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    American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, Taliban prisoner for 5 years, freed in exchange for 5 Guantanamo inmates.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/us...-freed.html?hp

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5424007.html

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Well, apparently it did violate a Congressional mandate re release of Guantanamo detainees. Get over it. Guantanamo as a prison should be shut down anyway.

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Well, apparently it did violate a Congressional mandate re release of Guantanamo detainees. Get over it. Guantanamo as a prison should be shut down anyway.
    Do you think the Administration should have acted without first consulting Congress? What about President Karzai?

    FWIW, It appears the Taliban is not formally recognized by the US as a terrorist organization.

    The Taliban in Afghanistan (Council on Foreign Relations; February 2014)



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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Do you think the Administration should have acted without first consulting Congress? What about President Karzai?
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    1. Yes, to without consulting. Had Congress not imposed that stupid mandate this conceivably could have happened long ago. And I don't accept that some Congressional leaders were not read in.

    Advocate not doing the deal and see how far you get.

    2. What's Karzai's relevance anymore, except as a graft drain on the Treasury?

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Great new for him and his family, they must have given up all hope of ever seeing him again.
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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    1. Yes, to without consulting. Had Congress not imposed that stupid mandate this conceivably could have happened long ago.
    Perhaps the President’s signing statement when the law was enacted constitutes “consultation.”

    Statement by the President on H.R. 3304 (The White House; December 26, 2013)

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Perhaps the President’s signing statement when the law was enacted constitutes “consultation.”

    Statement by the President on H.R. 3304 (The White House; December 26, 2013)
    Works for me.

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    A Constitutional basis for the action.

    A senior administration official appear to concede to the Washington Post that the 30-day notification law was not followed, but pointed out that when Obama signed the legislation last year, he issued a statement saying that being required to tell congress was “an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief,” and that he could supersede it.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/article...uantanamo.html

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, Taliban prisoner for 5 years, freed in exchange for 5 Guantanamo inmates.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/01/us...-freed.html?hp

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5424007.html
    I guess it is one way of getting rid of the detainees at Guantanamo. Too bad that there are now 5 men who probably want blood revenge for their incarceration.

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    According to Brad Thor, Sargent Bergdahl was never under control of the Afghan Taliban. He was apprehended and always held by the Haqqani Network. If that is true, then it appears the US government [perhaps indirectly] negotiated with terrorists for his release.



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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    According to Brad Thor, Sargent Bergdahl was never under control of the Afghan Taliban. He was apprehended and always held by the Haqqani Network. If that is true, then it appears the US government [perhaps indirectly] negotiated with terrorists for his release.


    I suppose I should check with the appropriate filing office to get a certificate of good standing for the amorphous terrorist groups.

    I care not about the details or minutiae. A soldier (who indeed disappeared under cloudy circumstance) is returned.

    And we negotiate with terrorists all the time. At least these 5 are now drone-able.

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    And we negotiate with terrorists all the time.
    True. The President keeps on insisting on practicing "bi-partisanship" with the U.S. House.

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    And we negotiate with terrorists all the time. At least these 5 are now drone-able.
    Maybe the CIA had them injected with tracking devices....

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    I'm glad he is frree. But a question: had the President now established a precident which may encourage the abdyctuib of other
    merican GI's in the expectation of gettin more Guantanamo inmates released? How many next time? The President shouold follow the law. He has no authority to either ignore laws he is Constitutionally charged with enforcing, or to make laws.

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Quote Originally Posted by big_guy View Post
    I'm glad he is frree. But a question: had the President now established a precident which may encourage the abdyctuib of other American GI's in the expectation of gettin more Guantanamo inmates released? How many next time?
    That's a serious consideration.

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    Did not take long for the right wing media and the Tea Baggers of the far of the GOP to jump on the band wagon and oppose the exchange. If Obama has followed through he would be under attack. By the way he would not have been held as POW if Bush/Cheney had not invaded the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_guy View Post
    I'm glad he is frree. But a question: had the President now established a precident which may encourage the abdyctuib [sic, abduction?] of other
    merican GI's in the expectation of gettin more Guantanamo inmates released? How many next time? The President shouold follow the law. He has no authority to either ignore laws he is Constitutionally charged with enforcing, or to make laws.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    That's a serious consideration.
    Let's see. We have this inventory of "bad guys" we're institutionally unable to figure out what to do with. This seems like a workable solution. That others will be captured goes without saying but the capture ratio does not appear high; may be the inventory will result in "captures" rather than deaths.

    Obama is okay here because of Bergdahl being a soldier and Obama having Article 2 power.

