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    Are we all bigots?

    Watching Morgan Freeman's Through the Wormhole right now. This episode is named "Are we all bigots?"

    It brought up a study done by Josh Correll, a social psychologist who's been doing research on shooter's choice.

    Here are some interesting reads about his ongoing study.

    http://magazine.uchicago.edu/0778/in...s_choice.shtml

    http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/bern...pdf/cpjw07.pdf

    http://thesocietypages.org/socimages...uld-you-shoot/

    One thing that stands out is that black cops are subconsciously showing the same racial bias as white cops.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    That's not really new information. You can see the same thing in children's behavior re;toy preferences and race, toy preferences and gender, et cetera. Don't remember the names of the studies and my feet are too damn cold at the moment for me to care about hunting them up but they were from the 80's and 90's. It's one reason why "I can't be -----, I'm ---------" is a hell of a cop-out, and not a very good one at that. Y'don't need to be something to perpetuate it, even if only subconsciously. Negative beliefs have a nasty habit of sinking in and sticking where you least expect it.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Yes we all are, at least a little bit. Bigotry also doesn't have to be about race. I'm assuming you already know that though.

    You can be bigoted towards teenagers, introverts, extroverts, famous people, poor people, animals, people that aren't popular at your school, people that don't wear the same clothes you do, etc, etc.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    I think he's talking about socially encouraged bigotry. The things that leak down for everyone without anyone really noticing how entrenched they are. Like the study where little black kids (girls in particular) preferred white dolls. Or people marketing that supposed-to-be-beige band-aid 'flesh colored', as an example. One thing is codified as 'normal', the other is left by the wayside. (although the band-aid thing has changed a bit in recent years). Can probably go on with examples for hours.

    It isn't quite the same thing as someone being biased against your shirt. Though there is poor people's rules that encode similar bias that also includes clothing choices and oh god do they suck.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    I think he's talking about socially encouraged bigotry. The things that leak down for everyone without anyone really noticing how entrenched they are. Like the study where little black kids (girls in particular) preferred white dolls. Or people marketing that supposed-to-be-beige band-aid 'flesh colored', as an example. One thing is codified as 'normal', the other is left by the wayside. (although the band-aid thing has changed a bit in recent years). Can probably go on with examples for hours.

    It isn't quite the same thing as someone being biased against your shirt. Though there is poor people's rules that encode similar bias that also includes clothing choices and oh god do they suck.
    It's a two way street I guess. Commercials, advertising, shows, social groups, do tend towards bigotry, but at the same time the masses a lot of the time, don't fight against it. In a way we're not evolved enough to not verbally spit at someone when they have an opinion that doesn't align with ours, generalization of course. So that makes people fearful to fight against the grain. And the black females who like the white dolls don't even know consciously that they have been brainwashed by society.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Eh, I'm calling bullshit. If we 'weren't evolved enough to notice' we wouldn't be discussing it. Just because something takes thought doesn't mean humanity isn't capable of it.

    Edited to add; And the masses do notice. Been arguing about such things for centuries upon centuries in one form or another.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Eh, I'm calling bullshit. If we 'weren't evolved enough to notice' we wouldn't be discussing it. Just because something takes thought doesn't mean humanity isn't capable of it.
    Fair enough.

    I also wrote the comment when I had to pee so I might not have been thinking straight. LOL.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by 88Jockstraps View Post
    Fair enough.

    I also wrote the comment when I had to pee so I might not have been thinking straight. LOL.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    I can't be racist, I'm mixed race...


    This cop out is as terrible as the


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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    I can't be racist, I'm mixed race...


    This cop out is as terrible as the


    I'm not anti-gay, I have gay friends, etc...
    I dunno, There's a bit of a difference. One is pissing on your own foot, the other is having someone piss on you. Either way you're getting pissed on, so I wouldn't say the guy who's straight who has gay friends has it as bad as Mr Covered-In-Urine. Because only one person is getting drenched. I'm fairly certain Mr I Have Gay Friends has more opportunities to discriminate in the wider world because he has a broader access to the wider world.

