Fratmen Nash on Fratmen TV live 5/13.

[Dudepussy]

interesting

[PhunkSpunk]

Paul is indeed being featured on the ESPN show "Outside the Lines" that was originally postponed from early May and is currently scheduled to air June 14th. He feels (and I agree) that it would be better to postpone his return Fratmen.TV LIVE! show until after the ESPN story airs to see how it all plays out.

Nothing personal to the Fratmen guys, but I'm kinda hoping Paul decides to take a pass and continues with his London, 2012 aspirations.

In a Corbin Fisher video this past summer 'Dawson', another gifted athlete, was talking about how he followed the Olympic track events avidly. I sensed a little bit of regret: perhaps had his life taken a different turn he may have been competing himself. I'm sure he's making lots of money being 'Dawson', but there's something about just being in the Olympics.

[PhunkSpunk]

Phunk, I agree except for one thing. How will appearing on FratmenTV prevent him from appearing in the Olympics?

It could just make it a little more difficult. It could also interfere with future coaching positions. I don't think it's in Paul's interest to turn this into a civil rights case.

[PhunkSpunk]

I'm not making any generalizations about people who work in the adult industry. Rather, I'm thinking of Paul Donahoe in particular. As for his aspirations, all I know what I've read; and everything I've read about him tells me he's this focused, driven guy who, like all excessively focused people neglects the greater world and has lapses in judgment. Fratmen was a lapse in judgment: it was naive of him to think that no one would find out. His story -- the beat-up junk heap of a car, the thread-bare clothes, living hand to mouth for the sport that got him out of his broken family and dead-end town -- is very moving. He's already had a pretty remarkable life. He's got a lot of pluck. He seemed very focused on going to the Olympics.

All that said, I think he has a good head on his shoulders. I think he's an academic All American.

As hypothetical potential employers, obviously neither you nor I would give a rat's ass about whether he did soft-core gay porn. However for a college looking for a wrestling coach, a background in porn would probably be a deal breaker. I don't see the world changing in that regard anytime soon.

Nah, I think Paul should get his degree, continue to train like hell, work as an assistant coach somewhere, and just go for it. Maybe they'll let him stay on in Edinboro -- they seem to like him, and it has a great wrestling program. Be great to see him on the podium and hear the Star Spangled Banner.

[shotglass]

It never ceases to amaze me, how people like to put a spin on these guys. Paul comes from the same state that I live in. He didn't live in a dead end town. Unless your definition of a dead end town is anywhere in the rust belt area. What drama some would like Paul's story to be. Paul came from a broken marriage family. So has 50% of most kids. Paul has never regretted nor apologized for his appearance on FratmenTV. To compare Paul to Dawson, is like comparing apples to oranges. Dawson chose to throw away his college and athletic opportunities to become a "Porn Star". Paul went to college and DID get his degree.

Paul has stayed in touch with John from FratmenTV/Fratpad. He is going to appear on ESPN to do a story in June. Whether Paul returns to FratmenTV/Fratpad is still in discussions. Has he thrown is future career opportunities away because of his appearance on the site mentioned? I hardly doubt it. It didn't stop another college from gladly accepting him to continue his education and his wrestling career. Where he once again gained success.

Some might like to think that if a guy appears on FratmenTV/Fratpad it's an end to there future careers. The difference for these guys who appear here from other sites are they talk with us, the members. Where they talk and interact with us and we get to know things about them, unlike other sites where they appear as just a piece of meat. And you never get to know them.

I know three current FratmenTV/Fratpad members while appearing on the sites, who also are either going to college, or are pursuing a successful career.

One guy is studying to become a Dr. of Optometry. He will be taking a summer course in Biology, while working at the Fratpad. While another just got his degree in culinery arts, from one of the most prestigous colleges in the country. At this time he's continuing to get another degree in Business Management, with aspirations of owning a fitness center and restaurant that emphazises healthy food. Another has an active successful career in modeling. Where he's done work for Banana Republic, Calvin Klein to mention a few, plus has done numerous photoshoots for Men's Health, Excercise for Men and other like magazines.

