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    Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    This question is probably going to strike some people as strange, and will definitely create a "wtf?" moment. It is kind of a pointless question, but I am curious. I am very clearly ethnically and racially aware, in part because I have had to be, because due to my appearance, I can't go a week without someone asking me what my ethnicity is, or making assumptions or even playing "Let's guess his ethnicity until we get it right!" (rarely do they ever).

    It is both flattering at times but also annoying.

    I am, mostly, of Southern European descent. Mostly Sicilian and Portuguese. I get mistaken, as I've said multiple times in various conversations where my appearance gets brought up, very often for Lebanese, Armenian, Turkish and the like. Yet I think I look very typically Sicilian or southern Italian. I am surprised Americans do not see it.

    I generally can tell apart people by country, but not always. I notice that there are some people who just look "Mediterranean" and you wouldn't know if they were from Spain, or from Italy, or from Greece, or from Lebanon, Portugal, Syria, etc. I do not think I am one of those people who is that ambiguous. But then there are other people I think if not regionally, can be distinguished ethnically.

    So my question is, can you generally tell apart Southern Europeans from one another (Spanish versus Greek versus Italian and Sicilian) and if so, can you tell Southern Europeans from people like Lebanese, Syrians, Armenians, etc?

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    I can usually tell Middle Easterners and Europeans apart. Distinguishing between individual National groups is not something I can do. Unless of course you mean among Arabs in which case I'm pretty sure I can tell the difference between Sudanese, Egyptian, Saudis, and Syrians.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    I feel its a difficult thing to answer, because normally if I am guessing about someone's ethnicity I am probably talking to them and accent or language will typically give it away (I guess this is were its easier for a European to play these games, as typically I am meeting people from these countries and thus they retain an accent rather than 2nd+ generation immigrants).

    I know what you mean by just standard Med look, but it also breaks down - I can normally get it right for instance in guessing if someone is Spanish, for reasons I don't fully understand. I also cannot think of many times when I would confuse say an Italian with someone from Lebanon (as you say Sicilian can be a bit different due to ethnic history of the island).

    On the whole though - I probably do mentally guess at where people are from, but I just leave it for them to tell me if it comes up (I know from personal experience how frustrating it can be constantly asked about your ethnicity).

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    I can usually tell Middle Easterners and Europeans apart. Distinguishing between individual National groups is not something I can do. Unless of course you mean among Arabs in which case I'm pretty sure I can tell the difference between Sudanese, Egyptian, Saudis, and Syrians.

    Can you tell Spanish, Greek, Sicilian, northern Italian etc apart from one another?

    I can sometimes but not always. I think there is a unique set of appearances common to Sicily that I can usually pick out. The same is also true for me of Portuguese. Maybe because I am both of these. I also think some Greeks look Slavic (i.e. like Ukrainians, Russians, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    I also cannot think of many times when I would confuse say an Italian with someone from Lebanon (as you say Sicilian can be a bit different due to ethnic history of the island).
    What is interesting is most people think Sicilians and Greeks look alike, but I don't think so, outside for some of the Aegean islands. Most Greeks here are from northern and central mainland Greece and I think they look more Balkan or Slavic.

    In the UK you probably see more people from Cyprus than Greece, and Cypriots would be more easily confused for Sicilians.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Northern Italians look like Central Europeans to me. (This is off subject and is me literally ignoring your direct question, do you ever find that Slavs look vaguely Asiatic? There's genetic reason for this a huge amount of Slavic maternal lineage is East Asian--going back to maybe two or three women in 2000s BCE.)
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    Northern Italians look like Central Europeans to me. (This is off subject and is me literally ignoring your direct question, do you ever find that Slavs look vaguely Asiatic? There's genetic reason for this a huge amount of Slavic maternal lineage is East Asian--going back to maybe two or three women in 2000s BCE.)
    Yes.
    I have seen darker Russians, who have completely Slavic features (the smaller eyes, high cheekbones) and I have thought they might have been Mexicans with predominant European ancestry. I have also seen blonde, blue eyed mestizos who I thought might have been Russian or Finnish.

    By the way, the guy in my avatar photo is Greek. I think he looks Spanish.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    I'd not have thought your avi was Greek. My mental image of Greek men is darker and with broader features.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    I'd not have thought your avi was Greek. My mental image of Greek men is darker and with broader features.
    I think he looks very Greek.