    *I should also clarify I called it a cop-out not because 'They do it too!" but because it's a cop-out on having to think and consider your actions. Once that phrase slips past someone's lips you know their brain has shut down.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    I think there is a difference between perception and bigotry.

    You might see someone and make a snap judgement, but if you realise that that's what it is, a snap, and don't express it or act on it in any way is it bigotry?
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    I get VERY tired of hearing that word. It means nothing.

    The sheer amount of times I hear that word parrotted and trotted out by JUBbers, especially over in CE&P, begins to tell me it's a word based on ideological beliefs instead of rational thought.

    'Bigot' has become to the ideological left what 'Freedom' was to the ideological right - a word that is thrown out to encompass anything yet means nothing, and which is used to negate arguments and justify everything.

    Want to know what *I* translate it to when I hear it being used?

    Bigot = "Someone who disagrees with what I say"


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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    big·ot
    ˈbiɡət/
    noun
    a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
    synonyms: chauvinist, partisan, sectarian

    Most people apparently don't understand the definition.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    You make my point for me rareboy. It is all a matter of perspective and viewpoint.

    I could go onto a far-right Christian forum and people could quite legitimately and reasonably call the entire gay community 'bigots'. I could go onto an Islamic jihadist website and they could call everyone of us 'bigots'.

    What I find telling is, on JUB, it's out-of-control usage over every other word or phrase to describe a person with political or religious differences to the established liberal left.

    Why and how did this phenomenon arise? Why do so many people take a single word and use it as a pejorative to describe a complex nuanced situation?

    Let us instead say:

    "There are people who have hardline Christian evangelist views which lead them to reject homosexuality based on scripture. They are very closed-minded about tolerating anything outside their own world."

    "There are people who have socially right-wing political opinions which lead them to reject homosexuality based on ideology. They are very closed-minded about social progressiveness outside of their world."

    'bigot''s usage is becoming exactly the same as how the word 'racist' is becoming used - i.e. words that have been co-opted by the ideological far-left and are used as a convenient method of shutting down debate and slandering people, without ever having to debate or rationalise.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    I think you all are missing the point. The research shows that the bias exists at the subconscious level. One can consciously tell oneself to not be bigoted all one wants. One has no control over one's subconscious.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    Watching Morgan Freeman's Through the Wormhole right now. This episode is named "Are we all bigots?"
    I really wouldn't go to town on Morgan Freeman's wormhole. Not before he finishes his antiparasitic treatment, at any rate.

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    "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions"

    Nothing wrong with intolerant if the opinions are wrong.


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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    This difficulty is that such a large percentage of black men do commit crime. A third of black men spend time in the penitentiary. Many black men stay out of trouble and away from police notice. But a large percentage of the black men who come into contact with police in some neighborhoods, and a policeman spends all his time dealing with them. It must be very difficult for a policeman--either black or white--to avoid seeing a black man as a probable criminal, and even more so if he is running away or giving the policeman a bad time. Of course it is wrong and the police should be trained to avoid that thinking to the extent possible. But the police are human, not super human.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    big·ot
    ˈbiɡət/
    noun
    a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
    synonyms: chauvinist, partisan, sectarian

    Most people apparently don't understand the definition.
    The op specifically asked about subconscious bias with regards to race. The word bigot was quite apropos. There's also the general social context of a word which you've totally ignored. 'Bigot' isn't used merely for differing opinions these days, hasn't been for several decades. Well, unless you're talking to Ben up there. Dictionaries take ages to catch up when they include social nuances to definitions.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    big·ot
    ˈbiɡət/
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    a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    "don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
    synonyms: chauvinist, partisan, sectarian

    Most people apparently don't understand the definition.
    You should know. I invariably am the recipient of you intolerance of my opinions. I will in the future, no doubt , have many occasions, upon which to remind you of this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cormac135 View Post
    I like to think i'm not.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChickenGuy View Post
    Why do so many people take a single word and use it as a pejorative to describe a complex nuanced situation?

