Survivor 25: Philippines

[Sgt Pepper]

What I wanna know is, when Skupin did that awesome move in the challenge where he threw his idol high in the air, giving him time to knock the other one off, why didn't the rest of them immediately copy that move?

And even though I'm enjoying this season, they've shown us nothing about Kalabow other than Penner and Kent, and now they expect us to care that sickness took out a girl we know nothing about, thereby screwing over another girl we knew nothing about (though not in this episode just yet, because instead of her they eliminated yet another girl we know nothing about)?

As for the other invisibles, the only reason we know Artis is because he does well in the challenges, and Carter might as well be another girl we know nothing about.

[Wcw10891]

i agree with you, it sucks that matsing couldnt get it together and show us some more time at the other camps. this is why the reward and immunity was always combined cause they at least tried to show a bit from all three tribes.

i feel bad for dana, she was repping for the gay community, and was one of the people i coudl see getting to at least mid jury, thus showing all gays ppl arent like colton.

and OMG the Dawson creepy stare and kiss on Probst was AMAZING, shes so into him. lmao

[CedricT]

Im not here for Jeff gets medical injury next week
Im gonna miss my daddy fine Jeff if it's true

I wish it had been Jeff.

BTW, your daddy papi whatever you call him donated 15 000$ for prop 8, against gay-marriage. He's an ass.

[slipintothefog]

Dawson was definitely underedited but every time they showed her, she seemed fun. Unlike, say, Carter, who the editors are intentionally hiding because he can't even string a sentence together, as shown by his amazingly flat, incoherent confessionals in last week's episode.

Also:

LOL this bitch. "Cookies!" is already a Survivor modern classic. <3

[Ekim23]

This episode was not very interesting.

2 girls we know nothing about are out the game... so what ??

Anyway hope next episode will be stronger

[Sgt Pepper]

Also:

LOL this bitch. "Cookies!" is already a Survivor modern classic. <3

This is especially awesome at a time when Big Bird is getting so much political coverage.

[That70sJoe]

Up to last week's episode, do you guys think the winner/finalists will consist of Denise, Malcolm, Ben, Abi, Penner and Kent?

[Sgt Pepper]

Denise is getting a winner's edit by my reading. Malcolm seems to be getting the Fan Favorite edit i.e. he won't make it to the finals but he'll be back for future editions. I'd be shocked if Penner made it to the finals. I love the guy, but he just doesn't have what it takes to win this game; that was apparent from Cook Islands and it's apparent even now.

Can't stand Abi and Kent and...who the hell is Ben?

[Sgt Pepper]

Also, Pete is hot but the whiff of douche is strong with that one.

[That70sJoe]

Denise is getting a winner's edit by my reading.

Can't stand Abi and Kent and...who the hell is Ben?

My bad. Ben = Pete. Yep, the winner's edit takes the fun out of watching (for me). It would be awesome if one season they led us to believe via the edit that a player would win only to have them blindsided. You'd think the Survivors would learn after 25 seasons but they don't. Sigh.

[Wcw10891]

im thinking that they are going to merge at 10 and have a 7 person jury with a final 3.

the previews next week make it look like they merge but then it would be a 9 person jury and final 2. which they wont do.

[Sgt Pepper]

I kept hoping Abi's tribe would lose immunity and that Malcolm/Skupin/Lisa/RC would team up to blindside her and take over their tribe (sorry slipintothefog, I guess she's like BB's Rachel for me and you). Cannot STAND her. And I love how Probst keeps using his challenge righteous indignation to blow up her spot ("Abi, how many challenges have you sat out now?").

I hope when the merge comes or they lose immunity, that crazy bitch is the first to go.

[slipintothefog]

Rachel and Abi aren't on the same level to me at all. I'm team RC all the way in the feud between the two; I appreciate the drama that Abi is causing but she doesn't have the fun factor that Rachel does. (I guess she's a "love to hate"... but I hate that expression.) Lisa and Denise are actually my favorites so far but I'm always biased toward the older woman demographic on Survivor.

That being said I hate Jeff calling Abi out in every challenge because A) he's a sexist prick and B) until tonight's episode, the rules for sitting out people in challenges this season were geared toward sitting out women every time because the tribes didn't need equal numbers of each gender AND they were allowed to sit out people in back to back challenges.

