The Official MADONNA Discussion Thread!

[gaddou]

i don't really talk too much about how a person will die, but as healthy as she is i think she is going to live for a long time up until her 100s possibly. but she'll be martyr is she dies in the future. think of her as the pop goddess of the world before britney, janet, christina, and all of her other successors. it would only influence more up and coming artists to embrace pop music for many generations. if it wasn't for madonna, pop music wouldn't be as successful as it was in the past and in the present. her music will be cherished throughout our generation, our children's generation, our great-grandchildren's generation and so forth.

i think you re going a little bit stong. I do not think she is a mozart or a beethoven.

[RicanDAB]

When Madonna receives a Lifetime Achievement Award, then we will know that we are old! Isn't she due to be inducted soon into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame?

[DC00777]

I'm sure Madonna wont die from old age. That type of death is boring and Madonna isnt boring. Knowing her, she probably has some elaborate death all planned out.

[Marvels]

Satan will come out of Hell and drag her away. Talking animals will then hold a soiree over her molten grave, and humanity will stare blankly at the randomness of it all.

[xyboyms]

She'll probably spend the remainder of her life in jolly ol' England so whenever she dies they'll probably do a huge tribute concert. Britney & Christina will end their by then 30 year fued by dueting on Like A Virgin once again and Britney will pass the torch to (insert name of up and coming pop startlet). She'll pass the torch by kissing her on the mouth-Madge style of course.

Question for all the Brits here:
Is it possible for someone to get knighted by the Queen even if they're not born in England???????

[james1200]

i think her newly adpoted boy is going to kill her when he becomes a teenager and figures out she only wanted him for cheap labor around her mansion.

[sean penn]

MADONNA is God. She will never die.

[sean penn]

she sucks, but i think she will bank even in death like elvis, but i was wacthing something bout her on like E or something, she bought a tomb like in the middle east. so people can vist her when she dies

aha and you are really "bisexual"

[DryIce]

I don't know when or how Madonna is going to die, but I suspect she will be around for a long, long time. Given what great shape she is in coupled with her wealth and clout to have access to the best medical care in the world, she could easily live into the triple digits, barring any freak accidents such as that which claimed Princess Diana's life.

Centuries from now, she will likely be regarded with mythical proportions along the lines of Helen of Troy and Cleopatra.

[Paws]

Many gays will rejoice and reclaim manliness and metal-music.

i think her newly adpoted boy is going to kill her when he becomes a teenager and figures out she only wanted him for cheap labor around her mansion.

[stefane]

Madonna can't die, she's a Goddess.The Goddess of the PERFECTION!!!

[JesseNYC]

Who cares. We should be worried about her, Cher is closer to death than her. What is she now? Like 80?

[Soilwork]

She'll be in a car accident, and lay there in a ditch, unable to stop the stereo from playing "Bedtime Stories" over and over again, and she'll die of boredom.

[Marvels]

Cher will never die.

It's God's way of punishing humanity for greenlighting anything that M. Night Shyamalan wants done.

[theFallenGod]

In 135 more years ...after the world has been unified under her music she will stand on a platform and thank everyone... give them her love... and vanish in a bright light ...so bright everyone will see it...all will be stunned... and we will finally have peace on earth....why because Madonna is a goddess brought to earth to unite us...all of us...

[sunoftheskye]

She'll die soon. Guy will realize she only married him so she could invoke his Britishness and he'll promptly shoot her in the face.

[psylockespears]

Most morbid Thread ever lol.

shell die old happy surronded by Lourdes,rocco,david lots of little black babies she collected from around the world

[james1200]

i'm surprised nobody thinks she'll die experimenting sexually...like by trying to break the world gang-bang record or sumtin.

[Shag-a-delic]

Mariah carrie will kill her beause marilyn manroe told her to do it thoug the piano

[Smitho]

She is going to far, first just taking the baby and now this. She needs a reality check, as she just seems to be living in the clouds at the moment. I used to like her but this whole adoption thing has turned me very much against her, she has no idea of the Malawian people or their culture and just does as she wants. Bitch.

