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    Manufactured outrage ...

    The Danish cartoon and the satanic versus outrage were manufactured by political Islam.
    I think there is no such thing as "Islamophobia"

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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    No rareboy, not baiting.
    It is about "manufactured outrage" by islamist.

    Most Terrorists are muslims terrorizing this Indian TV channel from speaking out:



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    The outrage over the Danish cartoons was certainly bogus. The pictures which the rabid Mohammedans took exception to were not even published in the magazine. The editor rejected them precisely because they might be considered blasphemous, but somehow they got leaked and a group of swivel-eyed Moslem rabble-rousers published them on their own website.
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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    Okay. I'll bite. The only reason that the entire pics of Mohammed thing blew up the way it did was because of WESTERN media attention. So yes. It was all manufactured outrage. If it had been ignored by the European and North American media...it would have been treated for exactly what it is. A temper tantrum by extremists broadcast 24/7 around the world in order to sell feminine napkin products.

    Oh and if you think it is just Islam...tell that to the kid in the US who may be doing jail time for face fucking a statue of Jesus....or Pussy Riot, who have been beaten and jailed by the Russian Orthodox Church for blasphemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Essex Boy View Post
    The outrage over the Danish cartoons was certainly bogus. The pictures which the rabid Mohammedans took exception to were not even published in the magazine. The editor rejected them precisely because they might be considered blasphemous, but somehow they got leaked and a group of swivel-eyed Moslem rabble-rousers published them on their own website.
    The bait having been laid by Muslim extremists created the desired result.....a procedure developed thousands of years ago to snare ones enemy into over reacting, creating fear, and chaos....where there is none......for we are much more likely to die from the actions of muggers, drunken yobs, drunk drivers, accidents at home than by the hands of an Islamic terrorist wielding his chopper....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Most Terrorists are muslims
    Whoa! Two minutes ago I was 51% on your side, Tel. I'm not playing any more.
    zzzzzz . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Okay. I'll bite. The only reason that the entire pics of Mohammed thing blew up the way it did was because of WESTERN media attention. So yes. It was all manufactured outrage. If it had been ignored by the European and North American media...it would have been treated for exactly what it is. A temper tantrum by extremists broadcast 24/7 around the world in order to sell feminine napkin products.

    Oh and if you think it is just Islam...tell that to the kid in the US who may be doing jail time for face fucking a statue of Jesus....or Pussy Riot, who have been beaten and jailed by the Russian Orthodox Church for blasphemy.
    Now that is funny, but what is feminine napkin products ?
    Jail for fucking a statue of Jesus? How come it is not in the news?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Essex Boy View Post
    Whoa! Two minutes ago I was 51% on your side, Tel. I'm not playing any more.
    I'm not playing anything.
    I'm just following the news ... how come there are very few Buddhist terrorists, Hindu terrorists, Scientology terrorists ...etc?


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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-an...ight-white-men

    some good examples from the US.

    The Kid?

    A Pennsylvania teenager faces up to two years behind bars after posting pictures to Facebook in which he simulates receiving oral sex from a statue of Jesus.
    http://www.newsweek.com/christianity...-statue-270120

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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The bait having been laid by Muslim extremists created the desired result.....a procedure developed thousands of years ago to snare ones enemy into over reacting, creating fear, and chaos....where there is none......for we are much more likely to die from the actions of muggers, drunken yobs, drunk drivers, accidents at home than by the hands of an Islamic terrorist wielding his chopper....
    That was exactly what Salman Rushdie said, it was all made up and the every day muslims just don't care they have better things to do. Islamophobia is made up by the extremists.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    That was exactly what Salman Rushdie said, it was all made up and the every day muslims just don't care they have better things to do. Islamophobia is made up by the extremists.
    Of course it is....they succeed when the dim witted person swallows their bait.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Christianity is similar to Islam so it doesn't surprise me if there are Christian terrorists
    because they are all form the religions of the desert.