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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    I think he looks very Greek.

    I would cast him to play an ancient Greek in a movie. But I honestly would think he was from Milan.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    I would cast him to play an ancient Greek in a movie. But I honestly would think he was from Milan.
    His family is from Crete.

    It depends on where the Greeks you meet are from, I suspect. In the north, they are lighter. In the islands they are darker. What is interesting is, a lot of Greeks are robust -- small eyes, high cheekbones, but dark, a combination that in the US many would mistake as Mexican or part Native American. This might be due to Turkish influence, as Turks are themselves partially Central Asian (Turkic languages are part of a family called Altaic, as is Korean) and as you know, Native Americans came from Asia originally.

    Out of curiosity what would you think I was if you did not know?

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    His family is from Crete.

    It depends on where the Greeks you meet are from, I suspect. In the north, they are lighter. In the islands they are darker. What is interesting is, a lot of Greeks are robust -- small eyes, high cheekbones, but dark, a combination that in the US many would mistake as Mexican or part Native American. This might be due to Turkish influence, as Turks are themselves partially Central Asian (Turkic languages are part of a family called Altaic, as is Korean) and as you know, Native Americans came from Asia originally.

    Out of curiosity what would you think I was if you did not know?
    Your pic isn't showing right now, but I've seen your sexy self before. Honestly, you look like every Jewish second cousin I have. Though if you told me you were Cuban I'd believe.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    Your pic isn't showing right now, but I've seen your sexy self before. Honestly, you look like every Jewish second cousin I have.
    This goes back to something else I was going to say. When I do mistake Sicilians for other groups or others for Sicilian, it's almost always Jews. There is a long tradition in Hollywood of Italian American (mostly Sicilian or people from places nearby on the mainland, like Calabria) and Jewish Americans portraying one another's roles. And the Italians and Jews in New York and Chicago often intermarried.. people of that mix are jokingly called "pizza bagels".

    Recent genetic studies have in fact found that Ashkenazi Jews, Sicilians, and people from Malta are all very similar ancestrally. Why that is, I couldn't say, but they are.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    This goes back to something else I was going to say. When I do mistake Sicilians for other groups or others for Sicilian, it's almost always Jews. There is a long tradition in Hollywood of Italian American (mostly Sicilian or people from places nearby on the mainland, like Calabria) and Jewish Americans portraying one another's roles. And the Italians and Jews in New York and Chicago often intermarried.. people of that mix are jokingly called "pizza bagels".

    Recent genetic studies have in fact found that Ashkenazi Jews, Sicilians, and people from Malta are all very similar ancestrally. Why that is, I couldn't say, but they are.
    People from Malta are Semites. Ashkenazim are Semites. Sicily was conquered by Arabs during the early Caliphate. Sicily actually has a very interesting gene structure Sicilians actually have huge amounts of Subsaharan African DNA from either the Roman period or the Arab period, the old Italic substrate, and Semitic admixture either from the Arab period or from the ancient Jewish population.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    On Jews: Ashkenazim and Sephardim are still more closely related to each other than they are to their host populations though gene flow is real.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    People from Malta are Semites. Ashkenazim are Semites. Sicily was conquered by Arabs during the early Caliphate. Sicily actually has a very interesting gene structure Sicilians actually have huge amounts of Subsaharan African DNA from either the Roman period or the Arab period, the old Italic substrate, and Semitic admixture either from the Arab period or from the ancient Jewish population.
    Sicilians don't have significant Sub-Saharan ancestry, according to modern genetic tests. I think it's something like 70% "Neolithic" European (basically prehistoric migration out of the Near East), 20% recent Semitic (Phoenician?), 10% Indo-European (from North Europe, originally from the Russian steppes). Sicilians have amongst the least Indo-European and otherwise Northern European affinity in all of Europe. It has also been shown that Greeks from Crete are similar to Sicilians.