[Soilwork]

I am SO sick of hearing about that tired twat.

Can we please put her and Tom Cruise on a rocketship into the sun?

[CaptainJohn]

She's rich. And a media darling. Doesn't that give her the right to do whatever the hell she wants to do?

[Ehalahepl]

Don't see what the big deal is really. Let her circumsize the kid, its not like it matters in the long run.

Maybe she should just give him back and let him live in poverty, as a potatoe farmer, and die of aids at 20. Harsh words, but seriously, if anything those people should appreciate the money and attention they are recieving off this alone.

dont hate.!

[Ehalahepl]

All I am saying is this, from the perspective of being a parent. Would you rather:

1. Have your child grow up with the best education, a carefree life, in a safe environment all at the cost of snipping some skin off his penis or:

2. Have him raise up a new crop of potatoes with you, fight all the perils of Africa, and be largely just another statistic.

It is as if his REAL parents are actually the ones being irresponsible to me.

She CANT do whatever she wants, but the fact that people would bash her for imposing her religion on a young child is rediculous, thats is pretty much how its always been.

[nwdavis]

I am SO sick of hearing about that tired twat.

Can we please put her and Tom Cruise on a rocketship into the sun?

Oh come now, there's room for more than just those two. I'd like to add Brad and Jennifer. Even if they are divorced. And lets not forget Britney and Kfed.

[Paws]

Don't see what the big deal is really. Let her circumsize the kid, its not like it matters in the long run.

My foreskin is sacred. Rub it and you see a genie appear.

[belamy]

Is this really about circumcision or about Madonna?

[Green_Man_007]

She is going to far, first just taking the baby and now this. She needs a reality check, as she just seems to be living in the clouds at the moment. I used to like her but this whole adoption thing has turned me very much against her, she has no idea of the Malawian people or their culture and just does as she wants. Bitch.

David Ritchie isn't going to be raised Malawian, but British. After his biological mother died, his biological father -- who was obviously widowed -- gladly sent him away for the boy to escape poverty and all the pains that follow it.

At age 18, David will be able to vote as British, serve in the British Royal military, travel with a UK passport, and do all the things that a normal British citizen can.

That's what adoption means --- beoming part of another family, and their culture by extension.

My cousin and her husband adopted an orphan girl from Russia, but no-one expects them to force her into mink boots and quiz her on the Romanov dynasty while she slams vodka.

[Green_Man_007]

Oh please the woman thinks she can do anything she wants because of who she is. When she first got the kid she said she wasn't going to change him or anything, seems she has a short memory.

If she wanted to help those people she should have given some of her vast fortune to help more people rather than take a kid from his home to use as some sort of trophy!!! I would have had more respect for her doing that rather than put this kid through the 'Madonna Circus' which he finds himself in.

You know nothing about how she raises kids.

[SouthBeach30]

Let me see if I got this right:

Madonna is evil because:

She wants to have her adopted child circumsised
She adopted a child from Malawi

Have any of you actually been to Africa? I'm not talking about the southern tip, the islands off Africa or the pyramids. I mean places like Malawi, which have problems with widespread starvation, disease, HIV and high infant mortality. I very much doubt you have. Maybe Madonna could have just thrown some money at Malawi, smiled pretty for the cameras, got back on her jet and left. Instead, she adopted a child and thus brought far more attention to this crisis that had ever been paid to it before. She is also enriching the life of one person, who will hopefully, serve as an example of what the children in Malawi can become if the international community got off it's collective ass and did something concrete for the people other than sending their government money.

As for the removal of the child's foreskin: get over it! I know many of you have strong feelings about this, but calling it "barbaric mutilation" is a bit much in my opinion. She is doing this for her own reasons, be they hygenic or religious. I don't think circumcision is a good thing, but as far a I can tell, nobody has asked me for my opinion on what Madonna should do with her child.