[Sgt Pepper]

Rachel and Abi aren't on the same level to me at all. I'm team RC all the way in the feud between the two;

Oh thank goodness! Then we're completely on the same page (I never know what to do when we're not ). I know she probably won't last much longer but I just want RC to last longer than crazy ass Abi and fucking give that bitch the finger when her torch gets snuffed. I keep hoping RC/Skupin/Malcolm/Lisa will team up and then go with Penner/Denise at the merge but I just can't imagine getting so lucky to have ALL my favorite players this season in one alliance (and yet this is the first time it seems to close to possibly happening).

[slipintothefog]

The edit seems to be pointing to that, honestly. Mike is already connected to RC and Lisa, and Lisa according to the previews is going to be linked to Malcolm, who is partners with Denise... so... yes!

The merge being at 11 is really fucking weird, too. In Heroes vs. Villains they merged at ten but the jury started at 12 like they've been doing since Samoa. But Katie isn't on the jury, and the spoilers already have indicated a final three, so... at least there's no potential for a 3-3-3 tie at final tribal, I guess.

[Ohiospeedo]

The women are being killed off. You think that they realize this and band together. Oh well...let's hope that it is Abi next week!

[Sgt Pepper]

The merge being at 11 is really fucking weird, too. In Heroes vs. Villains they merged at ten but the jury started at 12 like they've been doing since Samoa. But Katie isn't on the jury, and the spoilers already have indicated a final three, so... at least there's no potential for a 3-3-3 tie at final tribal, I guess.

I wish this was a sign that they're returning to the traditional (and BETTER) F2 format, only with 9 jury members instead of 7 (still an odd number so it would work) but we all know how Prosbt hates those F2's which (he thinks) don't favor his manly men so it's probably just going to be an 8 person jury for no reason.

[slipintothefog]

The possibility of Malcolm, Lisa and Denise actually having a F3 deal...

[BreakTheIce]

I am absolutely loving Survivor this season!! I loved the whole trade thing they did - rice for reward in so much as both tribes felt like they eventually ended up with the bad end of the deal.

[slipintothefog]

Posted for Sgt Pepper if he's never seen this before:

The Fall of Russell Hantz, Part 2

[That70sJoe]

The edit seems to be pointing to that, honestly. Mike is already connected to RC and Lisa, and Lisa according to the previews is going to be linked to Malcolm, who is partners with Denise... so... yes!

The merge being at 11 is really fucking weird, too. In Heroes vs. Villains they merged at ten but the jury started at 12 like they've been doing since Samoa. But Katie isn't on the jury, and the spoilers already have indicated a final three, so... at least there's no potential for a 3-3-3 tie at final tribal, I guess.

How extensive are the spoiler sites these days? It seemed to me that after missyae was busted, those sites went down in quality and info so I stopped going. I still think that CBS should let missyae be on Survivor.

[slipintothefog]

For this season and next, the person providing spoilers is somebody who was present in the Philippines who is apparently close to a member of production there or something. Right now the spoiled final four and which places they finish in are known, but a lot of people are curious about the spoiler's accuracy because the rumored winner has a very unexpected edit so far.

[Sgt Pepper]

Posted for Sgt Pepper if he's never seen this before:

The Fall of Russell Hantz, Part 2

LOVE of course!

slipintothefog, can you post (with spoiler tags or whatever) what the rumored F3 is and the rumored vote totals? I'm curious if it's the same spoiler I just read.

[slipintothefog]

Spoiler: (Highlight this box to see the hidden message.)

4th Place: Malcolm 3rd/2nd Place: Lisa/Denise (I don't remember which one was which) 1st Place: Skupin I don't believe any vote totals have been revealed. Just the placements. Obviously, Lisa and Denise have MUCH better edits than Mike does so far, which has caused a lot of people who analyze the edits to think that the spoiler is wrong and that Mike isn't winning. It's understandable because after the premiere, Mike has gotten zero confessionals and only exists on the show to be trashed by Pete/Artis/Abi. Factor in that he's a returning male player who was removed in a medevac in one of the most infamous moments from the franchise's biggest season ever... and his edit makes no sense at all for a winner, especially when you consider how Redemption Island was just a four month blow job of Boston Rob. Between Lisa and Denise it's hard to say who has the better edit - Denise HAD to be shown a lot in the beginning because Matsing was decimated, and now her edit has tapered off a bit since she's joined Kalabaw. Lisa has been shown a lot for somebody whose tribe hasn't gone to Tribal Council, and especially for somebody who really isn't at the center of the drama on her tribe except for her one episode isolation, but it can also be argued that Lisa is getting consistent and positive screentime because of her celebrity status. So edgically, Lisa vs. Denise is still kind of a wash and Mike winning would be the biggest slap in the face from the editors ever. Winners can be underedited (i.e., Natalie White) OR negative (i.e., Todd), but not really both because telling the winner's story in that way makes no sense, and especially not in this age of editing where every winner has to be as inoffensive as possible to please the viewers.

