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    Gay characters on TV. WHAT THE HELL?

    So, the representation of gay male characters on TV is really quite sad as of late.
    Even when there is a gay male character; it barely registers as a human being, rather they serve as a plot twist or some kind of thing to be destroyed.

    These characters are portrayed in such negative ways, greedy, self-destructive, vain, weak-minded, and usually viewed as a sexual deviant.

    So, it must be perceived that the producers of these shows are telling us that they are deserving of a death that is horribly gruesome. I know that this pleases a certain homophobic demographic.

    I am particularly disappointed with genre shows which should be a place that would ordinarily celebrate diversity and encourage the idea but no. Something has changed, a dramatic shift against the grain.

    I remember the bitching and accusations being thrown around the Doctor Who forums about Russell T. Davies so called "gay agenda". Since his departure from the genre, Russell has been relegated to running kids' series, which is a good thing. His replacement has pretty much stayed within the square box set by the pre-dominantly straight male/female fan base.

    The recent Who series now rarely goes into the realm that Russell didn't mind going to. I loved that he was brave enough to go there to show that the universe was bigger than what people perceived as normal, the series itself now feels small and will be dated in years to come. Moffat wants to take the TARDIS back to 1960s era, including its old fashioned ideals. Enjoy!

    Sure, Davies was not the best writer but he brought gay characters to the genre and made them equally interesting and powerful as their straight allies/peers.

    I've tried to watch recent shows and I do enjoy some of them without the need to focus on having someone who is gay but when they introduce the idea of a gay character, it tends to fall into that square box.

    So lately;

    I've tuned out from Game of Thrones, its becoming very clear that there is nothing here for me as a gay viewer. There are no strong gay male characters here or will likely ever be.
    *I've never read the books so I have no idea what may be in store or whether a gay character comes along who is just as redeemable as some of the other characters, but I really don't care anymore.

    Moving on;
    The Walking Dead universe does not seem to have any strong gay characters that I've yet to see. Even if it did, it would mostly likely be a lesbian character which is fine and dandy, its safe and more acceptable to most viewers which leads me to.

    True Blood has teased gay or homoerotic undertones but at this point, meh. I've stopped watching after series 5, I've yet to see series 6. Even with enjoyable characters like Pam and Eric, I have no real burning desire to watch it any further.

    Da Vinci's Demons had me intrigued until more information came out about its storyline.
    I still gave it a chance, but its absurd in a way that Doctor Who felt like under Davies run "it was fresh and campy". The sexual elements almost play like Torchwood but again, the producers decided that Leonardo is more of a man when he is bisexual or omni-sexual.

    Other than that gay show Looking, which isn't really genre, its Sex and The City meets Queer as Folk. I want more than just guys hooking up and getting sexy, its fun until you get bored with the nudity and endless bed hopping.

    There is not a lot for a gay geek to enjoy.

    I also find that the geek community is not as open-minded or accepting of diversity as they claim to be.
    In forums, I have encountered hate filled personalities who hate the idea of a strong gay character. The idea of it is almost impossible for them to believe.

    You also have the middle of the road types who barter that the character be bisexual which itself is alright until they explain that the character is somehow more of a man that way. (:O

    Anyway, my rant ends here.

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    I've been saying this forever, and people have just laughed in my face saying "haha, you're exaggerating". But the fact is.. I'm not. We currently have about 40-50 shows with lesbian characters. The same number for shows featuring gays is 8. That's EIGHT.

    The worst thing is not JUST that there's so few gay characters, it's that a) they're often stereotypes or b) barely there or c) celibate or d) stereotypes, barely there AND celibate (Modern Family scores 2 out of 3).

    If you want to see a glaring difference between lesbian and gay characters.. just check the difference in new shows, there's hardly ANY gay characters in ANY of the new shows, yet there's lesbians abound. Also check out the difference in depiction. Lesbians get to kiss, love and have sex. Just look at Game of Thrones. I REFUSE to watch the show because of the disgusting double standard and treatment of gay characters compared to lesbians. Basically.. you have lesbian soft core porn in the background of EVERY motherfucking scene. We talk NAKED women, fully making out. The gay men had to fucking wear pants whenn they supposedly were having sex!!!! And they cut away very fast too, it doesn't even come close to the explicitness of lesbian sex. There's currently only ONE show that has managed to depict gays in a real way, complex, with emotions, and they didn't even shy away from gay sex! It's the only show (except from QAF and Looking) where gay sex was actually seen!

