Proof of a Neo-Racist Republican Party?

[JayHawk]

This is an interesting article that will be affirmed by those on the left who base most of their disagreement with the republican party on their policy stances that deny rights to many. Likewise it will be immediately disregarded by those leaning right who simply like arguing defense or think it cant be that bad. However I would ask you to read it and go into it with an open mind despite the rather divisive article title.

The piece revolves around the concept of the southern block of states that vote reliably republican based off of their white vote primarily. It is very well written in my opinion and pulls somewhat empirical data although it is survey or poll based.

Is the Republican Party Racist?

It depends on race-baiting tactics and the votes of former Confederate states.

It does make an interesting point that without that reliable southern block no modern republican would find and hold a major national office.

Looked at another way, as things stand, there would be no presidential "race" at the moment if it weren't for those ex-confederate states—even if they split their votes. Mitt Romney would have little or no chance of winning and might as well quit the race now. Nor would the GOP have much chance of re-taking the Senate or even winning the House again. They would be dead as a political party if not for the legacy of racism. I think that's a fact. Do you think it's "he said/she said"?

This was the key evidence I found compelling in the argument that without race baiting there is no republican national presence.

Schaller builds this conclusion on one of the most impressive papers in recent political science, "Old Times There Are Not Forgotten: Race and Partisan Realignment in the Contemporary South," by Nicholas Valentino and David Sears. Running regressions on a massive data set of ideological opinions, Sears and Valentino demonstrate with precision that for example, a white Southern man who calls himself a "conservative," controlling for racial attitudes, is no less likely to chance a vote for a Democratic presidential candidate than a Northerner who calls himself a conservative. Likewise, a pro-life or hawkish Southern white man is no less likely—again controlling for racial attitudes—than a pro-life or hawkish Northerner to vote for the Democrat. But, on the other hand, when the relevant identifier is anti-black answers to survey questions (such as whether one agrees "If blacks would only try harder they could be just as well off as whites," or choosing whether blacks are "lazy" or "hardworking"), an untoward result jumps out: white Southerners are twice as likely than white Northerners to refuse to vote for the Democratic presidential candidate. Schaller writes: "Despite the best efforts of Republican spinmeisters … the partisan impact of racial attitudes in the South is stronger today than in the past."

So I can almost predict the results and from which players on the board. But I found it an interesting read. So weigh in if you so wish.

[rareboy]

The Southern Strategy relied heavily on harnessing the anger of the whites who felt betrayed by Johnson and the Democratic party.

Today's Republican party now exists in large part, because of that legacy.

It was an interesting read.

[JayHawk]

What i found remarkable is the concept that without that white racially influenced base there is not republican party. At least not holding national offices.

Outsiders often wonder why America is so much more conservative than most of the worlds "first world" countries and it appears clearly evident that without a republican party we would have a moderate wing and a liberal wing that would be vying for power.

So we also held onto slavery for much longer than the world. I wonder if there will be a direct correlation between when we become more liberal as a nation and the length of time it took us to abolish slavery compared to the rest of the world.

[Benvolio]

Without the racist block votes of the blacks or hispanics or Asians or etc, the Democrat party could never elect an official. So the Democrats continually accuse the Republicans of racism to keep the racial blocks unified and hoatile to Republicans. This thread is an example of that. Accusing the whites of racism is of course racism and it is what holds the Democrat party together.

[JayHawk]

Yeah AAgold the article specifically says that but goes further to give examples of the race baiting the party has taken part in to ensure they keep their racially motivated members.

[Kulindahr]

How long till the rightists here weigh in with the claim that pointing out that someone is racist makes them a racist?

Estimating numbers from that article gives me a figure, if there were no racists in the South or anywhere else and that these newly moral people voted on the issues like others, of Romney with around 120 electoral votes tops. I wouldn't have guessed that at ll.

The article doesn't address it directly, but it makes the case for why non-whites vote solidly non-GOP: no one in his right mind goes to hang around people who despise him.