    Let us instead say:

    "There are people who have hardline Christian evangelist views which lead them to reject homosexuality based on scripture. They are very closed-minded about tolerating anything outside their own world."

    "There are people who have socially right-wing political opinions which lead them to reject homosexuality based on ideology. They are very closed-minded about social progressiveness outside of their world."

    'bigot''s usage is becoming exactly the same as how the word 'racist' is becoming used - i.e. words that have been co-opted by the ideological far-left and are used as a convenient method of shutting down debate and slandering people, without ever having to debate or rationalise.
    Oh, I see. So "close-minded" should become the new "bigot". Just like "mentally challenged" became the new "retarded", and "little people" the new "midget".

    Yeah, that'll change things.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    ,o
    You should know. I invariably am the recipient of you intolerance of my opinions. I will in the future, no doubt , have many occasions, upon which to remind you of this post.


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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Everyone is free speech ..

    if it's not about their own shit.

    must have to do something about it

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    ,o
    You should know. I invariably am the recipient of you intolerance of my opinions. I will in the future, no doubt , have many occasions, upon which to remind you of this post.
    Oh Bullshit.

    We all have to tolerate your right wing reactionary positions and racist nonsense daily here on JUB.

    Your problem is that like all your fellow travellers, you hate being called out on it.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    The op specifically asked about subconscious bias with regards to race. The word bigot was quite apropos. There's also the general social context of a word which you've totally ignored. 'Bigot' isn't used merely for differing opinions these days, hasn't been for several decades. Well, unless you're talking to Ben up there. Dictionaries take ages to catch up when they include social nuances to definitions.
    It was not apropos. Bigotry is not subconscious bias toward or against tribes

    And excuse the incorrect use of bigotry all you want. The fact is, based on its root origin, actual definition and use over centuries ....it is not the right term to use to describe racism. Just because the poorly educated decide that it now means something else does not excuse using it to describe possible innate behavioural responses.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Oh Bullshit.

    We all have to tolerate your right wing reactionary positions and racist nonsense daily here on JUB.

    Your problem is that like all your fellow travellers, you hate being called out on it.
    This is an example of you tolerance? Like all bigots, you don't like being called out on your bigotry.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Oh for fuck's sake Benvolio.

    People tolerated Hitler and look how that turned out for Europe.

    I have no problem with being branded a liberal bigot if it means that I'm on the side of the angels. And I'll have no problem continuing to push back against the narrow minded and exclusionary policies that you spout.

    Bring it.

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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    I think you all are missing the point. The research shows that the bias exists at the subconscious level. One can consciously tell oneself to not be bigoted all one wants. One has no control over one's subconscious.
    I think this is non-sense and only serves to try to rationalize ones "bigotry" or racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    I think this is non-sense and only serves to try to rationalize ones "bigotry" or racism.
    Why do you think the research is nonsense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    Why do you think the research is nonsense?
    Most social research is conducted to support some kind of agenda. Any research can be designed to support an agenda or a point of view. If it does not support the conductors point of view, there is always the shredder.

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    I see no attempt by the researchers in question to deal with the fact that a black man is statistically more likely to be involved in violent crime than a white. If he appears to be going for a gun, a black is statistically more likely to be doing so than a white. Blacks are only 15% of people but comity more than half the violent crime. No attempt is made to deal with the greater hostility young blacks have to the cops than do whites. As liberals the researchers adhere to the dogma that it it only a stereotype-- not a statistical probability.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Quote Originally Posted by MakeDigitalLove View Post
    I think this is non-sense and only serves to try to rationalize ones "bigotry" or racism.
    Like every other form of learning, the various bits and bobs your subconscious picks up is due to repetition. Info doesn't need to be accurate to be repeated and there's no shortage of tropes people get bombarded with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    As liberals the researchers adhere to the dogma that it it only a stereotype-- not a statistical probability.
    The problem here isn't liberals, it is racists who try to hide their racism under statistics.