If Paul decides to enter the Olympics for 2012 is up to him. But he's gotten his degree, and whatever course his career path takes him, I'm sure he'll be successful. Who knows what he wants to do with his future. That's up for to him to decide, not us.

The two guys I mentioned in college, have said on air, the money they make helps them with tuition, books, and other things that otherwise they wouldn't of had the opportunity. And the guy in modeling, will do no nude modeling, he has clearly said so during appearances on FratmenTV/Fratpad, and in Bios that I've read. He also has said because of his success in modeling, the companies he works with pays all his expenses. So you might ask, then why does he appear on FratmenTV/Fratpad, because he enjoys what he's doing, makes some extra money in the process, AND he's just a great guy, and I'm glad to say he's become a good cyberspace friend.

[PhunkSpunk]

So my question is -- what about all of the other guys on fratmen? Did they too have lapses of judgment? Do they stand to lose as much as Paul with whatever career they might want to pursue? Some of the guys, if not all, might want to pursue careers much more lucrative than college coaching staff. I'm just wondering if you think it's improper for all of the guys to work with fratmen or just Paul. . .

Nebraska could have said that Paul was disciplined internally -- and his wrestling career moves forward with little interruption.

I have no idea what the other Fratmen's backgrounds are like, so therefore no idea of what they stand to lose by a porn career. My guess is that most of them are guys who barely graduated from high school (if that), maybe take some classes at the local community college, have some kind of MacJob, fuck lots of chicks, and spend an awful lot of time at the gym, +/- 'supplements'. Which is to say that they don't have much to lose. Paul Donahoe, on the other hand, is a highly accomplished athlete in a sport that demands dedication. Far from being a muscle-head at Golds, his athletic good looks come from a lifetime of intense training and discipline. Maybe some of the other guys have similar stories, but something tells me most don't.

Quite honestly, I think most high profile collegiate wrestling programs would have handled the Paul and Kenny incident similarly. Homoeroticism and frank homosexuality are the 'dirty laundry' of wrestling, the 500 lb pink elephant on the corner of the mat that nobody wants to acknowledge. It may be wrong, but it's another thing I don't see changing anytime soon.

[PhunkSpunk]

Okay spill it. What is your tie to collegiate wrestling? This incident seems to be hitting close to home.

It's pretty common knowledge. Very high incidence of homo/bisexuals. Perhaps something about that close body contact in the setting of spiking adolescent testosterone levels seems to predispose . . .

[Madmen]

Phunk, I agree except for one thing. How will appearing on FratmenTV prevent him from appearing in the Olympics?

The background of Olympians are greatly scrutinized after all they are representatives of the United States. If they have porn in their background it will surely impair there chances.

[PhunkSpunk]

If gay wrestlers are common knowledge, why is everyone involved in the sport still so uptight?

Probably for the same reason the Church and the Military are uptight about it: giving away the secret.

1Do all the wrestlers know which among them are gay but don't want to be stereotyped themselves?

Couldn't tell you, but I suspect just like Marines know which of their brothers swings that way (and don't mind), so I imagine if you're around the sport you really get a feel for it. know several gay guys who wrestled.

1I'm asking because I still suspect you have a tie to wrestling -- which you didn't answer before! Did you used to wrestle?

high school, not college. too much of a commitment.

[titi75]

bref/anyhow...when will Paul show up eventually on the site????

[Bradude]

Here's a thought to the site owners... have concrete plans before you advertise the event on the site and all over the internet. It comes off as really amateurish when you have to reschedule a show at the last minute because of "technical issues" or simply a change of mind.

Refunding membership fees is one thing, but I doubt most people who fell for the deceit would know about that offer unless it was directly stated on the Fratmen website directly rather than on a JUB post.

[halfslice]

i think these guys should do what they want to do ....with out other ppl sticking there nose in other ppl business.