I think "barbaric mutilation" might be what happened to the men and women in Congo who had their arms, legs, feet, ears and eyelids cut off, tounges cut out, fingers snapped off, etc. during the Congo Wars. Or maybe "barbaric mutiliation" describes the damage the US inflicted on people we partially burned alive with Napalm.

[Green_Man_007]

She's rich. And a media darling. Doesn't that give her the right to do whatever the hell she wants to do?

Actually, it does

Where have you been?

We let Paris Hilton drive on public roads, Stephen "BioDome" Baldwin be a missionary, Courtney Love reproduce, and Mel Gibson make an Aramaic snuff film.

Adopting a foreign baby is done all the time by average people.

[belamy]

This thread reminds me so much of the one about the recent havoc wreaked on that dancing penguin...

[xcasex]

OH my God.
I am SOOOOOO Fucking tired of hearing about Mandonna.
She wants to circumcise HER kid.
What exactly is so barbaric about that?
I can see if she wanted to get "Madonna's Kid" branded on his forehead or something. But circumcision? Let's be real. It's 2006. He isn't the first.

[Green_Man_007]

Is this really about circumcision or about Madonna?

Great question

I'm not a huge fan of Madonna as a performer, but I admire her as a business woman.

I also have great respect for her as a mother.

As much as she likes to stire the media into frenzy, you'll never see her let them exploit her children, and you'd only see them wearing outrageous outfits on Hallowe'en, if they so choose to wear them and be photographed.

[Nonimus]

Let me see if I got this right:

Madonna is evil because:

She wants to have her adopted child circumsised
She adopted a child from Malawi

Have any of you actually been to Africa? I'm not talking about the southern tip, the islands off Africa or the pyramids. I mean places like Malawi, which have problems with widespread starvation, disease, HIV and high infant mortality. I very much doubt you have. Maybe Madonna could have just thrown some money at Malawi, smiled pretty for the cameras, got back on her jet and left. Instead, she adopted a child and thus brought far more attention to this crisis that had ever been paid to it before. She is also enriching the life of one person, who will hopefully, serve as an example of what the children in Malawi can become if the international community got off it's collective ass and did something concrete for the people other than sending their government money.

As for the removal of the child's foreskin: get over it! I know many of you have strong feelings about this, but calling it "barbaric mutilation" is a bit much in my opinion. She is doing this for her own reasons, be they hygenic or religious. I don't think circumcision is a good thing, but as far a I can tell, nobody has asked me for my opinion on what Madonna should do with her child.

I think "barbaric mutilation" might be what happened to the men and women in Congo who had their arms, legs, feet, ears and eyelids cut off, tounges cut out, fingers snapped off, etc. during the Congo Wars. Or maybe "barbaric mutiliation" describes the damage the US inflicted on people we partially burned alive with Napalm.

A good point well made. I have a good freind from Rawanda, and he told me about part of his puberty initiation rite which occurred when he was 12 years old:

He and a group of other 12 year old boys who were also being 'initiated' were marched down to the riverside stark naked. It was at the crack of dawn, and the riverside was chosen because it was cold and would make their penis shrivell.

Then the leader of the community stood them over a tree stump, yanked their foreskin forward and 'slash' down came the chopper - the boy's were now 'men'.

Circumcision is a rite belonging to made cultures world-wide ancient and modern, not just the Jews or indeed the "Kabbalah cult".

So back to Belamy's question: Is this about Madonna or about Circumcision?

[Soilwork]

I will say this...

ciscumcision is a barbaric practice done by parents who think of their children as property and not people.

I have never forgiven my parents for doing it to me, and I never will.

If you're that hell bent on ciscumcision, you should get it done as an adult and not take that decision away from a baby who has no say in the matter.



