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    What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    so that there are enough resources to go around ?

    And should the government reward people with no children lol


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    Re: What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    There's debate about whether there are enough resources to go around, when thinking solely of humans.

    But if you include the other species also dependent on the Earth, there is no debate that resources are lacking. Hence, the current human-caused mass extinction of species.

    Governments should reward negative population growth on this basis. They will not, obviously, because governments don't enact policy based on ethical imperatives, but instead on wealth-creation.
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    Japan and Korea should be rewarded for negative human population growth.
    China should be rewarded for introducing 1 child policy. Religious groups such as Catholics and pro life groups ... etc should be punished for encouraging population growth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Japan and Korea should be rewarded for negative human population growth.
    China should be rewarded for introducing 1 child policy. Religious groups such as Catholics and pro life groups ... etc should be punished for encouraging population growth.
    Maybe you could send Japan a Hallmark Thank-You card?

    Or make stern remarks online about Catholics?

    But sadly, there are no rewards and punishments to be meted out in reality.
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    The worst thing...is not energy depletion, economic collapse, conventional war, or the expansion of totalitarian governments. As terrible as these catastrophes would be for us, they can be repaired in a few generations. The one process now going on that will take millions of years to correct is loss of genetic and species diversity by the destruction of natural habitats. This is the folly our descendants are least likely to forgive us.--e.o. wilson

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    Re: What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    I'm not sure about the world as a whole, but I think that the population of mainland Britain should be reduced to about 5% of the current numbers. Maybe then the country would have enough space for the return of its previously indiginous wildlife.

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    100

    IMO....just saying

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    Quote Originally Posted by vacancy3 View Post
    100

    IMO....just saying
    100 Billion ?


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    One, myself. tbaft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    100 Billion ?
    Oh hell no....one hundred people total

    Maybe then the planet would stand a chance
    ....and the ozone
    ....and the animals
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    We've ruined this planet.....let the rapture come.....soon....pleeeeeez

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    Re: What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    Half a billion, as it was around 1500. Not more.

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    For me I'd be fine with like 10. Tops. (pun intended)

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    Re: What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    so that there are enough resources to go around ?

    And should the government reward people with no children lol
    Ideally people should consume much, much less...of the Earth's resources. Materialism needs to be kept in check.

    Note how many people are mesmerised/enslaved by the latest smart phone, or the latest car, or the latest television etc.

    In The West diabetes (11) has reached epidemic levels...people, over eating...gluttony leads to obesity.

    Human stock needs on going replacement to serve the needs of an ageing population.

    Wars, and disease epidemics have a well established habit of culling human life.

    Population transfers from one continent, to another have been part of human kind's determination to survive, and prosper since homo sapiens first emerged in East Africa.

    Man's ingenuity should not be underestimated when the survival of the fittest is being tested...daily.

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    Re: What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    govermints foolkees reward?
    govermints foolkees ans co alls a includees numba ofs world ova is?
    ans teys terepees?
    ans teys spoon feedars
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    anyway

    fun answa how many folkees fit in hospitals world disastar 1 day
    "in case astroid cover head wit ya hands tis a govermint tip fa survive"

    anyway 2

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    Re: What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    Considerably less than it is now. I'm doing my bit by not adding to the next generation.

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    Re: What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    We can manage with the current number if we wanted, but it would require a slightly lower living standard than we have now in the west along with a spread of resources.

    Personally I am fine with that, but I doubt most people would be - especially from the general attitude of American and British people. Both cultures are far to materialistic to make it work. There is also the issue that many people in developing nations want to have what we have now, and asking them to accept less in the future is also a difficult situation for us.

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    ^livins standard odd express ans ova cneturees
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Japan and Korea should be rewarded for negative human population growth.
    China should be rewarded for introducing 1 child policy. Religious groups such as Catholics and pro life groups ... etc should be punished for encouraging population growth.
    But your schema has gaping holes in it. How much punishment is due Africa for her relentless overpopulation, and India? And what would those punishments look like? Soylent Brown?

    And what of China's "success"? She is rapidly trying to figure out how to get away from her own policy due to the imbalance it has created in the generations. The aging population is out of kilter with the working generation, the same sort of skew that is dooming Social Security in the U.S. And then there is the aborting, both state-sanctioned and off-record, of the female infants in higher numbers. What reward will be appropriate for that policy? Perhaps granting MORE state intervention into the private lives of its citizens? Perhaps banning homosexuality so as to make up for the eruption of gay rights in the West? No?