    I would be outraged if the kid go to jail for fucking a statue.
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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    No. You have the two things confused. The terrorists are creating a climate of fear....most often for other Muslims of a different sect or tribe. The automatic reaction from the west should not be the condemnation of 1.5 billion muslims....Islamaphobia is a western invention....manufactured and stoked by the right wing Christians, the white supremacists and the 24 hour news media like FOX...who need their audience afraid and angry in order to keep them tuning in every day. Islamaphobia is very real. Grimshaw is the perfect poster child.

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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    A few points...

    I don't like ANY religion imposing their version of "God's Will" on anyone else and that definitely includes Islam....

    Freedom of Religion is great...so is Freedom from Religion....

    If extremist Christian people thought they could get away with it in this country you would see a lot of Christian terrorists as well...just listen to some of the voices on the far right religious forums...they want to impose "God's Will" on gay people by killing us.....

    There are plenty of people...the majority...in every religion who understand that it is a belief and are peaceable people who use their religion for guidance and comfort their own lives and have no wish to impose anything on anyone else....this includes Muslims

    I think it is important to make the distinctions....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Essex Boy View Post
    The outrage over the Danish cartoons was certainly bogus. The pictures which the rabid Mohammedans took exception to were not even published in the magazine. The editor rejected them precisely because they might be considered blasphemous, but somehow they got leaked and a group of swivel-eyed Moslem rabble-rousers published them on their own website.
    I have often thought that if a religion is so very neurotic about its beliefs that they must be built on very rocky ground.
    If you have a solid faith in something then a little piss taking is not going to affect your belief.
    Similarly, why all this hatred for non believers? If someone dosn't follow your belief how does it affect your faith?
    And if you have to force people to believe what you do, how strong is their belief? And therefore how believable is your doctrine?

    If you are arguing with someone you know you have won when they start to get agitated.
    Militant Muslims are permanently agitated. Ergo they have always known they have lost the argument

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    That was exactly what Salman Rushdie said, it was all made up and the every day muslims just don't care they have better things to do. Islamophobia is made up by the extremists.
    Islamophobia is just a label to justify their neurosis and paranoia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Islamophobia is made up by the extremists.
    All fears and phobias are learned behaviour except for 2: a fear of falling (not a fear of high places) and a fear of sudden loud noises. However, there is usually a basis for the various fears and phobias. They are either taught or they are learned through experience.

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    I don't see Bill Maher or Sam Harris have done anything wrong here.
    Ben Affleck was crazy ... not sure he has hidden agenda behind his anger or outrage.



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    No Telstra. Maher and Harris were conflating one thing with another and then breezily coming up with hundreds of millions of people who apparently would represent some existential threat to civilization. Affleck saw the grotesque failure of the logic in this. So did I and a lot of other people as well. It is clear that Maher hates Islam as much as he hates all religions, so no one is going to get a pass from him.

    But it is the same fallacy that Grimshaw promotes on this site....that the actions of the merest few hundred or even a few thousands of 1.5 billion adherents to Islam immediately moves them all into the same 'other' realm as all the populations that get targeted by race hate and bigotry.

    At one time it was the Jews. Still is the blacks. It can be the Japanese. Or the Chinese. Or Roma. Or homosexuals. Or protestants. Or Catholics. Or Hindus. Or Sikhs. Or Indians. Or communists. World history is just a map of shifting targets for others' fear and loathing. Because when some millions of people start to think that their fear justifies action against their perceived enemies...the result is a human conflagration that resolves nothing as we then move onto our next target.

    To be absolutely honest, I don't see what this thread actually does to further the subject beyond all the other threads on this topic that have been started in Hot Topics week after week year after year except to provide spectator sport as Jubbers with differing views battle it out again. We just had Grimshaw's thread on Affleck et al a few days ago. There are at least two or three new threads on ISIS here every week.

    It isn't as though for the group of posters left on this forum that we are changing our minds or even looking to change anyone else's. If anything, the endless urse fights over Islam make Hot Topics seems pretty toxic to posters looking to have fun in HT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    No Telstra. Maher and Harris were conflating one thing with another and then breezily coming up with hundreds of millions of people who apparently would represent some existential threat to civilization. Affleck saw the grotesque failure of the logic in this. So did I and a lot of other people as well. It is clear that Maher hates Islam as much as he hates all religions, so no one is going to get a pass from him.