    An interesting question is Greeks. I know that Greece is basically a constructed nation, and that a lot of modern Greece was once Slavicized, Bulgarian land, Albanian majority in some places (Arvanites), and then migrants from Asia Minor called Anatolian and Pontic Greeks. I suspect despite Sicilians having Greek ancestry too, modern Greeks are a big hodge podge of Slavic, Albanian, Anatolian, Balkan... a big Eastern European mix.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    Sicilians don't have significant Sub-Saharan ancestry, according to modern genetic tests. I think it's something like 70% "Neolithic" European (basically prehistoric migration out of the Near East), 20% recent Semitic (Phoenician?), 10% Indo-European (from North Europe, originally from the Russian steppes). Sicilians have amongst the least Indo-European and otherwise Northern European affinity in all of Europe. It has also been shown that Greeks from Crete are similar to Sicilians.

    An interesting question is Greeks. I know that Greece is basically a constructed nation, and that a lot of modern Greece was once Slavicized, Bulgarian land, Albanian majority in some places (Arvanites), and then migrants from Asia Minor called Anatolian and Pontic Greeks. I suspect despite Sicilians having Greek ancestry too, modern Greeks are a big hodge podge of Slavic, Albanian, Anatolian, Balkan... a big Eastern European mix.
    I think we mean different things by significant/huge. Sicilians are not as sub-saharan as African Americans are Northern European. But they are more sub-saharan than any other population in Europe. I'd also add that not every study has reproduced close affinity with Ashkenazim though the semitic legacy in Sicily is undeniable.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    I think we mean different things by significant/huge. Sicilians are not as sub-saharan as African Americans are Northern European. But they are more sub-saharan than any other population in Europe. I'd also add that not every study has reproduced close affinity with Ashkenazim though the semitic legacy in Sicily is undeniable.
    The actual text I'm thinking of says minor I believe, but still lists Sicilians as the population in Europe withh greatest affinity to black Africa. (The same text interestingly posits that the Turks might be more European than is generally assumed. )
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    I think we mean different things by significant/huge. Sicilians are not as sub-saharan as African Americans are Northern European. But they are more sub-saharan than any other population in Europe. I'd also add that not every study has reproduced close affinity with Ashkenazim though the semitic legacy in Sicily is undeniable.
    Recent studies have suggested (as it would make sense given their role in the slave trade and their colonies) that there is more Sub-Saharan ancestry in Portuguese than in Sicily. Something like 1-2% in Sicilians, versus 3-4% in Portuguese. Also about Semitic in Sicily, it should be higher in the western half of the island rather than the east.

    What do you make of Greeks? I am curious. I personally do not think there is a coherent, genetically "Greek" population and modern Greeks are just a bunch of people who were Hellenized culturally over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    Recent studies have suggested (as it would make sense given their role in the slave trade and their colonies) that there is more Sub-Saharan ancestry in Portuguese than in Sicily. Something like 1-2% in Sicilians, versus 3-4% in Portuguese. Also about Semitic in Sicily, it should be higher in the western half of the island rather than the east.

    What do you make of Greeks? I am curious. I personally do not think there is a coherent, genetically "Greek" population and modern Greeks are just a bunch of people who were Hellenized culturally over time.
    My understanding is that trying to map Greeks genetically is a bit like trying to map Arabs genetically. Too much gene flow from outside and the initial populations were too diverse. I can believe the Portuguese thing. The little children at Fatima, I'm a Catholic, forgive me, scarcely look European--by which thing I mean white.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    I think he looks very Greek.

    Yes he does and very cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    My understanding is that trying to map Greeks genetically is a bit like trying to map Arabs genetically. Too much gene flow from outside and the initial populations were too diverse. I can believe the Portuguese thing. The little children at Fatima, I'm a Catholic, forgive me, scarcely look European--by which thing I mean white.
    Yes, I agree. My understanding of Greek genetics is there is no cline, no pattern and no coherency. They are literally a mixture. Northern Greeks are basically Balkan Slavs, and people from Crete basically like southern Italians, Greeks from Anatolia are Anatolians who speak Greek more or less etc.

    How much Semitic ancestry do you think Sicilians have?
    Last edited by virulentpeach; March 20th, 2015 at 11:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    Yes, I agree. My understanding of Greek genetics is there is no cline, no pattern and no coherency. They are literally a mixture. Northern Greeks are basically Balkan Slavs, and people from Crete basically like southern Italians, Greeks from Anatolia are Anatolians who speak Greek more or less etc.

