Jews for Hitler

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

your "explanation" reminds me of a true bullshit moment

Well, it's not an "explanation." It's "history."

Honestly, to what do YOU think the term "Jews for Hitler" is referring? Hint: They were real and I'll give you three guesses as to what year they supported Hitler.

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Of course he's not Hitler. It is NOT an analogy between Mitt Romney and Hitler

Comparing Romney to Hitler and comparing people who support a US Presidential candidate to Jews in nazi Germany just doesn't make any sense.

I love that you took the time to quote me and then pretended I said something completely different than what I actually did.

[BostonPirate]

[MassRuss]

As for Romney not being anti gay when Gov of MA, I give you my thread of a few days ago.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/thre...hile-Gov-of-MA

Not exactly a PFlag member, was he?

[rareboy]

So now we are just hilling the silt atop the tomb?

[Jack Springer]

Andy: "Nobody is comparing Romney with Hitler."
Jack: "You're evil because you compare Romney with hitler!"

...honestly, you can't make this shit up O.o Reading comprehension... No, make that READING fail.

???? What are you talking about?

I'll use an old phrase .. EPIC FAIL

[Jack Springer]

No you get a F. While that was the end result and his sinister goal it was not how the Nazi party came into power. Maybe if the word Hitler was changed to Nazi political party that would be a better term? Hitler didn't achieve success as a one man army, he had plenty of help in his evil beliefs and they aided in securing power the previous decade before the first Jew, Pole, gypsy, gay, handicapped ever hit the fires.

"the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying".

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X ,1925

The rise of nazi Germany had more to do with how the allies treated Germany at the end of WWI. Germany was treated opposite of how the allies treated the defeated Germany and Japan after WWII. Germans are a very resilient people -- they came back from utter defeat and destruction but very mad at how France, Britain and others treated them. Hitler feed off the German people's anger -- he was the "wrong" person at the right time.

[Benvolio]

The rise of nazi Germany had more to do with how the allies treated Germany at the end of WWI. Germany was treated opposite of how the allies treated the defeated Germany and Japan after WWII. Germans are a very resilient people -- they came back from utter defeat and destruction but very mad at how France, Britain and others treated them. Hitler feed off the German people's anger -- he was the "wrong" person at the right time.

The single biggest factor bringing Hitler to power was the fear of communism. Both fed off the frustation after WWI, and the communists very nearly came power-- a mortal threat to the business owners, land owners, clergy, opposition etc. That fear drove respectable people to Hitler as the lesser of two evils.

[juanprox]

This whole thread is disgusting.

[palbert]

I sincerely doubt that persons using the phrase are concerned with historical accuracy.

[bankside]

Have any of you watched "8: The Mormon Proposition."

There were parents whose gay son had killed themselves and who felt it was "for the best." Better dead than gay.

The most infamous kind of genocide is when you can convince people to do the job themselves. The most perverse kind of theocracy is when parents see death as best for their own children. It is easily as gruesome as any concentration camp. It is the extermination camp of the mind, of the society, of the party, of the church.

Incidentally, Mormons are far from the only demographic with blood on their hands; they are only a prominent illustrative example. There are many other nut-bar religious groups who both hypocritically proclaim salvation whilst insinuating themselves into people's psyches and then motivate them to suicide as the price of their "failure" to be a straight pious believer.

The thing is, the majority of those groups align themselves with just one party in the United States. And the good people in that party are wrong to permit it. The ends do not justify the means. It is not acceptable to count on their support because of an economic disagreement with one's political opponents. And supporting that party so long as it refuses to clean house is not something where reasonable people can agree to disagree. Supporting them is just flat unethical.

[chance1]

I sincerely doubt that persons using the phrase are concerned with historical accuracy.

BOOM x 10 !!!!!

[Rolyo85]

???? What are you talking about?

I'll use an old phrase .. EPIC FAIL

I'm talking about your inability to follow lines of thought throughout a single post. Andy says he's not comparing Romney with hitler and in your response you're accusing him of comparing Romney with hitler. Do you know what impression that gives readers? Not good. And your old phrase is very accurate to describe it.

[Stardreamer]

Are we still repeating these falsehoods? The economy is in very bad condition, yet has been creating jobs for many months in a row? Growth could be better, but the GOP has held up legislation that could help job growth increase further. Mitt Romney is pathetic. His focus on business? News just in, Herbert Hoover focused on business and was actually an excellent businessman... and his record as President... that's a different story.

Businessman make lousy politicians and lousy leaders. Romney led a state that ranked 47th in job creation. That doesn't sound too businessman like to me. He was busy shipping off jobs. He entered the job as Governor with a 66% approval rating and left with a 34% approval rating.