    And while we wax all patriotic and whatever, let's all go to the Twin Towers Gift Shop.

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    I was at first neutral on this but as more and more information is coming out on just who these 5 detainees are I'm starting to get alarmed. Two were declared war criminals by the United Nations. They appear to be some of the worst of the Taliban leadership with thousands of deaths on their hands and ties to AQ.
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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    Seems Politifact is confirming the claim of these being some of the worst and most dangerous to the US to be released.

    Here’s a rundown of the five former detainees:Mullah Mohammad Fazl. Experts suggested to PolitiFact that, of the five, Fazl and Noori may be the most dangerous to United States interests.
    Fazl was an experienced commander against the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance and served as the Taliban’s army chief of staff. He’s "wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites" and had "operational associations with significant al Qaeda and other extremist personnel." The leaked documents say Fazl "wielded considerable influence" and that he’s become a recruiting symbol for the Taliban.
    Mullah Norullah Noori. Noori was a "senior Taliban military commander" and the onetime governor of Balkh province who, like Fazl, is on the United Nations’ radar screen for possible war crimes.
    Fazl and Noori "were responsible for ethno-sectarian massacres in northern Afghanistan, as were some of their enemies who are now in the Afghan government," said Barnett R. Rubin, director and senior fellow at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation. "They cooperated with al-Qaida, which was providing assistance to their fight against the Northern Alliance."
    Leaked documents cite ties to the Taliban’s top leader, Mullah Omar, and "senior al-Qaida members," including the allegation that he passed a message from Omar to al-Qaida’s Osama bin Laden.
    Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa. The leaked documents say Khairkhwa was close to both Omar and bin Laden, representing the Taliban in "meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against U.S. and Coalition Forces" following the start of the United States war in Afghanistan.He was governor of Herat province from 1999 to 2001 and was alleged to be one of the "major opium drug lords in western Afghanistan."
    Complicating matters somewhat, Khairkhwa was in discussions with the family of post-war Afghan leader Hamid Karzai, a longtime friend, about possibly cooperating with the new government when he was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 and brought to Guantanamo.
    Abdul Haq Wasiq. Wasiq was the deputy chief of the Taliban’s intelligence service and "was central to the Taliban's efforts to form alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight alongside the Taliban against U.S. and Coalition forces after the 11 September 2001 attacks," according to the leaked documents, which added that he "utilized his office to support al-Qaida and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture" in late 2001. He is believed to have "arranged for al-Qaida personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods."
    Wasiq claimed to be offering cooperation to the United States, though the U.S. government has officially been skeptical of those claims.
    Mohammad Nabi Omari. Leaked documents describe Omari as "a senior Taliban official who served in multiple leadership roles," including membership in a joint al-Qaida-Taliban cell in Khowst that "was involved in attacks against U.S. and coalition forces." Nabi also "maintained weapons caches and facilitated the smuggling of fighters and weapons," the documents say.
    Omari, like Wasiq, was apprehended while claiming to be providing intelligence of interest to the United States.
    Experts told PolitiFact that each of the five detainees represented risks to the United States’ national security to one degree or another, with Fazl and Noori at the top of the list.
    Senator McCain called these 5 the hardest of the hard core and Politifact rated this as Mostly True
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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    More information emerges on the "Bergdahl abduction:"

    Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us...s-unit.html?hp

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    Re: American soldier freed by taliban in prisoner trade

    mess......

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    The administration is probably not worried about them because, when they get back to Afghanistan, the US can kill them in a drone strike.

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    I have to say there was so much more information here than I found on regular news sites. It is hard to know when a scandal is really a scandal, or just some political excuse to make hay. Thanks to everyone who has contributed.

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    BuzzFeed’s Rosie Gray has found someone to scapegoat in the latest controversy swamping the Obama administration. Gray doesn’t blame Bowe Bergdahl for allegedly deserting his watch in Afghanistan, an action that allegedly led directly to the deaths of at least six American soldiers. Gray doesn’t blame Obama for breaking a couple of laws in this whole thing, or for sending five top-level, hardcore Taliban terrorists back out into the wild. Gray doesn’t blame Obama for putting a price on the head of every single American serving anywhere where the Taliban and its allies operate, by negotiating with terrorists for Bergdahl’s release.

    Gray chooses to pin the blame on the gay guy.
    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/06/03...s-the-gay-guy/

    What the fuck guys?

    If you didn't know better, you'd swear that this was all espionage and that it somehow made sense.

    But we've seen too many of these bizarre poli-wonk fuck-ups to think that it could be anything else than what it is turning out to be.........

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