    And then we are left with Japan and Germany vying for lowest birth rates. Let's ignore the real problem, which is material overconsumption in the industrialized world per capita. Let's just pat these two former Axis powers on the head. I'm sure neither country benefitted from near extermination of significant pockets of their citizens and neighbors in WWII. Let's ignore that a low birth rate IS its own reward in terms of lowered demand per capita of its citizens on resources. Perhaps allowing both countries to deploy their obviously brilliant birth control policies directly over a larger population would be an appropriate reward? What say we give back the Sudetenland to Germany and Manchukuo to Japan as prizes?

    This is fun.

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    Lol

    And the duggars should be beaten with a club......American white trash make me puke

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    shrink a human apees a 10cm ans get a real life modarn jurassic or modassic sumthang fa a fun time
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    Quote Originally Posted by vacancy3 View Post
    Lol

    And the duggars should be beaten with a club......American white trash make me puke
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    we NEED to implement a policy like china..only base it on income , if your COMBINED income is less than 50k a year..you can't breed. these people that have -12 dollars in the bank and 9 kids by 8 different dads make me want to scream.( and they get a check for EACH of them since all different )
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    The reward for low birth rate is , you have high standard of living.


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    Re: What is the Ideal Total population of the world ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    The reward for low birth rate is , you have high standard of living.
    Simplistic, and irrational...for your comment does not take into account the effect on social benefit systems from a rise in "dependency," that demonstrates a significant growth in virtually all countries in the 50+ population due to increasing life expectancy.

    More people living into old age is a particular challenge as public benefit systems tend to be pay-as-you-go, i.e. retirees' benefits are funded by payments into the system by current workers, whose own benefits will be funded by payments from future workers.

    It was politically easy to design such systems when workers were much more numerous than retirees, but now this ratio is changing, especially where very low fertility will shrink the working-age population while the older population expands.

    Asian countries such as China are now discussing encouraging the growth of families from one, to two off spring.

    European countries such as Germany, and Italy with negative growth in local human stock are relying on young immigrants to boost the expansion of the working population, which is why we are currently witnessing Germany's open arms to refugees arriving in their thousands from Syria, and Afghanistan.
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    No, all Japan and Germany need to do is,
    to import babies or young people from poor countries.
    Therefore high standard of living forever ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    No, all Japan and Germany need to do is,
    to import babies or young people from poor countries.
    Therefore high standard of living forever ...
    That's what Germany is doing...Japan is already encouraging the growth of larger Japanese families, with financial incentives.

    After WW11 most Euorpean countries encouraged stock replacement, due to war lsses with financial incentives to produce more children....and it worked admirably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    That's what Germany is doing...Japan is already encouraging the growth of larger Japanese families, with financial incentives.

    After WW11 most Euorpean countries encouraged stock replacement, due to war lsses with financial incentives to produce more children....and it worked admirably.
    World War 11? And here I thought it was WWII. LOL, just yanking your chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    No, all Japan and Germany need to do is,
    to import babies or young people from poor countries.
    Therefore high standard of living forever ...
    ooh change few words ans hole planet dumbass eiltes got way down size ans no gotta dump a owns pops downs crap hole again

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    If we really believe in natural selection it will all work out, when we over populate to far mankind will implode. We may all die off or just enough to level the playing field with nature again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    If we really believe in natural selection it will all work out, when we over populate to far mankind will implode. We may all die off or just enough to level the playing field with nature again.
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    I reward Australia and New Zealand for keeping the population low


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    Quote Originally Posted by jbown329 View Post
    This is interesting, however I find that we contradict our own science by placing man outside of nature.
    If man builds a dam, he is tampering with nature, if a beaver does it, why it's just nature.

    Is man just doing what comes "naturally"? If man just evolved like all other species, how can we fault him for doing what nature gave him the ability to do?
    If we believe that God put man in the garden and man screwed it up, then man has really dropped the ball,
    which is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    This is interesting, however I find that we contradict our own science by placing man outside of nature.
    If man builds a dam, he is tampering with nature, if a beaver does it, why it's just nature.
    Not just nature.


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    Want to reduce population growth?
    Let women get better educations in countries where they don't currently. Communities with higher levels of education for both sexes tending to have low or negative population growth.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    This is interesting, however I find that we contradict our own science by placing man outside of nature.
    If man builds a dam, he is tampering with nature, if a beaver does it, why it's just nature.

