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    Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Goddamn it! Another beautiful kid was pushed to suicide.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/desera...b_6398204.html

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    This made me so upset. Please contact Leelah's mother and father and friends and let them know the truth.

    You can get their home address, phone numbers for home, cell and work here:

    http://www.tumblr.com/search/carla+wood+alcorn

    Let her mothers friends on Facebook know that she committed suicide due to her parents neglect!

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Her name is not Joshua, it's LEELAH!

    Jeez, you sound like her mother.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Poor leelah. I feel sorry for her for not knowing her until she was dead.

    Transphobia is as horrible as homophobia was a generation ago. So much poor information

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    A thread on someone's suicide and you ignore her chosen name because.....?

    Tacky at best.

    *Parent's shouldn't get automatic respect merely for donating genetic material. Respect also isn't earned by how much money someone spends on a child. Neither of those have much to do with the teaching involved and effort it takes to raise 'em. Equating money with effort is a sad fuckin' thing.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    OP didn't ignore her name. He hasn't misgendered him at all. What are you referring to?

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    OP didn't ignore her name. He hasn't misgendered him at all. What are you referring to?
    Grimshaw made a post which was subsequently deleted.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    OP didn't ignore her name. He hasn't misgendered him at all. What are you referring to?
    He's referring to a post that doesn't exist anymore.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    I am really disturbed by the hate spewing from some of the posters here. To suggest or encourage contacting a parent who has just lost a child (for any reason) to lambast them and imply that they are the reason the person killed themselves is really reprehensible. I am betting you did not know the decedent, and that you were not privy to his or her mindset before committing suicide.

    To say that being a parent only involves providing money for someone's upbringing, that it does not allow them to love their child, is beyond the pale.

    This is the best example of why gay men should be allowed to be parents (via adoption or surrogacy or whatever). It is clear that none of you haters have ever been parents.

    Shame on you.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    No one here hasn't made any implication more than Leelah. Leelah left a note stating that the Parents were a big factor in her depression. From that letter it did not at all give any impression that they loved their child and if they did, they certainly failed at showing that at all.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    So sad...youth of today have it worse than ever before....does anyone have compassion for anyone besides themselves....what have we become as a race?

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Whereas I'm opposed to contacting the parents purely to condemn them, it is very, very clear that they played a significant (perhaps even determining) role in their daughter's suicide.

    http://np.reddit.com/r/asktransgende...buse/?sort=new

    That was a post on Reddit made by the girl herself just months before her suicide, and it details the way her parents treated her when she came out to them as trans.

    Much like Digital above, I question the love they had for their child.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    She was so well articulate and seemed like a very bright individual. It is a real shame she was brought up in a poisoned environment. She deserved so much better.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by kev View Post
    I am really disturbed by the hate spewing from some of the posters here. To suggest or encourage contacting a parent who has just lost a child (for any reason) to lambast them and imply that they are the reason the person killed themselves is really reprehensible. I am betting you did not know the decedent, and that you were not privy to his or her mindset before committing suicide.

    To say that being a parent only involves providing money for someone's upbringing, that it does not allow them to love their child, is beyond the pale.

    This is the best example of why gay men should be allowed to be parents (via adoption or surrogacy or whatever). It is clear that none of you haters have ever been parents.

    Shame on you.
    The difference between us (among the many, obv) is

    1. You missed some posts

    2. Because you missed posts, you've said some erroneous things

    3. I suspect you didn't actually read much of anything besides the fact that she's dead, since she did leave a suicide note and there are her parents' actions and behavior, both previous and current, to base an opinion on.

    4. Parents (along with other types of caregivers - really, any group, everywhere) are not some sacrosanct monolith that must be given approval in all things. I've raised children - if anyone is going to go that particular route they'd better not ignore that particular truth in life or they're going to be very, very sorry later.

    5. This isn't an example of how gay people should be allowed to be parents. Trans isn't a synonym for gay and in my experience gay people are no more specifically trans friendly than the general population. It isn't even an example of how trans people should be allowed to be parents since I've known both transphobic and rabidly sexist/homophobic/what-have-you trans people. It's an example of nothing but human error in pointing out cause and effect.