    Also check out sci-fi shows/shows based on comic books.. there's a TON of lesbian characters, on Arrow, Supernatural, Once Upon a Time, Gotham, Agents of Shield and Orphan Black. We only have ONE gay character on Orphan Black, he's really just a side character, and he's stereotypical. We did have a barely there, celibate gay on Warehouse 13, but that show is over now, so yeah. The producer of the show wanted us to pat him on the back for just including a gay character! I'm like fuck no.. if you don't feel like introducing a real gay character, don't bother adding one at all. That's just insulting.

    Truth is.. I bet there's more gay guys into comic books then lesbians (the macho super hero image, we've all grown up with it). And I know lots of gay guys are into comic books, both young and older. That's why it's weird that gay men are not depicted at all in the CBM universe. After all, they seem to have no trouble with the lesbians. Unfortunely for us, many of the CBM fans are straight and homophobic. They have no issue with lesbians, obviously, they turn them on. They do however have an issue with gay characters. That's why you'll hardly ever see gay characters added to show with a predominately straight male audience, they're afraid to alienate them. And I mean.. why would they? They can get away with being seen as gay friendly by just adding the "L" to their shows and forget about the rest. It's disgusting, offensive and insulting.

    The problem we have today is that producers think they can add only lesbians and get away with it. They get to introduce one of the letters in our acronym, they get to be seen as "edgy" and "gay friendly" introducing lesbians, when fact is they're not. There's very little risk involved adding lesbian characters because straight guys love them, and women usually have nothing against them. Just look at the producers today.. they introduce lesbians and everyone hail them for being coragous and gay friendly and edgy and what not. There's a lesbian on most if not all major tv shows today. Even gay producers themselves are hypocrites (hello Kevin Williamson, writer of Vampire Diaries!!!).

    Then again.. the major issue is not producers who are afraid to add gay characters, or even that male viewers are homophobic. It goes deeper. It's the fact that lesbians are more accepted in society. Then again.. it's an evil circle. acceptence in society will never increase unless they see us depicted in a real way on tv. But that won't happen until gays are more accepted in society. You see the predicament here? It's very difficult.

    I've almost lost all hope. I see lesbians being introduced to all these amazing tv shows, criticall acclaimed ones too. And gays just have to be happy with the crap we've got.. like The Nigh Shift. I never would have watched that shit unless it had a gay character. The show is AWFUL, yet it's one of very few gay characters on tv right now so I watch. See.. why do we have to settle while the lesbians get all the fun? It's so unfair! I sorta understand it (lesbians are more accepted), but it still doesn't make it ok.

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    Two ladies getting hot and heavy.......... MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM closeups!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Two guys getting it on....... REALLY tread carefully and move aftersex or out of scene entirely asap!!!!!!!!!!

    It really is for the most part, too... maybe Looking is superficial, but guys getting off together doesn't get short shrift. Sokker was right in her rant in the closeted stars thread and here in response to spooky, a gay guy bringing it up. It would be nice if sex were just one of the focuses... a person isan't just defined by how they get off. But honest treatment of gays require a more honest look at how they relate physically and emotionally... not just all out sex, but affection or contact or connection of any kind. On True Blood, written and created by a GAY man ... girls get it on with impunity, dudes having it signal something psychologically whacked out or sinister and someone comes to a bad end, or it's just teased about. Game of Thrones... same shit writ larger. Sokker, nothing to be sorry about. Things have come far but yet still have much more to go at least regarding how the male side of being gay is related in the media.
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    Re: Gay characters on TV. WHAT THE HELL?

    No problem... sokker.

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    Sausy... as a sci-fi/genre loving geek, I want gay characters that are on equal footing with their straight/bi/lesbian allies/enemies once again.
    I haven't seen that since Torchwood which I miss very much.