    How much Semitic ancestry do you think Sicilians have?
    You are making me reach far back in my mind, but I think I've seen numbers as high as twenty percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    You are making me reach far back in my mind, but I think I've seen numbers as high as twenty percent.
    Which given the size of the Jewish population cannot all be attributed to gene flow from Jews.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    You are malong reach far back in my mind, but I think I've seen numbers as high as twenty percent.

    Which given the size of the Jewish population cannot all be attributed to gene flow from Jews.
    I suspect it is Phoenician, in large part. 20% is probably close to correct. Phoenicians may have only had a few colonies in Sicily but they settled when the island was fairly sparsely populated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    I suspect it is Phoenician, in large part. 20% is probably close to correct. Phoenicians may have only had a few colonies in Sicily but they settled when the island was fairly sparsely populated.
    This makes sense. But population genetics can be strange. I think something like two women who lived in the last five hundred years account for half of Jewish mitochondria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    This makes sense. But population genetics can be strange. I think something like two women who lived in the last five hundred years account for half of Jewish mitochondria.
    True. I am unsure if genetics coincide well with genes or not, either.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    There are a bunch of people who I'd call Mediterranean too - lot of good looking people around those parts...
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    I can't tell Southern Europeans and Middle-Easterners apart ... anyone who isn't 100% White™ looks foreign to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    I can't tell Southern Europeans and Middle-Easterners apart ... anyone who isn't 100% White™ looks foreign to me.
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    I like the taste of vanilla.
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    This thread is RACIST!

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    This got kind of off topic into genetics (my own fault, mind you) but I am genuinely curious if you could tell apart Southern Europeans from one another, and from Middle Easterners.

    I think it can be hard. Take Penelope Cruz as an example. She looks not very different from Queen Rania of Jordan, or from some of the Saudi royals.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    this got kind of off topic into genetics (my own fault, mind you) but i am genuinely curious if you could tell apart southern europeans from one another, and from middle easterners.

    I think it can be hard. Take penelope cruz as an example. She looks not very different from queen rania of jordan, or from some of the saudi royals.
    oh hells naw.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Well I don't know.

    Part of it is because when we think of a prototype of someone of a given ethnicity, there probably are real people who look just like that.

    But it's more a case of "If you were ever going to find a person who looks like X, it will be in country Y," and not "More or less every person from country Y looks a lot like X."

    So, I'm sure I would easily confuse most people from West Bengal with other Indians. But there is a certain look I see again and again in men from West Bengal which is enough to say they have "Bengali cheekbones." It's not a two-way correspondence; if you see the cheekbones, chances are he's from that part of the world, but the converse is not always true.

    So I think I could easily sort out some mediterraneans from some middle-easterners, but I think that depends on the individual.

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    Even among Canadians whose families predate modern immigration, which is a pretty homogenous lot, I'd say I can often recognise someone from Quebec based on appearance. But I doubt I could recognise most that way. It's just that there are some looks I have only seen in someone Québécois...

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    I think it would be easier to decide which city a hundred random people come from. If you gave me a hundred each from Ottawa, Edmonton, Vancouver & Seattle I could tell you with a glance which hundred is from which city.

    Ottawa has a huge middle eastern population, lebanese for starters. There are billions of black people in Ottawa compared to Edmonton. Well, noticeably more anyway - almost 6 percent.

    Black people in Edmonton are mostly first generation immigrants, and look and sound very distinctively Somali or Ethiopian, compared to people in Ottawa who are more likely to look "north american with african ancestry."Half are francophone, half anglophone. Not many seem to be recent immigrants.

    And Ottawa is missing the brown people! Not nearly so many south asians as in Edmonton, and it looks strikingly different from Vancouver, where you'd also expect to see a huge portion of the population with east asian heritage.

    Seattle looked pretty much white and black. What amazed me was how similar it looks to Vancouver but how different the accents and the demographics are.

    Anyway the point is each room filled with a hundred people from a given city will have its own fingerprint, and I'm sure I could sort them out.

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    I guessed you were Sicilian right off.

    Does that mean I'm always right?





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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    I guessed you were Sicilian right off.

    Does that mean I'm always right?





    Yes. Yes it does.
    I'm impressed. You are one of the very few people who doesn't assume I'm some exotic foreigner from West Asia.

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    not sayin nothin

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    No they are from similar genetic poll.