[T-Rexx]

Without the racist block votes of the blacks or hispanics or Asians or etc, the Democrat party could never elect an official. So the Democrats continually accuse the Republicans of racism to keep the racial blocks unified and hoatile to Republicans. This thread is an example of that. Accusing the whites of racism is of course racism and it is what holds the Democrat party together.

This is an absurd argument.

The Republican Party is lily white and almost nothing but. That is because the party actively discourages non-white members. Actively discourages gays. Actively discourages Hispanics. Actively discourages non-Christians. Nobody joins the Republican Party except whites, because whites are the only people who are welcome.

The Democratic Party, on the other hand, is a blend of every demographic, including whites.

If Democrats were inherently racist, then white Democrats would not tolerate the black membership, and vice versa. Nor would the Asians tolerate the blacks nor the blacks the Hispanics, etc., etc., etc. The very diversity present within the Democratic Party is an indication of its relative tolerance.

Your attempt to deny the inherent racism within the Republican Party is also absurd. The "southern strategy" was specifically crafted by Goldwater and Nixon to leverage racism into political power. That is a matter of historical record. The southern strategy remains critical to the GOP's success. It was racist in the 1960s, and it is racist today.

If it makes you so uncomfortable, why don't you do something about it, Benvolio?

[Rolyo85]

Using somebody else's racism for your political advantage by promoting inclusion is NOT racist. It might be racial something or other, but it's the OPPOSITE of racist. Just because they don't open their arms to minorities out of the evilness of their hearts but for political gain, doesn't make the gesture any less meaningful in societal terms. How moronic is THIS false equivalency?

[maxpowr9]

Racism is a two-way street and to say that only whites are racist is a fallacious statement at best. Racism by white people is the most visible but to say other races don't discriminate [not necessarily against whites either] is wrong.

The article does give a nice summation of race-relations in the 20th century. I think the one thing the article dances around and doesn't mention is that many of these "old whites" are racist because they [correctly yet irrationally] fear they will become a minority in the near future.

[Jack Springer]

Liberal jerkoff session

[maxpowr9]

I'm sceptical that race has much to do with it tbh. The repub stength in the southern states is surely due to the bible belt?

Read the article hun so people don't lambast you for stupidity.

[JayHawk]

Because the article lays out why it is based in a racist white voting bloc.

[JayHawk]

Liberal jerkoff session

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion but face it with the numbers being posted last election and this election the republican party is going towards obscurity as the nation becomes more and more diverse. The numbers don't lie. This article just attempts to rationally look at the voting bloc that staunchly supports the racist republican party.

[chance1]

this is a scary thread .......

reminds me of obama supporters calling romney a liar all sunday morning

the script said "call romney a liar" - and then do it again - and again

JH - right now romney is leading obama in national polls - so your "republican party" is going by the wayside, etc. is not evident at this snapshot in time

and i can tell u simply as a strategy - calling the repubs racist just as calling romney a liar - is a losing proposition

and the thread is a baiting thread

[Centexfarmer]

Jayhawk it's worse than all of that.

Here in Texas the "presumptive nominee" to replace Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison is a 41 year old "Cuban" (born in Canada) named Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz is a Tea Bagger of the First Order.

And I'm so pissed at Belo Corporation, owners of WFAA TV here in Dallas, and the Dallas Morning News.

Kudos because they hosted the first Statewide Debate between Ted Cruz and the his Democratic Challanger Paul Sadler.

Pissed that it was the first time that anyone put the two of them in the same room in front of television cameras, and pissed that WFAA and their corresponding "journalists" were shocked that someone would call "the presumptive nominee" out on his bullshit Tea Party "talking points," and as a result made the Democratic Challenger out to be the 'ass.'

Where in the fuck is our media?

Our "fourth column" of our Democracy?

When shown the light of day, and how extreme that faction of the Republican Party is, and their ideas (once worked out to their "logical" conclusions) don't add up to anything beyond xenophobic, fear mongering power grabs.

My favorite Ted Cruz quote of that debate was his answer to Paul Sadler's question 'Why won't you agree to six debates since you hammered the Republican Lt. Governor during the primaries about putting himself out there for the voters to see his record?'

