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    Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    Clerks across the state are gearing up for an order striking down Wisconsin's ban on same sex marriage. Plaintiffs in the lawsuit Wolf v. Walker are also prepared at a moment's notice with the clothing they intend to wear hung up and ready to go. Garth Wangemann and Roy Badger were one couple of several whom sued in November to overturn the ban in the court of U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb, an appointee of Jimmy Carter.

    In anticipation of the court striking down the state's ban on gay marriage,Milwaukee County Clerk Joe Czarnezki said the county has trained additional staff and made arrangements to accommodate a rush to get licenses.

    Dane County Clerk Scott McDonell said he did the same.

    Anticipation builds for ruling on Wisconsin gay marriage ban
    A trial was scheduled for August 25, but Crabb accepted a motion for summary judgment. The lack of an intended date for oral arguments might suggest that she will rule on the briefs without a hearing. Judge Jones did so for Pennsylvania just for one example, and at least two other federal judges ruled without ever holding a hearing. The last brief in this case was submitted on May 19, so a ruling could come at any time.

    In anticipation of losing, the attorney general has asked for a stay preliminarily, and Republican Governor Scott Walker has made a craven retreat from his formerly steadfast opposition.

    “Any federal judge has got to look at that law not only with respect to the state’s constitution but what it means in terms of the U.S. Constitution, as well,” he explained. “Again, I’m not going to pretend to tell a federal judge in that regard what he or she should do about it.”

    Wisconsin Governor Backs Down From Opposition To Same-Sex Marriage
    According to a recent poll, 55% of voters in Wisconsin approve of marriage equality, up from the 41% whom rejected the 2006 amendment.
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    Re: Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    Well that was prophetic...


    VICTORY IN WISCONSIN

    http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/news/Judge-o...262161101.html

    Waiting for someone to post the complaint.

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    Re: Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    I'm a bit confused about a federal judge citing the state constitution like that?

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    Re: Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    Link to the opinion.

    http://www.channel3000.com/blob/view...age-ruling.pdf

    Quotes will be forthcoming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    I'm a bit confused about a federal judge citing the state constitution like that?
    It looks like she is interpreting the reasons why Wisconsin enacted the marriage amendment, which she does throughout the ruling, saying that it looks more like a moral decision than a practical one, paraphrasing.

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    This was an 88 page opinion and very technical, but there were some incredible observations. The judge and her clerks are obviously very well read. There are quotes not only from opinions and briefs, but books, essays, letters, and articles. It must have been thousands of pages of literature. I especially like the Dr. King quote on waiting.

    "Marriage is tied to our sense of self, personal autonomy and public dignity. And perhaps more than any other endeavor, we view marriage as essential to the pursuit of happiness, one of the inalienable rights in our Declaration of Independence." p. 4

    "...personal beliefs, anxiety about change and discomfort about an unfamiliar way of life must give way to a respect for the constitutional rights of individuals..." p. 5

    "States may not “experiment” with different social policies by violating constitutional rights." p. 18

    The golden case every judge cites:

    West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943) (“The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.”) p. 19

    "Federalism was a common defense to the segregationist laws of the Jim Crow era." p. 19

    "There is no asterisk next to the Fourteen Amendment that excludes gay persons from its protections." p. 21

    "In Loving, 388 U.S. at 12, the Court went so far as to say that marriage is 'one of the basic civil rights of man.'" p. 21

    "...gay persons have the same ability to procreate as anyone else and same-sex couples often raise children together, so there is no reason why a link between marriage and procreation should disqualify same-sex couples." p. 25

    "...the Supreme Court has stated that the liberty protected in the due process clause includes the right to choose your own family." p. 30

    "...defendants are making the same mistake as the Court in Bowers when they frame the question in this case as whether there is a “right to same-sex marriage” instead of whether there is a right to marriage from which same-sex couples can be excluded." p. 32

    "Past practices cannot control the scope of a constitutional right." p. 35

    "In the past, many believed that racial mixing was just as unnatural and antithetical to marriage as amici believe homosexuality is today. Wolfe v. Georgia Railway & Electric Co. ... (Ga. 1907) (stating that “there is a universally recognized distinction between the races” and that miscegenation is “unnatural” and “productive of evil, and evil only”);" p. 37

    "Civil marriage is a legal construct, not a biological rule of nature, so it can be and has been changed over the years." p. 39

    "United States v. Virginia ... (1996) (“State actors may not rely on overbroad generalizations [about the sexes] to make judgments about people that are likely to perpetuate historical patterns of discrimination.”); Goodridge ... (rejecting argument “that men and women are so innately and fundamentally different that their respective ‘proper spheres’ can be rigidly and universally delineated”): p. 39

