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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Chris on The Maury Show,

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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Okay...and I am being 100% serious right now.....who wants to go out and get some guns and kill this mother fucker? Seriously.....I am getting sick and tired of listening to this grotesquely overly dramatic, drag queen wanna-be getting all of this media attention for making a stupid YouTube video about a stupid has-been pop singer.

    Honestly, flame me if you want I don't fucking care, but this guy is every negative gay stereotype there is rolled into one. Nothing good will come of this, you just wait and see, and if I live to eat those words then kill me.
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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Fox News? Pfft.


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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Now to be clear I totally don't like HER/him... but how come, you, gay people who want to be accepted so much, can bash this guy for being like this? He/SHE is the way he/SHE wants. LEAVE HIM ALONE.

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    Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Is he for real? Or is he making all these videos just to be controversial?

    Chris Crocker posted this video on his website, then removed it. But a few people were able to download it before he took it off....

    Chris Crocker: Pro Britney and Anti 9/11


    Chris Crocker on Maury: "Before I'm an American, I'm a Britney fan...!"

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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    I'm telling you guys, he's going to set back the gay movement 60 years...!

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    maury just looooooooves the queens..

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by crakker_jakk View Post
    maury just looooooooves the queens..
    True, but even he was taken aback by Chris Crocker... "Are you for real?"

    Think of it, if Chris Crocker can shock an old dog like Maury, he must be pret-ty bad...

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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Quote Originally Posted by rollex_2000 View Post
    Now to be clear I totally don't like HER/him... but how come, you, gay people who want to be accepted so much, can bash this guy for being like this? He/SHE is the way he/SHE wants. LEAVE HIM ALONE.
    Because he's a complete satire of what homosexuality is supposed to be. I don't care that he acts that way as long as he isn't misleading the general public that every gay man in the world is like him.

    As things are going, and like Ned Nickerson said, he's going to set back all that we've been working for because he likes getting the attention.

    The way the media works in the USA, he'll be recognized as the average gay man as a representative of the entire homosexual community within a week and then we're all pretty much fucked. This is not good, not good at all.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    I hope that's it for the tv deal then


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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    The more attention he gets, the worse he gets. It's that simple, he's a dirt-common attention whore and a media-money-maker.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    So.
    What nation are Chris Crocker and this Britney girl from??

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurn View Post
    So.
    What nation are Chris Crocker and this Britney girl from??
    The same nation with a monkey for a president and a severe bar on gay and lesbian rights. Surprised? I'm not.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Chris Crocker is an inordinately annoying little jerk, who seems to think he is amusing, and whose "15 minutes" should have been up about a month ago...

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    I hate Barney, so?


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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikami View Post
    For people that don't like him, seem to post about him a lot.
    We're just trying to show him up for what he is...

    He may have fucked his chances for a television deal with that Britney-9/11 video... Let's see what the media does with that one...

    My guess is they'll ignore it, because he's not "funny" and campy like he is in his "Leave Britney alone!" video...

    Also, I seriously doubt that there's going to be any studio willing to put someone under contract who's so controversial and already has death threats against him...

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Of course stupid worthless whores defend one another. And the more of a total loser someone is, the more people will watch them. Look at Ann Coulter, for another example.
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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushover View Post
    Okay...and I am being 100% serious right now.....who wants to go out and get some guns and kill this mother fucker? Seriously.....I am getting sick and tired of listening to this grotesquely overly dramatic, drag queen wanna-be getting all of this media attention for making a stupid YouTube video about a stupid has-been pop singer.

    Honestly, flame me if you want I don't fucking care, but this guy is every negative gay stereotype there is rolled into one. Nothing good will come of this, you just wait and see, and if I live to eat those words then kill me.
    I say get the noose ready, and find a nice sturdy tree to tie it up on. (for you i mean)

    Sure he is the rolling gay stereotype, but get over it. I hate you queers who want people to change just so YOU don't have to have a hard time where you live. He is being who he wants to be, and whats more, he is ACTING. Sure, he may still be femme and act like that. In the end, it is still his life and not yours, and sure nothing good will come out of it, but nothing bad will either.

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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushover View Post
    Because he's a complete satire of what homosexuality is supposed to be. I don't care that he acts that way as long as he isn't misleading the general public that every gay man in the world is like him.

    As things are going, and like Ned Nickerson said, he's going to set back all that we've been working for because he likes getting the attention.