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    True. But if you think about it lots of TV characters are stereotyped.

    I wish there was a kickass gay character on TV too though. I tried to get into Torchwood but I just couldn't.
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    In my opinion, Shameless has the best gay characters of any show still running right now. They're just as messed up as any other character on the show and they're depicted as just as sexual as any other character on the ****** It's nice to see gay characters that aren't treated any differently than the straight characters

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    Hope the writing is going well Spooky Any examples to share ? Cheers, GH

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    One of the most respected members of Law and Order SVU is gay George Huang who is played by BD Wong...also gay. I have noted him before many times in the past in similar topics but it seems that people will dismiss and ignore him....I have a few guesses why but I will skip it as it isn't hard to figure out.
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    Re: Gay characters on TV. WHAT THE HELL?

    eastofeden, I was talking about genre shows like sci-fi, horror, etc. I'm a professed fan of that type of TV.
    I haven't seen much of Law and Order as they are all too familiar to one another but I am quite sure that it is entertaining.
    As for BD Wong, I am familiar with his work on Oz.
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    Yeah...I guess in that genre it is hard to find decent gay characters......
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    Indeed... anyway. Is that Chris Meloni? If so, I may have to check this series out. I knew that he was in one of the Law and Order so I must check this one out for sure. As for BD, I enjoyed him immensely on OZ, and he is always fun to watch. I would love to see him in a genre show someday but I guess that would never happen. Probably not big news but he is in the next Jurassic Park movie, which counts as genre.

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    Hi greyhorse,

    not for awhile I'm afraid but I wouldn't mind an editor to fix all my grammatical mishaps and general mish mash when I get something I am fairly happy with. I have too many ideas at the moment, I keep jumping from one idea to the other and then another. When that happens I usually end up burnt out and feeling uninspired for a long time. I will take some time off this fall to try and finish up at least one of these ideas.

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    There used to be some fantastic ones on doctor who til Steven Moffat took over.

    At least there are still some shows, mostly british, that have good gay characters

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    Quote Originally Posted by spooky View Post
    Indeed... anyway. Is that Chris Meloni? If so, I may have to check this series out. I knew that he was in one of the Law and Order so I must check this one out for sure. As for BD, I enjoyed him immensely on OZ, and he is always fun to watch. I would love to see him in a genre show someday but I guess that would never happen. Probably not big news but he is in the next Jurassic Park movie, which counts as genre.
    Yeah...that is Chris Meloni...he was on for many years...the other former OZ cast members have included Schillinger and Ryan O'Reilly (Dean Winters)...I think all the rest of them guest star at one time or another (I loved OZ)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Two ladies getting hot and heavy.......... MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM closeups!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Two guys getting it on....... REALLY tread carefully and move aftersex or out of scene entirely asap!!!!!!!!!!

    It really is for the most part, too... maybe Looking is superficial, but guys getting off together doesn't get short shrift. Sokker was right in her rant in the closeted stars thread and here in response to spooky, a gay guy bringing it up. It would be nice if sex were just one of the focuses... a person isan't just defined by how they get off. But honest treatment of gays require a more honest look at how they relate physically and emotionally... not just all out sex, but affection or contact or connection of any kind. On True Blood, written and created by a GAY man ... girls get it on with impunity, dudes having it signal something psychologically whacked out or sinister and someone comes to a bad end, or it's just teased about. Game of Thrones... same shit writ larger. Sokker, nothing to be sorry about. Things have come far but yet still have much more to go at least regarding how the male side of being gay is related in the media.
    I'm happy so many of you here agree with me. Seriously, I've said this on other gay websites, and they just laughed, said I was exaggerating and/or hating on lesbians. Let me just say right away that I really am happy for the lesbians. I'm happy they get representation, that they're depicted in a real way on tv. That still doesn't excuse the producers for ignoring gay characters. It's not like I want LESS lesbians on tv. I just want EQUAL amount of gay characters and lesbian characters. Right now the number is about 10:1 favoring lesbians. That's what I think is unfair. We need more gay characters, not less lesbian characters. I hope I'm making myself understood here, it's kinda hard to explain

    The thing is, and I'll just try to make myself short, since I've already mentioned this. It's not only the fact that there's MORE lesbian characters on tv, it's the way gays are desexualized compared to straight and lesbian characters. Had the few gay characters on tv actually been depicted in a real way, then ok.. maybe I wouldn't have been so negative. But they're not. That's the whole point. They fall into one of three categories, a) barely there 2) celibate 3) stereotypical. This NEEDS TO STOP.

