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    What's happening in England?

    Has anyone suicided from that hideous Red-Intestine Olympics Tower yet?

    Is Mr Cameron tieing himself up in knots trying to be a leader AND Mr Bland at the same time?

    Are people excited about the Scottish Exit referendum?

    Is Manchester REALLY England's gay centre?


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    Re: What's happening in England?

    Everything is happening in England apparently Me Camerons benefit laws have made many people on the poverty line.

    Manchester has about as many gays as London and we still keep hearing about Rolph Harris and Jimmy Savile everyday somewhere.

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    Re: What's happening in England?

    Bunch of pedo stuff, celebs, MP's.

    And that's it really.
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    Re: What's happening in England?

    sumone forgat seat down or up or fill in it?

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    Re: What's happening in England?

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Has anyone suicided from that hideous Red-Intestine Olympics Tower yet?
    Suicided? Come on Mr Grimshaw, only Americans mangle the English language that badly!

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Is Mr Cameron tieing himself up in knots trying to be a leader AND Mr Bland at the same time?
    Cameron isn't doing that badly all things considered, helped I'm sure by the fact that Ed Miliband is widely considered to be seriously weird and the Liberal Democrats are deeply unpopular.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Are people excited about the Scottish Exit referendum?
    I've not detected any excitement. The polls pretty much all suggest that we're stuck with the buggers. I'm waiting the the referendum (which of course will never come because the result would be a foregone conclusion) allowing the English to decide on independence from Scotland.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Is Manchester REALLY England's gay centre?
    No, that's Brighton.

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    I don't like useless petty news from Britain like Rolph Harris, Royal news, petty scandals ... etc


    NEVER LISTEN TO A ONE SIDED STORY AND JUDGE.

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    Re: What's happening in England?

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Has anyone suicided from that hideous Red-Intestine Olympics Tower yet?
    Nah, it ain't all that high either. I get the joys of seeing it pretty much every other day.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Is Mr Cameron tieing himself up in knots trying to be a leader AND Mr Bland at the same time?
    As others have said the other two are shit, so Cameron is kind of cruising on by. It feels though that he counted the entire party in teflon when he was elected, nothing sticks on those guys. I mean when you actually think about it, the amount of gaffs and fuck ups that party has had. I mean just look at the Abu Qatada, he was found not guilty now - after all that shit May went though the whole party should be under pressure on that one. Or look at the snoopers charter thing - they were told months ago that it was not going to be allowed by the European Court, so they decided to leave changing or doing anything with it to the deadline that the court had told them to get rid of it by rather than coming up with a backup straight away.

    Anyway I don't think any of the parties (outside of UKIP) are doing anything - so I am guessing another coalition, but perhaps lib/lab

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Are people excited about the Scottish Exit referendum?
    I am I guess, and people I know up north are fairly excited by finding out what will happen. Sadly it seems fear and they will stay part of the union, rather than actually going their own way.

    I hope they get devo max out of this, because its such a weird set up - not returning a conservative government up there since the early 60s, yet living under it half the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Is Manchester REALLY England's gay centre?
    It's a fairly big scene, but Brighton really is the capital I would say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    Ihope they get devo max out of this, because its such a weird set up - not returning a conservative government up there since the early 60s, yet living under it half the time.
    That, as you say, is half the story. For the rest of the time, the large number of Labour MPs elected in Scotland has resulted in Labour governments being inflicted on the more Conservative English. Scottish independence would make it much more difficult for Labour to win power at Westminster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    That, as you say, is half the story. For the rest of the time, the large number of Labour MPs elected in Scotland has resulted in Labour governments being inflicted on the more Conservative English. Scottish independence would make it much more difficult for Labour to win power at Westminster.
    Oh yeah sure - but I am a support of independence anyway!

    On it being harder for Labour to win - since the 60s there only been the election in the 70s (I have forgotten my years - 74? 75?) labour victory that required Scotland. When labour win, it tends to be a landslide.

    Either way, I would not mind seeing Labour get destroyed - maybe a left wing party that has not given up all its ideals to be yet another centre party can grow out of it, or perhaps the Greens can start getting somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    ...Either way, I would not mind seeing Labour get destroyed - maybe a left wing party that has not given up all its ideals to be yet another centre party can grow out of it, or perhaps the Greens can start getting somewhere.
    But Johnny, how long do we have to wait before those ideals can be realised?

    A few days ago you were mentioning Foucault's grand ideals but he died before any of them could be realised. We have a Greens Party here which here which does include some solidly-intellectual, capable gays but lots of teenage-thinking fruit-loops.

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    Re: What's happening in England?

    And yet, with all the differing views about what's happening in the UK, Sir Ron still has it at the top of his must visit list.

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    I can not help but think that the only item the majority of Americans see and are told about England is -- drum role please maestro

    Pippa Middleton's arse

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    Re: What's happening in England?

