posted

But for shits and giggles

Fox is not responsible for Republican positions

That'd be Repub "leadership".

And they don't have that

Mitt was too soft and no one can stir the drink anything but bad

Fox maybe cheer leading and perhaps badly

But they're not the reason

[frankfrank]

http://www.businessinsider.com/karl-...licans-2012-11

Rather instructive, I think, that a user who calls him/herself "REAGAN" (implying that he/she is a "Reagan Republican" and idolizes that former President), said

reagan on Nov 10, 6:48 PM said:
I never left the Republican party. The Republican party left me

[Jack Springer]

If FOX hadn't been around during the last couple of months, Obama would have had an absolutely free ride to his re-election.

FOX fills a void. Ever watch the 5:30 national news on NBC, ABC or CBS? There is nothing there. FOX took over from CNN which desperately needs to reinvent itself.

MSNBC -- what can you say about a channel -- hard to call them a news channel when it's all opinion. They even have the same slogan as the Obama campaign had.

[JayHawk]

Except MSNBC didnt exist until Fox spent a decade shaping public opinion with faux news stories that leave out the entire story just to make political points.

I agree CNN is a bit empty these days and they don't even have a go to reporter... back in the day it was Anderson Cooper but these days they don't have a star talent that they give every big story...

Kinda sad isn't it. the only organization that actually reported unbiased news was run out of town on a rail by Fox and MSNBC....

[rareboy]

^ It is very sad and exactly what some of us (from Us and Canada) were discussing in Washington last week.

Even the cable news networks had somehow been co-opted to the nakedly partisan positions and that CNN was an excellent (tragic) reflection of what had happened even to the moderate voice in news.

Sic transit gloria mundi...

[TX-Beau]

If FOX hadn't been around during the last couple of months, Obama would have had an absolutely free ride to his re-election.

I'm sure the Obama campaign owes Fox News a gift basket or something - for living on the moon and taking all its viewership with them. So lets all say a big thank you to Roger Ailes without whose partisan wingnutty alternate reality, Republicans everywhere might have come up with a better candidate and a winning strategy.

Kudos, Roge, well done indeed.

[JayHawk]

I dunno RB. Megyn Kelly who made such a clam mockery of Rove when he had his mini meltdown is looking for a solid news slot. She has reigned supreme and is too much of a force to sit in the early afternoon. Perhaps when her contract is up she will find a better tasting deal over at CNN and reinvigorate their message.

Still it is telling that more folks tuned into CNN for election coverage. i did as well not wanting the bias of either other source.

Megyn Kelly Can Save Fox News

Bright Future for Fox News Anchor Megyn Kelly, Election Night Star

Oh and the greater glory has yet to come... trust me on that one....

[bike10]

According to Fox News they are "fair and balanced."

[Rolyo85]

According to Fox News they are "fair and balanced."

I think they may have gotten that slightly wrong ^_^

[Ninja108]

If FOX hadn't been around during the last couple of months, Obama would have had an absolutely free ride to his re-election.

FOX fills a void. Ever watch the 5:30 national news on NBC, ABC or CBS? There is nothing there. FOX took over from CNN which desperately needs to reinvent itself.

MSNBC -- what can you say about a channel -- hard to call them a news channel when it's all opinion. They even have the same slogan as the Obama campaign had.

Msnbc is to the left,Fox News is to the right and does a poor job of hiding it.

[Kulindahr]

^ It is very sad and exactly what some of us (from Us and Canada) were discussing in Washington last week.

Even the cable news networks had somehow been co-opted to the nakedly partisan positions and that CNN was an excellent (tragic) reflection of what had happened even to the moderate voice in news.

Sic transit gloria mundi...

Sic transit gloria Romney?

[BostonPirate]

So basically all the Fox haters still hate fox and all the people that like them don't believe that they misled them even though reality hit them up the side of the head like a 2x4.

When everything you've been told is incorrect, and the other news agency that got the whole thing right is proven as such, the FOX viewers decide to continue to drink the Murdoch punch and roll forward.

Well good luck to the one or two hold outs for FOX. That's a dedication to an alternate reality that Obamacare provides coverage for.

[Ninja108]

Fox News is and always will be a machine for the far right. Other then Shepard Smith,there really isn't a moderate voice on that network.

[Centexfarmer]

Thinking Frum's tbd network is hurting Repubs has been posted

But for shits and giggles

Fox is not responsible for Republican positions

I'll agree with you on that. The National Republican Party Delegate are supposed to be responsible for their party position.

FOX NEWS and it's Corporate owners are only responsible for putting "the spin" on whatever might get Republicans elected.

So I agree with you.

and for anyone to think that a

That'd be Repub "leadership".

And here I was hoping that you wouldn't go there.

They're hand in glove with each other on the very point that I just made.

And they don't have that

Mitt was too soft and no one can stir the drink anything but bad

Fox maybe cheer leading and perhaps badly

I don't know. It just seemed like there was a credible moment when Karl Rove protested that Fox called Ohio too early, and he got called on it.

