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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    No way. It's your choice, your life. if you feel uncomfortable then stay inside. Don't put yourself in harms way if you think that's what would happen. Play safe, play cool.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Not offended. I respect the decision, although, they shouldn't expect to get a favourable response if they make a pass at me.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Nope, not bothered nor offended. It's each individuals choice as to whether they are out or not.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    What's to be offended about? Because of my career, I am closeted at work, but out at home. There may come a time when it will be all right to come out at work, and I'll do it matter of factly. People have various reasons, both stated and unstated for the varying degrees that they remain in the closet. It's all good. Each person, and each circumstance is different. I respect a person's right, to proudly be out, but I want the same courtesy for still being partially in the closet...


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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    not at all.. its doesnt really depend on the circumstances.. if the person isnt comfortable or ready.. i think they should take their time. and even if they dont ever come out, its still ok...

    but i guess im a little bothered by ppl who are fully aware of their homosexuality and still choose to get married.. its not very fair to the other person in the relationship.. but there are a few exceptions..

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    There is a time & place for everything. The main thing is that the guy come to terms with his sexuality in his own mind. Screw everybody else. He he

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I've been out a long time and am not bothered by how others lead their lives. Each must decide for themselves.

    I'm also not bothered by homOsexuals who want to spend their lives marching in parades, being angry homOsexual activists or even breeding dogs. To each his own.

    You will come out when the time is right for you. Not being public about it is not the same as being ashamed of yourselves as some would have you believe. They are ignorant, ignore them.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    yeah, kinda.

    I hate to admit it, but I've got little patience for closeted men. I've made no secret of it in the past, and see little reason to pretend any different now.

    Guys who haven't come to grips with their sexuality is one thing.. and I get that.. Hey, I denied it until I was about 18-19 too.

    I'm talking about guys who know that they're gay, marry women as cover, fuck men behind their wives backs.. not gonna pretend I'm a fan.

    Guys who are so freaking worried that someone might think they're weird or that they might have to make a few new friends.. if your life is defined by what other's think of you, I have little patience for you, either.

    Guys who go to bath houses and parks to get their dicks sucked but are outwardly homophobic in public. Fuck that shit.

    Guys who come up with some lame reason for not coming out when the real reason is that they just don't have the guts to admit they're gay.. sorry, can't get behind that.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    OH, and why did you make this a public poll? you're not going to get a real responce if people are going to have to give an unpopular response.

    I won't even answer the poll, and I think Iwas pretty up front with my attitudes in my last post.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I am only offended by closet cases who knowingly and willingly conspire with our enemies.

    For a good example, see the thread in CE&P about Rev. Lonnie Latham - Baptist Preacher, Anti-Gay Activist and Self-Loathing Cocksucker.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Some people have a good reason to be in the closet. People can be very hostile to openly gay people in my area. While I don't pretend to be straight, I don't announce to everyone that I'm gay. A few of my family members know and some close friends. My boss came out about 10 years ago. He was harassed and threatened. He was fired because he was told that his employee's couldn't respect working under a gay man. I applaud anyone in a position or in an area where than can openly be gay. I don't condemn people who have a good reason to stay in the closet. I don't like gay people that will join in with organizations that condemn homosexuality. In other words, they suck dick on Saturday and go to a homophobic Church on Sunday.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Coming out is a personal choice. As General_Alfie said, I too am more saddened that people find themselves in the position whereby they feel they can't come out. As a 'minority' we get enough criticism and condemnation from the str8 community - without turning on each other.

    I am more offended by members of our community who seem to think it is their mission in life to go on a witch-hunt and 'out' certain people, but I am equally offended by closeted gay people who whinge about being in the closet.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I have no problem with being out or in the closet or a selected outness. It's the indidviduals choice and their life. I have been discussing this subject with people for years and for every 10 reasons to be out I can give 20 not to be. My views on being out are liberal and truly believe it is up to the individual as to how much they wish to come out. I have said it before and still believe coming out is not for everybody.(Read my blog) It kind of pisses me off to hear the crap about not being honest with one's self etc etc yadda yadda yadda...... What a load of crap! If these self righteous outed gays would stop preaching that you must come out and have some compassion and understanding for the one's who's live's are different than theirs we all could be better people for it.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I voted no, i mean they don't offend me.. at most i can only feel pity for them.
    But, what really pissed me off is closeted cases that use homophobic jokes or attitudes to avoid "being discovered"
    Oh man, i usually kick those out the closet as fast as i can
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    The only thing i hate sometimes is when a VERY APPARENT gay guy says he has a girlfriend. Im not very gay acting, so i guess i can udnerstand hiding it if you dont know me and/or think im straight, but just say youre gay, or dont say anything at all.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I'm not offended but I do feel pity for time spent wasted not living life.I know this because I didn't come out until I was about 30. All that time and energy wasted, lieing to myself and others, worrying about what others think. Such a waste.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I am soon to be 39, and I was closeted until I was 37. I tried so hard to live a straight life. No, I didn't marry a female or raise kids, nor would I. But, I did try to be a christian for almost 20 years.

