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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    ^Welcome to the mediocrity that are books 4&5.

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    Pretty much all "non-protagonists' " stories...
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    peter out and get EXTREMELY boring

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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    What the hell, Shae? (And Varys for that matter )

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    ^Shae at least has a reason to turn against Tyrion.

    With Varys, you have to look at him as the true "defender of the realm" and not a friend. Tyrion and him did share some common ideals but that does not make a friend. Varys views Tyrion as a threat now, especially with Joffrey killed and Littlefinger no longer in King's Landing.

    I will say as a book reader, I am drawing a blank on the "trial by combat" here. I know the outcome of course but not the actual fight.

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    As dubious as it seems, since all he's really doing is giving power-hungry Cersie what her little black heart desires, Varys' defending of the realm is slightly more palatable than Shae being a spiteful liar. He's all shades of grey; she's nothing but black and white. Her betrayal is what pushed Tryion over the edge. I can't say I blame him.

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    I will say as a book reader, I am drawing a blank on the "trial by combat" here.
    Given how the HBO series differs (so greatly at times) from the books, well....

    Speaking of diverging storylines, I thought it was so weird how quickly Yara hightailed it out of the Dreadfort after that impassioned speech she gave to her ironborn brothers, and what seemed such an inflexible resolve to take back what was rightfully hers.

    Oh, well. I guess she had to run.

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    I watch this. BUT now that I'm really into the books I must say HBO hasn't done a great job with the material.
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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    I must say HBO hasn't done a great job with the material.
    Most of the time the source material will always take the edge, but I have to say that HBO's Game of Thrones is easily one of the best shows currently going. (And I'm not alone.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Native Son View Post
    Most of the time the source material will always take the edge, but I have to say that HBO's Game of Thrones is easily one of the best shows currently going. (And I'm not alone.)
    There have been some hiccups in the TV adaptation but overall book readers are pleased.

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    I agree that it is a good show I suppose. I just don't think it does a particularly good job translating the source material. The rape of Cersei being a great, but by no means singular example of this. Not to mention turning Robb's marriage into some 21st century boy meets girl story rather than the more interesting and believable version in the books. The Shae character is another good example she makes little/no sense to me on the show whereas in the book she's obviously a fun/silly opportunist. I'm not sure if anyone shares these views, they are my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IamNoah View Post
    The rape of Cersei being a great, but by no means singular example of this.
    Funny you should say that.

    I didn't realize there was any kind of controversy until I read about the fan outrage.

    My mind never went there.

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    I loved the ending of this episode. I do remember Sansa's "snow building" was a long affair in the books with much of it inner dialogue about how all the little places she would "play" in the city. Some people were disappointed with the scene but I thought it was fine.

    I will say it is a bit of a mindfuck with different stories at different points in the series. The Wall is still stuck in Book 3 whereas Sansa and Littlefinger are well into Book 4. I get the feeling that season 5 will focus heavily on The Wall and King's Landing next year with some "northern" stories mixed in.

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    Given the pacing, I don't think Tywin will be offed this season.

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    noo why did they kill Oberyn Martell
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    noo why did they kill Oberyn Martell
    thats why its so sad, they always do this to us, kill us off, isnt that great

    fuck game of thrones. i am not watching this again

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    noo why did they kill Oberyn Martell
    I think his death is a literary catapult to ignite the rising tension between Dorne and the Lannister's. GRRM doesn't write deaths just for the shock value, he's a complex author, shit happens because of the character's intentions or own doings. People think the Red Wedding happened because GRRM wanted to 'shock' people when not really, it happened based on Robb's feelings of honour and general bad decisions, along with his mother.

    The Martell's are my favourite House, and I hope the show gives them enough justice, especially keep Quentyn and Arianne.

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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    Almost every death is caused because of someone's failure to play the Game of Thrones. I agree with fuckari, the Red Wedding was because Robb screwed over Frey. Frey considered himself to be the most powerful lord in the area, and to be slighted by a boy in such a way... betrayed and robbed of being father to a queen, yeah, he was going to kill Robb.

    With the spoiler, he deserved to die. You don't demand a confession during something like that. You kill them, then consider the man guilty because the God's don't let a just man die. His pride was too great, and pride gets you killed in Westeros.

    I loved Cersei's smile at the end. I can't wait to see her face when she remembers that Myrcella was sent to Dorne.

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    I have not read the books and at this stage am happy I did not because I would not want to know the Oberyn was going to die and especially such a miserable death. I wonder, too, if The Mountain died as well. Because the show is brilliant and the unexpected happens all the time (not usually good expected to my favs). So many of my favs have died miserable deaths in these past episodes so I cringe whenever one does die and rejoice at the small gifts when someone awful dies (Joffrey). I hope Sansa has come into her own has is learning how to be conniving and deceitful. The girl has been through more than almost any character (maybe not Theon, but his is deserved for his betrayal). I wonder, too, if Sansa and Aryn will be reunited now since they are in the same neighborhood. Maybe not since Bran and Jon have been within ear shot and missed each other twice.
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    Given the arc, the "finale" is this Sunday and I am expecting it to be the battle at the Wall. I just remember how epic it was in the book [if you saw the Blackwater episode, the Wall battle is even more epic; probably more CGI though]. The only thing I am weary about is that Sansa's arc in the books is about to end "thus far" so I am extremely curious how they will continue that arc.

