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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    I have a question. Is Trump obligated to sign?
    No. But not signing the bill would send a message.

    (To not sign the bill would also be political suicide.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    No. But not signing the bill would send a message.

    (To not sign the bill would also be political suicide.)
    I agree totally, but sadly believe his base would be faithful. This man will not bring out the best in anyone.
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    ^ Thanks, guys. I knew what it would mean if he didn't, but I didn't know if he had to. And I assume that it doesn't become law until he does. (No need to answer unless I'm wrong.)
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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    One day later, Trump is still blaming both sides.

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-says...205704177.html
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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    I have a question. Is Trump obligated to sign?



    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-congress...045720513.html
    No -- and it can become law without his signature; from Article I, Section 7:

    "If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law."

    (emphasis mine)

    So he can ignore it for ten days while Congress is in session, and let it become law.

    It's the flip side of what President Andrew Jackson called the "pocket veto".

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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    No -- and it can become law without his signature; from Article I, Section 7:

    "If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law."

    (emphasis mine)

    So he can ignore it for ten days while Congress is in session, and let it become law.

    It's the flip side of what President Andrew Jackson called the "pocket veto".
    It is not clear that provision is applicable to resolutions. Contrast Art I Sec. 7 (2) with 7 (3).

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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    It is not clear that provision is applicable to resolutions. Contrast Art I Sec. 7 (2) with 7 (3).
    It is also not clear that the president understands or abides the law. (No sarcasm intended.)
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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by ballcaphair View Post
    It is also not clear that the president understands or abides the law. (No sarcasm intended.)
    He can't abide by them or understand them when he doesn't even know what they are.
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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    No, the protesters are a tiny few protesting against law and order. The mass of people want the streets to be safe, and want the police to keep them so.

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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Do you really honestly believe in that statement?

    Just more dangerous out-of-control rhetoric and hysteria. You seem to have a penchant for it.

    It is made to seem as if this were a 'competition' for control of the public arena and who enforces the peace.

    You can either have the police maintaining public order and safety, or you can instead give over the streets to the whims of the mob, and the inevitable riots, violence, and looting that follows. It's a recipe for chaos and anarchy.

    Ironically, there would be no greater rallying call for MORE police powers from the American public than if those sentiments you expressed came to pass.
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    Respect deserves respect. Being disrespectful is ill, regarless the source.
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    Re: White Hate in Charlottesville, Virginia

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Not so sure about that -- it's possible, but not necessarily true. It is worrisome, though, because there's nothing clearly indicating what they mean, and I've met too many cops who have the attitude that they are little gods who "own" the territory they're assigned to.

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