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**GamerBear** · November 28th, 2009, 12:29 PM

I don't find Glee offensive at all, most of them have a message some where it's just YOUR job to find them.

**Corny** · November 28th, 2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by JNewYork

Where is the ONE gay man character on TV who is a strong, MASCULINE, well adjusted dude? There isn't one. Not one.

Keith in Six feet under.

**JNewYork** · November 28th, 2009, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by MawellEvans

is the characters last name- i represent all gay men on the planet?

The implication is there, yes.

Re: Keith of Six Feet Under. Good example. So there is one after all. Who knows, there may be others. But by far the rule, not the exception, is to portray gay men as weak, effeminate, flamboyant caricatures.

And it's offensive, whether it's "satire" or not.

**grantt** · November 28th, 2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by G-Lexington

>>>Cheerleaders don't wear their uniforms all day to class.

They did in my high school.

Lex

Hehe They did in my high school, too.

JNew York, please lighten up a little bit. What you say may be right, but we are dealing with a small group of people here and they just have a "type" of character on display. Like the gay guy. Why not have a gay guy that is not the least bit feminine? Answer, they only come on once a week and have only a few episodes in a season to generate characters. The wheelchair guy is the same thing. As for Shu being for the underdog, even the best of people are still "human" and do stray. It is an hour of fun, lite comedy/drama, and song.

**JNewYork** · November 28th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Good points, Grantt. And great pic under your name. Is that you? Damn. If not, you have good taste.

**kinski** · November 28th, 2009, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by JNewYork

Where is the ONE gay man character on TV who is a strong, MASCULINE, well adjusted dude? There isn't one. Not one.

Andrew and Bob on Desperate Housewives.

**On The Edge** · November 28th, 2009, 02:19 PM

It sarcasm...plus shows the stereotypes out there..& even how some people really are...Glee hidden messages..I love this show...

**Mstrshake** · November 28th, 2009, 04:10 PM

Andrew from Desperate Housewives is pretty masculine looking and comfortable with himself. Even if he is an asshole for at least the first two seasons.

Originally Posted by kinski

Andrew and Bob on Desperate Housewives.

Oh damn. Beat me to it.

**JNewYork** · November 28th, 2009, 04:32 PM

I'm curious as to what "essential truth" the satire is speaking of.

**Sgt Pepper** · November 28th, 2009, 05:20 PM

blacksyringe, you and I are in complete agreement. I don't fault Glee for being "offensive", I fault it for being plot-driven, obvious, badly directed and often unfunny.

JNewYork, I know what you're trying to say, but far more offensive than anything in Glee is the implication in your statements that masculine gay men = good, while effeminate gay men = bad. I'm actually surprised no one else in this thread has pointed that out. Hopefully you didn't mean that the way it sounded.

**JNewYork** · November 28th, 2009, 05:55 PM

I hear ya, Sgt. Yes, I should point out that all points on the gender identification spectrum are valid. Feminine is not bad.

It's just tiresome to see that "weak" and "flaky" are the favorite ways that Hollywood portrays gay men. I hear the argument that in Glee's case it's satire. But most of the other leads are not satirical, except for the Cheerleader coach, and even she is very realistic. So the way they're presenting Kurt, they are presenting him as real not some satirical sketch.

Is Finn a satire? Is Rachel? Is Puck? Is Shue? Is Artie? Is Quinn? Is Emma? Is Mercedes? I find all the aforementioned to be presented as very realistic people. So I can only assume that the character of Kurt is also presented as real, too.

And the way he's presented is offensive. Even the over the top Sue Sylvester is actually very realistic, too.

I should restate that I love Glee. It's actually brought me to tears on a number of shows. It's funny, warm and I feel for the characters and the drama they go through.

Bravo to this great show! And bravo to the actor who portrays Kurt. He's a phenomenal actor. And, yes, there are plenty of queenie guys in drama depts.

But it would be nice to also show the truth, that not all gays are like that.

**Ragoris** · December 4th, 2009, 08:01 PM

Hmm I never noticed this but Glee is based in my home town! (Lima, Ohio) That is very... awkward because I've never even watched the show... I should give it a chance lol.

**Absolut** · December 4th, 2009, 08:14 PM

I still heart this show, even though some people say it isn't what it "used to be."

It's hilarious, and I love the music in it. The writers do a great job of incorporating the meaning of the songs to what happened in the episode.

**StlKj** · December 4th, 2009, 09:03 PM

It's not as mean-spirited as it was in the first episode, which made me laugh numerous times, but it's better than it was for a few episodes where I thought it didn't know who it was. I think they've begun to settle in nicely. It's still better and more unique that half the shit on tv.

**hurriwelli** · December 4th, 2009, 10:32 PM

It's a very inconsistent show. Kurt mentioned that they have anonymity in the Glee club but just a few eps back they were being harassed by the entire school.