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    I have a premonition that Tyrion will kill Tywin in the last episode this season. That would be a fitting cliffhanger for the next season.

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    I watch this. BUT now that I'm really into the books I must say HBO hasn't done a great job with the material.
    I'm beginning to think this wondering should I read a book after each season now.
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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    last night's episode: boring. I recorded it and fast-forwarded through most of it.

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    ^the same here .
    I never liked john snow story line.

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    ^
    His storyline is very good in the books I have to say.
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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    ^And, Martin has said he may write an 8th book if he deems it necessary, so 2029?
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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    I'm kinda getting ticked off that they are taking away all the nudity. We can asses on network T.V.
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    HBO's Game of Thrones. ( No Book Spoilers Allowed -- Go to Hell.)

    Well, that was an interesting season.

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    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/HBO

    Now these people understand decorum, respect.

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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    they need to do more then 10 episodes in season 5

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    Winter is coming.
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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    Loved the finale. Unlike past seasons, this one felt like a proper season finale. Glad I have not read the books and was not spoiled by anything going into this episode. Left me very satisfied with this season and looking forward to 5.

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    They should have used most of the characters and side stories as to stretch it more. GRRM is taking his time and the show will catch up without time.

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    last epi was booooornng

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    When I read the Lady Stoneheart twist my jaw hot the floor I hoped the show would do it. Watched the final last night when there was no Stoneheart my jaw dropped it drop twice when Sam's manipulation to help Jon didn't happen or that it showed how Jon got to that position. Then Mance gave up he didn't lead his army in a fantastic fight. I understand we need to get from A to B in the show quicker than the books but I feel these changes ruined parts of the show for me.

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    Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones

    The Lady Stoneheart reveal is great and all, but she has like two scenes in the books. This show never does flashbacks but watching how she came about would make for some great scenes, and a fantastic opener to a new season.
    Last I heard, Season 5 will consist of A Feast for Crows and half of A Dance of Dragons, meaning they think there are two seasons worth of material in what has been published. Which has some interesting character progression but not particularly exciting in terms of drama or entertainment that I think can translate easily to two season's worth of shows.
    Most of the characters we are currently following just don't have enough material to last two seasons. A couple characters are just nearly, if not completely, caught up to the end of DoD already.
    Tyrion and the myriad of characters he meets and intersecting storylines are certainly two seasons worth. Some particular Iron-born characters will require a great deal of screen time. I predict Arya's story to be stretched out to the point of boredom without the assistance of new scenes, which will surely happen.

    Every other character (mostly Dany, Jon, and Jamie) cannot possibly be dragged on for two entire seasons unless the show focuses more on new characters, brand new scenes that never happen in the books- likely with sex and dragons, or progressing beyond DoD.

    Which means: the show, at some point, will spoil the books. Retribution for those who don't read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arpeggi View Post
    The Lady Stoneheart reveal is great and all, but she has like two scenes in the books. This show never does flashbacks but watching how she came about would make for some great scenes, and a fantastic opener to a new season.
    Last I heard, Season 5 will consist of A Feast for Crows and half of A Dance of Dragons, meaning they think there are two seasons worth of material in what has been published. Which has some interesting character progression but not particularly exciting in terms of drama or entertainment that I think can translate easily to two season's worth of shows.
    Most of the characters we are currently following just don't have enough material to last two seasons. A couple characters are just nearly, if not completely, caught up to the end of DoD already.
    Tyrion and the myriad of characters he meets and intersecting storylines are certainly two seasons worth. Some particular Iron-born characters will require a great deal of screen time. I predict Arya's story to be stretched out to the point of boredom without the assistance of new scenes, which will surely happen.

    Every other character (mostly Dany, Jon, and Jamie) cannot possibly be dragged on for two entire seasons unless the show focuses more on new characters, brand new scenes that never happen in the books- likely with sex and dragons, or progressing beyond DoD.

    Which means: the show, at some point, will spoil the books. Retribution for those who don't read.
    I agree with you.. The 4th season is already about A Feast for Crows AND A Dance with Dragons. The thing is, we see alot more stuff about King's Landing (Lannisters, Tyrell...), the Ironborn and brienne story in A Feast for Crows, and we see more stuff about Bran, Daenerys (Free Cities), Tyrion, Jon (things going on in the north), Stannis and Arya in A Dance with Dragons. Both the things that happen in the 4th and the 5th book happen at the same time mostly, until the end of ADWD.

    I don't know about the 5th season, considering, for example, that Bran story is on par in the books and in the show.. He discovers the three eyed crow, learn a bit about how to use his magic and that's it.... To continue his story they kind of need the 6th book to be published...

    Sorry about my english, it's not my first language.