    "Even defendants do not suggest that marrying someone of the opposite sex is a viable option for plaintiffs. Thus, the practical effect of the law is to impose an absolute ban on marriage for plaintiffs." p. 40

    "...most courts considering the issue have found that domestic partnerships and civil unions do not cure the constitutional injury because, even if the tangible benefits of a domestic partnership are similar to marriage, creating a “separate but equal” institution still connotes a second-class status." p. 41

    "[the Equal Protection Clause] “requires the democratic majority to accept for themselves and their loved ones what they impose on you and me.” Cruzan by Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Dept. of Health ... (1990) (Scalia, J. concurring)" p. 43

    "I agree with those courts that have concluded that, regardless whether sexual orientation is “immutable,” it is “fundamental to a person's identity ...” p. 57

    "I conclude that sexual orientation discrimination is subject to heightened scrutiny." pp. 58-59

    "...one purpose of the equal protection clause is to prohibit “stigmatizing members of the disfavored group as ‘innately inferior’ and therefore as less worthy participants in the political community.” Heckler v. Mathews ... (1984)" p. 60

    "The Court repeated the theme of stigma and second-class status [in Windsor] multiple times." p. 61

    "...enshrining the ban in the state constitution seems to suggest that the amendment had a moral rather than practical purpose." p. 66

    "Throughout history, the most “traditional” form of marriage has not been between one man and one woman, but between one man and multiple women, which presumably is not a tradition that defendants and amici would like to continue." p. 67

    "The rejection of these inequalities by later generations shows that sometimes a tradition may endure because of unexamined assumptions about a particular class of people rather than because the laws serve the community as a whole." p. 69

    "...defendants do not identify any reason why denying marriage to same-sex couples will encourage opposite-sex couples to have children..." p. 70

    "Two strangers of the opposite sex can marry regardless of their intentions, without any demonstration or affirmation of the example they will set, even if they have been previously divorced or have a history of abusing the institution." p. 79

    "...neither defendants nor amici cite any evidence or even develop a cogent argument to support their belief that allowing same-sex couples to marry somehow will lead to the de-valuing of children in marriage or have some other adverse effect on the marriages of heterosexual couples." p. 80

    "Martin Luther King, Jr., Letter from Birmingham Jail (“For years now I have heard the word ‘Wait!’ It rings in the ear of every Negro with piercing familiarity. This ‘Wait’ has almost always meant ‘Never.’” p. 81

    "...a district court may not abstain from deciding a case because of a possibility that the issues raised in the case could be resolved in some other way at some other time." p. 86

    "Because my review of that law convinces me that plaintiffs are entitled to the same treatment as any heterosexual couple, I conclude that the Wisconsin laws banning marriage between same-sex couples are unconstitutional."

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    Re: Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    Couples getting licenses in Milwaukee County



    http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/breaking-new...262161101.html

    Milwaukee County will stay open until 9 p.m. tonight.

    Couple getting license in Dane County, probably Madison.



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    Re: Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    This was another slam-dunk opinion, basically forcing the circuit to come up with a blatantly crazy "Cuz we're homophobes!" ruling if they want to reverse her.

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    Re: Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Well that was prophetic...


    VICTORY IN WISCONSIN

    http://www.jrn.com/tmj4/news/Judge-o...262161101.html

    Waiting for someone to post the complaint.
    For Milwaukee gays the timing couldn't have been better.

    Want to bet there are weddings at PRIDE?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    I'm a bit confused about a federal judge citing the state constitution like that?
    He's quoting what he's nullifying, so it's clear.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    I shed a couple of ters at this:

    "I agree with those courts that have concluded that, regardless whether sexual orientation is “immutable,” it is “fundamental to a person's identity ...” p. 57
    Why is that concept so hard for people?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Link to the opinion.

    http://www.channel3000.com/blob/view...age-ruling.pdf

    Quotes will be forthcoming...
    About page 76, it struck me that an argument was being applied that was also used in (IIRC) MacDonald in Chicago: that whether the exercise of a right may result in harm cannot be used to restrict exercise of a right. Here, it's even stronger, that even if the state has reason to believe that the exercise of a right will likely result in harm, the state may not restrict the exercise of the right. I would never have thought that would be pertinent in a marriage case, but the consideration of the defendant and amici arguments makes it fitting.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Done!

    That was a pleasure to read. I now look forward to hearing the injunctive relief shortly after June 16.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    The best ruling yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    The best ruling yet.
    It reminded me of a dentist clearing decay from a tooth. Hate and decay have to be eradicated 100% or the job might as well not have been done at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It reminded me of a dentist clearing decay from a tooth. Hate and decay have to be eradicated 100% or the job might as well not have been done at all.
    Indeed, and the bigger thing is that the 7th circuit is one of the more conservative courts. I suspect this ruling is more or less to demolish all the arguments they would come up with to try and overturn this ruling.