    Now I am completely out, and life is much better. I don't have someone in my life, and have pretty much given up on any LTR at my age, but, by being completely out, maybe I can someday have a BF. That would be more than good enough.

    As for condemning closeted guys, hey, like I said, I was one for almost 20 years. You don't have my condemnation. You have my sympathy.

    You also have my hopes that someday you, too, can have the freedom of an openly gay existence.


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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I'm not offended, just disappointed.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    HMMM where do I start on this one? O:K, Hi my name is Kevin and I am an ex married closeted gay guy. However in my case when I was younger I guess I never realized I was gay. I thought I was bisexual (Down Soilwork down!!lol) and I thought I would be happy with a women . As a kid and a teenager I always wanted to get married and have kids. I had a boyfriend when I was 17 (he approached me) and we eventually lost touch and I never really thought about having another boyfriend and I did what my friends were doing meeting women.

    Well I got together with my ex-wife I guess I was around 26 or 27, we eventually moved in together and had kids. After the we had kids the relationship slowly went downhill. I was just miserable and could not figure out why. So I spoke to my DR and he sent me to therapy
    were I finally came to the conclusion that I AM GAY. Now wonder I was not happy.

    I left my ex- wife two years ago and I have been happily living life as a gay man. I am slowly opening the closet door I told my ex-wife before Christmas and she was cool with it, she was actually mad that I did not tell her sooner. I began telling friends as well and things are going very well people are being very supportive. I do not plan on telling everybody, but if anyone asks I will no longer hide it "Yes I am gay Dammit You got a problem with that?!" I definatly do not plan on coming out to my family which I probably should before they hear it from somebody else.

    So in answer to the question, no I do not hold anything against people who choose to stay in the closet. But I do have a problem with married men who cheat with another man and reason to themselves that it is not cheating because it is with another man that is just plain wrong. It also gives bisexuals a bad wrap.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I'm one of those closet cases...although I never "pretend"...more like I simply don't mention anything that would qualify me as straight and rather sometimes I'll say/do something a bit suspect/gay...I'm simply not saying the words (much, I have come out to a select individual) for many reasons...and yes, fear is one of them. Why someone would find it bothersome or disappointing that I'm not out is offending to ME...lol.

    What is disappointing is that we live in a world where it's not always possible to easily be out and not destroy everything in your life. I might come out fully or partially if I have the need (a boyfriend)...right now, if I came out, I think most would not understand why...but if I had a boyfriend who I was serious about, that would change things quite a bit...of course I'd have to be quite sure.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I am not offended when people choose to stay in the closet - as I feel that is a personal choice for the individual as to whether they come out or not.

    What does offend me - is when someone seems to try and force others to share their same values or way of thinking... like, making a blanket statement that "all gay people need to come out" (who are they to say what someone else needs to do?) ... or, those who say that "gay people who haven't come out haven't accepted their sexuality." (Who are they to say what or how other people are thinking?)

    Many people who do not come out have valid reasons why they remain closeted. Some have jobs or careers where coming out would not be appropriate, or they might lose their job if they did. Other people believe that their coming out could hurt those around them they love very much and they don't want to hurt those people. I know some, too, who just don't believe that it is anybody's business but their own who knows or who doesn't.

    But, whether or not anybody else finds these reasons valid is beside the point... to me - if someone thinks their reason for not coming out of the closet is valid - that's all that matters.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I'm not offended or disappointed with closet cases either. I was there once...and fairly recently too. As long as the closet case doesn't start pretending he's straight by marrying a woman and having children, then I have no qualms with him. I take serious issue with married closet-cases who cheat on their wives and feel no remorse or guilt for the infidelity they're committing.