    Quote Originally Posted by domx13 View Post
    In my opinion, Shameless has the best gay characters of any show still running right now. They're just as messed up as any other character on the show and they're depicted as just as sexual as any other character on the ****** It's nice to see gay characters that aren't treated any differently than the straight characters
    Yes! Thank you. That was the one show I was talking about (in addition to Looking and QAF) that actually got gay characters right. I just forgot to mention the show's name Ian and Mickey are complex characters, they're real, have their issues, and it's not only about them being gay either. Rather we see them as human beings in a relationship, and that relationship even consists of sex! IMAGINE THAT! Shameless is doing almost everything right. I don't have many complaints. I only wish they'd give them more screen time. That's probably my only beef with the ****** But by all means, it's a good show, don't get me wrong. I like it a lot
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    I haven't seen much of Shameless and don't really know the characters well enough but I did see an episode where finally the closeted character admitted being gay.. not only to his lover but in front of a whole bar and got beat up pretty badly for his troubles, but was finally glad to be himself and not hide anymore in the closet. Very raw, disturbing but honest scene and I should watch more... lol I was wondering the one other show you meant, sokker ... was going to write you forgot to name it but domx named the ******

    Yep, spooky.... equal footing would be great to see not only it that genre but every one.
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    Well.. at least this looks good. And the gay couple is hot as hell!


    youtube.com/watch?v=dBzu_jKLJek
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    I'm surpriised no one has mentioned American Horror Story yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    I'm surpriised no one has mentioned American Horror Story yet.
    Why would we? It only had two minor gay characters the first season. The others seasons had lesbians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    I'm surpriised no one has mentioned American Horror Story yet.
    The series is an anthology series and even then, the gay characters were minor side stories, hardly the focus of the ******
    That first season had a gay couple who couldn't keep it together and then they died in horrible ways and one of them was even violated upon death. What was it, a bat stuck up his ass or something?! Can't really remember, I just rolled my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    I haven't seen much of Shameless and don't really know the characters well enough but I did see an episode where finally the closeted character admitted being gay.. not only to his lover but in front of a whole bar and got beat up pretty badly for his troubles, but was finally glad to be himself and not hide anymore in the closet. Very raw, disturbing but honest scene and I should watch more... lol I was wondering the one other show you meant, sokker ... was going to write you forgot to name it but domx named the ******

    Yep, spooky.... equal footing would be great to see not only it that genre but every one.
    Am gonna check out this show Shameless.

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    Penny dreadful has some good gay characters doesn't it? I haven't seen it yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    Penny dreadful has some good gay characters doesn't it? I haven't seen it yet
    Not really.. the gay characters are only minor characters.
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    There was an interesting gay storyline on Masters of Sex - not the main plot though. But I thought it was pretty good! Kinda tragic and sad to watch how difficult it was back then to be gay...

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    I know, and come on, I doubt introducing a strong gay character will hurt any of the popular shows that are on TV. I mean have you SEEN all the shipping? Fangirls would back up a strong gay lead 100%, so I don't see the reasoning behind not having one :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaKennyBody View Post
    I know, and come on, I doubt introducing a strong gay character will hurt any of the popular shows that are on TV. I mean have you SEEN all the shipping? Fangirls would back up a strong gay lead 100%, so I don't see the reasoning behind not having one :/
    Unpopular opinion, but I think shipping is what has destroyed gay tv in recent years. I think it's made it easier for producers to just add some hugs and looks here and there, aka "homoeroticism" without adding any actual gay characters, and get away with it. Why add gay characters when you can have only straight characters and have the fangirls swollow it up? I mean.. just look at Teen Wolf. OK, so the show has a minor gay character, but still.. that character is so minor you often forget he's on. That show was made popular exactly because of the shipping culture. Why would the producer risk anything by giving more screen time to the gay character when he can make the fangirls happy just by having Stiles and Derek share some scenes together?