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    ^ Journal of Medical Genetics????

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    So much going on today with this state, I am trying to keep up.

    Gay couples have convinced several additional counties to open up today, with some malcontents refusing to waive the waiting period.

    Which Wisconsin counties are issuing same-sex marriage licenses?

    Here's a partial list of Wisconsin counties that are issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples and those that aren't. We've linked the names of the counties when the information is based on other media organizations.
    Gay couples convince Appleton, Wis., clerk to issue marriage licenses

    The county clerk in Appleton is accepting applications for marriage licenses from same-sex couples after nearly 100 people refused to leave her office without completing forms.
    Judge Crabb has refused a stay because she hasn't issued an injunction yet: http://www.scribd.com/doc/228858560/3-14-cv-00064-125

    Her comments at the hearing today were no clearer.

    "I never said anything" about whether county clerks should go forward with granting marriage licenses to same-sex couples, Crabb said. "That hasn't been decided."

    But interpretations differ about Crabb's words on Monday. Crabb said the "status quo" should continue, but whether that means the gay marriage ban remains in effect, as Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen has said, or whether that means marriages can continue as they have since Friday is a question that Crabb did not answer at Monday's hearing.

    Judge declines to stay marriage ban ruling, but says she didn't authorize weddings
    It is true the counties are not under order, but it would take a state order to stop the clerks, and the marriages made in good faith in all likelihood won't be invalidated.

    According to the Journal Sentinel, “When asked by state attorneys Monday about that inconsistency among counties, Crabb said that was an issue for state courts to decide if needed, not her.”

    Wisconsin Officials Ask Federal Appeals Court To Stop Same-Sex Marriages Immediately
    - - - Updated - - -

    The state asks the court of appeals for an emergency stay: http://www.scribd.com/doc/228797338/...cy-Stay-Motion

    The state has also appealed the ruling to the 7th Circuit: http://www.scribd.com/doc/228792297/3-14-cv-00064-121
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    I'm not at all clear on where a "declaration" stands legally.

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    My employers were the first couple to marry in Douglas County!!!

    http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/con...ing-celebrated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I'm not at all clear on where a "declaration" stands legally.
    It was the legal instrument of independence along with the Treaty of Paris, and nothing more, but it does express some of the foundational values of our culture frequently cited by politicians and judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    It was the legal instrument of independence along with the Treaty of Paris, and nothing more, but it does express some of the foundational values of our culture frequently cited by politicians and judges.
    Whoa -- I meant this:

    ...defendants were unable to cite any authority for the proposition that a court may “stay” a declaration

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Whoa -- I meant this:
    Ah, a declaratory judgment, yeah it isn't a causative order that can be stayed. Clever judge, then she denied ordering the clerks to do anything when she knew that would be the effect, tehehe.
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    In other words, she deliberately created the "chaos" they moan about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Ah, a declaratory judgment, yeah it isn't a causative order that can be stayed. Clever judge, then she denied ordering the clerks to do anything when she knew that would be the effect, tehehe.
    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    In other words, she deliberately created the "chaos" they moan about?
    LOL

    I suppose so. And she can let it go on as long as she pleases, basically.

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    ^
    And people say law is boring . . . .


    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Wisconsin Preparing for Marriage Equality

    Hearing on the proposed injunction is scheduled for Friday.

    http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/229258212

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    Of course this is baseless, but it's sad and pathetic that it has to come to this:

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...262892731.html

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    ^ Does he even have any standing to show "harm" in any kind of lawsuit, making a decision to stop the marriages legitimate?

    And, what the hell is up with the left side of his face? Looks like he was in the process of putting on Klingon makeup or something.
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    THat guy is anutcase, simple as that.

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    I have family back in Wisconsin and trust me, a large portion (but not all) of that state is fairly redneck. I'm so happy to hear that their gay marriage ban is gone but I really hope a bunch that there isn't retaliation against newly-married gay couples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Of course this is baseless, but it's sad and pathetic that it has to come to this:

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...262892731.html
    Sounds like someone talking about hypothetical scenarios in order to get attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertboi View Post
    I have family back in Wisconsin and trust me, a large portion (but not all) of that state is fairly redneck. I'm so happy to hear that their gay marriage ban is gone but I really hope a bunch that there isn't retaliation against newly-married gay couples.
    I drove across the state last summer between Milwaukee and Madison for a wedding, and it struck me how uniformly white society was out that way, but not really all that redneck, maybe more to the north. Madison was the nicest city I have ever seen, and the one rural Wisconsin Jubber I know seems to be very happy, so where the opposition comes from I am at a loss. I don't know the state all that well.