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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    No, I am not often in a position to judge others nationality and probably would not be very accurate if I tried.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    I honestly think that it is a question that I have never thought about when seeing a guy.

    Usually the first thought that comes to mind is "cute" rather than "wonder what country he comes from".
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    This goes back to something else I was going to say. When I do mistake Sicilians for other groups or others for Sicilian, it's almost always Jews. There is a long tradition in Hollywood of Italian American (mostly Sicilian or people from places nearby on the mainland, like Calabria) and Jewish Americans portraying one another's roles. And the Italians and Jews in New York and Chicago often intermarried.. people of that mix are jokingly called "pizza bagels".

    Recent genetic studies have in fact found that Ashkenazi Jews, Sicilians, and people from Malta are all very similar ancestrally. Why that is, I couldn't say, but they are.
    Jews and Italians overall do NOT look alike. You cite no evince in your claim that Ashkenazi Jews share very similar ancestry to Southern Europeans. Who gives a rats carcass about the "pizza bagels".

    Jews overall have distinct features physically and genetically that differ from Italians other than the dark hair. There are many blonde hair, blue eyed, and even red headed Palestinians. Did you know that Palestinians, Greeks, and people from Malta are all very similar ancestrally (I don't know if that's true, but I like stating facts without evidence!)

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach View Post
    I'm impressed. You are one of the very few people who doesn't assume I'm some exotic foreigner from West Asia.
    I would have said Turkish

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by virulentpeach
    I am, mostly, of Southern European descent. Mostly Sicilian and Portuguese. I get mistaken, as I've said multiple times in various conversations where my appearance gets brought up, very often for Lebanese, Armenian, Turkish and the like. Yet I think I look very typically Sicilian or southern Italian. I am surprised Americans do not see it.
    Quote Originally Posted by nafhoosier
    Jews and Italians overall do NOT look alike. You cite no evince in your claim that Ashkenazi Jews share very similar ancestry to Southern Europeans.
    You're viewing these groups as separate. If you know the history of the area, there's big overlaps in any area that could be easily reached by troops, sailors or merchants.

    There's a good analysis of the historical migrations and invasions that resulted in genetic similarities between Sicilians, Greeks, Ashkenazim, et al in this article:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by nafhoosier View Post
    Jews and Italians overall do NOT look alike. You cite no evince in your claim that Ashkenazi Jews share very similar ancestry to Southern Europeans. Who gives a rats carcass about the "pizza bagels".

    Jews overall have distinct features physically and genetically that differ from Italians other than the dark hair. There are many blonde hair, blue eyed, and even red headed Palestinians. Did you know that Palestinians, Greeks, and people from Malta are all very similar ancestrally (I don't know if that's true, but I like stating facts without evidence!)
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    I've personally met about three Middle Easterners so I don't know what they look like beyond the crowds on the news. I don't think virulentpeach looks distinctly Southern European. If I had to guess between Northern and Southern, I'd pick the latter, but he wouldn't stand out in what I've seen of small Welsh towns. But then I don't notice Poles there until they speak. I'm starting to acknowledge certain Irish and Spanish looks and French which is probably more based on dress, but I can't imagine how any but the most well traveled people or those from cities with distinct ethnic districts can tell between national ethnicities far away from their own.
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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by nafhoosier View Post
    Jews and Italians overall do NOT look alike. You cite no evince in your claim that Ashkenazi Jews share very similar ancestry to Southern Europeans. Who gives a rats carcass about the "pizza bagels".

    Jews overall have distinct features physically and genetically that differ from Italians other than the dark hair. There are many blonde hair, blue eyed, and even red headed Palestinians. Did you know that Palestinians, Greeks, and people from Malta are all very similar ancestrally (I don't know if that's true, but I like stating facts without evidence!)
    Not true. Lots of overlap. After all, even Brian's father was a Roman soldier.

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    Re: Can you tell apart people from Southern Europe and the Middle East by appearance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devois View Post
    I'm starting to acknowledge certain Irish and Spanish looks and French which is probably more based on dress.
    I feel like this is what I am probably going on as well - if there was a load of guys standing naked in a line I would probably not be able to guess where they are from. But I kinda know how a lot of Europeans tend to dress/haircuts that are popular.

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