Why would anyone care about yearbook pictures being defaced, enough to ban an entire group from having one? Though I tend to put that down to Sue's conniving ways, which used to be cute and funny but are now just loathesome. I was kinda rooting for Quinn to go directly to Figgins to get the Cheerios banned from competition. But when they win Sectionals I guess success will be the best revenge.

One big question... now that Will knows, where does that leave baby Drizzle? And I shudder to think of how Sue's gonna run the club now that Will is out.

**TickTockMan** · December 7th, 2009, 07:00 AM

For the first time in years I finally feel there is something worth watching.

**TickTockMan** · December 7th, 2009, 08:56 AM

http://www.bilerico.com/2009/11/glee...gets_naked.php

A link for the Finn fans. And yes there are pictures, but not full frontal.

**TickTockMan** · December 9th, 2009, 06:03 AM

Some drawings going around the net. GLBT interest.

http://purtmaker01.deviantart.com/

**miaedu** · December 9th, 2009, 05:18 PM

Are the musical releases surpassing those by established musical acts?

**chance1** · December 9th, 2009, 07:44 PM

loved it tonite

really like the teach

**Absolut** · December 9th, 2009, 08:30 PM

I also loved tonight's episode. It kind of proved why I love this show, and will continue to love this show - despite the fact that I'm gay

Really? April? That's how long I have to wait???

**YeahWhatever** · December 9th, 2009, 10:14 PM

^April? Ugh! I thought "Spring" meant March at least! Well, we can look forward to no reruns at least.

Rachel's solo at sectionals gave me the chills. I'm gonna go through Glee withdrawls...

**josher** · December 10th, 2009, 03:24 AM

I had pretty much given up on Glee, but when I heard Lea was singing Don't Rain On My Parade (I've been a Barbra fanatic since the very beginning of her career.), I decided to catch up on the past shows, so I'd know what was happening in the finale.

There's been a lot of improvement. There's been some character development for Quinn, Terri and Sue, and they've begun rounding out some of the "extras."

(I should probably hate that Britany is being portrayed as such a dumb blond, but when she delivered that line about having sex with the other cheerleader, I laughed out loud.)

I must admit I had chills during a lot of this episode. Don't Rain On My Parade and And I Am Telling You were certainly performed on a par with Barbra and the two Jennifers.

The writing is still subpar, but I was impressed with how quickly they wrapped up the two baby deceptions, though that may have been a reaction to the critics.

All in all the show has improved a thousandfold.

Oh, and the scene with the kid in the wheelchair banging his head against the wall...priceless.

**Kanemahu** · December 10th, 2009, 12:37 PM

Mike! "Other Asian" finally has a name...

**chance1** · December 10th, 2009, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by blacksyringe

Yeah. I predict an Emmy for Rachel and Sue. The writing is so/so but their acting is beyond the material. They're the only two actors who have given their characters any form of depth.

sue is some character

everything i see her in she steals

way over the top but ...........

as for rachel she annoys me to death

i love the teach and the asian boy the best

thought the storyline with teach's wife faking pregnancy was brutal

loved the singing on the mattress episode and the finale

show has so much potential

**Absolut** · December 10th, 2009, 06:11 PM

So after watching the episode again today

I just noticed that the dancing to "My Life Would Suck Without You" is a mashup of a majority of the dances from throughout the season...

I saw some of: Last Name, Single Ladies, I Say A Little Prayer, It's My Life/Confessions, Proud Mary, Push It, Crazy In Love, and I think maybe a couple others.

Just a random observation

**TickTockMan** · December 10th, 2009, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Absolut

So after watching the episode again today

I just noticed that the dancing to "My Life Would Suck Without You" is a mashup of a majority of the dances from throughout the season...

I saw some of: Last Name, Single Ladies, I Say A Little Prayer, It's My Life/Confessions, Proud Mary, Push It, Crazy In Love, and I think maybe a couple others.

Just a random observation

What a better way to say thank you than showing him what he helped to achieve?

**Absolut** · December 10th, 2009, 07:38 PM

^ This is true

and omg why did I just find out that Idina Menzel is joining most of the episodes (9 roughly) for the next season???

**TickTockMan** · December 10th, 2009, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Absolut

^ This is true

and omg why did I just find out that Idina Menzel is joining most of the episodes (9 roughly) for the next season???

Its great ain't it?

Check out IMDB's message board for glee. All new Glee news is there usually in seconds.

IMDB.com

**StlKj** · December 10th, 2009, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Absolut

So after watching the episode again today

I just noticed that the dancing to "My Life Would Suck Without You" is a mashup of a majority of the dances from throughout the season...

I saw some of: Last Name, Single Ladies, I Say A Little Prayer, It's My Life/Confessions, Proud Mary, Push It, Crazy In Love, and I think maybe a couple others.

Just a random observation

I caught on to it pretty quickly and thought it was very cool. That was one of those moments where you wish you could turn to someone sitting on the couch with you and go,"Oh my gosh, look at that!"

But the cat wasn't that interested.