    Anyway, the drama continues just as it had for Utah, Michigan, and Arkansas. You have the AG threatening the clerks, the clerks saying "go to Hell," and 637 licenses according to the last count. A series of events will take place starting with the injunction hearing today at 1 p.m. that will lead to an eventual stay from the 7th Circuit in all likelihood. So those Wisconsinites who do not want to wait a year, get your license now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post



    The ugliness inside him has apparently started to leak out. I would love to see him get to court and have to explain how homos marrying curtail his civil rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I drove across the state last summer between Milwaukee and Madison for a wedding, and it struck me how uniformly white society was out that way, but not really all that redneck, maybe more to the north. Madison was the nicest city I have ever seen, and the one rural Wisconsin Jubber I know seems to be very happy, so where the opposition comes from I am at a loss. I don't know the state all that well.

    Anyway, the drama continues just as it had for Utah, Michigan, and Arkansas. You have the AG threatening the clerks, the clerks saying "go to Hell," and 637 licenses according to the last count. A series of events will take place starting with the injunction hearing today at 1 p.m. that will lead to an eventual stay from the 7th Circuit in all likelihood. So those Wisconsinites who do not want to wait a year, get your license now.
    Wisconsin is very similar to Minnesota in this sense. The northwestern portion outside of Duluth (Douglas, Bayfield, and Ashland counties) is quite liberal, as is most of the southwestern area (i.e. Madison). The Milwaukee area is too, but it's more concentrated.

    I've heard that as of this morning all but 9 counties are issuing licenses, with that number likely to shrink by the end of the day.
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    Judge Crabb has adjourned without ruling. Decision on injunction likely later today.

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    Madison attorney Lester Pines took Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen to task for saying that county clerks could face charges for issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples in the week since a federal judge declared the state ban on same-sex marriages unconstitutional.

    Madison attorney Lester Pines to Van Hollen: Drop threat against county clerks issuing same-sex marriage licenses
    Parties can follow a declaratory judgment voluntarily, so the AG's threat is hollow. Is is true that clerks are not yet required to do so. As the article mentions, and noted above, the controversy will soon be moot. Once Judge Crabb issues her injunction, it will be incumbent upon all 72 counties to issue licenses. However, an injunction also ends her jurisdiction over the case and hands it over to the court of appeals, which can be counted upon to stay the case.
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    I think Judge Crabb wanted a chance for couples to get married. Because you can be sure the 7th will issue a stay and continue the gay means stay trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    I drove across the state last summer between Milwaukee and Madison for a wedding, and it struck me how uniformly white society was out that way, but not really all that redneck, maybe more to the north. Madison was the nicest city I have ever seen, and the one rural Wisconsin Jubber I know seems to be very happy, so where the opposition comes from I am at a loss. I don't know the state all that well.

    Anyway, the drama continues just as it had for Utah, Michigan, and Arkansas. You have the AG threatening the clerks, the clerks saying "go to Hell," and 637 licenses according to the last count. A series of events will take place starting with the injunction hearing today at 1 p.m. that will lead to an eventual stay from the 7th Circuit in all likelihood. So those Wisconsinites who do not want to wait a year, get your license now.
    That's part of the "Lutheran belt" where being redneck doesn't work, but they're very socially conservative for the most part.

    It's no accident that the "Wisconsin Synod" of the Lutheran church is the most conservative batch of Lutherans in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Parties can follow a declaratory judgment voluntarily, so the AG's threat is hollow. It is true that clerks are not yet required to do so. As the article mentions, and noted above, the controversy will soon be moot. Once Judge Crabb issues her injunction, it will be incumbent upon all 72 counties to issue licenses. However, an injunction also ends her jurisdiction over the case and hands it over to the court of appeals, which can be counted upon to stay the case.
    Okay, that was what I was after early when I wondered about the legal status of a declaration.

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    Judge Crabb has issued a stay expressing sadness at being compelled by the Supreme Court to do so. I disagree the high court left any precedent, but it is what it is until the 7th circuit rules.
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    Agreed that it was only a matter of time, so no fault of hers. At least, when this is all over couples can claim retroactive benefits, if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    Agreed that it was only a matter of time, so no fault of hers. At least, when this is all over couples can claim retroactive benefits, if necessary.
    That's about the only good thing. But she's right; she has to take guidance from SCOTUS.





    theoretically, anyway

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Couples will get federal benefits though too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Couples will get federal benefits though too.
    That is the only good thing to come out of this.

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