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    Subterranean oceans?

    Scientists have proven the existence of a rock strata beneath the crust of the earth made of a substance called ringwoodite. The mineral exists largely only at great depths and pressures but it has the interesting characteristic that it can bind and hold lots of hydrogen in the form of water.

    Up until now it seems scientists didn't really know where all that water on the Earth's surface came from, the prevailing theory was that it fell to Earth on icy meteorites and such. But the existence of this subsurface water storing rock now suggests that the water actually came from the Earth itself, being released as ringwoodite was raised towards the surface and melted. What is even more interesting is the scientists are saying this layer of ringwoodite could hold up to THREE TIMES the water that is on the surface!

    I'm just waiting for some religious theorists to point to this as the mythical source of the waters for the great flood.

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    It will be our fault when it does happen

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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    so earth alweady wataed
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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    Comets and asteroids certainly also brought a good deal of water, but the vastness of the oceans do indicate it just couldn't have all come from outside Earth. Very interesting discovery, the things alone we still are learning about our own world seems astounding.... the more we think we know the more we find out things can take such wild new directions!
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    Yes, this world is full of secrets way beyond our understanding. Great read. Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardreamer View Post
    .... I'm just waiting for some religious theorists to point to this as the mythical source of the waters for the great flood. ....
    Well, we at last know where the water went.

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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Comets and asteroids certainly also brought a good deal of water, but the vastness of the oceans do indicate it just couldn't have all come from outside Earth. Very interesting discovery, the things alone we still are learning about our own world seems astounding.... the more we think we know the more we find out things can take such wild new directions!
    I want to know if the way it got there is a process that would also have occurred on Mars -- if so, all the water anyone could need might already be waiting on Mars.

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    A giant wet sponge is more like it. Makes more sense than isy comets resulting in water.

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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    Quote Originally Posted by nyctopgam View Post
    A giant wet sponge is more like it. Makes more sense than isy comets resulting in water.
    Well, we know that comets did bring water; it's just stretching things to think they brought all of it -- that would require more comet impact activity than looks like there actually was.

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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Well, we know that comets did bring water; it's just stretching things to think they brought all of it -- that would require more comet impact activity than looks like there actually was.
    We know Jupiter is a gas giant planet... I've always assumed that when the planets in our solar system formed, earth happened to have an abundance of hydrogen and oxygen gasses.
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    Incredible. What a great read for first thing on a Sunday morning.

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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

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    No, it might need an earthquake to bring that water to the surface. Then it would be San Andreas Fault.
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    No no no!! The water came from the protective fermament layer or whatever it was called. Praise Jesus!!

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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    It is an interesting theory, if controversial. There is a possibility that the inclusion is a local phenomenon and not universally true in the mantel: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture13080.html

    As for the disparagement of the comet model, I'm not sure it matters so greatly due to the general accretion of the planetary material. It seems a bit specific to decided comet theory is weak or wrong but shift to another model that accepts that the same matter could have arrived the same way the rest of the stardust in our orb accreted. That said, of course science is by necessity built upon specificity. At the moment, this theory is as yet developing so may have so nascent blind spots. Until they get the boring vehicle from Jules Verne back up and working, we're basing a lot on indirect readings.

    To the snarky religious reference to the Noah account, there is always a possibility that ancient writs retain some Jungian collective memory, but that falls flat when considering that a) this ringwoodite theory isn't proven even now, and b) there was no life, human or otherwise present when the waters were originally freed upon the surface. The Genesis narrative includes the passage "the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened," but the meaning of "great deep" would not conjure up imaginings of the planet's mantle among a people with no imagining of the mantle. Rivers and springs come from below the surface sometimes, so it seems natural that the account would speak to the sources of water as the ancients knew them.

