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    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/polit...challenger.ece

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    a lot of my friends are celebrating this, but it seems like pretty bad news, imho.

    House and Senate Republicans aren't going to touch immigration reform with a 10' pole after this unless it's to build more fences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    House and Senate Republicans aren't going to touch immigration reform with a 10' pole after this unless it's to build more fences.
    Their loss, politically.

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    Certainly a good thing to see Cantor gone. Who is the Democrat in the November election? It could shape up to be a double win.



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    If the Republican Party is to have any hope, it will need to start running against the Tea Party instead of letting them be members.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Certainly a good thing to see Cantor gone. Who is the Democrat in the November election? It could shape up to be a double win.
    In rural Virginia? Don't bet on it.

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    GOP just has to wipe out any diversity in the party by getting rid of the only Jewish guy in the gop congress.

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    So aside from being SLIGHTLY less rabid on immigration reform, how is Cantor actually different from this guy?
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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    you have to be foaming at the mouth rabid to be in any position of power in the future of the gop---Cantor wasn't foaming enough--but not really that much different---but he toyed with the idea of solving the immigration problem---just thinking of solving ANY problem in the USA is reason enough to get rid of any gop congressman.

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    The national tea party had absolutely nothing to do with this win. It was a win in a gerrymandered, totally republican district that was fed up with Cantor, who distanced himself from his own constituency. Cantor spent $5 million. Brat spent around $100,000. Dollars don't vote. People vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    In rural Virginia? Don't bet on it.
    I live in Virginia's 7th District. Yes, it is extremely rural, and extremely Republican.

    This year the Democratic nominee is Jack Trammell. Interesting fact: Jack Trammell is a Professor at the same University as Dave Brat. Brat teaches Economics. Trammell teaches Sociology. None of this will matter to voters in the district as they won't be impressed by fancy smancy college degrees in either party.

    There's also two spoilers. Libertarian James Carr, and another Democrat named Mike Dickinson who lost the primary to Trammell and is running as a write in.

    If this was any other year I would agree with that there's absolutely no way a Democrat could win this district, but I was just as positive that there was no way Cantor could lose either. If Trammell does it right, knocks on doors, shakes hands, looks people in the eye, talks to them about what he genuinely cares about, I think he could win this crowd. I mean he should be able to relate to them since he lives like a typical country boy in the 7th. It could happen.
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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    Cantor gerrymandered this district himself, how ironic to see it backfire on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlandude View Post
    The national tea party had absolutely nothing to do with this win. It was a win in a gerrymandered, totally republican district that was fed up with Cantor, who distanced himself from his own constituency. Cantor spent $5 million. Brat spent around $100,000. Dollars don't vote. People vote.
    Only about 65,000 out of 758,000 people voted in this primary. I wouldn't nessacrily call it an indictment on Cantor. I don't know anyone who thought he could lose. Also, the 7th may not be as Republican as you think. Wikipedia has it going overwhelming to Mark Warner for Senate in 2008(60-39, if you want the exact numbers).
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    GREAT NEWS!!!! Cantor, with his national power in the house, was ready to legalize millions of ILLEGALS!!! Us american indians never secured our borders and we were run over, many indian populations are now extinct as a result. Secure the border, get people thru the RIGHT process and it is corrected. Its not wrong to be pro immigration, AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL.
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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Only about 65,000 out of 758,000 people voted in this primary.
    Assuming the 7th has the population of an ordinary/average Congressional district, as I think they're supposed to have, that 3/4 million would include babies/children, the incarcerated, those who were kept from voting by strict voter ID laws**, etc.

    **(Does Virginia have this?)

    The craziest part about all this, is that NOBODY saw it coming - not even a hint. This was so true that the Democrats didn't even decide to run anybody, except as an afterthought just a few days ago, because common wisdom had a "slam dunk" assured re-election in November - think along the lines of Charles Rangel in New York.

    I don't know if this is the biggest political surprise in decades, but it's being talked about that way. And, no doubt, it IS huge...

    I am hoping that he DOESN'T "shut the fuck up" - just as some congresscritters running in places like Missouri (Akin) and Indiana (I forgot his name) in 2012 - the radical and Talibangelical shit coming out of their mouths surely helped Obama in 2012. Democrat(ic) Senators need all the help they can get in 2014.

    Makes me wonder if there could have been any weird shenanigans with the ballots going on, but the difference is so huge that the tricks would have been too massive for nobody to detect.