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    gay people should be the last to be bashing other gays. whether or not a person is "straight acting" or "closeted" doesn't make them any less gay or any less of a person.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by LonelyGuy335
    This is out of sheer ignorance and curiosity, but could someone explain to me why that comment was uncalled for. I'm not supporting it or anything, but I'm just not entirely sure what it means. Can someone PM me about it. Thanks.
    I'lldo better than PM you-I'll explain it short and sweet here,since I wish to have nothing to do with an Alfie post ever again!He and Sixthson have had their disagrrements recently-sixthson being more conservative politically-and maybe Sixthson had been a little cutesy with his indirect jabs at General Alfie,a little petulant,but never outright cruel and unfair!Alfie had no right to slander the family arrangement of Sixthson's household!Neither Sixthson or his partner of the last twenty years are in the closet,and the reference to Sixthson's partner as a dog screwer was total sewage !To have a family is a dream many gay and lesbian couples would like to make reality for themselves-the wish for a family is not ilimited to straight married couples!Theyare most certainly not attempting to fit in to a straight world-who appointed Alfie judge of the human heart!THey first adopted a son from a romanoian orphanage several years back,and over the past few months they adopted the boy's younger brothers-they kept a family that was without a mother or father,stuck in an orphanage needing love and support,together-a pretty amazing thing!Once without hope in Romania,the boys have a chance for happiness and prosperity that they may never have known without the love and compassion of Sixthson and his partner!I don't want to see Alfie punished for this except in realizing what a terrible thing he did in petty revenge over a silly and harmless teasing by Sixthson!this is now located in a no-flame thread,so Alfie,watch your response carefully!I won't make you a martyr to the leftists here who eagerly buy your junk,so I urge only that a warning be issued-his post probably occured before the switch from Hot Topics to this no-flame thread,so a banning would be too steep in this case a punishment,if the possibility exists in this situation.You should measure the emotional consequences of your words,as well as what that does to the community of JUB at large.I pity you,sir!
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Thanks, sausageeater for clarifying some of this.

    I want to echo what sausageeater said about this thread now being in a no-flame zone. When Alfie posted his first post that has generated this reaction, it was in Hot Topics where there is more leaway in the types of posts. Now, it is in a No Flame Zone and we need to keep it that way.

    Thanks, all.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by averageguy
    Thanks, sausageeater for clarifying some of this.

    I want to echo what sausageeater said about this thread now being in a no-flame zone. When Alfie posted his first post that has generated this reaction, it was in Hot Topics where there is more leaway in the types of posts. Now, it is in a No Flame Zone and we need to keep it that way.

    Thanks, all.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    It bothers me that people support the anti gay agenda by living their life as something they are not... or giving people the impression they are something they are not. It bothers me that people hate themselves so much they wont be themselves.

    It offends me because staying in the closet says to me that your sexuality is something to be ashamed of. It offends me that people tangle others in their self hatred such as wives and children....

    It annoys me when people who have chosen to stay in the closet say they do it because life is easier if you are straight...

    so thats a yes and a yes from me....
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    people have the right to live their lives as they choose, including closeted.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    It's all part of the process... in or out. I'm not going to be someone that's going to try to force my opinion on someone else... "live and let live." Just wished the gay community was so polarized on certain issues -- united we could make an unbelieveable force.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by flash729
    It's all part of the process... in or out. I'm not going to be someone that's going to try to force my opinion on someone else... "live and let live." Just wished the gay community was so polarized on certain issues -- united we could make an unbelieveable force.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I don't have a problem with a guy in the closet. But I do think it can be very sad. If a guy knows he is gay and pretends no to be, he can loose out so much.

    How are you ever going to have a meaningfull relationship with another gay if you are in the closet?

    Think of all the oppertunities you miss because gay guys think you are straight.

    One day when you finally come out, you will always regret the lost years.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by RenaissanceMan
    I'm one of those closet cases...although I never "pretend"...more like I simply don't mention anything that would qualify me as straight and rather sometimes I'll say/do something a bit suspect/gay...I'm simply not saying the words (much, I have come out to a select individual) for many reasons...and yes, fear is one of them. Why someone would find it bothersome or disappointing that I'm not out is offending to ME...lol.

    What is disappointing is that we live in a world where it's not always possible to easily be out and not destroy everything in your life. I might come out fully or partially if I have the need (a boyfriend)...right now, if I came out, I think most would not understand why...but if I had a boyfriend who I was serious about, that would change things quite a bit...of course I'd have to be quite sure.
    I have read and understood what you are saying.

    You say if you had a b/f you might consider comming out. Have you ever thought that if you were out, you almost certainly would have had a b/f by now?