I've pressed on these matters, but there doesn't seem to be any reply.

In my honest opinion, Mitt Romney doesn't know shit about fixing the economy. Obama has demonstrated an adequate job at helping the economy... but it's mostly not up to him. The PRESIDENT does not FIX the private sector. It depends on private businesses. Businesses have been producing record profits... so that leads me to believe they are holding back with job creation. Romney's tax plan is an absolute disaster.

Again I'll reiterate, the line that businessmen make the best leaders is a crock... and not what we need. They make the worst presidents. Just take a look at history.

Both Politifact and Fact check note that while accurate the 47% figure is misleading the way Romney critics use it. Overall for his four years the figure is 47% but it was 50% when he entered office and 28% when he left so while the total figure is 47% it leaves out the context that it was improving through out his time in office. On the other paw, they also note that most experts point out that job creation in any one state is more influenced by the state of the economy in the nation as a whole than anything the state's governor does. Politifact called this claim a half-truth.

[rareboy]

So if Jews for Hitler gets some panties in knot, how about saying that Gays voting for Romney/Ryan would be like African Americans voting for David Duke.

[MisterB]

So if Jews for Hitler gets some panties in knot, how about saying that Gays voting for Romney/Ryan would be like African Americans voting for David Duke.

+1 very astute...

[Benvolio]

No, it is more like the German people have to choose between the communists and the nazis, knowing that the one or the other is likely to get control. The best defense against communism were the nazis and vice versa. Republican are nothing like the nazis, but both parties are coalitions which necessarily include some aspects which one would prefer to do with out. In the balance, the democrats are far, far, worse than the Republicans. And, yes, the democrats are something like the communists.

[Jack Springer]

I'm talking about your inability to follow lines of thought throughout a single post. Andy says he's not comparing Romney with hitler and in your response you're accusing him of comparing Romney with hitler. Do you know what impression that gives readers? Not good. And your old phrase is very accurate to describe it.

EPIC FAIL again

Have you voted?

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

EPIC FAIL again

Do you know any "other" lines? You keep repeating "epic fail" yet the fact remains I was very clear in NOT comparing Romney to Hitler, you QUOTED it and then pretended that I WAS comparing Romney to Hitler. Rolyo pointed it out to you and all you can say to him is epic fail epic fail epic fail?

Have you given up all pretense of intellectual honesty at this point?

[chance1]

So if Jews for Hitler gets some panties in knot, how about saying that Gays voting for Romney/Ryan would be like African Americans voting for David Duke.

not quite as heinous but real close

i knew you'd come up with something .......... sick

keep em coming rareboy

[bankside]

So here we are a few days in to this shower of indignation and it occurs to me the point of the thread is to cast opponents of the republican agenda as thoughtless demagogues and petty, unhinged bullies because of a turn of phrase.

The shoe doesn't fit.

But I will put on my theocratic ass-kicking boots for long enough to level some very level-headed charge:
The US Republican Party has blood on its hands.

Indeed it has showered blood on its hands over the last 30 years. Gay blood for its indifference to AIDS under doddering Saint Reagan. Foreign blood over the "hold-my-beer" adventurist indifference to WMD evidence under the juvenile frat-boy Bush Junior, and American/Allied blood in the same conflict over Bush's inept dismissal of qualified translators and other military experts whose only supposed disloyalty was being gay and the full use of whose expertise could have perhaps landed Osama's corpse in the ocean years before. And more gay blood on Republican hands for all the pious bullying and theocratic meddling they have directed at the vulnerable gay youth in the United States. And frankly proposing Sara Palin for high office is such a gross error in judgement it beggars belief. Anyone who would consider her qualified to be in charge of the red button might as well put a mad mullah in charge. They are made from the same kind of crazy.

I'm not interested in arguing about the niceties of polite language and etiquette lessons that are equal parts Rush Limbaugh and Emily Post. I'm interested to hearing an answer to those charges, if there is one, of what the Repblican Party has done and what it planned to do. Until then Republican sympathisers can shout "Out, damned spot!" but we can see what they're trying to wash away.

[Benvolio]

Too much stuff to answer it all. I would point out that when Palin was nominated she was far more qualified than Obama. She had been a successful Governor, while he had been a LOL "community organizer". LOL . His short period in the Senate was spent runnung for office and blindly voting the party line on every bill. He had never in his life been in s position to make actual decisions as she had as Governor.

[TX-Beau]

She was Governor for half a term, in a state with less people in it than Houston,then she quit in a fit of pique because she was a big ole loser.
Stop taking that medication Ben, it's not helping.