**TickTockMan** · December 10th, 2009, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Killjoke

I caught on to it pretty quickly and thought it was very cool. That was one of those moments where you wish you could turn to someone sitting on the couch with you and go,"Oh my gosh, look at that!"

But the cat wasn't that interested.

Instead of a formal JUB meet we need a Glee watching party.

**grantt** · December 11th, 2009, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Thynight

Instead of a formal JUB meet we need a Glee watching party.

That would be so gay. That would be so fun.

**josher** · December 11th, 2009, 11:08 PM

^^Interesting suggestion from another forum: Idina's character could turn out to be Rachel's ("I have two gay dads") biological mother.

Many people have noticed that Lea and Idina resemble each other a great deal.

Idina is too young to be Lea's mother in real life, but not 16 year old Rachel's. Idina is 38. Lea is, I think, 21.

**trinket** · December 12th, 2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Thynight

Some drawings going around the net. GLBT interest.

http://purtmaker01.deviantart.com/

Love those! So romantic/tender. Thanks for the link!

**TickTockMan** · December 12th, 2009, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by josher

^^Interesting suggestion from another forum: Idina's character could turn out to be Rachel's ("I have two gay dads") biological mother.

Many people have noticed that Lea and Idina resemble each other a great deal.

Idina is too young to be Lea's mother in real life, but not 16 year old Rachel's. Idina is 38. Lea is, I think, 21.

A bio I read said 23, but it could be wrong.

**TickTockMan** · December 12th, 2009, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by trinket

Love those! So romantic/tender. Thanks for the link!

Your welcome. The artist posted the link on the Glee message board on the IMDB so I thought I would share.

**Jayden** · December 12th, 2009, 03:39 PM

So many of the guys on Glee are so sexy.

**SexyKev** · December 12th, 2009, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by grantt

That would be so gay. That would be so fun.

LOL! Gay indeed.

I still LUV this show.

**sonny10305** · December 13th, 2009, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by Absolut

^ This is true

and omg why did I just find out that Idina Menzel is joining most of the episodes (9 roughly) for the next season???

It gets even better babe, Kristin Chenoweth is also coming back.

I loved the way the show wrapped up. Terri's fake pregnancy was uncovered. and Will dumped her.
Then, finally, Finn learned the truth about his pregnant girlfriend.
I was glad Rachel figured it out and spilled the news.
As for Sue, what can I say, she went out with a bang and will be back with a vengeance.
can't wait...love her.

**TickTockMan** · December 15th, 2009, 06:40 PM

In case anyone is interested. Glee merchandise.

http://shop.cafepress.com/glee

**YeahWhatever** · December 15th, 2009, 06:49 PM

I just realized that this show reminds me a lot of Sister Act 2. And I loved Sister Act 2....

**dude2121** · December 17th, 2009, 08:48 PM

I wonder how far they will skip forward, if at all.

**TickTockMan** · December 17th, 2009, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by dude2121

I wonder how far they will skip forward, if at all.

According to another forum I use they wont skip ahead.

**Dman007** · December 19th, 2009, 02:35 AM

I was very pleased with how the season ended...or half season or whatever you wanna call it (I guess normal season use to be about 24 episodes?...anyways...lol)

only Downfall it doesn't start again til April!

American Idol starts up again next month...for my TV..Music...singing show...fix....kinda....lol

**Willie Boy** · December 19th, 2009, 09:43 AM

These days a normal season runs about 13 episodes. Unless its a crime drama (like Law &Order, or CSI or any of their clones) then it could go up to 48 and very rarely 52 (one full year of a new episode per week).

**josher** · December 20th, 2009, 07:52 PM

In the 50s and early 60s the standard scripted TV program filmed 39 episodes. The 13 summer weeks from mid-June until early September either showed reruns or there was a "summer replacement" show on during those weeks.

As scripted TV got more and more expensive the nuimber of yearly episodes gradually decreased.

New shows may only receive an order for 12 episodes or less. If they're successful, the network orders more.

The standard number of episodes for a full season pick-up is now 22 or 23.

**TickTockMan** · December 26th, 2009, 09:42 PM

I wish I could see one of these in person.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhbK2bMTRbI[/ame]

**josher** · December 28th, 2009, 11:52 PM

^^I just love these kinds of things.

I've often wondered whether or not any of the real bystanders ever wind up trying to join in.

My favorite is the Sound of Music one (Do-Re Mi) last year in Germany.

**TickTockMan** · December 29th, 2009, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by josher

I've often wondered whether or not any of the real bystanders ever wind up trying to join in.

I would think they do.

The book I have on Spring Awakening talks about how some of the audience that gets to sit on stage to watch the show tries to sing quite a bit. It has happened so many time that now they try to get people that have seen it a few times to sit there, because at times the audience member doesn’t get it and doesn’t sit down.

I could see the same happening for one of these.

**froglegs8989** · December 30th, 2009, 12:54 PM

I have to say that I enjoyed Lea's version of Don't Rain on My Parade over Barbra's version.

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