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    I was just reading this piece about a man who was currently on trial for murder and found hanged in his prison cell over the weekend.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30978534

    Probably the most well known prison suicide in the UK in recent times was Harold Shipman, a GP convicted of 15 murders and suspected of maybe 250 in total.

    In all it appears that there are around 70 suicides annually in British prisons.

    Many suicides are likely to be vulnerable young men who probably haven't done anything so very serious in the overall scale of things and the liberal side of me is concerned by such deaths.

    However, I'm afraid that where someone has been convicted of a serious offence such as murder, my mind turns instead to the economic benefit of not having to keep them in prison for decades at a cost to the taxpayer of over 40,000 (US $60,000) per annum. I find it hard to be concerned if they choose suicide.

    So how gung-ho are you?

    Further reading:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25801336
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nsandprobation

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    Maybe Harke, but only if the body is freshly dead I imagine.

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    Accidents happen.

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    They should incarcerate murders and the suicidal together...........win win.

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    Re: Prison Suicides

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    They should incarcerate murders and the suicidal together...........win win.
    Would you advocate equipping each cell with a length of rope, just in case?

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    Re: Prison Suicides

    In the US, prison is an industry, many young men are incarcerated that are of no harm to others, the cost is about the same.
    If they make it through the system and return to society the likely hood that they will have graduated to violent crime is very much a problem.

    The person you spoke of no doubt could not take the thought of life in prison, death seemed easier. Some young guys probably go that route in stead of choosing rape and violence.

    In my opinion non violent offenders should never be place near hardened criminals (pun not intended).
    As a boy I was placed in a facility with violent young criminals, I had not commented a crime, just had no where to go, I saw rapes and
    violence nearly on a daily basis, I became violent, mean and aggressive, I speak from experience.

    As for warehousing murderers, rapists and such, it's worth the money to keep them locked up, I don't believe in capital punishment.
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    ^ Yup, same in the UK were lots of private companies have contracts to run the prisons. Most (62%) men in prison suffer from mental health issues that are not dealt properly with at any time, leading to the frankly nuts state of affairs where 21% of men, and 46% of women, in UK prisons attempt to commit suicide.

    It needs some sort of revolutionary change to attempt to break the whole mess of the prison system, as right now all it does is keep them out of sight.

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    It would have been better if the suicide preceded the murders, in the event that the accused and convicted actually did what they were accused of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    I was just reading this piece about a man who was currently on trial for murder and found hanged in his prison cell over the weekend.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30978534

    Probably the most well known prison suicide in the UK in recent times was Harold Shipman, a GP convicted of 15 murders and suspected of maybe 250 in total.

    In all it appears that there are around 70 suicides annually in British prisons.

    Many suicides are likely to be vulnerable young men who probably haven't done anything so very serious in the overall scale of things and the liberal side of me is concerned by such deaths.

    However, I'm afraid that where someone has been convicted of a serious offence such as murder, my mind turns instead to the economic benefit of not having to keep them in prison for decades at a cost to the taxpayer of over 40,000 (US $60,000) per annum. I find it hard to be concerned if they choose suicide.

    So how gung-ho are you?

    Further reading:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25801336
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...nsandprobation
    Except how many of the so-called suicides are actually murder in disguise? If someone chooses to kill him/herself in prison that's one thing, if he/she is killed by another inmate, or a guard, that is another. Granted, the inmates are criminals, but they are still human and should be treated as such. If their crimes are so heinous, or bring about lengthy sentences they should be given the option of a quick and relatively painless death in lieu of life in prison. The death could be carried out humanely and not as some back corner suicide that could easily fail and leave the prisoner injured/disabled and in a much worse state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    Accidents happen.
    Suicide is not an accident, neither is murder.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    They should incarcerate murders and the suicidal together...........win win.
    What crime have the suicidal committed that they need to "pay a debt" to society? Actually they should banish murderers to an island prison where they can live out the remainder of their days either "staying alive" or wantonly slaughtering each other. They would be required to live off the land and have only tools/weapons they can fashion from what is available. Society would not be forced to pay for an existence for them when they chose to destroy such for others.
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    I was going to bring up the "suicide might be murders in disguise" thing, but you beat me to it, while I ran out to do the errands I had to do before it got too late.