    I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    If the Republican Party is to have any hope, it will need to start running against the Tea Party instead of letting them be members.
    So much for "diversity", huh? DemoRAT progressidiots are such hypocrites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    Assuming the 7th has the population of an ordinary/average Congressional district, as I think they're supposed to have, that 3/4 million would include babies/children, the incarcerated, those who were kept from voting by strict voter ID laws**, etc.

    **(Does Virginia have this?)

    The craziest part about all this, is that NOBODY saw it coming - not even a hint.

    Makes me wonder if there could have been any weird shenanigans with the ballots going on, but the difference is so huge that the tricks would have been too massive for nobody to detect.

    I think.
    My 758,000 figure comes from my rounding of the 2010 census, not registered voters. Sorry, its getting late and I didn't think of looking that figure up.
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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Orlandude View Post
    The national tea party had absolutely nothing to do with this win. It was a win in a gerrymandered, totally republican district that was fed up with Cantor, who distanced himself from his own constituency. Cantor spent $5 million. Brat spent around $100,000. Dollars don't vote. People vote.
    There is no "national tea party". The tea party is a bunch of different orgs all calling themselves the same thing. The GOP is at war with itself and that is one faction.

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    I live in Virginia's 7th District. Yes, it is extremely rural, and extremely Republican.

    This year the Democratic nominee is Jack Trammell. Interesting fact: Jack Trammell is a Professor at the same University as Dave Brat. Brat teaches Economics. Trammell teaches Sociology. None of this will matter to voters in the district as they won't be impressed by fancy smancy college degrees in either party.

    There's also two spoilers. Libertarian James Carr, and another Democrat named Mike Dickinson who lost the primary to Trammell and is running as a write in.

    If this was any other year I would agree with that there's absolutely no way a Democrat could win this district, but I was just as positive that there was no way Cantor could lose either. If Trammell does it right, knocks on doors, shakes hands, looks people in the eye, talks to them about what he genuinely cares about, I think he could win this crowd. I mean he should be able to relate to them since he lives like a typical country boy in the 7th. It could happen.
    The Democrats should lean on Dickinson to bow out and endorse Carr . . . and find several dozen rich donors to send checks his way, too.

    As far as the professor bit, which I find entertaining, Tea Partites will prefer an economics degree -- and anyone with a grasp of the House GOP's grasp of economics will flee any "conservative" economist.

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    Cantor gerrymandered this district himself, how ironic to see it backfire on him.
    That is delicious, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Only about 65,000 out of 758,000 people voted in this primary. I wouldn't nessacrily call it an indictment on Cantor. I don't know anyone who thought he could lose. Also, the 7th may not be as Republican as you think. Wikipedia has it going overwhelming to Mark Warner for Senate in 2008(60-39, if you want the exact numbers).
    But the turnout was up drastically from two years ago, right? That says something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    Certainly a good thing to see Cantor gone. Who is the Democrat in the November election? It could shape up to be a double win.
    The district will likely stay Republican. But this is great news for Hillary, because it shows that the GOP are still unwilling to consider any level of sanity on immigration reform (which a broad majority support), and their candidates will have to run HARD right on the issue to win the GOP primary, crippling them with Latinos in the general in the same way Romney was.

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    ^Frank, I haven't seen any signs of voter fraud in the primary, I think its just a simple matter ofwho had the more motivated base. Clearly, that was Brat.
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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    It was an open primary, so some Dems could have voted to oust Cantor.

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    GREAT NEWS!!!! Cantor, with his national power in the house, was ready to legalize millions of ILLEGALS!!! Us american indians never secured our borders and we were run over, many indian populations are now extinct as a result. Secure the border, get people thru the RIGHT process and it is corrected. Its not wrong to be pro immigration, AS LONG AS IT IS LEGAL.
    That's just lame. Illegals who have come here and now have families they've raised here should be granted a pathway to citizenship, so long as it involves penalties in place -- like maybe a $5k fine plus $1k for each year here illegally. I wouldn't favor granting a pathway to any others, though; anyone here less than five years would still be fair game for deporting.


    BTW, historically the illegals from south of the border are following a migration pattern that's been going on almost as long as people have been in the Americas. In part it was driven by the richness of central Mexico, which when stable would grow in population, then when famine inevitably struck, people would leave, generally heading north. Another avenue was driven by warfare in the Yucatan; losing tribes often headed north as well, and depending on the situation in central Mexico kept right on going, while some headed for the Caribbean islands, setting off a reaction that sent tribes into the Gulf coast of North America.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    There is no "national tea party". The tea party is a bunch of different orgs all calling themselves the same thing. The GOP is at war with itself and that is one faction.
    And the Koch brothers are pulling the strings.