Ted Cruz's response? 'It's not my responsibility to give you free publicity.'

Yeah, that would be the responsibility of Belo Corporation that reports your every "press release" as FACT because you're the "presumptive winner," and Gawd forbid if we should lose any subscriptions that would disrupt the narrative of the Texas GOP readers who support us.

So it's not just a "perspective" it's endemic down here.

[Kulindahr]

Using somebody else's racism for your political advantage by promoting inclusion is NOT racist. It might be racial something or other, but it's the OPPOSITE of racist. Just because they don't open their arms to minorities out of the evilness of their hearts but for political gain, doesn't make the gesture any less meaningful in societal terms. How moronic is THIS false equivalency?

By their logic, Jesus was a hater for calling out the powerful and wealthy for their corruption and inhumanity, and Gandhi was racist for opposing the British raj.

[Kulindahr]

I'm sceptical that race has much to do with it tbh. The repub stength in the southern states is surely due to the bible belt?

You mean the "We Don't Really Read the Bible but Like to Hit People With It" Belt.

You have a certain point, but you'll also find that many of those Bible-wielders are also racist... despite their Savior.

[Kulindahr]

this is a scary thread .......

reminds me of obama supporters calling romney a liar all sunday morning

the script said "call romney a liar" - and then do it again - and again

If Romney didn't lie so often, he wouldn't get called a liar so often.

and the thread is a baiting thread

Only to those who like to bury the truth using false equivalency.

[TX-Beau]

I'm sceptical that race has much to do with it tbh. The repub stength in the southern states is surely due to the bible belt?

Yeah, being a foreigner I'll give you a pass on that. It's simply ridiculous to say that racism in religion in the South isn't part and parcel of the culture. Racism in the South has been religiously justified since we were Britain. What I will say is that racism isn't the ONLY factor, but it is a big one. People who tell you otherwise are living in a fantasy world.

[JayHawk]

It is rather hard for a northerner to believe until they come and hear it with their own ears on the nightly news.

Chance when the polls say across the board that Romney has a five to ten point lead then i will think something changed. Romney simply said what people wanted to hear and not what he has run on for the last two years. I am surprised you are that easily duped. I am not surprised the average public is that duped.

[Jack Springer]

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion but face it with the numbers being posted last election and this election the republican party is going towards obscurity as the nation becomes more and more diverse. The numbers don't lie. This article just attempts to rationally look at the voting bloc that staunchly supports the racist republican party.

JH -- the republican party will not disappear. Democrats having been saying the same thing about republicans and republicans have been saying the same thing about democrats for years.

Both will be around ... both will continue to change as people change.

One thing the democrat party should be concerned with is that hispanics could create a party of their own and make the democratic party a very small party.

[bankside]

JayHawk, very interesting article. The trouble is, everyone can think of at least one republican who is not a racist asshat, which "proves" that the article is wrong. It's hard to get people to understand trends, percentages, and probabilities.

[BostonPirate]

All the racists I know are republicans.

All the republicans I know are not racist.

the statistics, however are startling and should be eye opening.

[JayHawk]

That would be incredible. How do they enforce it?

[BostonPirate]

You can't compel Americans to vote.

Attaching fines would play out as a poll tax which is illegal here.

[JayHawk]

That would be AWESOME. People would be forced to vote and pay the fuck attention or just simply vote. If all the people over 18 listened to Romney and then listened to Obama then there would never be a republican elected again.

[Kulindahr]

A lot of people, if required to vote, would just go down the ballot picking names randomly, or voting for the first person in each section.

The only way I'd think of supporting mandatory voting is if "None Of The Above" was a ballot option -- and if an actual majority were required to win; no more pluralities. While we're at it, make the House of Representatives proportional within state delegations.

[andysayshi]

All Australian citizens are on the Australian Electoral Roll, i.e. registered to vote. You can register in any post office, electoral office, or online. They send reminders around elections or if they figure out you've moved. If you don't vote, you get fined. It's about a $100 fine. If you can provide a decent excuse (which is very easy) the fine is waived.