    The way the media works in the USA, he'll be recognized as the average gay man as a representative of the entire homosexual community within a week and then we're all pretty much fucked. This is not good, not good at all.
    He isnt misleading anyone. Never once did he say that this is how every gay man acts. He is just making videos and acting like he wants to act. If other people want to see other gay men on youtube, there are FAR more popular gay tubbers who don't act like him. (ex: What the Buck)

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Britney Spears is our national idiot.
    Yesterday she made the news again. It seems she crashed into another car, and got out and made a fuss, and then said to by standers, "My car is OK isn't it?" Put the bitch in jail and lose the key.

    If Chris Crocker likes her so much he can share the cell for a couple of months. Maybe their collective IQ will rise to 80.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Ouch. That 9/11 comment will see his demise.

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Shepherd 2 View Post
    Britney Spears is our national idiot.
    Yesterday she made the news again. It seems she crashed into another car, and got out and made a fuss, and then said to by standers, "My car is OK isn't it?" Put the bitch in jail and lose the key.

    If Chris Crocker likes her so much he can share the cell for a couple of months. Maybe their collective IQ will rise to 80.
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    80 really?? You have such faith in people Shep, I would have thought the highest they could get was a -100.........

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikami View Post
    Where is that comment actually directed at?
    Britney and Crocker.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Tacking on 30 seconds to 15 minutes, BAMN.

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    What I found most appalling about the Maury video is that the morons that keep his joke of a show alive, applauded Chris when he said that before he was an American, he was a Britney fan. Something is seriously wrong with those people. Why would anyone in their right mind applaud this drama queen who obviously has no clue about reality? He lives in a fantasy world.

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    I wonder, if he met Britney face to face, what would he do...? Faint? Have an orgasm? Try to fuck her...? He's gay for pete's sake... What's the HUGE attraction...?

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    What an ugly mean queen. I bet you they'll still use him to show people what mean evil faggots we are.
    elvin, we'll just have to get you on television to counteract anything that idiot does...
    I'm sure you'll have all of JUB behind you (no pun intended)

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    At this point I'd like to be on television and tell everyone what a dope he is.

    He's just a media whore. You block him from the mainstream media, you take the attention away from him and he becomes one of those bitter people using photo blogs and cheap websites to get his points across.

    I don't doubt the first video he made was fake. Some people are really devout fans about things. But, what he's done after that is take the media as his own just to be hateful. Simply put, he just likes the attention he gets from acting like a total ass.

    @elvin: oh sure, we have to accept him as part of the gay community, but we don't have to accept him as representing the majority of the gay community.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Ya know, if you look at him from kinda far away, he could be mistaken for Victoria Beckham...

    but if you look at him close, I think he looks like Avril Lavigne...
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    I knew from day one that queen was trouble. How can anyone make a joke of 9-11 like he is doing? But whatever....He's GAY so we MUST be behind him 100%. Right?

    I kept hoping that before long, he'd say or do something to undermine himself... and I think he has... It didn't take as long as I thought it would...

    Supposedly, he thought better of that 9/11 video and removed it before too many people saw it, but at least one person managed to download it before he deleted it...

    It just goes to show that he's not playing with a full deck...

    He's ruining YouTube... Everytime I go there, his videos show up in the "BEING VIEWED RIGHT NOW" section... And the copycat videos are showing up everywhere!

    And so far, all of the copycat videos I've seen are making fun of him...
    He's seriously giving homophobes from every nook and cranny a field day...
    Finally, a "fag" everyone can make fun of without anyone stopping them!

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    Re: Chris Crocker's Gay Videos

    Has the JUB search function been disabled recently?

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by elvin1 View Post
    I knew from day one that queen was trouble. How can anyone make a joke of 9-11 like he is doing? But whatever....He's GAY so we MUST be behind him 100%. Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ned Nickerson View Post
    I kept hoping that before long, he'd say or do something to undermine himself... and I think he has... It didn't take as long as I thought it would...

    Supposedly, he thought better of that 9/11 video and removed it before too many people saw it, but at least one person managed to download it before he deleted it...

    It just goes to show that he's not playing with a full deck...

    He's ruining YouTube... Everytime I go there, his videos show up in the "BEING VIEWED RIGHT NOW" section... And the copycat videos are showing up everywhere!

    And so far, all of the copycat videos I've seen are making fun of him...
    He's seriously giving homophobes from every nook and cranny a field day...
    Finally, a "fag" everyone can make fun of without anyone stopping them!
    Quite right. Have you read any of the comments on those videos? I'd estimate that at least 60% of those comments are related to the issue of 'you're a fag' or 'stop talking, homo'.