    *That said, I don't endorse calling the parents. Only bit with you I agree on, as a matter of fact.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by luckynumbah7 View Post
    Grimshaw made a post which was subsequently deleted.
    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    He's referring to a post that doesn't exist anymore.
    Oops sorry. Please carry on

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    ^ Not a problem. The post is very conspicuous in its absence. Many of the surrounding texts don't make sense now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    ... The post...


    Quite a few posts have been censored.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    If anything, this is a perfect example of why I am against religious doctrine. Christianity completely fails to teach people to love others and to accept diversity. Instead, it teaches people to hate disguised in politically correct terms, like love the sinner but hate the sin BS.

    Even after death, Leelah's parents still refused to accept their daughter. They dressed her in a suit.

    I'll die a happy man when all the superstitious nonsense are killed off and we can finally focus on love instead of the hate-filled religious dogma that christians spout.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    ....Christianity completely fails to teach people to love others and to accept diversity. ...
    Diversity completely fails to teach people to love others and to accept Christianity.

    I think you might be replacing one religion with another.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Diversity completely fails to teach people to love others and to accept Christianity.

    I think you might be replacing one religion with another.
    You are using the same tactic that creationists use to try to discredit science by trying to tell laymen science is religion.

    Unlike religionists, I don't try to teach kids superstition.

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    Unthinking zealotry is like Unthinking zealotry
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiekiller View Post
    If anything, this is a perfect example of why I am against religious doctrine. Christianity completely fails to teach people to love others and to accept diversity. Instead, it teaches people to hate disguised in politically correct terms, like love the sinner but hate the sin BS.

    Even after death, Leelah's parents still refused to accept their daughter. They dressed her in a suit.

    I'll die a happy man when all the superstitious nonsense are killed off and we can finally focus on love instead of the hate-filled religious dogma that christians spout.
    We know you don't like religion/religious people. Did you really need to use this thread to say it again?
    I got my demons, go get your own.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    I read of this sad news today on the A4A blog. I am deeply saddened that another beautiful child has taken her life. I sincerely hope she is at peace now.

    This link is the story on the A4A blog. It contains her suicide note and the scheduled post to her tumblr account after her death.

    Homophobia kills!

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    She threw her life away when she was about to become an independent adult. Leelah's parents didn't kill her, she did that to herself.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    ... did that ...
    And what about the innocent truck driver?

    The truck driver was innocently driving and they now have to cope with the trauma of this.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    She threw her life away when she was about to become an independent adult. Leelah's parents didn't kill her, she did that to herself.
    How profound.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    She threw her life away when she was about to become an independent adult. Leelah's parents didn't kill her, she did that to herself.
    There's no point victim blaming. She was a survivor of barbaric psychology treatments and constant bullying. The same thing that caused many gay people to kill themselves a few years ago and still does.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    There's no point victim blaming. She was a survivor of barbaric psychology treatments and constant bullying. The same thing that caused many gay people to kill themselves a few years ago and still does.
    Indeed. And those who refused to love her and accept her might just as well have tossed her in front of that truck.

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    Has anyone either seen this movie or read the book? It's about an overbearing Bible-thumping "Christian" mother who drives her son to suicide - he jumped off an overpass onto busy traffic. Racked with guilt, she was seen speaking out on behalf of LGBT kids. Maybe her penitence was genuine, but to me it looks like too little, too late. The serious wankers weren't going to attend her talks anyway.

    What would Buddah do?

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    I was touched by Leelah's short and tragic life story. I will be attending a memorial for her this Saturday at Columbus Circle/Central Park.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Cincinnati Councilman Chris Seelbach's remarks on Leelah Alcorn & Suicide among LGBTQIA people.


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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Sara Gilbert: ‘It’s more important to let go of the idea that you have a son, than to lose your child’

    On Dec. 29, Leelah Alcorn, a transgender teen from Ohio, stepped into the path of an oncoming semi truck on a interstate highway, leaving behind a suicide note describing having felt “like a girl trapped in a boy’s body” since she was four, and how her parents pushed her into conversion therapy and Christian counseling.

    Today, “The Talk” discusses teen suicide:

    “I would just say to people out there who have different beliefs … just think it’s more important to let go of the idea that you have a son, than to lose your child,” says openly gay co-host Sara Gilbert.

    Watch: http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/01/s...se-your-child/

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Over the years I have seen crimes reported where a parent is convicted of killing their child and the sentence is reduced because "they've already lost so much and they have to live with what they've done for the rest of their lives."