[Sgt Pepper]

Yeah that's the spoiler I read too and my reaction to it was the same as yours. Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with any of those three winning, but I have a hard time believing it's the one they're saying based on current editing.

The winner spoilers aren't always reliable since the vote reveal is live. I remember on Survivor Cook Islands the F3 twist was spoiled correctly, and the finalists were spoiled correctly, but the same spoiler claimed Ozzy had won, which was of course incorrect. My guess is that it's harder to spoil the winner with a close vote (since the spoiler is essentially a guess of how each juror voted) so maybe the vote will be close again this time?

[slipintothefog]

The spoilers of the people in the final three have generally been correct over the years. It's the spoilers of the vote counts that tend to be wrong. Todd/Courtney/Amanda was the spoiled final three but it was said that Amanda was the winner of Survivor China which had people flipping out when Todd won, and people in the live audience actually gasped at the Nicaragua reunion when Chase got third and fourth votes because the spoilers had indicated Fabio won 7-2.

[slipintothefog]

P.S. If the spoiled winner is accurate I find what the editors are doing to be fascinating. Generally they stick to three types of winner edits - the "This person is awesome and basically steamrolls over everyone" AKA the winner edit for men (Richard, Brian, Tom, Yul, Earl, Todd, JT, Rob and finally Kim); the "How runner-up ___ lost to this piece of irrelevant flotsam" AKA the traditional winner edit for women (Tina, Amber, Danni, Natalie, HvV Sandra, Sophie... who all beat men except Danni ); or my favorite in terms of a season's entertainment, "This game is a total clusterfuck strategically and produced this winner you didn't expect" AKA the WTF winner edit (Ethan, Vecepia, Jenna, PI Sandra, Aras, Bob, Jud).

Philippines' spoiled winner would only really fit option #3, which might be why I love this season so much.

[Sgt Pepper]

Todd/Courtney/Amanda was the spoiled final three but it was said that Amanda was the winner of Survivor China which had people flipping out when Todd won

Exactly. Oh and btw that example right there is why they never should've switched to F3. Think about it. If it was F2, we have to assume Amanda or Courtney would've won the final challenge (Todd SUCKED in challenges, Amanda was dominating the end-game challenges, and even fucking Courtney won an endurance challenge that season) and with Todd being perceived as the mastermind (ugh), they would've eliminated him, and the winner would've been...COURTNEY! It totally would've been one of those Natalie/Samoa surprise wins that you and I would've celebrated via delighted cackling GIFs.

Imagine how awesome that would be if both Sandra and Courtney were winners today.

[slipintothefog]

Since I posted the Funny 115's Fall of Hantz entry, here's his dedication to the awesomeness of Courtney Yates. My personal favorite is #12 and I'm going to hell for it.

[Sgt Pepper]

Then I too am going to hell since I don't care about 1) Todd 2) Todd's sister or 3) unborn fetuses.

[Sgt Pepper]

An episode that should've been exciting ended up rather predictably. I knew RC wasn't going to make the finals or anything, but I LOATHE that Abi outlasted her. I can't wait until that crazy fucking dumb bitch gets her comeuppance. If only so I can enjoy those Ponderosa videos where RC calls her a crazy fucking dumb bitch.

Pete and his smug face needs to go too.

[slipintothefog]

I thought this episode was great, but more importantly, I have this image to share:



Sandra Diaz-Twine as Wonder Woman AKA a normal day in the life of Sandra Diaz-Twine. <3

[Sgt Pepper]

^^ Now that's what we call a character-delineating costume.

Also, this is how RC must have felt trapped on a tribe with Abi & Pete.

[That70sJoe]

Thanks for the spoilers. No big surprise based on the edits. Really disappointing that players don't think of taking clearly negative, villainous types like Abi and Pete to the final. I'm not a big fan of having the "good" prevail which is why, for example, I was pissed at Chelsea and Sabrina last season.

[That70sJoe]

Spoiler: (Highlight this box to see the hidden message.)

If the jury is Abi, Pete, Artis, Penner, Jeff, Carter, Malcolm-- who are they voting for? My guesstimates: Denise: Malcom, Abi, Pete, Artis Lisa: Jeff, Carter Skupin: Penner YOURS?