    I read an article a week ago about something like 350 inmates dying in Florida prisons in 2014, with many of them being extremely suspicious. I've heard of some prisons where the prison staff set up betting pools, then pitted inmates against each other in fights-to-the-death, which occurred at Pelican Bay Prison in California (at the extreme NW point of the state). I wouldn't be surprised if this bloodthirst exists in many other prisons.

    This means there are staff who should be in "the other side" of the cages...and on Death Row, in states that have that penalty.

    I don't agree with everything Willie Boy says (though, as usual, I respect it), but I certainly agree with the outside-the-box thinking in which an inmate should be able to exercise a death penalty OPTION. But, of course, it would be a highly imperfect system. More than likely forced consent would become common...

    I have thought, though, that if I was on Death Row, I would rather be glad for an idea that I could suggest a method of my own execution, which the State may or may not grant, depending on things like whether it's practical, etc. OK my choice wouldn't be firing squad, but there would be some who may choose that, and it would probably be far "cheaper" for the State than all current methods. I would suggest the guillotine, which I do not believe is used anywhere in the world, but also which should not cost more than a few thousand dollars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    ....Many suicides are likely to be vulnerable young men who probably haven't done anything so very serious...
    I'm sure there are qualified prison staff who know how to separate the serious criminals from the frivolous criminals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    I was going to bring up the "suicide might be murders in disguise" thing, but you beat me to it, while I ran out to do the errands I had to do before it got too late.

    I read an article a week ago about something like 350 inmates dying in Florida prisons in 2014, with many of them being extremely suspicious. I've heard of some prisons where the prison staff set up betting pools, then pitted inmates against each other in fights-to-the-death, which occurred at Pelican Bay Prison in California (at the extreme NW point of the state). I wouldn't be surprised if this bloodthirst exists in many other prisons.

    This means there are staff who should be in "the other side" of the cages...and on Death Row, in states that have that penalty.

    I don't agree with everything Willie Boy says (though, as usual, I respect it), but I certainly agree with the outside-the-box thinking in which an inmate should be able to exercise a death penalty OPTION. But, of course, it would be a highly imperfect system. More than likely forced consent would become common...

    I have thought, though, that if I was on Death Row, I would rather be glad for an idea that I could suggest a method of my own execution, which the State may or may not grant, depending on things like whether it's practical, etc. OK my choice wouldn't be firing squad, but there would be some who may choose that, and it would probably be far "cheaper" for the State than all current methods. I would suggest the guillotine, which I do not believe is used anywhere in the world, but also which should not cost more than a few thousand dollars...

    Is "the chair" completely out of use in the United States now?


    It's not just staff, shot callers do it as well. They're not Fighting to the death, ala "The Coliseums". It's prisons version of the UFC....sometimes it goes to far. Some are forced, some do it for the sport, respect, but mostly for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I'm sure there are qualified prison staff who know how to separate the serious criminals from the frivolous criminals.
    They don't house minor offenders in the maximum security prisons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    They don't house minor offenders in the maximum security prisons.
    Due to overcrowding there is an overlap in the housing of violent and non violent offenders. Also because much of the system is now privatized if there is an open those who run the warehouses will scramble to fill it, you can become what ever category prisoner they chose pretty fast.
    The worst thing is putting the mentally ill in with criminals.

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    The U.S. has the largest percentage of people in Prison in the world at 724 per 100,000. While the person who committed suicide that is being spoken of killed two elderly people for nothing most who commit suicide in jail many are innocent or should not be incarcerated as they are. I will never live in the U.S. again.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by peeonme View Post
    Due to overcrowding there is an overlap in the housing of violent and non violent offenders. Also because much of the system is now privatized if there is an open those who run the warehouses will scramble to fill it, you can become what ever category prisoner they chose pretty fast.
    The worst thing is putting the mentally ill in with criminals.
    The term "violent offender" is a misnomer. Under the right circumstances ANYONE could become a violent offender, but that doesn't mean shit outside of those specific circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Boy View Post
    The term "violent offender" is a misnomer. Under the right circumstances ANYONE could become a violent offender, but that doesn't mean shit outside of those specific circumstances.
    This is true, but most offenders have records already, it's easy to see who is into rape, strong arm robbery, armed robbery and who is a shop lifter or writes bad checks.

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    I saw shawshank redemption.
    Prisons should be audited often and those nasty prison officials should be punished harshly.


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