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    But the turnout was up drastically from two years ago, right? That says something.
    That's true. Virginia Board of Elections has 48,000 voters in the 2012 primary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    It was an open primary, so some Dems could have voted to oust Cantor.
    Maybe, if, and only if, they were willing to give up their right to vote in the Democrat primary. You can only vote in one party primary, not both.

    Frankly, I find it unbelievable that any real Democrat could possibly vote for Brat. Just the thought of him representing me sends shivers down my spine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    That's just lame. Illegals who have come here and now have families they've raised here should be granted a pathway to citizenship, so long as it involves penalties in place -- like maybe a $5k fine plus $1k for each year here illegally. I wouldn't favor granting a pathway to any others, though; anyone here less than five years would still be fair game for deporting.


    BTW, historically the illegals from south of the border are following a migration pattern that's been going on almost as long as people have been in the Americas. In part it was driven by the richness of central Mexico, which when stable would grow in population, then when famine inevitably struck, people would leave, generally heading north. Another avenue was driven by warfare in the Yucatan; losing tribes often headed north as well, and depending on the situation in central Mexico kept right on going, while some headed for the Caribbean islands, setting off a reaction that sent tribes into the Gulf coast of North America.
    So borders never matter is what you are telling me? And people never pay for crossing onto lands illegal to them, thats what u r telling me, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jktoooo View Post
    So borders never matter is what you are telling me? And people never pay for crossing onto lands illegal to them, thats what u r telling me, right?
    Just how did you get that from what I said? especially the second one!

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    WOW! Just wow!

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    its funny how all the tea-party posturing Cantor has done only led to his own defeat.
    not to mention all the gerrymandering of congressional districts led to an incumbents defeat.
    Cantor is the lead obstructionist in the house, now that hes gone the GOP will have a harder time clinging to that fake majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    its funny how all the tea-party posturing Cantor has done only led to his own defeat.
    not to mention all the gerrymandering of congressional districts led to an incumbents defeat.
    Cantor is the lead obstructionist in the house, now that hes gone the GOP will have a harder time clinging to that fake majority.
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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    I think this is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I think this is hilarious.
    Well the deepening radicalization of the GOP was sort of inevitable. The House is no longer answerable to the people as gerrymandering has placed the GOP out of the reaches of electoral defeats. The GOP actually lost the 2012 House election taken as a whole vote. It really would take a substantial margin of victory for Democrats to take the majority again. When that will happen, and how large the margin will have to be, is anybody's guess.

    Our republic is in serious constitutional crisis, as the president must now extract power from a paralyzed Congress in order for the country to continue to function, so I suppose it's anything but funny. While I trust Obama to a large extent, there is no guarantee that a Republican will not continue to enlarge the executive branch at the legislature's expense at a future time. Will there be an American caesar? It's not beyond the realm of possibility.
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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    ^ It is not only a possibility but a near certainty. The egregious gerrymandering of the country was the death knoll of democracy in the US.

    As you note, presidents will extract more and more power and make more and more executive decisions in order to avoid the gridlock in the legislative branch.

    Which is not hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    it shows that the GOP are still unwilling to consider any level of sanity on immigration reform (which a broad majority support),
    You can forget, too, any idea that there may be any kind of reform on gun laws at all, either - and I'm only referring to background checks, something which has had nearly unanimous acceptance in the U. S. as an idea; I think there was a 91% or 92% favorable after Sandy Hook. Even NRA members were affirmative in a strong majority.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    Cantor is the lead obstructionist in the house, now that hes gone the GOP will have a harder time clinging to that fake majority.
    He's not gone *YET* - he will still be in office until the end of the final session of the year in December. I don't want to try to make any bets what the lame duck session will look like leading up to Christmas.
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    ^ It is not only a possibility but a near certainty. The egregious gerrymandering of the country was the death knoll of democracy in the US.

    As you note, presidents will extract more and more power and make more and more executive decisions in order to avoid the gridlock in the legislative branch.