That being said.. Madonna isn't even fucking Jewish.. she's some Kabala poseur who's publicity stunts have included pretending to be a lesbian, walking around naked in public, wearing underwear in public, making "controvescial videos" for sub-par songs in an effort to have another hit, dating Michael Jackson, pretending she can act, shaing off her eye brows, making a coffee table book that featured close-up photos of her vagina, having her first daughter and parading around the latino man she chose as the donor at a press conference, being a bitch to David Letterman and Arsenio Hall on their shows and countless other stupid things which are just too ridiculous to mention.

She's a genius, that's for sure... she's made being famous possible for LOTS of people who can't sing, can't act, can't dance and can't write songs.

She'll be Catholic again in a year or two, and she'll still have circumcized her son... which let's face it.. is just YET ANOTHER fucking publicity stunt.

[Nonimus]

Belamy, Nonimus.

It's about both.
Madonna the creature who would inflict her religious doctrine upon a child, her using the child as an accessory, and her complete and utter reversion to the dark ages in circumcising the boy.

EDIT: Perfectly said, Soilwork.

Fair enough, that's your opinion, although the use of the 'Dark Ages' is questionable to say the least, I take it you're using it as a metaphor. I'm sure there's more to life than having a piece of skin on the end of your penis. Mine was removed as an infant and I have no bitterness or resentment - It has never been an issue or a problem.

[luminum]

This is more of a circumcision thread, obviously.

I feel that circumcision is wrong. The reasons for doing it are hardly worth the rediculousness of the proceedure and the high rates of messing the operation up. the rate of a penis being messed up is 2 in 100. That's two boys with penises damaged or even worse,d estroyed, by botched circumcisions.

Statistically, any 'protection' and 'hygiene' offered by circumcision is pathetically minimal. Even studies regarding increased protection from STD's are conflicted, one group achieving great results, another reaching no difference in protection.

Is it worth that?

Up until recently (and we're talking really recently) circumcisions were performed without any form of anesthetic because doctors had some kind of perverse notion that babies couldn't feel pain, or even if they could, they wouldn't remember it, so babies were held down and skinned.

As for brises (sp?), I doubt dropping some wine in a kid's mouth is really going to make things that much better.

And besides medically, circumcision is a decision that only the person with the foreskin should make. Doing anything else, out of pure aesthetic or fluidity of religion or cultural tradition is a violation of personal body. Madonna, of all people, should understand how religious and cultural beliefs can change.

And this doesn't just apply to her, but all people who understand personal choice in all things moral, religious, and based in the body.

So yes, I think it's just as 'barbaric' and outdated a mutilation when made without consent when the person is unable to consent as female circumcision. Just because it's a cultural or religious tradition doesn't make it right.

[J-23]

So first she adopts a son (for publicity purposes). And now she's mutilating him (for publicity purposes) in the name of a religion with which she associates herself (for publicity purposes). Yay for attention whores!

[RenaissanceMan]

ciscumcision is a barbaric practice done by parents who think of their children as property and not people.

On the other hand, your parents do get to decide a lot in your early years about your future...and there are I guess some hygienic reasons for circumcision. Children may not be property, but parents quite well deserve some influence over their children. My parents didn't do it because it was also unheard of in their culture, though I ended up needing it for medical reasons. Why this is a religious thing, I'm not sure. My circumcision was not my choice, but it was far from barbaric. Now, if they purposely tried to prolong my pain...

[Soilwork]

On the other hand, your parents do get to decide a lot in your early years about your future...and there are I guess some hygienic reasons for circumcision.

I asked my parents why they did it, and they didn't know.

"We didn't really give it any thought.. they just said 'we'll circumcize them tomorrow' at the hospital and we just had it done..."

they didn't do it for any reason other than... they just let it happen.

(and that hygenic reason is a lie... there's no truth to it at all. You may as well cut off my ears because you're too lazy to teach me to clean behind them)

[gabriel1]

My foreskin is sacred. Rub it and you see a genie appear.

The only thing is when the genie "SPITS in my eye" OUCHHH!