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    But Johnny, how long do we have to wait before those ideals can be realised?

    A few days ago you were mentioning Foucault's grand ideals but he died before any of them could be realised. We have a Greens Party here which here which does include some solidly-intellectual, capable gays but lots of teenage-thinking fruit-loops.
    Foucault's death was a tragedy, he got the bug before it was fully understood. I doubt he would have seen his ideals go anywhere though as his ability to write for different audiences was just awful - it was academic or nothing with him. Even I struggle to read him and I have been doing work in his field for years now.
    Yes, the greens do tend to suffer from that lot here as well (student politicians and all that), but the leadership here is pretty good and they actually come from a diverse background. It has taken them a long time here to get anywhere in terms of respectability and I would expect them to grow a lot more if it had not been for UKIP - they have taken all press and exposure and offer no more in return (the Greens want a referendum on Europe as well). Still they are a party of convictions, rather than the three main parties who are filled to the brim with snollygosters and careerists with no real world experience. In the past I would have some amount of trust of labour and conservatives - they would have been businessmen and workers. Now they are all Oxbridge graduates who's only job has been as a party researcher.

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    Holly Valance is making a comeback to pop that is gona be happening in England.

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    The government has used 'terror' as an excuse for getting cross-party legitimisation of recording all our metadata from internet and telephony companies, which was something which the EU courts had deemed illegal back in April. The law is brought in without proper due process - white paper, then discussions in the house, etc.. Orwellian? Maybe. The ramping up of all the terror responses has begun again in earnest and I think we're gonna be seeing elections not on real issues, but on who can scare the electorate the most to win.


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    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    The government has used 'terror' as an excuse...
    I would be terror-fied if I was obliged to daily catch the Tube or a London bus—


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    Daily? More people get killed crossing the street than by terrorism in the UK. By your logic, no one would venture out of their homes or walk out on the street. Are your cocooned in your home, pat?


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    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    Daily? More people get killed crossing the street than by terrorism in the UK.
    Yes, but we have no idea what level of terrorism the security services already succeed in preventing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Yes, but we have no idea what level of terrorism the security services already succeed in preventing.
    So we abdicate more freedoms to achieve more security?

    To quote Benjamin Franklin


    “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

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    It actually doesn't matter anymore, which party you vote for both labor and the conservatives can never keep their promises and lie one way or another. I like to think of both parties as one giant ass no matter how much they attract you to them they're still full of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemizanin729 View Post
    It actually doesn't matter anymore, which party you vote for both labor and the conservatives can never keep their promises and lie one way or another. I like to think of both parties as one giant ass no matter how much they attract you to them they're still full of crap.
    Aye but the follow up to that is - what are you going to do about it? We have a complete detachment between the political class and normal people, yet we never get beyond that. I'm as guilty of it as the next man a lot of the time! But what should we do? Rise up and overthrow the bourgeois? Storm the palaces? Hope it all just stops happening?

    I know where I stand, but the UK is walking towards the right all the time, so I doubt we will see a decent socialist party any time soon.

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    ^ ...so I doubt we will see a decent socialist party any time soon.

    We'll never see it. The angry socialists were operating when there was REAL poverty and people went hungry.

    The Welfare State has pacified all that anger into mindless complacency we see today.


    How much labour does this woman do?


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    Re: What's happening in England?

    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Suicided? Come on Mr Grimshaw, only Americans mangle the English language that badly!...
    The online oxford dictionary says 'suicide' is an intransitive verb as well as an abstract noun.

    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    ...No, that's Brighton.
    I thought Manchester might be England's gay centre because Queer as Folk was set there (and I remember you visiting there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I thought Manchester might be England's gay centre because Queer as Folk was set there (and I remember you visiting there).
    It has a very big and famous gay scene centred around Canal Street and is the north of England's gay capital. But Brighton's gay scene feels so much bigger and brighter really. It helps that the town is smaller than Manchester and thus you don't really get away from it. According to one of the recent census reports Brighton also has the highest percent of gay couples (co-habiting only though) in the country, with the rest of the top ten areas with gay couples all being in parts of London.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I thought Manchester might be England's gay centre because Queer as Folk was set there (and I remember you visiting there).
    I don't think me visiting a city adds in any way to its gay credibility!

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    I don't think me visiting a city ...
    I'm sure you are an ornament to every place you visit.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    ...I am I guess, and people I know up north are fairly excited by finding out what will happen. Sadly it seems fear and they will stay part of the union, rather than actually going their own way...
    I don't think I've heard Bender or medic say anything about the Referendum.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    ...I hope they get devo max out of this, because its such a weird set up - not returning a conservative government up there since the early 60s, yet living under it half the time....
    I guess they are like us. We vote for a federal and state government and we usually try to get balance of the two; we switch on the state level soon after there's a change on the federal level.

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    How much labour does this woman do?