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    That parody was pretty awful.

    Is anybody else still watching the series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    That parody was pretty awful.

    Is anybody else still watching the series?
    Some major departures from the books this season. Most of them I'm okay with and think HBO is doing a good job reasonably innovating.

    The exception is the pitiful Dorne sequences which come across like old Star Trek episodes...the sand vipers could be painted green and the action perpetrated by Captain Kirk.

    By contrast, I like what they're doing up in Winterfell. The Sansa story has become gripping. I'm curious to hear anyone's opinion on the rape scene. I thought it was in keeping with the series, but of course there's a lot of buzz about it.

    Also, wish there was more Arya in every episode. I think her time serving the Faceless God could be drawn out with some more shorter sequences to illustrate the depth of her work there.
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    The exception is the pitiful Dorne sequences which come across like old Star Trek episodes...the sand vipers could be painted green and the action perpetrated by Captain Kirk.
    The Dorne sequences look like no-budget classical Doctor Who episodes.

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    Wow that was quite an episode this week (5-08, "Hardhome"). Every season has that one episode that stands out far ahead of the rest. This was that one for this season. This was even possibly the best of the series. Every scene was delicious fan service. Even more amazing, no major characters were killed off to accomplish this.

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    This week's episode (5-09, "The Dance of Dragons") was quite intense and action-filled in its own right. I wonder if and how they're going to top that up in the next, last episode of the season. I can think of one 'dramatic' occurrence in the books that would be excellent for the last episode, and one new character that might be introduced as a hook for the new season.

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    What do you think would make for a good finale Harke? I haven't read the books but I'm sort of familiar with a lot of the stuff that happens. I have a few suspicions about Jon Snow's fate next week.

    I don't know how I feel about this season on the whole. I feel like since they've started writing their own story off-book now, they've been relying too heavily on 'shocking' or 'controversial' scenes to keep people interested :\ Some stuff has totally worked; the Hardhome episode was incredible, but other stuff I've felt was just unnecessary and kind of put me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightofhunters View Post
    What do you think would make for a good finale Harke? I haven't read the books but I'm sort of familiar with a lot of the stuff that happens. I have a few suspicions about Jon Snow's fate next week.
    The trial of Cersei, Loras and Margaery has a development in it worthy of a finale.

    I had to look up what happened to Jon in the books in (SPOILERS!)this wiki(/SPOILERS!) because I didn't remember and he has at least one cliffhanger coming that the tv series could use, without having to invent new stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    The trial of Cersei, Loras and Margaery has a development in it worthy of a finale.

    I had to look up what happened to Jon in the books in (SPOILERS!)this wiki(/SPOILERS!) because I didn't remember and he has at least one cliffhanger coming that the tv series could use, without having to invent new stuff.
    I think I know what's coming for Cersei and I think that'll be the sort of scene this season has been missing. I don't actually know much more about the Tyrell's but this season has really put me off with the stupid levels of homophobia...

    I think that the young boy Oliver is gonna pull some shit with Jon in the finale :\ Something big is definitely gonna happen. He'll be fine though... I think...

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    Hmmm. They kinda went back to the books for the finale. Next season will be interesting since they have pretty much used all of his material.

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    Stannis sure slammed to a full stop quickly. One minute he might be a reasonable outcome in the North, the next minute you hate him and cheer his death.

    I'm hoping the books genuinely depart from the HBO series now...the more different, the better.

    Which isn't to say I haven't enjoyed the series. Aside from Dorne, it's great.

    It's going to be a long wait...but we're all used to that, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoltanspawn View Post
    Stannis sure slammed to a full stop quickly. One minute he might be a reasonable outcome in the North, the next minute you hate him and cheer his death.

    I'm hoping the books genuinely depart from the HBO series now...the more different, the better.

    Which isn't to say I haven't enjoyed the series. Aside from Dorne, it's great.

    It's going to be a long wait...but we're all used to that, I suppose.
    whaaat they killed stannis off??

    oh i thought kalisi was going to die, i guess thats next season according to this site i read from

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    Ssstupid! Ssstupid! Sssand Sssnakesss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    Ssstupid! Ssstupid! Sssand Sssnakesss!
    They were so disappointing But I felt the season as a whole was a bit of a mess and a big letdown. The only part of it I've really enjoyed was the plot with Jon Snow, the Night's Watch, and the White Walkers.

    I knew about the cliffhanger from the book though. I can't wait to see how it plays out, I'm a little nervous. But I think Jon will be back somehow.

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    The whole Dorne thing was flat. There was nothing happening there that was of any interest. The Sand Snakes were subdued and Bronn and Jamie were left ok, only the princess died on the way home. Blah.

    I was disappointed that they didn't return to Margaery and Loris and let us know what was happening with them and Lady Oleanna ended up beng put down by Cercei and The High Sparrow. Hate these religious groups. Period!!!!

    Sansa dropping the barrel opener after she got the door open. She could have used that to butcher and splay that asshole whore of Ramsay's, we got to see Theon come alive and push that bitch to hell.
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