[joparoke]

So... any updates on when/if Paul will be performing LIVE at fratmen.tv?

Also, I'm curious about the cam scheduling process at fratmen and fratpad. Is it done day-by-day? Weekly?

I noticed that there is a schedule posted each day, but do members have an extended schedule available to them? Or do they have to wait each day to see which performers will be online and at what time?

[studybuddy]

Yeah.

HostmasterJohn, if you read this, it might be nice for nonmembers to see the weekly schedule.

[titi75]

so now what????

[Bradude]

I thought HostmasterJohn said during his Wednesday Fratpad chat that Nash needed a few more weeks to finish up with classes and then decisions would be made.

Sounds like more excuses. Nash already graduated. Also, it's summer for colleges.

[heartfly77]

I went to Fratmentv and there is Nash's picture with a "Come see Fratmen Nash" next to it. And of course it is right next to the "Live" button. Good advertising.

[samsonite]

I went to Fratmentv and there is Nash's picture with a "Come see Fratmen Nash" next to it. And of course it is right next to the "Live" button. Good advertising.

LOL, so they're definitely milking it. I thought management at FMtv stated here before that they would never do something like that. I suppose you can't blame them I guess.

[piano1]

One hot looking stud. I'd take him down - in my bedroom!!

[titi75]

...so he is showing soon?

[petervu02]

Doesn't this turn u on?

[shotglass]

During Hostmaster John's cam show last night he addressed the subject about Nash/Paul. He said he had spoken to him this week, and it doesn't look like Nash will be appearing anytime soon, if even at all.
Nash/Paul has sponsers that he stands to loose should he appear again on FratmenTV/Fratpad. John didn't mention it, but just perhaps Nash/Paul does want to compete in the 2012 Olympics.

[heartfly77]

As much as I wish I could see Nash live on Fratmen, I will be glad if he chooses not to. I wish him all the best.

[heartfly77]

I think I understand where you are coming from and don't mean to be critical of you personally. I'm sure Nash will make the best decision for his future. And I'm sure we want all the fratmen models to be successful in whatever they do.

What I don't get is that everyone wants Nash to avoid fratmen so it doesn't hurt his future, but everybody loves that all the other guys continue to appear on fratmen. The other guys have families and lives and goals too. It seems like the other fratmen are being degraded.

I'm having a hard time articulating exactly what I mean. I'm not trying to argue that Nash should come back to fratmen; I just don't understand the double standard with regard to the other models.

And it's not about Paul being a public figure. Did anyone outside of the wrestling circle know who Paul Donohoe was prior to the "scandal?" Can anyone name the guys from the last US Olympic wrestling team? I remember other fratmen models talking about people in their hometowns discovering their work. The issue for me isn't about Paul, it's about how we view, value and react to any models who work in the adult industry.

I understand where you are coming from. I just think we tend to think more about this because Paul's story made big news and it caused trouble for him. I personally don't see any problem with his work or the work of any of the other models on fratmen. It is really about how Paul is going to feel about himself. He must have some hesitation to come back; that's why I said what I said. I wish all the best for every model as they are all young guys who have a long future in front of them.

I have posted somewhere else about how society views porn. I personally think the only people who have a right to frown on porn are people who do not have sex and wishes not to have sex. I think it's hypocritical when people frown on porn but do the same things, just not in front of a camera.

[titi75]

so when is he showing up??

[titi75]

so people from Fratmen? any explanation why u said he was coming back on the site and eventually he didnt..?

[braex27]

Yes what happened with that? It seems to have all fizzled out. Is it happening or not?

[PhunkSpunk]

"Life is wrestling, the rest is just details" is not only a t-shirt logo but could just as easily be Paul Donahoe's personal motto. The guy eats, breaths, and shits wrestling, and there is nothing wrong with that. Real wrestling, and not that WWE bullshit, is a beautiful sport and extremely under appreciated.

Paul's a smart wrestler. He brings more brain than brawn to the mat. He had talked about training for London, 2012. He will likely make his life in wrestling, coaching at either the high-school or college level. And while most of us think it shouldn't be, porn in the past will be a problem in his attaining any of these goals.