    While it's true that most people on YouTube are not the most intellectual sort (most are 13-20 with no sense of maturity) you can't but wonder about the impact it is going to have on all of these younger people, especially the gay teenagers that are still debating their sexuality, and the impact it is having on people deciding whether they are comfortable with homosexuality in general.

    This is having a severe negative impact on the gay civil rights movement. It's giving anti-homosexual groups fuel and material for holding us back. This dramatic little upstart doesn't realize what he's doing because he has glitter in his eyes and the attention of the media.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikami View Post
    NEWS FLASH:

    Anti gay people will find fuel whether or not he is out there. If he was not in the spot light, all these people saying these things would be exactly the same, they would be calling another guy a fag, or queen or what have you.

    This guy came into the 'spot light' and is some one for homophobic people and for you guys to attack. That's all it is. He's there and he's a target. Whether it's his fault or not, people will say it is.
    Obviously, anyone who is anti-anything can find fuel for their hate. But, what Chris is doing is getting this attention and then taking it to a whole 'nother level. He is using the media as his own plaything. He's going to be put up on a pedestal and pointed at saying "This is what the evil gay people are like!" whether it's true or not. So, not only does this fuel anti-gay hate, they now have a symbol to focus that hate and it's in plain sight.

    Of course it's not entirely his fault. The political media is half to blame for giving Chris the attention that he wants to keep him going. The Media can be a very powerful political tool when used in the right way.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikami View Post
    I've repeated myself plenty of times on this same topic. But, I don't understand how it is his fault that people want to use him for their hatred and to fuel their stereotypes, that problem isn't in him or what he is doing. People that hate him are the problem.

    And he's using the media and all that because it's a big joke. The media is littered with what kind of toilet paper celebrities are using every day, of course they're going to eat it up and of course he's going to use it to his advantage to get the goal he wants.

    Anyway, this argument is getting pretty tired. So, I am basically done with it.
    I'm fed up with it, too. The only real thing we can do right now is wait and see what he'll do next.

    I call this meeting adjourned. We'll meet two weeks from this past Thursday, same gay channel, same gay time and discuss what visible impact we've seen.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    I wonder how many future hate crimes and gay bashings he's going to be "indirectly" responsible for?
    Think about it...

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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Are you listening to yourselves? We bitch and moan and fight for acceptance from those who don't understand us, or have prejudged us.

    And you're ready to form a lynch mob because you find him annoying, or a poor representative of the gay population.

    Shame on you all.

    As for what he was wearing on the Maury Show, that should have some prison time attached to it.

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    Re: Chris Crocker on Fox News.

    Quote Originally Posted by looseliam View Post
    Are you listening to yourselves? We bitch and moan and fight for acceptance from those who don't understand us, or have prejudged us.

    And you're ready to form a lynch mob because you find him annoying, or a poor representative of the gay population.

    Shame on you all.

    As for what he was wearing on the Maury Show, that should have some prison time attached to it.
    I completely agree with you on this one. He may be an extreme stereotype but people must accept that there are people like him in the gay community. By joining the lynch mob, all we're doing is saying to those that condem us that it's absolutely fine because we condem ourselves equally as much. We should be sticking up for him not wishing he would die. What is it about feminine gay guys that gets the gay community in such a negative frame of mind?

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    Re: Chris Crocker's Gay Videos

    I dont think chris crocker is that funny, i was also quite offended in his rant about gay ppl saying the ones that are straight acting are hiding their sexuality which isnt true cos he is saying we shouldnt hold footballs we should hold purses?
    im as gay as anyone else, even if i dont wanna walk around with make up and a purse calling ppl bitches and queens

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Christ, get the fuck over yourselves. If you really want to do something productive for the gay community that will counteract all the wrong that CC is bringing down upon it, then get your own goddamned video cameras and put on your own videos, and make them interesting enough so that people can talk about giving you a T.V. show and stop just spewing poisonoud wasted air.

    Walk the talk. To just tag it on the kid is so lazy. Looking for scapegoats is lazy. If he bugs you that much, and you feel that he must be stop, then fucking stop him and stop making thread, after thread, after thread of how damaging he is. DO SOMETHING. Get your own T.V. show. Otherwise just shut up.

    On this site if you did a search of CC I wonder how many threads/posts would come up. Fuck, this might as well be a fucking CC fansite.