    Which is not hilarious.
    The probability is that gridlock will end after Nov 2016. The pendulum will likely swing to the Republican candidate for President as the Democrat will need to justify whatever Obama has done. That is a weakness the incumbent party always has.
    The Republicans will keep the house and take the Senate.
    Most importantly, Dirty Harry did the country a favor by ELIMINATING the filibuster, or paving the way for the GOP to eliminate it. For the first time in decades the GOP will have the power to make some changes.
    If we curtail immigration, we will finally have a chance to reduce poverty, unemployment, crime, ecological damage, health care expense, education problems, etc. Immigration negatively impacts every problem that we have, and it is impossible to reduce poverty while we continue to import millions of poor.

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    There is a Constitutional provision for signing statements.

    Relating to topic, can anyone list the many contributions that Cong. Cantor has made to the country? A second page will be provided if necessary.
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    I don't care if the Tea Party wins this seat, it's still a win for America. The Zionist, Wall Street pig is gone and at least Brat is [supposedly] looking for America's interest and not corporations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    The district will likely stay Republican. But this is great news for Hillary, because it shows that the GOP are still unwilling to consider any level of sanity on immigration reform (which a broad majority support), and their candidates will have to run HARD right on the issue to win the GOP primary, crippling them with Latinos in the general in the same way Romney was.
    A majority of Americans support immigration reform but you'd be naive to think the most support giving illegals citizenship. A majority of Americans support the conservative side of the argument which is why nothing will be done in Congress about it.

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    I wonder if they did much exit polling.

    read a theory today that since it's an open primary, the challenger may have been buoyed by Democrats crossing party-lines to vote for the weaker Republican challengers to tilt the November election in their favor. would explain why all the polling data was so wrong if they were only polling republicans in the "likely voter" category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    You can forget, too, any idea that there may be any kind of reform on gun laws at all, either - and I'm only referring to background checks, something which has had nearly unanimous acceptance in the U. S. as an idea; I think there was a 91% or 92% favorable after Sandy Hook. Even NRA members were affirmative in a strong majority.
    I think there's a fair chance background checks will end up being required for all sales at gun shows. For one thing, licensed dealers are generally letting private sellers who want to do a background check do so, for the same amount it costs them; for another, it's reasonably enforceable. To top it off, most firearms manufacturers actually support it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by darden View Post
    I wonder if they did much exit polling.

    read a theory today that since it's an open primary, the challenger may have been buoyed by Democrats crossing party-lines to vote for the weaker Republican challengers to tilt the November election in their favor. would explain why all the polling data was so wrong if they were only polling republicans in the "likely voter" category.
    We discussed that already last night. These were my thoughts:

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Maybe, if, and only if, they were willing to give up their right to vote in the Democrat primary. You can only vote in one party primary, not both.

    Frankly, I find it unbelievable that any real Democrat could possibly vote for Brat. Just the thought of him representing me sends shivers down my spine.
    Don't do scat, kids. It means you're a Republican.

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    Quote Originally Posted by jktoooo View Post
    Explain how the "kochs" have pulled the strings of a movement that is organic, almost at every level, this one in particular being proof: 100-125k spent by Brat vs over millions spent by cantor?? Really? The kochs put up all 100-125k for brat? No. I do not think so. Brat had trouble fund raising and no kochs were there pulling his strings so just stop with your nonsense.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-koch-brothers
    http://www.policymic.com/articles/12...-koch-brothers
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/op...rich.html?_r=0
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brenda...b_2663125.html
    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...from-anonymity
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...veals-20130924
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Tea_Party


    Eight being a number representing completion in some worldviews, I'll stop there. But the list goes on and on.

    Some of the Tea Party movement was actual grass roots. But some was also stirred up by the Kochs, who had been lusting for a political movement to give voice to their philosophy of unrestrained corporate power and crippled government. By where they give funding and where they don't, they've pulled the strings very tidily.

    Their influence breaks down when Tea Partites get to Congress and find out there's lots of money to be had even without the two brothers, or get ideologically stubborn, or prove not bright enough to be in DC in the first place. But the movement itself is now a Koch puppet.

    That you should focus on Brat shows you don't grasp the real situation, but are stuck on particulars. Besides that, it shows that you don't understand how politics works anyway: the Kochs could hardly care less whether they have Cantor or Brat, as both are fans of the corporate state.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

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    There is a Constitutional provision for signing statements.
    Really? News to me.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisrobin View Post
    There is a Constitutional provision for signing statements.