Paul was smart to say no to more Fratmen. His solo is once again available on the site -- that damage has already been done so why not? I hope he's receiving some kind of extra payment for it over and above his original three grand. After all, as a result of the controversy he is probably the site's biggest draw. However additional tapes would only add insult to injury and that's the last thing he needs.

[joparoke]

so people from Fratmen? any explanation why u said he was coming back on the site and eventually he didnt..?

Yes what happened with that? It seems to have all fizzled out. Is it happening or not?

I'm guessing that HM John is hoping we all forget about it.

But it's kinda hard to forget when Nash is highlighted on the first page of the site.

[supersync4d]

Jeez people .. the schedule was from 3 freakin months ago. Let it go. It's NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

Let this thread slither back to page 20 and die, because seriously. I get that Nash is smokin, I'm a huge fan myself, but it's getting kind of sad how some of you are acting like clingy ex-girlfriends gasping for false hope.

If it's ever going to be rescheduled, trust me, the producers would spread the word and publicize the shit out of it. Nash is one of their biggest commodities. Everybody and their grandma would know about it.

Let's all just hold hands and move on together, shall we?

[shotglass]

I'm guessing that HM John is hoping we all forget about it.

But it's kinda hard to forget when Nash is highlighted on the first page of the site.

Last time I'm going to comment on this. This was brought up during last week on Hostmaster John's cam show. They've talked recently. Both have decided it's not in Nash's/Paul's best interests to appear on FratmenTV. Paul still has a desire to continue his wrestling career.

[titi75]

thats too easy, they made publicity out of it and now you all want us to forget about it! Just admit it was a big lie!!!

[orange5]

I saw Paul's interview on ESPN. He looked a little cocky and immature which are not unusual traits for an athlete his age. I think it's a blessing in disguise for fratmen that he isn't returning for now. I could see Paul being on the LIVE schedule and then not showing up without any notice to fratmen.

Paul is a good looking guy, but certainly not the hottest guy on fratmen. I think his popularity comes more from his story than from his looks.

[joparoke]

Thanks shotglass for the information.

It's interesting to me that the topic of Paul/Nash's appearance was still being discussed at frat chat as recently as last week. And after hearing this latest explanation from HM John, I understand the situation better and fully support Paul's decision.

The thought of seeing him perform on cam will have to remain a dream. At least I still have great memories of prior video chat experiences with some of the hottest guys around, like Bryce from Corbin Fisher. It's always exciting to get to know these guys on a more personal level. And with Bryce, let's just say, it gets very very personal.

[Thomanrd]

I've just read your message!!
Can you download his movies and share them with us plz????
It would be so nice!
Hope you will reply!

[shotglass]

I've just read your message!!
Can you download his movies and share them with us plz????
It would be so nice!
Hope you will reply!

Sorry Thomanrd, I see your new here, but I can't do that, without loosing my membership.

Nash made only one video. If you really want it, join for a month, and download Nashs video and any other you may want, then quit before the month ends. The videos are drm free. FYI, meaning, you can play them on your PC as many times as you want.

[MailBoxWater]

To be fair, they never specified what year this appearance was to supposed to be. We all just need to keep May 13 of each year open until further notice.

[arnaud_68]

Did the guy ever do another shot ?

[sammyyummy]

To be fair, they never specified what year this appearance was to supposed to be. We all just need to keep May 13 of each year open until further notice.

LMAO. classic

[PhunkSpunk]

One more yuck: David Forrest claims he can arrange a private meeting . . .

"Nash" has gotten on with his life and is doing what he loves.

The Fratmen meme has gotten so old. Housemaster John should just give up the ghost.

Fratmen used to get these incredibly hot guys to take off their clothes and rub one out. I suspect the double insult of the Nebraska wrestlers and Dustin Zito has convinced guys somehow their friends will find out. The current crop is so sub-standard.