    Is man just doing what comes "naturally"? If man just evolved like all other species, how can we fault him for doing what nature gave him the ability to do?
    If we believe that God put man in the garden and man screwed it up, then man has really dropped the ball,
    which is it?
    When a beaver builds a dam, it doesn't cover miles upon miles of land. Look at Hoover Dam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    Want to reduce population growth?
    Let women get better educations in countries where they don't currently. Communities with higher levels of education for both sexes tending to have low or negative population growth.
    The problem is that smart people won't have any children anymore (viz the American Jews) and then everything that's solved is forfeit again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    The problem is that smart people won't have any children anymore (viz the American Jews) and then everything that's solved is forfeit again.
    You have missed the important point.
    If all the women are educated and in control of their lives, they won't have many children.


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    1,234,567,890

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbown329 View Post
    When a beaver builds a dam, it doesn't cover miles upon miles of land. Look at Hoover Dam.
    A beaver works within the capacity that nature allows, so does man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    A beaver works within the capacity that nature allows, so does man.
    I used to think that if other species like beavers had the same capacity as we do to alter and exploit the environment, they would be just as pernicious. But then I considered the altruistic example of the bonobo, and now I wonder if perhaps a vile nature is somewhat unique to humankind.
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    The worst thing...is not energy depletion, economic collapse, conventional war, or the expansion of totalitarian governments. As terrible as these catastrophes would be for us, they can be repaired in a few generations. The one process now going on that will take millions of years to correct is loss of genetic and species diversity by the destruction of natural habitats. This is the folly our descendants are least likely to forgive us.--e.o. wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    I used to think that if other species like beavers had the same capacity as we do to alter and exploit the environment, they would be just as pernicious. But then I considered the altruistic example of the bonobo, and now I wonder if perhaps a vile nature is somewhat unique to humankind.
    A beaver will alter the environment to survive, man will do it to exploit and dominate. Both work with the tools that nature gave them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    A beaver will alter the environment to survive, man will do it to exploit and dominate. Both work with the tools that nature gave them.
    So what conclusion does that lead you to draw about the ideal human population of the world?
    Kakapo
    The worst thing...is not energy depletion, economic collapse, conventional war, or the expansion of totalitarian governments. As terrible as these catastrophes would be for us, they can be repaired in a few generations. The one process now going on that will take millions of years to correct is loss of genetic and species diversity by the destruction of natural habitats. This is the folly our descendants are least likely to forgive us.--e.o. wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    So what conclusion does that lead you to draw about the ideal human population of the world?
    To me there is no ideal, when we outgrow our habitat some or all of us will die. Man is self destructive by nature, we can try to correct our course, but we delay our destiny.

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    To me there is no ideal, when we outgrow our habitat some or all of us will die. Man is self destructive by nature, we can try to correct our course, but we delay our destiny.
    A friend shares your view. I disagree with it because the suffering we inflict, and should avoid, is an important ethical issue for me. We have the means to control our population and diminish our harms. Even if it's our destiny to perish, we ought to perish in the least destructive way possible.
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    ...................... Even if it's our destiny to perish, we ought to perish in the least destructive way possible.
    Or go out in a burning flame of glory.
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    Or go out in a burning flame of glory.
    This is the sort of narcissistic juvenile thrill that sustains all sorts of repugnant mayhem. Ugh.

    I am shocked, shocked, hearing such undignified talk coming from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    To me there is no ideal, when we outgrow our habitat some or all of us will die. Man is self destructive by nature, we can try to correct our course, but we delay our destiny.
    Our destiny is the stars. To get there, it behooves us to take care of our base of operations, this planet.

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    Or go out in a burning flame of glory.
    A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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    Our destiny is the stars. To get there, it behooves us to take care of our base of operations, this planet.
    To boldly go where no man has gone before...........
    A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Our destiny is the stars. To get there, it behooves us to take care of our base of operations, this planet.
    I am just feeling pessimistic right know, I see too much suffering and too little intervention. Most of the time in our history the ruthless and cruel rise to power and slaughter the helpless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    I am just feeling pessimistic right know, I see too much suffering and too little intervention. Most of the time in our history the ruthless and cruel rise to power and slaughter the helpless.
    if it at simple but
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