But they're not the reason

It would be nice if FOX NEWS found a different approach during the upcoming four years, than the one that didn't seem to work for either them OR their candidates/pundits during the last four.

[Jack Springer]

^^^

You forgot a little fact -- the rest of the media spins for the democrats.

Why pick on Fox News.

[Rolyo85]

Obviously the rest of the media does no such thing if their predictions are accurate. Or would you claim Fox was somehow correct?

[Centexfarmer]

^^^

You forgot a little fact -- the rest of the media spins for the democrats.

Why pick on Fox News.

Poor thang! Bless your heart!



If believing in "Liberal Media Bias" keeps you off the Ambien, and justified in the amount of money that you spend drinking California wine (most which is produced by ex hippie, tree huggers turned capitalist), who am I to burst that bubble?

I use to read US magazine too, but only because I thought US was about the United States, and I realized that we still live in a Democratic Republic where we're at least (partially) free to think and choose on our own.

[Kulindahr]

^^^

You forgot a little fact -- the rest of the media spins for the democrats.

Why pick on Fox News.

Jack, one of these days you really need to learn the difference between reality and political fairy tales. See, in reality, the LSM had just about as many negative stories about Obama as positive ones during the election cycle.

Not that right-wingers care about facts, but one feels a duty to keep trying.

[frankfrank]

MSNBC -- what can you say about a channel -- hard to call them a news channel when it's all opinion. They even have the same slogan as the Obama campaign had.

But they DON'T call themselves a news channel - MSNBC originally meant Microsoft/National Broadcasting Company. Pretty sure that Microsoft has nothing to do with them anymore, but they're still considered "an NBC network" - but in none of this nomenclature do you find the word "NEWS."

I assume it's now, still, called MSNBC (originally MS/NBC) because of brand recognition and nothing else.

Fox News, on the other hand, DOES have "News" in its name, but in prime time you can't tune in and see any actual NEWS there, anymore than you can on MSNBC.

[Centexfarmer]

But they DON'T call themselves a news channel - MSNBC originally meant Microsoft/National Broadcasting Company. Pretty sure that Microsoft has nothing to do with them anymore, but they're still considered "an NBC network" - but in none of this nomenclature do you find the word "NEWS."

I assume it's now, still, called MSNBC (originally MS/NBC) because of brand recognition and nothing else.

Fox News, on the other hand, DOES have "News" in its name, but in prime time you can't tune in and see any actual NEWS there, anymore than you can on MSNBC.

That's not all together true.

FOX NEWS doesn't separate their "Editorial Opinion" prgrams from their "News" lineup, and sometimes they claim that their "editorial opinion" is newsworthy.

Hence the distinction.

[rareboy]

^^^

You forgot a little fact -- the rest of the media spins for the democrats.

Why pick on Fox News.

Just like all the polls were 'skewed' for the Dems prior to the election.

Damn those polls for changing the outcome of the election, eh Jack?

[chance1]

But they DON'T call themselves a news channel - MSNBC originally meant Microsoft/National Broadcasting Company. Pretty sure that Microsoft has nothing to do with them anymore, but they're still considered "an NBC network" - but in none of this nomenclature do you find the word "NEWS."

I assume it's now, still, called MSNBC (originally MS/NBC) because of brand recognition and nothing else.

Fox News, on the other hand, DOES have "News" in its name, but in prime time you can't tune in and see any actual NEWS there, anymore than you can on MSNBC.

So it's "all in the name".

Lol

Really ?

More Animal Farm silliness squared

[Jack Springer]

Poor thang! Bless your heart!



If believing in "Liberal Media Bias" keeps you off the Ambien, and justified in the amount of money that you spend drinking California wine (most which is produced by ex hippie, tree huggers turned capitalist), who am I to burst that bubble?

I use to read US magazine too, but only because I thought US was about the United States, and I realized that we still live in a Democratic Republic where we're at least (partially) free to think and choose on our own.

OK, I'm done with you .... US Magazine? LOL

I suppose you still have your subscription to People.


PS: buy a new bucket, extra large this time

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But they DON'T call themselves a news channel - MSNBC originally meant Microsoft/National Broadcasting Company. Pretty sure that Microsoft has nothing to do with them anymore, but they're still considered "an NBC network" - but in none of this nomenclature do you find the word "NEWS."

I assume it's now, still, called MSNBC (originally MS/NBC) because of brand recognition and nothing else.

Fox News, on the other hand, DOES have "News" in its name, but in prime time you can't tune in and see any actual NEWS there, anymore than you can on MSNBC.

You're serious, aren't you.

[Kulindahr]

So it's "all in the name".

Lol

Really ?

More Animal Farm silliness squared

F

He said exactly the opposite.

[Kulindahr]

You're serious, aren't you.

Of course he's serious. The point is that whether a channel claims to be news or not no longer makes a difference.

[Ninja108]

I guess Jack and Faux news must have missed how many newspapers were in Romney's corner this time around.