    And by the way, last time I checked Jake Gyllehead was straight and married. I don't think he'd be into sucking cock. Thereby making him NOT gay. And as a gay male I don't want a fucking HETERO representing me. I would not stop so low as to be represented by a HETERO who wouldn't begin to understand my fucking struggle at the hands of his comrades.

    And for the record...

    I'm here.
    I'm queer.
    Can't wait for CC T.V.
    GET USED TO IT.
    He's got gay fans behind him.
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by darlingstacy View Post
    For those of you who think that this kid is not a detriment to your community, I beg to differ. ... he is taking every stereotype ever spoken about the community and bringing it to the forefront of people's minds, again. Just when things were getting a little better. You think gay marriage is going to be allowed now? Think again. This kid represents everything that is wrong with the media and our society. He is the quintisential representation of "it's funny because it's true." They aren't laughing with him, they are laughing at him, and every single gay person out there, regardless of their need to be queeny or be straight acting.
    Thanks for posting this, Stacy! You're right on the mark with your comments. He's the epitome of everything bad for the gay community... To think of the new ammunition he's providing anti-gay ideologists and homophobes makes me boil with anger...

    And the video parodies are just as bad... finally, the homophobes have a target and an outlet for all their derision... And to think it's happening now, just when so many gay kids are returning to school and college...

    I wonder if Fred Phelps is using Chris Crocker's video as training material?

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Effortless_Pro View Post
    Stacy, I value your prescence here. So I want this to sound sincere.

    These videos are not serious.

    They're jokes.

    He even says they are, he posted that on the tag of this video LONG before he got the exsposure he has now.
    Putting a disclaimer on his videos saying "It's a joke" reminds me of the proverbial "lipstick on a pig." ("Put lipstick on a pig, and - guess what - it's still a pig!")

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikami View Post
    EP, really, just save your words. These threads will continually pop up because these guys need some one to blame over their insecurities, it's a non-winning battle.
    The next time there's another legal battle involving gay rights, giving gays the right to marry, adopt children, have equal rights in the workplace, etc., all the naysayers have to do now is to hold Chris Crocker up as an example of the gay community, and all debates and meaninful dialogues will be stopped cold in their tracks.

    Chris Crocker has done them all a favor, by presenting himself to them on a golden plate...

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Effortless_Pro View Post
    Was Matthew Shepard only crucified to a fence, and had the shit beat out of him, because he was 'so gay', "so effeminate", or 'so obvious'? Was it his fault?
    I wonder who would laugh louder at Chris Crocker?
    Matthew Shepard or the guys who strung him up?

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    It seems to me, those of you who condone him and think he's there for entertainment are a little closed minded. I don't care if he's made a disclaimer or not. Do you think the majority of viewers even see that? Why do you think he even got on Maury's show?

    Not only is he a bad example of what gays are really like (and you know that's what all the straights see), he's a bad example for the human race and America as well.


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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Speaking of Matthew Shepard - if that had been him in all those videos, I wonder if the jury might not have let those two guys walk free, citing "justifiable homicide?"

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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Quote Originally Posted by darlingstacy View Post
    I had every intention of staying away from this thread. But I was directed to a few videos that angered me beyond belief...

    As a member of this community and as a woman, I am apalled by these videos, and I am saddened that so many of you can't see what this means to you as gay men. It isn't the fact that he's queeny or fem. It's the fact that he is taking every stereotype ever spoken about the community and bringing it to the forefront of people's minds, again. Just when things were getting a little better. You think gay marriage is going to be allowed now? Think again. This kid represents everything that is wrong with the media and our society. He is the quintisential representation of "it's funny because it's true." They aren't laughing with him, they are laughing at him, and every single gay person out there, regardless of their need to be queeny or be straight acting.
    Darlingstacy, I would advice that you grab a couple of books. The first one is called "The Second Sex" by Simone de Beauvoir. In it she explores how men have been making women into the 'other' as a means of oppression. The next one is called "The Beauty Myth" by Naomi Wolf, then there's Bitch: In Praise of Difficult Women by Elizabeth Wurtzel, and also "Nymphomania: A History" by Carol Groneman.

    As a woman, and it seems that you are so angered by the attitude CC has shown towards women, it would serve you best in your battle for feminism to read about what HETEROSEXUAL MALE institutions such as politics, religion, society, and even a predominantly run heterosexist male science has done to socially desecrate women in far more heinous ways than CC.