    She doesn't do anything but she found fame from that and it looks like she's doing well she is a celebrity now.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5580035.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I don't think I've heard Bender or medic say anything about the Referendum.
    I don't know about Bender, but Medic has mentioned a few times his pro-Union.

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    ^Thank you. Yes i am part of the "say no" clique, i believe that Scotland should stay in The Union. If only to annoy the English....

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    So many double posts, damn firefox going crazy
    Last edited by JohnnyAnger; July 14th, 2014 at 09:11 AM.

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    Double post oops
    Last edited by JohnnyAnger; July 14th, 2014 at 09:11 AM.

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    Re: What's happening in England?

    ^ God damn ye Scots! Cannae teach you nocht! We want Ingland nea Great Breetain! Dree yer wierd alone, you will nane the waur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemizanin729 View Post
    She doesn't do anything but she found fame from that and it looks like she's doing well she is a celebrity now.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5580035.html
    I read the Huff Post piece. I still don't know who White Dee is, or why she's famous. And who, for that matter is Cheryl Cole? BTW, the Olympic Tower is even uglier than Dee. The Important Artist (I forget his name) who created it is certainly capable of entertaining work (the Bean in Chicago immediately comes to mind), but the Tower is completely atrocious. A more civilized age (if it ever arrives--I'm not holding my breath) will demolish it, but then a more civilized age will demolish almost everything erected in London since the Second World War.

    But keep the Gherkin. And Shakespeare's Globe.
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    Suicided? Come on Mr Grimshaw, only Americans mangle the English language that badly!
    Americans are just more true to the language's Germanic roots. Only Latin-based snobbery would frown on "suicided".

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Yes, but we have no idea what level of terrorism the security services already succeed in preventing.
    Ah, yes -- the "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" defense.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    ^ God damn ye Scots! Cannae teach you nocht! We want Ingland nea Great Breetain! Dree yer wierd alone, you will nane the waur.
    LOL

    Love it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    BTW, just for the record, as for the Union, I wish Robert the Bruce had taken the English throne and unified the islands under a truly shared government. We might not have needed to have an American Revolution, then.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Maybe the PM will cark it soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Americans are just more true to the language's Germanic roots. Only Latin-based snobbery would frown on "suicided".
    The English are just more true to the language's Latin roots. Only Germanic-based idiocy would give credence to "suicided".

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Yes, but we have no idea what level of terrorism the security services already succeed in preventing.
    Quote Originally Posted by star-warrior View Post
    So we abdicate more freedoms to achieve more security?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Ah, yes -- the "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" defence.
    You misjudge me Kuli. I'm all in favour of using covert techniques to prevent terrorism. It's Star-Warrior who would be soft on the terrorists with all his talk of surrendering freedom and such bollocks. No country is truly free and it's incredibly naive to pretend otherwise. There inevitably has to be a compromise between the rights of the individual and the common good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    The English are just more true to the language's Latin roots. Only Germanic-based idiocy would give credence to "suicided".
    I'm with you on this - he committed suicide, not he suicided.

    Anyway even the German's agree with us on this! It is Selbstmord in all cases i.e. Selbstmord begangen
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    Re: What's happening in England?

    I would rather use the intransitive verb to suicide by jumping off the Eiffel Tower rather than that hideous thing that looks like exploding scarlet intestines.

    But Wiki tells me it was mostly financed by a NON-Englishman to feed his vanity.


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    Re: What's happening in England?

    Suicide is a noun, not a verb. I don't suicide myself. I commit suicide - commit is the verb

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    But Wiki tells me it was mostly financed by a NON-Englishman to feed his vanity.
    Well yeah it was Lakshmi Mittal's thing, his been in London since the 90s. One of the richest guys there as well

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    'Suicide' as a verb is in—

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suicide
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...cide?q=suicide


    Can one conjugate and use 'suicide' as a verb?

    ….It's not used much as a verb, but it's certainly legit…..

    The OED has citations for the verb suicide meaning ‘to commit suicide’ from 1841 to 1898, and there are citations in the sense ‘to do to death’ from 1876 to 1900. There are two twentieth century citations for the derived adjective suicided.

    http://english.stackexchange.com/que...cide-as-a-verb

    I can think of more infuriating crimes against our language.

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    It's worth remembering that that dreadful red tower is in the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park where so many athletes medalled. Or was it podiumed?

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    ^





    They should be 'bemedalled' as a passive verb.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    Well yeah it was Lakshmi Mittal's thing, his been in London since the 90s. One of the richest guys there as well
    The infamous Mittal skyscraper house in Bombay is also enormously ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LatimerRd View Post
    The infamous Mittal skyscraper house in Bombay is also enormously ugly.
    Well you can't buy class...

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    The English are just more true to the language's Latin roots. Only Germanic-based idiocy would give credence to "suicided".
    The language has no Latin roots.

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