    Why do you think the research is nonsense?
    I already said why. It tries to rationalize or excuse "bigotry" and/or racism. Its to make the average joe who makes a racist comment think to himself "It's OK, we're all a little bit racist. It is out of my control."
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    It was not apropos. Bigotry is not subconscious bias toward or against tribes

    And excuse the incorrect use of bigotry all you want. The fact is, based on its root origin, actual definition and use over centuries ....it is not the right term to use to describe racism. Just because the poorly educated decide that it now means something else does not excuse using it to describe possible innate behavioural responses.
    Did someone else describe it as an an innate response or did you pick that word because of the social connotations when you read things like pairing the words 'no control' with 'subconscious'? Because 'no control' plus 'subconcious' doesn't equal innate, or inborn, if you prefer. The root origin of most of English isn't the same as current definitions, particularly when you remember English is a translated hodgepodge. Subconscious is created, not innate. I think you'd be unpleasantly shocked at the list of words that have morphed and changed over the years, some of them frighteningly quick.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    Regarding the rest of the thread I'll also rush in to point out that just because you can't 'turn something off' at will doesn't mean it is your choice to be influenced by it*. Black and white thinking, no pun intended, it's an unfortunate thing. And that's one reason why social connotations to words matter. Also one reason some language translations are funny as hell and why some words can't be translated, or have to be translated into paragraphs with the addendum "we think we got this, but if not, our bad!" Most people who're familiar with more than one language recognize the action of what happens when most of a people have a connotation for specific words. I mean, my social graces tend toward the below-par, half of it language wise due to connotations of words. Words you wouldn't normally say have connotations, turns out the damn things are loaded. If I can recognize languages morphology and usually not get too pissy about it then so can the rest of you schlubs. N'I mean schlubs in the most affectionate manner possible.

    *theres a very amusing short bit of poem speaking on the concept of learned things and subconscious, I'll try and dig it up.
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    Re: Are we all bigots?

    ^ Good example: Try thinking of all the words which refer to something that is really, really good.

    Wonderful, terrific, marvelous, awesome, great, phenomenal, incredible, sensational, fantastic, fabulous, tremendous...ARE ALL WORDS WHICH ORIGINALLY MEANT SOMETHING ELSE.

    Terrific used to mean something like "capable of evoking terror."

    Superb, and maybe excellent and outstanding are among the very few words that didn't mean something else.

    Now I'm actually somewhat confused on what the "exact" intended meaning of BIGOT is...I've always thought of it as a sort of "umbrella word" which covers more territory than "racist" which I've always thought to be included as one of the meanings of the word. Both words though, in my mind, are limited to feelings about PEOPLE.

    I don't think that somebody can be "bigoted" against tabby cats, cockroaches, Yorkshire terriers, or pigeons.
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    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...an-minorities/

    It is enlightening when actual statistics are cited, and facts revealed that shed more light on police stop, and frisk policies.

    I quote:

    White People Stopped By New York Police Are More Likely To Have Guns Or Drugs Than Minorities
    White New Yorkers make up a small minority of stop-and-frisks, which were 84 percent black and Latino residents. Despite this much higher number of minorities deemed suspicious by police, the likelihood that stopping an African American would find a weapon was half the likelihood of finding one on a white person.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-..._b_883310.html

    I quote:

    They point out that although Whites and African Americans use and sell drugs at about the same rates, Black men in 2003 were almost 12 times as likely to go to prison as White men. Although Black people are 12 percent of the population and 14 percent of drug users, according to Mauer and Cole, they comprise 34 percent of those arrested for drug offenses and 45 percent of those incarcerated in state prisons for such offenses.

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    The sub conscious is invariably part of ones frequent decision making process...however, free will also enables the human being to transform ones early life experiences, that have shaped ones understandings, into making life affirming decisions that serve the common good...for to assume that all ones decisions remain buried in a concrete well of learned behavior, immovable and unchangeable is to consider homo sapiens no more than a prisoner of circumstance dictated too by ones early life experiences....a robot fashioned by ones parents, and school teachers unable, and incapable of change the result of not responding to life's daily teaching lessons inviting each of us to continue learning until death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    I think you all are missing the point. The research shows that the bias exists at the subconscious level. One can consciously tell oneself to not be bigoted all one wants. One has no control over one's subconscious.