    Seeing science as embattled with religion ignores the great body of humanity that does not see the two as rivals. It seems even more odd to find a scientific-minded man eager to argue that position than it does to find the Fundamentalist who does. Both are marginal in the groups they represent.
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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    No, it might need an earthquake to bring that water to the surface. Then it would be San Andreas Fault.
    As the model for ringwoodite shows the water to be bound in rock, not free, presumably the water was freed only via volcanic and similar activity which would suggest the water vapor was released, not flowing water. Like all such megatheory, one would postulate the release of water to the surface began as vapor released with heat over a very long period of time until an atmosphere saturated and condensation began.

    That part of the theory is interesting, but I did not see any web pages speaking to that aspect.

    I guess it's possible that magma released water in subsurface deposits as it moved nearer to the crust, and those deposits may have erupted in geyser fashion or merely as springs and rivers.

    Great for imagining this. Ironically, I shall be visiting Niagara Falls this morning. This theory couldn't arise at a better time, raising the question of water's source as I contemplate the grandeur of God's creation (and the manipulation by the power management authorities of Ontario and New York.)

    Even more ironic, I am staying at a bed and breakfast in Ft. Erie where the water is from a well, but not potable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix View Post
    We know Jupiter is a gas giant planet... I've always assumed that when the planets in our solar system formed, earth happened to have an abundance of hydrogen and oxygen gasses.
    Just a few years ago I would have explained how gas giants form in a certain region and rocky planets closer in, and the rocky ones have to get their gases delivered to them because their atmospheres get blown away by the hot young star...

    but with all the discoveries of planets in the "wrong" places around stars . . . I don't know any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    As the model for ringwoodite shows the water to be bound in rock, not free, presumably the water was freed only via volcanic and similar activity which would suggest the water vapor was released, not flowing water. Like all such megatheory, one would postulate the release of water to the surface began as vapor released with heat over a very long period of time until an atmosphere saturated and condensation began.

    That part of the theory is interesting, but I did not see any web pages speaking to that aspect.
    Planetary formation for rocky worlds was always presented as though any volatiles would have been baked out or freed due to impacts as material accumulated. This suggests that the process wasn't so straightforward or catastrophic.

    What warps my mind is that most of that water is present as hydroxide actually dissolved in the ringwoodite -- in other words, the rock is a solvent WRT to hydroxide!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    I guess it's possible that magma released water in subsurface deposits as it moved nearer to the crust, and those deposits may have erupted in geyser fashion or merely as springs and rivers.
    Or, early on, a great deal would have come out through volcanism, with the hot hydroxide turning to water and oxygen, both of which 'fueled' the formation of our life-supporting atmosphere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dejavudoo View Post
    Great for imagining this. Ironically, I shall be visiting Niagara Falls this morning. This theory couldn't arise at a better time, raising the question of water's source as I contemplate the grandeur of God's creation (and the manipulation by the power management authorities of Ontario and New York.)

    Even more ironic, I am staying at a bed and breakfast in Ft. Erie where the water is from a well, but not potable.
    LOL

    Thanks to Monsanto and their ilk, wells with non-potable water are becoming more common.

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    Re: Subterranean oceans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Thanks to Monsanto and their ilk, wells with non-potable water are becoming more common.
    Like mine. I don't really know what's in my yellow water, but I assume RoundUp and all kinds of stuff like that. It does NOT have a sulfur smell, nor an iron taste. I'm entirely surrounded by agriculture.

    I always drink water from the supermarket (in refillable gallon jugs, rather than buying it bottled in oceans of plastic), and I don't even like taking showers any more than necessary because whatever is in my water can get absorbed through wet skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Like mine. I don't really know what's in my yellow water, but I assume RoundUp and all kinds of stuff like that. It does NOT have a sulfur smell, nor an iron taste. I'm entirely surrounded by agriculture.

    I always drink water from the supermarket (in refillable gallon jugs, rather than buying it bottled in oceans of plastic), and I don't even like taking showers any more than necessary because whatever is in my water can get absorbed through wet skin.
    For piece of mind, why not get it tested? Surely it can't be that expensive to have done. It could just be old pipes.
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