    But it is the same fallacy that Grimshaw promotes on this site....that the actions of the merest few hundred or even a few thousands of 1.5 billion adherents to Islam immediately moves them all into the same 'other' realm as all the populations that get targeted by race hate and bigotry.

    At one time it was the Jews. Still is the blacks. It can be the Japanese. Or the Chinese. Or Roma. Or homosexuals. Or protestants. Or Catholics. Or Hindus. Or Sikhs. Or Indians. Or communists. World history is just a map of shifting targets for others' fear and loathing. Because when some millions of people start to think that their fear justifies action against their perceived enemies...the result is a human conflagration that resolves nothing as we then move onto our next target.

    To be absolutely honest, I don't see what this thread actually does to further the subject beyond all the other threads on this topic that have been started in Hot Topics week after week year after year except to provide spectator sport as Jubbers with differing views battle it out again. We just had Grimshaw's thread on Affleck et al a few days ago. There are at least two or three new threads on ISIS here every week.

    It isn't as though for the group of posters left on this forum that we are changing our minds or even looking to change anyone else's. If anything, the endless urse fights over Islam make Hot Topics seems pretty toxic to posters looking to have fun in HT.
    I still see the Danish Cartoon affair and the Satanic versus affair are major crimes done by the Islamist which has not been settled yet as no one has been prosecuted. What are the crimes? The crimes are the extremists are getting away with hate speeches, thats my honest opinion.

    Also where did Bill Maher or Sam Harris or anyone important say "ALL" muslims did this or that? I didn't hear it.
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    For the "frankly stupid"...

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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    I am right about Ben Affect and a lot of people agree with me.
    People are tip toeing around 1 religion but not tip toeing about other religions. Double standard much.



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    hmmm...boring...

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    i hope rareboy come back soon.
    Here is Sam Harris response ....



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    some good examples from the US.
    Absolutes are well and good to defend in the abstract, but even our government's highest leaders, hardly religious zealots, grew concerned when a Fundamentalist minister in Florida was going to burn the Koran a year or two ago. The act was correctly seen as inflammatory, not merely a protest. It was intended to incite violence. And I've read enough celebration of Canada's anti-hate-speech laws on JUB to believe this would not be tolerated in Canada any more than the U.S. An attack on a religious property is an attack on a religious people.

    Whether the 14-yr.-old was so savvy or just cavalier is not clear, but it also is a given that he won't be going to jail for such an offense. Everyone knows he will wind up with some community service and probation, a far cry from having a fatwa with a death threat hanging over him. He obviously wanted to be highly offensive, and he got his wish.

    Aside from the so-called "freedom of expression" claims, his act was not on public property, but exercised on a religious object of devotion, on private property, on a privately owned statue. If he had desecrated Jewish graves in France, there would be universal outrage. Desecration is much broader than just some taggers with spray paint and headstones. It is intentional violence done to religious imagery, be that within a house of worship, a cemetery, or other sacred site.

    If a kid wants to make a statue on his own, buy one and put it in his yard, or digitally create sacrilege, his right remains protected by US law. BUT, that is not what he did. He desecrated an object of veneration at a place of worship. He went out of his way to malign private property in a public setting and then promulgate the evidence in broad media. His chance of getting ACLU protection is low, as it would have the ancillary effect of defending all the graveyard desecrations across the country.

    He committed a crime, not on par with fascism, but a real crime, regardless of his youth. The fact that the District Attorney is an ultraconservative jerk doesn't change the guilt of the desecrator.

    And the prosecution in no way represents terrorism, only civil behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    i hope rareboy come back soon.
    Here is Sam Harris response ....

    The guy still throws out terms like 'so called extremism'.

    Any thing less than Sharia law by his definition isn't true Islam. He has a binary view of religion.
    In his view of the Muslim world, you seem to be either:
    A) a barbaric murderer operating under Sharia law, or
    B) not a proper Muslim

    He keeps quoting statistics to suggest the majority of the billion plus Muslim people in the world belong in section A.
    He's not particularly credible.