    The shipping culture, combined with lesbianism going mainstream, is what has lead to the death of gay (male) characters on tv. Just my opinion.
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    That's an interesting point. I hadn't thought of that. I guess it's the same with kpop

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    I want to see characters again like Omar from the Wire who is a Drug dealer, gangster etcetera and is gay. He's not a nurse, make up artist, fashion designer, hairdresser etc he doesn't have a hag and doesn't tell women what the should wear. I cheered when I first saw this type of gay character he said we can be this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Queer View Post
    I want to see characters again like Omar from the Wire who is a Drug dealer, gangster etcetera and is gay. He's not a nurse, make up artist, fashion designer, hairdresser etc he doesn't have a hag and doesn't tell women what the should wear. I cheered when I first saw this type of gay character he said we can be this too.
    I agree. I want to see real, complex gay characters. Not stereotypes. It has gotten better in the last few years, but right now it's definitely at a low point. I want to see more characters like Omar from the Wire. He was badass. More gay badass characters like him would be awesome! They'd even get an extra point if it was in sci-fi or CBM tv shows. Heck.. I'd even be happy with more guys like Max from Happy Ednings. He wasn't badass, he was just normal. They even joked about how NOT gay he was! He didn't care about fashion, or much about appearance at all. He was lazy and into sports.. loved to eat. I found that a nice change from what you normally see of gay characters on tv. BTW.. I really miss Happy Endings They cancelled it too soon! It was a great ******
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    I loved Max in Happy Endings and the ****** He broke the mould.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sokker View Post
    I agree. I want to see real, complex gay characters. Not stereotypes. It has gotten better in the last few years, but right now it's definitely at a low point. I want to see more characters like Omar from the Wire. He was badass. More gay badass characters like him would be awesome! They'd even get an extra point if it was in sci-fi or CBM tv shows. Heck.. I'd even be happy with more guys like Max from Happy Ednings. He wasn't badass, he was just normal. They even joked about how NOT gay he was! He didn't care about fashion, or much about appearance at all. He was lazy and into sports.. loved to eat. I found that a nice change from what you normally see of gay characters on tv. BTW.. I really miss Happy Endings They cancelled it too soon! It was a great ******
    I don't mind having gays portrayed in some of the "stereotypical" situations because many do gravitate towards that kind of persona or field but many don't as well, so it's wonderful to have portrayals as well of gay characters who don't fit the stereotypes and are visible and represented. Andre Braugher in Andy Samberg's comedy cop show , Brooklyn 99 or something like that... he plays his boss and his being gay is pretty much treated as a matter of fact, but there isn't any stereotypical behavior. Has won a lot of praise for that portrayal and he is an actor with great dramatic gravitas from previous roles in the movies and television.
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    I forgot about this character Jinx in Warehouse 13 was the same, he was accepted for his sexuality by the team. Don't get me wrong his love life issues got me but truth be told no character really had a love life and if and when they did it wasn't in your face taking screen time up.
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    I really loved Captain Jack Harkness when he was introduced in Doctor Who, but I never got into Torchwood.

    I wouldn't dismiss Felix on Orphan Black. He may not be the main character, but he's pretty important, he's smart, funny, has agency, and is overall pretty cool.

    I love Ser Loras on Game of Thrones, but I wish he had a bigger role. But I read the books, where he's actually even less important than in the adaption.