[BostonPirate]

The GOP opposed most motor voter registration, yet want state id to vote. You can see how the corrupt american system has already made that proposition impossible.

[bankside]

You can't compel Americans to vote.

Attaching fines would play out as a poll tax which is illegal here.

Nonono. You're thinking about the optics all wrong. Make voting compulsory but deny the vote to anyone without a driver's license, a DNA sample, a passport, and their name in the family bible. Then fine them for not voting under the mandatory voting law.

The only thing better than denying people the right to vote is fining them for it at the same time. Republican gold.

[BostonPirate]

lol

And call them victims, takers and useless for not paying taxes and wanting a handout as they do it.

[Benvolio]

Actually, Reagan fused the modern Republican party after Roe v. Wade, unifying the opposition from Christians and the Republican party of traditional Americans.
Since the Civil War, the Dems have been the party of minorities. At first, a coalition of Southern bigots and Norther immigrants, all united by their resentment of the northern WASP majority. "rum, romanism and rebellion".
Now, as Pat Rendell famously said, "Blacks and Hispanics are the heart and soul of the Democrat base."
This is not an accident. The Democrats have worked to split the minorities from the majority by continuously telling the minorities that Republicans hate them. But also by legislation giving all minorities, including those just off the boat, special rights at the expense of the majority. In Obamas wall street "reform" act Banks and those who supply them are required to hire minorities and women "to the maximum extent possible". It is virtually illegal to hire white men. Blatant racism for partisan purposes.
The effect of course, has been to draw more of the assimilated majority to the Republican party. The Democrat have retaliated by doing everything possible to facilitate the abortion of American babies and the flood of minority immigrants.
The Democrat parts racist policies is responsible for the racism that still influences our politics.

[bankside]

Actually, Reagan fused the modern Republican party after Roe v. Wade, unifying the opposition from Christians and the Republican party of traditional Americans.

Traditional my ass.

There were few laws on abortion in the United States at the time of independence, except the English common law adopted into United States law by Acts of Reception, which held abortion to be legally acceptable if occurring before quickening. James Wilson, a framer of the U.S. Constitution, explained as follows:

“ With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger.

[3]

From Wikipedia. If the republicans and their puppets within the judiciary want to get back to "original intent," they should be insisting on a repeal of abortion restrictions, and that the day-after pill be made widely available.

[Jack Springer]

An example how liberals are not racist . . . .

(actually a perfect example how liberals cannot accept blacks as conservatives)

[BostonPirate]

blacks

You don't even realize how that appears when people read it. Sadly, racists honestly don't understand that their behavior is unnaceptable, and rarely know how to censor it. When other "whites" hear that kind of crap, it is embarrassing. I am honestly embarrassed for you and for all other "whites" your behavior and words are unsettling. When the GOP finds it's values, and it's patriotism, give me a call. As it stands right now, the "BLACK" in the oval office has done more for the american people than the do nothing congress being held hostage by the tea party ever has.

As a member of the party of Abe Lincoln you ought to be ashamed of the way you speak here. At least have the decency to go join a white supremacist party and stop fucking up the GOP so we can actually have a two party system again.

[JayHawk]

I think they have a strong base in racist Americans for the republican party. BUT even our process acknowledges black as the race. There is an ongoing argument about which term to use because African Americans isn't correct either. Do you claim to be a Irish American or a French American or just an American? The census even asked both African American or Black.

So for me it isn't the words but the lack of ability to understand that predominantly white folks are voting in the south for Mitt.

[BostonPirate]

Do you like being one of "the gays" ?

I think it's inappropriate. Guess its a personal call.

[JayHawk]

I do enjoy being one of them gays. I also don't get upset when a ethnic form says white. More and more black folks dont give two shits either.

Despite the increasing use of the term African-American, most black Americans still prefer to be called black, according to a survey.

Actually looking further into the article it would seem more and more younger black men prefer African American BUT they only comprised 22% with that opinion in the survey.

[Jack Springer]

I'm sorry . . was I supposed to say black folk . . . is that the proper liberal term now? I heard Obama use it often. I personally don't like a name that included "folk" -- sounds demeaning to me.