[sb]

what will be the next controversy?...... Madonna takes adopted baby to doctor to get needles filled with vaccines against diseases jabbed in its body

If I had a child I wouldn't have it circumcized but a baby getting circumcized is hardly scandal worthy.

[J-23]

what will be the next controversy?...... Madonna takes adopted baby to doctor to get needles filled with vaccines against diseases jabbed in its body

If I had a child I wouldn't have it circumcized but a baby getting circumcized is hardly scandal worthy.

Well, protecting your child against potentially fatal diseases is a bit different than mutilating its genitalia for absolutely no reason.

And I think people find it scandal-worthy because she's doing it in the name of a religion that she only "practices" in order to attract attention to herself. Plus the fact that she said her son is too young to be associated with any belief system.

[Nonimus]

Well, protecting your child against potentially fatal diseases is a bit different than mutilating its genitalia for absolutely no reason.

And I think people find it scandal-worthy because she's doing it in the name of a religion that she only "practices" in order to attract attention to herself. Plus the fact that she said her son is too young to be associated with any belief system.

I wasn't aware that Madonna had made such a statement, and if such is true then that makes her stance hypocritcal. From the same source as jlukes19 refers:

"Malawi is a country ravaged by poverty, hunger, and disease. Here, more than half the population lives on less than 50 cents a day and with one of the highest rates of HIV infection in the world life, expectancy is 41 years."

To take a child from that kind of background and introduce it to a land where opportunity flourishes is good thing. I'm no Madonna fan at all, in fact - I've never bought ONE of her singles, but she has to be applauded for making a difference in one person's life.

On the topic of circumsicion: Statements such as 'barbaric' and 'dark ages' are pathetic and emotive if there's nothing more to your life than a piece of skin on the end of your dick - i pity you. There are people out there who treat their kids like shit, ignore them, abuse them put them down at every chance and even reject them for trivial matters such as not doing well in school to being gay. All parents fuck up at some point or another, this kid got a lucky break - let's just hope he realizes what benefits have been placed before him.

[Nonimus]

Several points Paul:

1) There's no point having an incredible dick is the guy is a cunt! - Good point for both sides

2) whenever these threads come up we get the same arguments from both sides which proves it!! - Which is why i cringed once i had pressed the 'enter' button

3) And I think this thread is more about people thinking Madonna is a bitch then the issue of circumcision - true people will make judgements according to their own personal prejudice rather than the facts each time - like gay adoption

4)And yeah Nomi there are people who treat their kids like shit but circumcision is an emotive issue for some people - It's NONI not Nomi!!!

[Nonimus]

You should be!

But since you've obviously been upgraded with Windows XP - I'll forgive you.

[Riverrick]

Is this really about circumcision or about Madonna?

Good question. Seems to be about Madonna.

I would have hope that she would have seen this custom for what it is, though. I don't know why it bothers me that Madonna in particular is choosing this for her child but it sort of does.

[Soilwork]

Eromenos. I resent my parents for letting me be circumsized without my consent.

it's my body... and they didn't even question why part of it was being cut off.

they just let it happen without even a thought.

and it's my right to be pissed.


Oh, and Madonna now claims to be Jewish... much like she claimed to be a lesbian in the early 90s.

next she'll be an alien, I'm guessing.

[Riverrick]

But this idea that grown men are resenting their parents' decision to keep or remove a piece of skin is ridiculous.

Think about this Eromenos. They took a piece of your penis off. They went in and just lopped it off. Your penis of all fucking things! And you know that most sensitive part just under the head? Well they took a bunch of that away as well. Its called the frenulum and we no longer even have one.

And to boot, without a foreskin the head of our penis has dried up and lost its sensitivity. Why would you do that to a kid? Its totally fucked up and insane.

And the reason? For cleanliness. Well then pull all of my fingernails off so I can't get dirt under them either. Yea its an emotional issue when you cut a piece of my body off.