    I always thought that sort of thinking was grotesquely stupid, because parents need to be accountable for their actions as well.

    When a parent harangues their child into committing suicide, I have no problem accusing that parent of murder, torture, child abuse, all of the above perhaps. Certainly it is proper social commentary, it is proper to say it to their faces, and in many cases it is probably a proper legal charge as well.
    Last edited by bankside; January 10th, 2015 at 08:52 AM.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    she doesn't need to suicide, im 2 cents o

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    Quote Originally Posted by miaedu View Post
    Cincinnati Councilman Chris Seelbach's remarks on Leelah Alcorn & Suicide among LGBTQIA people.

    Very touching!

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Over the years I have seen crimes reported where a parent is convicted of killing their child and the sentence is reduced because "they've already lost so much and they have to live with what they've done for the rest of their lives."

    I always thought that sort of thinking was grotesquely stupid, because parents need to be accountable for their actions as well.

    When a parent harangues their child into committing suicide, I have no problem accusing that parent of murder, torture, child abuse, all of the above perhaps. Certainly it is proper social commentary, it is proper to say it to their faces, and in many cases it is probably a proper legal charge as well.
    Spot on!

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    One of my favorite parts of last nights GG awards was when Transparent Executive Producer Jill Soloway dedicated the shows win for Best Television Series (Comedy or Musical) to Leelah.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Last night, I woke up in the middle of the night to my boyfriend crying in his sleep again. It's been a few months since I last saw this.

    My boyfriend tells me he has no memory of crying whenever I bring it up. I am convinced that the crying in his sleep is a result of trauma from being kicked out of the house when he was 15. I know when I was 15 I was still emotionally attached to my parents. Terrifying thought of me being kicked out of the house at such a young age. And it happened to my boyfriend.

    Anyway, I bring this up now because I just realized how lucky we are that my boyfriend survived his parents' christian ignorance.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    It's sad she/he committed suicide, but also a little turned off that she basically wrote a note saying, "I'm killing myself now, better put this on the news!" Either way, she needed help, and obviously wasn't getting it.
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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by MrPerfectMan View Post
    It's sad she/he committed suicide, but also a little turned off that she basically wrote a note saying, "I'm killing myself now, better put this on the news!" Either way, she needed help, and obviously wasn't getting it.
    I don't expect rational behaviour from most people about to kill themselves. People dying of cancer who fly to Switzerland? Sure. But Leelah's no exception to the general rule.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    It was nice to see a large turnout at the vigil. That evening was very frigid and we all fought the freezing temps till the end for Leelah.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post


    Has anyone either seen this movie or read the book? It's about an overbearing Bible-thumping "Christian" mother who drives her son to suicide - he jumped off an overpass onto busy traffic. Racked with guilt, she was seen speaking out on behalf of LGBT kids. Maybe her penitence was genuine, but to me it looks like too little, too late. The serious wankers weren't going to attend her talks anyway.
    I've watched the movie several times. It opened my eyes to a lot of aspects in the life of a gay man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaKroma View Post

    It was nice to see a large turnout at the vigil. That evening was very frigid and we all fought the freezing temps till the end for Leelah.
    That's amazing that you attended!

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post


    Has anyone either seen this movie or read the book? It's about an overbearing Bible-thumping "Christian" mother who drives her son to suicide - he jumped off an overpass onto busy traffic. Racked with guilt, she was seen speaking out on behalf of LGBT kids. Maybe her penitence was genuine, but to me it looks like too little, too late. The serious wankers weren't going to attend her talks anyway.
    Yeah well, at least Bobby's mom made atonement for her actions and is giving back to the LGBT community. Leelah Alcorn's parents not only refuse to acknowledge her as a trans woman, but they completely deny that it was a suicide. They keep saying "Oh my son was killed in an car accident, what a horrible tragedy." While there is irrefutable proof in the form of a suicide note on her tumblr.

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    Re: Trans teen suicide - LeeLah Alcorn

    Leelah's Law needs your help: "There's a petition on the White House website, 'Enact Leelah's Law to Ban All LGBTQ+ Conversion Therapy.' If the petition receives 100,000 signatures within the first 30 days, the White House will respond. Right now, the petition has 67,259 signatures, and needs 32,741 more to qualify by February 2. While it won't guarantee a bill or a law, greater awareness means greater possibility for action."

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...erapy/QPbYj38G

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