You didn't comment on the racist comments that Stacey Dash received.

blacks

You don't even realize how that appears when people read it. Sadly, racists honestly don't understand that their behavior is unnaceptable, and rarely know how to censor it. When other "whites" hear that kind of crap, it is embarrassing. I am honestly embarrassed for you and for all other "whites" your behavior and words are unsettling. When the GOP finds it's values, and it's patriotism, give me a call. As it stands right now, the "BLACK" in the oval office has done more for the american people than the do nothing congress being held hostage by the tea party ever has.

As a member of the party of Abe Lincoln you ought to be ashamed of the way you speak here. At least have the decency to go join a white supremacist party and stop fucking up the GOP so we can actually have a two party system again.

[Benvolio]

At one time they preferred colored as in National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Then They preferred Negro. Then they decided they wanted Black. Then some decided they wanted African American. But not all Africans are black, and Black has the advantage of being one word. The real point is that Whites have tried to be respectful, and use the term preferred by them. Black is not intended to be disrespectful, therefore it is not.

[BostonPirate]

[maxpowr9]

I do enjoy being one of them gays. I also don't get upset when a ethnic form says white. More and more black folks dont give two shits either.



Actually looking further into the article it would seem more and more younger black men prefer African American BUT they only comprised 22% with that opinion in the survey.

I can come up with one easy example of why African-American should fall out of style just like Asian-American. Charlize Theron by definition is an African-American. Is she BLACK?!? Hell, no. There are whites that come from Africa too. You know Iraqis in the US could be classified as Asian-Americans too?

[BostonPirate]

a man MAY be considered "black". But to refer to the entire community as BLACKS reveals thinking that considers them "other" and outside of the norm.

I don't like it.

At least Benny doesn't do the Gingrich dog whistles, there is THAT.

[JayHawk]

LOL you just like picking on our less than logical theorist.

So are all the news agencies off their mark when they refer to the black vote, or the white vote? Now if the said red, brown or yellow vote then they might be called on it.

[Kulindahr]

Go to Stormfront and ask what party everyone belongs to.

[BostonPirate]

LOL you just like picking on our less than logical theorist.

So are all the news agencies off their mark when they refer to the black vote, or the white vote? Now if the said red, brown or yellow vote then they might be called on it.

IF they said " the blacks vote" then yes it's not kosher in the wild land of New England where the USA was invented.

THE black vote refers to the votes that THE black community casts. Less than logical theorists... THAT is diplomacy in action. Great thread.

[JayHawk]

I will concede adding the s does make it seem much more diminutive.

So here is the big question and gets back to the original topic.

When Texas turns blue HOW is it even remotely possible for a republican in national office. Right now if Texas was blue the race would be over.

[BostonPirate]

I will concede adding the s does make it seem much more diminutive.

So here is the big question and gets back to the original topic.

When Texas turns blue HOW is it even remotely possible for a republican in national office. Right now if Texas was blue the race would be over.

Anne Richards was Gov when Bush the elder was in office. I think Texas will be purple, so to speak, but not really blue. Too many small gerymandered House seats to ever get there.

I think that Texas may be the Ohio of the future... twenty years for the Latino community to really grow and gain political weight in that state.

But I am no expert on Southern states, especially Texas. I come here to ask about it when I have questions.

[Kulindahr]

When Texas turns blue HOW is it even remotely possible for a republican in national office. Right now if Texas was blue the race would be over.

Or even if Texas went proportional.

[Centexfarmer]

Anne Richards was Gov when Bush the elder was in office. I think Texas will be purple, so to speak, but not really blue. Too many small gerymandered House seats to ever get there.

I think that Texas may be the Ohio of the future... twenty years for the Latino community to really grow and gain political weight in that state.

But I am no expert on Southern states, especially Texas. I come here to ask about it when I have questions.

The Urban Centers of Texas ARE going Blue; Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio. It's the rural areas that's remaining solid in the Red, and most of that is due largely to Republican Gerrymandering where they're able to mix suburban areas with rural areas.