    To assume this to believe that homo sapiens is incapable of change, the result of ones early life brainwashing...transformation of self is a process of self discovery, enabled by ones daily life experiences....until ones death....the human being at 18 years thinks, and behaves differently from the human person at forty, or sixty, or eighty the result of learning that ones daily life experiences continue to teach lessons, that will improve ones life....

    Let's not condemn human life to incarceration in a programmed cell of behavior fashioned in ones very early life.
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    The purpose of the stop and frisk ( discussed in the think progress account) is to deter the carrying of guns and contraband. It appears to work better among blacks and Hispanics. And the police are more accurate in judging suspicious behavior among whites. Neither consideration suggests a need to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
    The purpose of the stop and frisk ( discussed in the think progress account) is to deter the carrying of guns and contraband. It appears to work better among blacks and Hispanics. And the police are more accurate in judging suspicious behavior among whites. Neither consideration suggests a need to change.
    The published statistics paint a radically different picture from one that you espouse to be correct...I should not need to repeat my post, for the facts speak clearly:
    White People Stopped By New York Police Are More Likely To Have Guns Or Drugs Than Minorities.

    White New Yorkers make up a small minority of stop-and-frisks, which were 84 percent black and Latino residents. Despite this much higher number of minorities deemed suspicious by police, the likelihood that stopping an African American would find a weapon was half the likelihood of finding one on a white person.
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...an-minorities/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The published statistics paint a radically different picture from one that you espouse to be correct...I should not need to repeat my post, for the facts speak clearly:


    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...an-minorities/
    No. The 'facts' do not speak clearly in your link/quotes.

    The article does not address the types or legality of the 'weapons' found – permits to own, carry, conceal, and/or legally purchased or 'hot'/stolen?

    Nor does the article address the types of drugs found, or the quantity of drugs found – intent to sell – felony – misdemeanour – simply not worth the paperwork?

    The article/information is too vague to be of any value. She doesn't even mention time of day/night, or location. I'm left wondering if it is purposely misleading.

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    (referring to my own Post #39) Actually, "outstanding" ALSO means something else, entirely unrelated to quality or desirability - such as "accounts receivable" that are still outstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    I think you all are missing the point. The research shows that the bias exists at the subconscious level. One can consciously tell oneself to not be bigoted all one wants. One has no control over one's subconscious.
    You imply that subconscious kneejerk reactions or prejudgments are not entirely the result of trained and conditioned responses generated by one's peers, upbringing, culture and media.

    If you could demonstrate subconscious, racially universal reactions of apprehension to black men, you wouldn't demonstrate that being afraid or suspicious of black men is simply natural. You would only demonstrate that we've all been raised and taught that they are more dangerous somehow. And in the case of those of us who are Americans, we mostly certainly have lived all our lives steeped in that message to the point where it very easily becomes a subconsciously conditioned response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahaih View Post
    No. The 'facts' do not speak clearly in your link/quotes.

    The article does not address the types or legality of the 'weapons' found – permits to own, carry, conceal, and/or legally purchased or 'hot'/stolen?

    Nor does the article address the types of drugs found, or the quantity of drugs found – intent to sell – felony – misdemeanour – simply not worth the paperwork?

    The article/information is too vague to be of any value. She doesn't even mention time of day/night, or location. I'm left wondering if it is purposely misleading.
    That you say so....duly noted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xbuzzerx View Post
    You imply that subconscious kneejerk reactions or prejudgments are not entirely the result of trained and conditioned responses generated by one's peers, upbringing, culture and media.

    If you could demonstrate subconscious, racially universal reactions of apprehension to black men, you wouldn't demonstrate that being afraid or suspicious of black men is simply natural. You would only demonstrate that we've all been raised and taught that they are more dangerous somehow. And in the case of those of us who are Americans, we mostly certainly have lived all our lives steeped in that message to the point where it very easily becomes a subconsciously conditioned response.
    It is more likely the reactions of the police are conditioned by their experience in dealing with criminals on a daily basis.

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