    That is the problem with being in the closet, life passes you by.

    Like Soil says above, how do we unite with people that are not out.

    Just a thought!

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    there are many gays out there who by the standards of some of the posters here are closeted, but they do lead full, happy lives with a relationship. i am an example of just that. i'm sorry that i'm not "loud and proud", i just don't think that its everyone's business nor do i have the right to just run around telling everyone. if you want people to respect the fact that you are gay, you also have to respect what others believe as well. there are things about other people that we all could do without knowing. if someone has a problem with a subject/idea, then it is no one's place to force that upon them. being in the closet is not sad, its a choice. being in the closet does not mean that you are just letting life pass on by. if someone is happy with the choices that they have made for their lives, then who are you or anyone else to tell them otherwise. if you don't like it then fine, thats your choice, just like its mine and other's choice to be "closeted".

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    you know, it's funny.

    whenever I hear closeted men defend their right to stay in the closet, they all say these really odd things like those of us who are out are "Running around telling everyone" or we're "Shouting if from the rooftops" or we're "Loud and Proud".

    I'm just a guy. I'm gay. No, I dont' tell the people in line at the bank, but if it comes up in conversation, my BF is my BF, not my "friend" or "the guy I live with".

    when people ask me what I did over the weekend, I tell them that "My BF and I went to San Diego to hang out with friends" or "I went on a ride with the Queer Bikers of SoCal".

    that's not being "Loud and Proud". It's not being "Scared and Ashamed".
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    oh, and the title of this thread was "For OUT guys", but I notice that chilly willy and a few other closeted guys have answered the poll anyway. You know, I didn't answer that "For BI guys" poll there was a while ago.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    who the hell said i was "scared and ashamed"?

    i'm not. and i also tell people when it comes up in convo.

    my whole point is that gay people can't sit and bitch about wanting equality under the law, to stop being hated against, etc and then turn right around and bash other gays for their life choices. i've been dealing with that all my life because when some other gay men find out that I am gay, they talk shit because i apparently don't "fit the mold" of what a gay man should be because for the most part i am still closeted in some cases, cause i "walk, talk, act, dress, etc" like a straight man...

    its shit like that that can make it difficult for others to come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilly_willy
    who the hell said i was "scared and ashamed"?
    um.. nobody said that. I intentionally didn't mention any names at all.

    why? did I strike a nerve? (I'm always doing that.. bad soil...)
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    my whole point is that gay people can't sit and bitch about wanting equality under the law, to stop being hated against, etc and then turn right around and bash other gays for their life choices.
    yes we can. why should we be supportive of men who choose to stay in the closet when they aren't supportive of us?

    being in the closet is not sad, its a choice. being in the closet does not mean that you are just letting life pass on by
    its very sad and not being who you really are does mean you are letting life pass you by.

    its shit like that that can make it difficult for others to come out.
    it always seems to be someone else's fault when someone chooses to stay in the closet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sb
    it always seems to be someone else's fault when someone chooses to stay in the closet.

    you know, sb, you and I have come to blows SO many times in here... but lately, I find myself shocked that I've been nodding in agreement with SO many of the things you've been saying.

    either I hit my head harder on the pavement than I thought, or you're a robot impersonating sb.

    either way.. touche..
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    It's funny to read all of the responses on here... we've all known the fear of what lies outside of that infamous closet, and we all know how hard it is to take that step out... the fear.. the denial.. all that stuff..

    The thing is... out guys seem to forget how hard it was after they've been out for a while..I know, cus I'm guilty of it too... I used to hate out and loud gay guys who looked down upon me when I was in the closet... but now I'm one of them..

    And closeted guys... either go one way or another... they either force themselves to believe that they'll be happier staying in the closet because they're too scared to come out, (which I personally believe is cheating yourself of your true identity).. or they want to come out so badly, and eventually it'll come out sooner or later.

    The thing is... it's all individual choices.. I think living a lie, and (in some cases) getting married to a women is cheating yourself and definitely cheating your family... BUT that's YOUR choice, and I'm not going to try to change your mind, or be rude to you about it.

    I know everyone's situation is different... everyone has different loved ones who believe in different things.. but it all comes down to this... we all need eachother's support... we need out and loud gay people to fight for our rights... and show the world that we're not so bad after all.. and those who choose to live silently, well that's your decision and we should respect it...

    but if you choose to live like that... please don't go and get married and drag a women and a future family into a big bag of lies.. cus that's just selfish.. especially if you think you can get away with having flings with guys on the side... i think that's just cruel.