Now of course you are going to blithely ignore Bankside, because of course, you have no leg to stand on.

Honestly sometimes I truly believe you ARE one of those redneck, fact ignoring, history inventing, religious whackjob women sent in here on some pointless quest.

[BostonPirate]

EPIC FAIL again

Have you voted?

Why are you bullying him based on his immigration status?

This is the darkest underbelly of the GOP and I thought it was against the rules around here.

[TX-Beau]

Why are you bullying him based on his immigration status?

This is the darkest underbelly of the GOP and I thought it was against the rules around here.

Because he's saying things Jack doesn't want to hear. I can't decide if the right wingers in here are just desperate to keep telling themselves their favorite - ahem - tales, in order to stave off the fear of the black man, or if it's actually some kind of weird political agenda they're on to attack a demographic that they know going in they have no hope of swaying.

[BostonPirate]

Because he's saying things Jack doesn't want to hear.

Oh I know what he is doing it FOR... he is doing it because he wants to shut him up. How he's doing it? It's pathetically xenophobic and racist.

It's race baiting in one of the clearest form's I've ever witnessed.

[opinterph]

I would point out that when Palin was nominated she was far more qualified than Obama. She had been a successful Governor, while he had been a LOL "community organizer". LOL .

I listened to Governor Palin briefly on Sean Hannity’s radio program today. She related her surprise from the several days before the election 4 years ago – when she realized Obama was going to win. She suggested it was a reaction of the voters to the collapsing economy. They needed to feel secure and that Obama’s “hopey changey” message fit that situation. She related that she has matured since that time, though I think she used a different word. But regardless of her executive experience and subsequent personal growth, I still don’t think she’s ready.

[JayHawk]

Too much stuff to answer it all. I would point out that when Palin was nominated she was far more qualified than Obama. She had been a successful Governor, while he had been a LOL "community organizer". LOL . His short period in the Senate was spent runnung for office and blindly voting the party line on every bill. He had never in his life been in s position to make actual decisions as she had as Governor.

She was unable to complete one term as a Governor because she is an incompetent failure. The only reason she has money is because of all the incompetent failures who like to hear her talky talk.

[Jack Springer]

Oh I know what he is doing it FOR... he is doing it because he wants to shut him up. How he's doing it? It's pathetically xenophobic and racist.

It's race baiting in one of the clearest form's I've ever witnessed.

Chill man. Start happy hour later.

[JayHawk]

Yeah chill man he was just doing his best to insult the other guy... relax would ya?

[chance1]

Oh I know what he is doing it FOR... he is doing it because he wants to shut him up. How he's doing it? It's pathetically xenophobic and racist.

It's race baiting in one of the clearest form's I've ever witnessed.

More nazi propaganda

Repeat a lie over and over

And make it big

[TX-Beau]

Hmmm. sounds completely Republican to me.

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

More nazi propaganda

Repeat a lie over and over

And make it big

Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God you said NAZI!!! You called him a NAZI!! Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God!!!!!!!

You said NAZI
You said NAZI

Oh My God you're calling people NAZIS!!!

(faints)

[Kulindahr]

I find the most interesting thing in this thread is how a certain poster who whines about others acting like mods and trying to tell others what to do spends so much time and haiku telling everyone what they should do.

[chance1]

Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God you said NAZI!!! You called him a NAZI!! Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God!!!!!!!

You said NAZI
You said NAZI

Oh My God you're calling people NAZIS!!!

(faints)

are u in theater ?

[Kulindahr]

I'm going to describe the problem with a mathematical view: looking at "Jews for Hitler" as a vector, it's in the right direction but is too great in length.

[bankside]

I'm going to describe the problem with a mathematical view: looking at "Jews for Hitler" as a vector, it's in the right direction but is too great in length.

Well said.

I'm going to add a probability function however; the probability of the vector being too long is neither 1 nor 0. Particularly if you add a time scale on a new axis.

[Just_Believe18]

More nazi propaganda

Repeat a lie over and over

And make it big

Congratulations, chance1. You came full circle and just sank your own thread. I guess not even you can resist that Nazi crack.

[eastofeden]

I basically think the same thing...I get the Jews for Hitler reference and there is good reason for it....

Case in point...Uganda. Many Elected Republicans and American Evangelists had direct ties and many documented visits with the officials in UGANDA who adopted the DEATH TO GAYS legislation. When criticized by the world and some Americans a few of the bewildered Ugandan officals expressed surprise and oturage because they claimed they were acting on the advice of these Americans.




Take for instance this election. Buch and hsi policies got us into this mess. Obama was met with resistance fromt he Republcians who said NO to every effeort he made,...and now that we are making strides the American people want to return to the same policies that got us into this mess?