    Btw, I'm not trying to disprove your point or anything... just listing some gay male characters off the top of my head that I enjoy.
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    ^
    I forgot about this character Jinx in Warehouse 13 was the same, he was accepted for his sexuality by the team. Don't get me wrong his love life issues got me but truth be told no character really had a love life and if and when they did it wasn't in your face taking screen time up.
    I agree, that no character on that show really had a private life.. or you didn't get to see much of it. That said, I still think it was a cop out. Here they had an excellent chance to actually depict a gay character in a real way.. with a love life. They didn't. Sure.. he was gay, the rest of the team took it well, they even mentioned he had a boyfriend, and made a few jokes. All of that is good, don't get me wrong.. but I'd STILL like to see more of it. But alas.. it never happened. I don't want to be too harsh though, because honestly.. at least they tried. It's a start. They deserve major credit for that. And considering all the vitrol this character sparked online from homophobic bigots, especially on IMdB, I can see why shows like W13 never get gay characters, only lesbians. Adding gay characters is just too much of a controversy. Truth is the comic book geeks are actually quite homophobic. They don't have anything against lesbians, of course.. because they get turned on. But gay men? MAJOR issues. Sadly.

    And btw.. I stand by what I said. There's still more lesbians in CBM shows on tv, like Once Upon a Time, Agents of SHIELD, The Walking Dead, Arrow, Supernatural, Gotham.. and the list goes on and on and on. The ONLY gay character (as in male) we've ever had in such a show is Steve Jinks. I don't count Torchwood, because that wasn't really a mainstream ******

    So yeah.. we still have a LONG way to go before full equality. Sad fact is lesbians are more accepted in society, research shows it. Hence why it's easier to depict them on tv. I don't think we'll ever have as many gay characters as lesbians. That said.. what we have now is a new low. I've never seen this few gay characters on tv. And it doesn't help that the only shows adding gay characters are so crappy that they get cancelled right away, sigh
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    OK.. I just started watching Tyrant and it's actually REALLY good. Also, the son is gay. So that's a bonus
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    Just a heads up.. there's a new gay storyline on the VH1 show Hit the Floor. Here's a gif:

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    Two ladies getting hot and heavy.......... MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM closeups!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Just a heads up.. there's a new gay storyline on the VH1 show Hit the Floor. Here's a gif:

    hmmm something is up, they are sure including a lot of gay characters on TV nowadays

    i wonder if this is worth watching. I bet they wont show nudity like they do the other hetero relationships.

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    Honestly I have no problem relating to straight characters and enjoying shows that don't have any gay characters on them. That being said it's hard to think of real solid good examples of gay characters in current media.

    I would say check out Looking. It's not my favorite show by far but Patrick is the closest the media has ever gotten to writing a gay character who is like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfan View Post
    Honestly I have no problem relating to straight characters and enjoying shows that don't have any gay characters on them. That being said it's hard to think of real solid good examples of gay characters in current media.

    I would say check out Looking. It's not my favorite show by far but Patrick is the closest the media has ever gotten to writing a gay character who is like me.
    I agree with you about relating to straight characters. I can relate to male characters who are straight and characters who may not have the same skin colour or ethnicity as me, I can relate to female characters in certain ways too. We forget that we are human and have the same things going on in our lives that others do too. But at the end of the day we need diversity on our screens.
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    I really loved Captain Jack Harkness when he was introduced in Doctor Who, but I never got into Torchwood.
    I have a sneaking suspicion that the character is based on the American soldier from The Naked Civil Servant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sokker View Post
    Just a heads up.. there's a new gay storyline on the VH1 show Hit the Floor. Here's a gif:

    I am a huge fan of "Hit the Floor" the creator/headwriter is gay. I have hopes this story will be featured prominently. So far, they are only hooking up. It was a very hot scene. The guy on the left is model Adam Senn he plays "Zero" pro basketball player. The guy on the right is Brent Antonello (Jude) he is his sports agent. Here is the scene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenmoth View Post
    There used to be some fantastic ones on doctor who til Steven Moffat took over.

    At least there are still some shows, mostly british, that have good gay characters
    the BBC series "In the Flesh" has a gay character as the lead. That is a family drama about cured zombies returning to society.