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    I think the FEAR of coming out is often greater than the REALITY of being out. Some definitely pay a greater price for being open than others. STill, I would never presume to tell anyone else that they must come out. There is frequently an arrogance or superiority that comes from being out, sort of like an ex-smoker. Personally, I can't ever imagine living my life hiding from friends and family, but I support anyone's choice.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by sb
    yes we can. why should we be supportive of men who choose to stay in the closet when they aren't supportive of us?



    its very sad and not being who you really are does mean you are letting life pass you by.



    it always seems to be someone else's fault when someone chooses to stay in the closet.
    no one is blaming anyone... it does make it hard to come out when other gays bash you for your own choices. and we are supportive "out" gays, what the hell does that mean? if i am fucking happy with my choices, i have a good job, and good partner, then how am i letting life just pass me by? please...lol...

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebrother
    we all need eachother's support... we need out and loud gay people to fight for our rights... and show the world that we're not so bad after all.. and those who choose to live silently, well that's your decision and we should respect it...

    ok.. (and you know how much I love you and this isn't anything other than me kinda sitting up and debating...) so what am I getting out of this?..

    you say we need each other's support, and I get that the closeted guys need is "Out and loud" people to fight for our rights, but what do I need from some guy who hides away and reaps the benefits without bringing anything to the table?

    What we need is more people on the front lines.. not more people in the fox hole hoping that we win.
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soilwork
    ok.. (and you know how much I love you and this isn't anything other than me kinda sitting up and debating...) so what am I getting out of this?..

    you say we need each other's support, and I get that the closeted guys need is "Out and loud" people to fight for our rights, but what do I need from some guy who hides away and reaps the benefits without bringing anything to the table?

    What we need is more people on the front lines.. not more people in the fox hole hoping that we win.

    who says that we aren't out there fighting for those same rights too? there are other ways of getting that shit done other than being "loud and proud".

    and how are you fighting? hell, you work for a gay porn company that promotes a false image of homosexuality, etc. LMFAO not to mention of fraternities...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by chilly_willy
    hell, you work for a gay porn company that promotes a false image of homosexuality, etc. LMFAO

    um.. what?

    I work for an adult film company that features solo men. Not seeing how that's a "False Image of homosexulaity". Not seeing how that's anything to do with homosexuality at all.. straight men jack-off too, you know.
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    and we are supportive "out" gays, what the hell does that mean?
    you are supportive how?... by pretending you don't exist... by treating who you are as something you should be ashamed of?...

    thanks for the support
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    Quote Originally Posted by sb
    you are supportive how?... by pretending you don't exist... by treating who you are as something you should be ashamed of?...

    thanks for the support
    i am not pretending that i don't exist nor am i ashamed of anything other than gay gay bashers, they don't deserve any support

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    I have to say that I NEVER tire of people who when debating with me decide to try to "low-blow" me by attacking what I do for a living. I'm quite proud of what I do for a living, and I'm proud of the quality of the work I do.

    Now.. what were we talking about?
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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    ur right, a persons personal life is just that, personal. being a senator has nothing to do with being gay and vice versa. being an actor has nothing to do with being gay (unless they draw on it for a role on the subject or if they are just good at faking it *wink*), etc. i think that outside of a drag queen performer, like Always said, being gay has nothing to do with someone's job or how they got into it.

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    Re: For OUT guys: Are you bothered or offended by closet cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soilwork
    ok.. (and you know how much I love you and this isn't anything other than me kinda sitting up and debating...) so what am I getting out of this?..

    you say we need each other's support, and I get that the closeted guys need is "Out and loud" people to fight for our rights, but what do I need from some guy who hides away and reaps the benefits without bringing anything to the table?

    What we need is more people on the front lines.. not more people in the fox hole hoping that we win.
    Hey..I agree...lol... I was just trying to be the buffer.. but like i said.. we should just respect their decision..

    Ok... now i just feel like a cop out and i'm sitting on the fence... grrr... damn you Soilwork for being so damn abrupt with everyone...

    How about I just agree that we need more people to fight the good fight.. but I also think we shouldn't feel we have to pressure people to do it.. cus it's gotta be something THEY want to do.. and they feel strongly for.

    Ahem... In addition... if you're gay, and you feel that we shouldn't be fighting for our rights... wtf is up with that?

    Oh btw.. Soilwork.. it's all good..i enjoy a good debate as much as the next guy... As long as I can punish you later.. k?

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