    Let us not forget a wonderful man named Eminem who has been showered with awards, after awards for his poetic lyrics and his great talent. Have you seen Eminem's lyrics? If not perhaps you should. If you have, then perhaps it would be great to revise them. A lot of people used talk about the 'comedy' behind his lyrics. As for myself something about slicing the throat of your child's mother stuffing her in the trunk of car and then having your daughter throw her off a bridge, they don't really sound all that comedic to me, but hey... And wasn't Fred Durst also investigated in connection to the rapes that took place during Woodstock '99? R. Kelly and child porn videos... O.J. Simpson smiling at the cameras after having gotten away with what he did to Nicole Simpson. I would think that if you are such as serious feminist and if you are such a concerned member of the community then you would take a more active stance in that place where real activism is required. Unless of course, it's safe feminism which is what you're looking for then you're doing nothing more than disrespecting all the women that have fallen at the hands of men. HETEROSEXUAL MEN.

    CC is a waste of time to real feminist work.

    Andrew Dice Clay, Jimmy Kimmel, Hugh Hefner. You might want to check them out. Actually, and I quote Bob Guccione the founder of Penthouse who said to a reporter from Time magazine that "Feminism has emasculated the American male... And that emasculation has led to physical problems. This pill -Viagra- will take the pressure off men... and undercut the feminist agenda"

    So Darlingstacy, it seems to me that if you are really concerned for the state of womanhood, you have some serious work cut out for you. You might also want to look into Jerry Springer who seems to have a thing for giving chicks who show their tits beads. Oh then there was the guy behind the "Girls Gone Wild" videos, who was charged with sexual harassment.

    Yeah, Andrea Dworkin would also have some strong words about pornography. Perhaps you should look around you and see what kind of site this is.

    And for the record. What CC is saying is no different than the beer ads, or car magazines, rock bands have pretty much said about women. Except while CC CLEARLY SAYS HE'S JOKING, heterosexual male institutions are not.

    Thought I'd give you a little help with your crusade to rescue women. Seeing how a gay man that is effeminate degrades the gay community, because effemicy is degrading period. Perhaps as a feminist you would want to change those attitudes. By the way, did you look at the video where CC gives credit to the fallopian tubes and calls women the stronger sex? Probably not. You might want to do that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6icWrExCzc

    Also, "The Whole Woman" by Germaine Greer is awesome!
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    How can one upstart split JUB completely in two like this?

    We're fighting over something we have little or no control over...

    This entire fiasco is depressing me...seriously...
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    Re: Chris Crocker: "Britney is a national treasure. Who cares about 9/11?"

    Actually Darlingstacy I am not trying to discourage you from having a feminist point of view here at JUB. I'm a feminist myself. Damn proud one too. Militant as hell. However, I have said many, many times in many of my posts -if you're interested you can verify this- that homophobia stems from misogyny. Gay men's struggle mirror's that of women's struggles. I do believe that there is and there should be a very strong alliance between women and gay men because as the author of "The Trouble with Nature: Sex in Science and Popular Culture" states, gay men's sexuality like women's has been often dismissed as an illness or sin. Institutions that for the most part have been saturated with heterosexual male.

    My problem with this bashing of CC is based on the fact that because he is effeminate he is not causing harm. I feel that attempting to attack him on the basis of his effemacy is actually sexist and misogynist and feed that heterosexist norm that to be anything of value or worth it has to assimilate the heterosexual male. My problem is that being a 'queen' should not be grounds to be addressed as a 'fag'. Because we might as well just keep women in degrading roles.
    I love women. I admire women. My favourite artists are women, same with my favourite thinkers, philosophers, writers, etc.

    Womanhood has been used by heterosexual men in order to enforce gay men with shame. This is why gay men have often been affiliated with the female. Or why gay men are referred to being pansy, queen, girly boy etc. To this day two of the worse things you can call a boy is 'girl' or 'gay'. And you can go to any playground and verify this yourself.

    So I feel that by attacking CC as a bad example of gays because of him being effeminate is actually endorsing that notion that masculine means strength. When it does not. It really doesn't.
    I owe much to the feminist movement and the women in my life in terms of accepting myself as gay. It was when I discovered the power that women hold in all their faces whether Amazonian or vixen I felt, that if being gay was to be like a woman, then there's nothing else I would rather be.

    And this is where I've come from all along. That of hate on CC because he's over the top or effeminate is just as much as handing a dumb jock a beer and getting on your knees for him and keeping him in power. As a gay male, I find it more dangerous to the cause of gays to go into them so docile.
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