[rareboy]

Congratulations, chance1. You came full circle and just sank your own thread. I guess not even you can resist that Nazi crack.

Omg.

I have to say that it made me laugh out loud to read the NAZI reference, which, I suppose, we will now all be told was completely intentional.

Bringing NAZI into a thread about Jews for Hitler to criticize the people who were critical of the reasoning behind the OP's hissy fit?

Absofuckinglutley priceless.

[ReadyWithReadyWit]

I'm sure that being gay does not entirely describe who you are as a person. You are more than that.

I am indeed more than that. I am a human being and a proud citizen of this incredible nation of ours deserving of basic rights and dignities. The irony is that I am not using the label "gay" in order to gain these rights; the opposition is using that label and distinction to keep those rights away from me.

[bankside]

Jews for Hitler, while hyperbolic, accurately reflects the level of frustration advocates of LGBT rights have for LGBTs to vote against the interests of this community.

Jockboy, I agree with the "hyperbolic" part, but I think "interests" is too broad.

Maybe it's in my interests to have a government build a library, or maybe it's in my interests to see a road project completed with user-pay tolls instead of general revenue. We can differ on what our interests are. What the Republican party is attacking, election after election, dredging up petty bigotry and ignorance whenever it might squeeze out a few votes for them, is our basic human dignity. Gay people don't have an argument with Republicans over whether there should be a local sales tax or not; we're fighting their idea that we don't deserve full human rights.

I've mentioned it in other threads: my lesson from visiting Mauthausen was not how unique or otherworldly the place is: to the contrary, I was alarmed by how familiar it was, and how effortlessly it fits into a beautiful countryside filled with happy prosperous towns, hundreds of years old. It taught me that a concentration camp could be just over the next hill, in any community, without our vigilance.

And of course NAZIism did not materialize out of thin air. It congealed from hateful stinking attitudes of many Europeans toward minorities that NAZI party leaders exploited. The Republican Party includes too many people that give off the same whiff, and too many people indifferent to that as long as it gets them elected.

[Kulindahr]

I am indeed more than that. I am a human being and a proud citizen of this incredible nation of ours deserving of basic rights and dignities. The irony is that I am not using the label "gay" in order to gain these rights; the opposition is using that label and distinction to keep those rights away from me.

Absolutely. What Jack forgets is that while you may be more than gay, you are never less than that.

[Centexfarmer]

^ Well, chance1. You've made it clear how you feel about me, BostonPirate, and others on here. What do you think of centex's response to your thread? You're conspicuously leaving him out of the discussion. And he's the one that actually believes you're a "Jew for Hitler." Is this genuine outrage, or are you really just targeting individual members here?

clarity is a good thing no ?

and as usual u position yourself inauthentically above the fray when you're thick in it

stirring

as for centex, i have no idea what his lengthy posts mean 3/4 of the time

but i suspect he views u as i do

but i could be wrong

Just to clarify I hate this fucking thread!

On one hand I've been accused of "poisoning the well" by providing ammo for an argument to prove why any gay man might feel that way toward another.

On the other hand I appear to have (as a Moderator justified that distinction).

I've tried to inject some humor by indicating that it's a "West Coast/East Coast" Gay Thing.

West Coast Gays, who've been in the trenches trying to take back Marriage Equality that had already been given to them by the California State Supreme Court, and then in only a way that Californian's could do by referendum, was snatched away by serious financial support from the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons which former POTUS Candidate Romney serves as a Bishop) had any real bearing on this conversation.

Some East Coast Gays personally attacked me as a Moderator for giving credence to the West Coast Gay's argument (one, that is presumed that they couldn't have come up with on their own), until I brought up the fact that Romney is a Bishop in the Mormon church, and no one really want's to discuss that.

Here's my personal thing.

I have never agreed with the idea of denigrating some one because of their personal political choices.

That's what I personally hate about the direction that our political discourse has taken in our country.

But because I said nothing, both as a member of JUB, this forum, and as a Moderator, I apparently condoned one perception about what I stated previously in this thread, while not directly supporting a perception and perspective of why another fellow Gay Supported a different perspective.

Which is why this thread will remain closed, and the Obama Haters, and Obama Ball Lickers can go and fuck themselves.

If all that this forum is going to be, become, and perhaps remain is as an "echo chamber" of "like minded" Queers who are as intolerant of each other (either through geography, upbringing, or perspectives), as those who actively, politically, and financially hate us because we ARE QUEER, if that's the message, if that's the Welcome Sign outside the door of this forum, then it appears to me that most of you can't read:

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