    Penny Dreadful had Dorian Gray who is omnisexual. He even made out with the lead character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sokker View Post
    I agree, that no character on that show really had a private life.. or you didn't get to see much of it. That said, I still think it was a cop out. Here they had an excellent chance to actually depict a gay character in a real way.. with a love life. They didn't. Sure.. he was gay, the rest of the team took it well, they even mentioned he had a boyfriend, and made a few jokes. All of that is good, don't get me wrong.. but I'd STILL like to see more of it. But alas.. it never happened. I don't want to be too harsh though, because honestly.. at least they tried. It's a start. They deserve major credit for that. And considering all the vitrol this character sparked online from homophobic bigots, especially on IMdB, I can see why shows like W13 never get gay characters, only lesbians. Adding gay characters is just too much of a controversy. Truth is the comic book geeks are actually quite homophobic. They don't have anything against lesbians, of course.. because they get turned on. But gay men? MAJOR issues. Sadly.

    And btw.. I stand by what I said. There's still more lesbians in CBM shows on tv, like Once Upon a Time, Agents of SHIELD, The Walking Dead, Arrow, Supernatural, Gotham.. and the list goes on and on and on. The ONLY gay character (as in male) we've ever had in such a show is Steve Jinks. I don't count Torchwood, because that wasn't really a mainstream ******

    So yeah.. we still have a LONG way to go before full equality. Sad fact is lesbians are more accepted in society, research shows it. Hence why it's easier to depict them on tv. I don't think we'll ever have as many gay characters as lesbians. That said.. what we have now is a new low. I've never seen this few gay characters on tv. And it doesn't help that the only shows adding gay characters are so crappy that they get cancelled right away, sigh
    Ridiculous. Most new shows get cancelled. It's not just shows with gay characters. Also, how can you attack a show like Gotham which hasn't even premiered yet?
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    /And btw.. I stand by what I said. There's still more lesbians in CBM shows on tv, like Once Upon a Time, Agents of SHIELD, The Walking Dead, Arrow, Supernatural, Gotham.. and the list goes on and on and on. The ONLY gay character (as in male) we've ever had in such a show is Steve Jinks. I don't count Torchwood, because that wasn't really a mainstream ******
    This I have to take issue with. There is a higher representation of lesbians but to say Jinx is the ONLY gay character we've EVER had these kinds of shows is a gross exaggeration. Sasha Roiz's character on Caprica was gay, Teen Wolf prominently has featured at least three gay characters, I believe there was a gay character on Battlestar (I didn't watch it so don't quote me on that), True Blood has Laffeyette and all his significant others, both Vampire Diaries and The Originals introduced gay characters this year. But mostly YOU CAN'T EXCLUDE JACK HARNKESS FOR BEING 'not mainstream enough.' Whoverse is a HUGE phenomenon. It's far larger than Once Upon a Time, Gotham (which hasn't premiered), and Arrow which are all shows you chose to include. All and all it's certainly not perfect. Do I think there's a poor showing of gay characters in general? Yes. Do I think it's slightly worse in genre fiction? Yes. Do I think it's moving in the right direction? Yes. Do I think there's anything wrong with media featuring lesbians? No. It's not a competition and to be frank I think the frequency with which that is an option has more to do with sexism then homophobia.

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    Ridiculous. Most new shows get cancelled. It's not just shows with gay characters. Also, how can you attack a show like Gotham which hasn't even premiered yet?
    THAT is what you got from my post?!

    I didn't attack Gotham at all. I just think it's ridiculous that all sci-fi shows on tv end up including a lesbian, and never a gay (as in male) character. I'm speaking in general here. I'm not attacking one single ****** I know some of the straight male comic book geek audience is homophobic, so I the decision. Again, it's great that lesbians have that visibility. It just sucks for gay men.
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    OK.. I just started watching Tyrant and it's actually REALLY good. Also, the son is gay. So that's a bonus
    Yes, I started watching the new TV series on FX, "Tyrant" and it's really good. The son is gay. This show is definitely worth checking out.

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    I am a huge fan of "Hit the Floor" the creator/headwriter is gay. I have hopes this story will be featured prominently. So far, they are only hooking up. It was a very hot scene. The guy on the left is model Adam Senn he plays "Zero" pro basketball player. The guy on the right is Brent Antonello (Jude) he is his sports agent. Here is the scene.
    This show seems pretty hot. I will have to check it out.

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