    ....
    No United States Constitution provision, federal statute, or common-law principle explicitly permits or prohibits signing statements. However, there is also no part of the Constitution which grants any legal value to signing statements. Article I, Section 7 (in the Presentment Clause) empowers the president to veto a law in its entirety, to sign it, or to do nothing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statement
    Where do you find this Constitutional authority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...-koch-brothers
    http://www.policymic.com/articles/12...-koch-brothers
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...urrentPage=all
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/op...rich.html?_r=0
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brenda...b_2663125.html
    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...from-anonymity
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...veals-20130924
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Tea_Party


    Eight being a number representing completion in some worldviews, I'll stop there. But the list goes on and on.

    Some of the Tea Party movement was actual grass roots. But some was also stirred up by the Kochs, who had been lusting for a political movement to give voice to their philosophy of unrestrained corporate power and crippled government. By where they give funding and where they don't, they've pulled the strings very tidily.

    Their influence breaks down when Tea Partites get to Congress and find out there's lots of money to be had even without the two brothers, or get ideologically stubborn, or prove not bright enough to be in DC in the first place. But the movement itself is now a Koch puppet.

    That you should focus on Brat shows you don't grasp the real situation, but are stuck on particulars. Besides that, it shows that you don't understand how politics works anyway: the Kochs could hardly care less whether they have Cantor or Brat, as both are fans of the corporate state.
    Almost every source you listed is EXTREME FAR LEFT "news" source.

    The Kochs are like 20+ as far as rankings go amongst political donors.

    I am SURE you have the same problem with the Kochs as you do with Goerge Soros, who is WAY HIGHER on the list of political donors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    I live in Virginia's 7th District. Yes, it is extremely rural, and extremely Republican.

    This year the Democratic nominee is Jack Trammell. Interesting fact: Jack Trammell is a Professor at the same University as Dave Brat. Brat teaches Economics. Trammell teaches Sociology. None of this will matter to voters in the district as they won't be impressed by fancy smancy college degrees in either party.

    There's also two spoilers. Libertarian James Carr, and another Democrat named Mike Dickinson who lost the primary to Trammell and is running as a write in.

    If this was any other year I would agree with that there's absolutely no way a Democrat could win this district, but I was just as positive that there was no way Cantor could lose either. If Trammell does it right, knocks on doors, shakes hands, looks people in the eye, talks to them about what he genuinely cares about, I think he could win this crowd. I mean he should be able to relate to them since he lives like a typical country boy in the 7th. It could happen.
    The word on the street is that Cantor is considering running as a write-in candidate. The theory is that he actually does have majority support among Republicans, but only the Tea Party turns out to vote in the primaries. And this was a very low turnout primary. Therefore, Cantor could win as a write-in. Cantor's own polls that showed he had 60% support among Republicans may not have been as far off as it seems.

    However, if Cantor does run as a write-in candidate, he might also split the Republican vote, giving Trammell a possibility of victory in a heavily Republican district.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Well the deepening radicalization of the GOP was sort of inevitable.
    I suppose you are correct about this.

    I keep expecting that the GOP will be forced to move toward more popular opinions on issues, but the opposite keeps happening - the party is becoming more and more radical, as we speak.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The House is no longer answerable to the people as gerrymandering has placed the GOP out of the reaches of electoral defeats. The GOP actually lost the 2012 House election taken as a whole vote. It really would take a substantial margin of victory for Democrats to take the majority again. When that will happen, and how large the margin will have to be, is anybody's guess.

    Our republic is in serious constitutional crisis, as the president must now extract power from a paralyzed Congress in order for the country to continue to function, so I suppose it's anything but funny. While I trust Obama to a large extent, there is no guarantee that a Republican will not continue to enlarge the executive branch at the legislature's expense at a future time. Will there be an American caesar? It's not beyond the realm of possibility.
    QFT.

    I actually thought during the GWB administration that there was a small possibility Bush could have become that dictator. His behavior was disturbingly reminiscent of the Fascists in early twentieth century Europe. I sometimes think that what saved us was his spectactular stupidity. He was just too incompetent to subvert the mechanisms of democracy effectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    The word on the street is that Cantor is considering running as a write-in candidate. The theory is that he actually does have majority support among Republicans, but only the Tea Party turns out to vote in the primaries. And this was a very low turnout primary. Therefore, Cantor could win as a write-in. Cantor's own polls that showed he had 60% support among Republicans may not have been as far off as it seems.

    However, if Cantor does run as a write-in candidate, he might also split the Republican vote, giving Trammell a possibility of victory in a heavily Republican district.
    No doubt some of Cantors support resulted from the knowledge that as majority leader he had more power than other individual representatives. That part of his support is not likely to continue. Clearly, his support for immigration was a major factor and it is doubtful that he can reverse his position effectively.

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