[slipintothefog]

Spoiler: (Highlight this box to see the hidden message.)

I would guess that Penner votes for Lisa in the end because the editors had little reason to show their bonding session over their washed-up acting careers (p.s. <3) considering Lisa ended up voting for him anyway (p.s. <3333).

Lisa was such a star in last night's episode. She was so cute when squealed over the wine, lol. Her and Penner talking was surreal because they were featured on two of my favorite sitcoms (Lisa on Facts of Life, obviously, and Penner on The Nanny).

[Sgt Pepper]

Her and Penner talking was surreal because they were featured on two of my favorite sitcoms (Lisa on Facts of Life, obviously, and Penner on The Nanny).

I always forget that Penner had a career in showbiz too. Perhaps because he rarely boasts about his accomplishments like some of these other fools. But did you know Penner once created a short film that was nominated for an Academy Award? A MOTHER-FUCKING ACADEMY AWARD! That's right. Penner may be the only contestant on Survivor to ever have the title of Oscar-nominee attached to his name.*

Which is why it was so funny on Cook Islands when barely literate monkey-man Adam kept saying
Jonathan sucked at life, when Adam's biggest claim to fame was (no joke) dancing in the background on MTV's The Grind.

*which must really bother Jeffrey, because we all know in the Hollywood caste system, Oscar nominee beats thee-time Emmy winner.

[RRUGER]

skupin wins
thats my prediction

[Ohiospeedo]

I really hope that someone lays into Abi on the reunion show so that they can prove how wrong she was, and what an idiot. Loving Malcolm, but they need a reward challenge that provides a shower. His hair is getting a little funky looking.

[slipintothefog]

*which must really bother Jeffrey, because we all know in the Hollywood caste system, Oscar nominee beats thee-time Emmy winner.

[BetinaNungging]

I really hope that someone lays into Abi on the reunion show so that they can prove how wrong she was, and what an idiot. Loving Malcolm, but they need a reward challenge that provides a shower. His hair is getting a little funky looking.

Im just hopinf he cuts his hair

sexier!

[slipintothefog]

Bump for the impending ~LISOWNAGE~ according to the CBS commercials. Team up with the two vets, Malcolm and Denise to slay the unholy group of Abi/Pete/Jeff Kent/Carter please!

[Sgt Pepper]

Bump for the impending ~LISOWNAGE~ according to the CBS commercials. Team up with the two vets, Malcolm and Denise to slay the unholy group of Abi/Pete/Jeff Kent/Carter please!

With Obama already winning in a big way yesterday, that might be too much awesomeness for one week.

[slipintothefog]

I don't know what that Lisa-inspired clusterfuck just now was, but I liked the outcome!

[Sgt Pepper]

Weird. That's the second or third time this season the episode has been genuinely suspenseful, and still the end result left me...unsatisfied. I mean I could care less about Jeff, but I kinda wanted Penner's suggestion at TC to push through and I would've preferred Pete going first because I can't STAND Pete and Abi.

Why can't the people I like just work together already??

EDIT: OK Jeff's sour grapes goodbye and "The million dollars is only six hundred thousand by the time Obama takes is" makes me GLAD he's gone. I'm just sorry RC has to be stuck with him at Ponderosa.

[slipintothefog]

Oh good. Kent's tears in his final words made that blindside infinitely MORE satisfying.

[Sgt Pepper]

Also, the fact that the promos make it seem like Lisa is going to flip to Penner's side next week is a sure indicator that Penner is toast.

- - - Updated - - -

Oh good. Kent's tears in his final words made that blindside infinitely MORE satisfying.

See my edit. LOL.

[slipintothefog]

Maybe if he likes his money so much, he shouldn't have donated $15,000 to support Prop 8 in California (even though he lives in Texas).

[Sgt Pepper]

Slip, any idea why Penner voted for Abi? WTF?? He was the one who suggested the six of them vote together at TC! Sure Skupin didn't, but had Penner voted for Pete, it would've at least forced a tie and another vote.

[slipintothefog]

Yeah, I'm at loss there. I wish CBS still released the voting confessionals, but they stopped doing that ever since Jane and Sash's rumored mortgage-gate in Nicaragua.

ETA: Here's what Skupin said about Penner's vote on Twitter: "Penner knew we had enough votes & wanted to make Abi feel the sting of a vote. More fun for him than strategy."