    A brief look at history shows that some of the 20th centuries worst conflicts, involving humanities worst atrocities, were led by non-Muslim countries. WWI with 37 million deaths, WWII with 60 million deaths including the holocaust and death camps, Communist mass killings resulted in 80-100 million deaths.

    Buddist, Communist, Muslim and Christian countries have all engaged in atrocities on a grand scale over a short period of history.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabluey View Post
    The guy still throws out terms like 'so called extremism'.

    Any thing less than Sharia law by his definition isn't true Islam. He has a binary view of religion.
    In his view of the Muslim world, you seem to be either:
    A) a barbaric murderer operating under Sharia law, or
    B) not a proper Muslim

    He keeps quoting statistics to suggest the majority of the billion plus Muslim people in the world belong in section A.
    He's not particularly credible.

    A brief look at history shows that some of the 20th centuries worst conflicts, involving humanities worst atrocities, were led by non-Muslim countries. WWI with 37 million deaths, WWII with 60 million deaths including the holocaust and death camps, Communist mass killings resulted in 80-100 million deaths.

    Buddist, Communist, Muslim and Christian countries have all engaged in atrocities on a grand scale over a short period of history.
    Well the bible and the Quaran give cover to extremism.
    That is why to tactle the root cause is to make sure that there is no hiding place for extremists, the bible, Quran and any religious books must be treated as fairy tales (until they can prove their supernatural claims are true).

    People keep comparing Nazism, communism is unfair and stupid and both Nazism and communism are already solved. Desert religions on the other hands created problems for over 2000 years and is still on going. Christianity pokes its ugly head and cause problems in Africa/Uganda at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Well the bible and the Quaran give cover to extremism.
    That is why to tactle the root cause is to make sure that there is no hiding place for extremists, the bible, Quran and any religious books must be treated as fairy tales (until they can prove their supernatural claims are true).

    People keep comparing Nazism, communism is unfair and stupid and both Nazism and communism are already solved. Desert religions on the other hands created problems for over 2000 years and is still on going. Christianity pokes its ugly head and cause problems in Africa/Uganda at the moment.
    The point is, people incite whatever their belief system is to inspire hatred.
    In the case of Maher and Harris, they're Atheists.
    Opportunistically they are blaming religion as the root of all evil.
    Blah blah blah, something enigmatic sounding...

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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    ...Most Terrorists are muslims ...
    wow.... That says it all.

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    Re: Manufactured outrage ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra
    ...Most Terrorists are muslims...
    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    wow.... That says it all.
    Simple solutions from simple minds.

    At least it makes debate unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    wow.... That says it all.
    At the moment yes.
    Very small % of muslims are terrorists.
    But most of the terrorists acts are done by muslims. Big difference.

    Name some terrorist acts that are done by other religion ?


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    Simple solutions from simple minds. ..
    You can use the Ignore Button.

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    Name some terrorist acts that are done by other religion ?
    You really asked that...? Back under your rock you go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    You really asked that...? Back under your rock you go!
    Yes i asked that.
    You have zero answer. Under the rock can be so nice


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    Name some terrorist acts that are done by other religion ?
    How about 30-odd years of IRA/Catholic terrorism against the UK mainland perpetuated by violent arseholes largely funded by stupid ignorant cunts in the US who delusionally seemed to think that they were supporting some sort of 'glorious struggle for Irish freedom'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoodedRat View Post
    How about 30-odd years of IRA/Catholic terrorism against the UK mainland perpetuated by violent arseholes largely funded by stupid ignorant cunts in the US who delusionally seemed to think that they were supporting some sort of 'glorious struggle for Irish freedom'.
    And are they less violence or more violence than the religion we cannot name because it is so offensive to name it ?
    And are they still happening now ?
    And can you burn the bible without fear ? of course you can !!!
    Last edited by Telstra; October 17th, 2014 at 06:19 PM.


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