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    Re: Rolf Harris; do you care?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    ^Well its the insanity that you have to be sentenced by the laws at the time the crime was committed, so if he had committed them more recently I am sure he would have got more. I am sure he will be out in a year or two on appeal, but he won't be heard of ever again.
    You raise some very valid points, though anyone sentenced to over 4 years is classed as a long term prisoner, and as such they must serve at least 2/3 of their sentence. Anyone sentenced to under 4 years, has the automatic right to appeal for parole after serving half their term. Unless stated otherwise by the Judge hearing the trial. Also to be considered for an early release, he has to show remorse, and admit guilt. Which i cannot see him doing, after the amount of very public denial he has always maintained.

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    You would get more for carrying a knife he won't show any remorse because he doesn't feel any.

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    He will have been advised to appear suitable remorseful. His wife is also ill - so that will give him reason to at least act as such.

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    ^I am pretty sure the residing judge would have already taking those things into consideration, before deciding on his punishment tariff.
    There are "Special Considerations" that his defence QC can put forward on application to either an appeal court, or a special sitting of a panel of 3-5 judges.
    My guess is they will be denied, mainly for "political" reasons, as the notoriety of this case, and the prisoners close friendship with Saville. All goes against him, it also seems that they are now investigating yet more allegations made against him.
    At 84 his life expectancy will be cut, because of the massive physiological and psychological effects this would have taking from him.
    If he does get an early release, it will only be through a soul and conscience letter from at least 3 Dr's stating his life is nearing it's natural end. Something akin to the release of the Kray twin and Myra Hindley, who were released into NHS hospital care. They both died within weeks of their release.

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    Re: Rolf Harris; do you care?

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    I wish there was some documentary evidence instead of just competing sob stories from a quarter of a century ago.
    Documentary Evidence? Like reality molestation? WTF!

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    so straight worlds ova alls gonna check up on
    *updated manual fa straight livin*

    anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^I am pretty sure the residing judge would have already taking those things into consideration, before deciding on his punishment tariff.
    There are "Special Considerations" that his defence QC can put forward on application to either an appeal court, or a special sitting of a panel of 3-5 judges.
    My guess is they will be denied, mainly for "political" reasons, as the notoriety of this case, and the prisoners close friendship with Saville. All goes against him, it also seems that they are now investigating yet more allegations made against him.
    At 84 his life expectancy will be cut, because of the massive physiological and psychological effects this would have taking from him.
    If he does get an early release, it will only be through a soul and conscience letter from at least 3 Dr's stating his life is nearing it's natural end. Something akin to the release of the Kray twin and Myra Hindley, who were released into NHS hospital care. They both died within weeks of their release.
    I feel he should live the rest of his life out behind bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemizanin729 View Post
    I feel he should live the rest of his life out behind bars.
    put all 1st world ova behind bars ans tey can figa out sumthang
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    Quote Originally Posted by figjam View Post
    Documentary Evidence? Like reality molestation? WTF!
    Yes, documentary evidence is evidence in the form of documents i.e. photographs, tape recordings, films, and printed emails.

    It gets messy when people rely on memory— especially if they are people who are brainwashed in religious cults or if they are teenagers with half-formed brains.

    For instance, a judge in Baltimore dismissed a lawsuit in 1995 brought by two former students against a Roman Catholic priest who allegedly molested them almost 25 years ago when they were in high school. They claimed that they developed "amnesiac aspect of post-traumatic stress disorder" from the early 1970's until a few years ago. The judge said that the plaintiffs didn't demonstrate that PTSD "automatically leads one to amnesia. This is a leap of faith this court cannot make...The court in no way is judging [the women's] credibility, but their recollection. That did not meet the test of scientific reliability...No empirical studies verify the existence of repressed memory...There is no way to test the validity of these memories."

    The Maryland Court of Appeals in 96, refused to recognize "repressed memories" as a basis for postponing the filing deadline, noting that "studies purporting to validate repression theory are justly criticized as unscientific, unrepresentative and biased." In their decision, Judge Robert L. Karwacki stated "We are unconvinced that repression exists as a phenomenon separate and apart from the normal process of forgetting,".

    The California Superior Court in 1995 excluded repressed memory testimony. He found that "the phenomenon of 'memory repressions' is not generally accepted as valid and reliable by a respectable majority of the pertinent scientific community and that the techniques and procedures utilized in the retrieval process have not gained general acceptance in the field of psychology or psychiatry."

    The Texas Supreme Court in 96 handed down a decision which disallowed evidence derived from recovered memory therapy:
    "In sum, the literature on repression and recovered memory syndrome establishes that fundamental theoretical and practical issues remain to be resolved. These issues include the extent to which experimental psychological theories of amnesia apply to psychotherapy, the effect of repression on memory, the effect of screening devices in recall, the effect of suggestibility, the difference between forensic and therapeutic truth, and the extent to which memory restoration techniques lead to credible memories or confabulations. Opinions in this area simply cannot meet the 'objective verifiability' element for extending the discovery rule."


    The prosecutor in this case had one strong piece of evidence in the self-incriminating letter and the TV footage from the game show called 'Star Games' being filmed in Cambridge in 1978.

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    Cliff Richard is next!

    Police are investigating him because he visited this place
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Gue..._abuse_scandal

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    ^^ Has he actually been arrested for anything?

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    The PM says at 2.00 about a potential witch-hunt against gays


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    Most of the conservative party are closet cases he might want to start his witch-hunt there.

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    cheer up it a keep suburban slippas harpy sumthang ta go GOSH ova
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    I had to laugh at this.

    Bogans are demanding that this public mural be covered over. It is in the Queen Victoria Market building in Melbourne and is supposed to represent the 100 most important Entertainers of the Century.




    Even silly Catholics wait until someone has died before they claim they are saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The prosecutrix.

    She and her sharp tongue went in for the kill on Friday.

    She said the old man was a sinister pervert with a demon lurking inside.

    I guess she has to be Catholic to introduce 'demons' in a court room.


    Pat Grimshaw do you work for the Daily Mail or something?

    Why are you posting unfortunate pictures of the female victim?

    Is that to make her look evil/ugly/scary so that her claim looks refutable?

    Let's have some Rolf pictures in here too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by carey579 View Post
    ...Why are you posting unfortunate pictures of the female victim?
    ...
    This "victim" you're talking about gets paid more money every day than people like us get paid in a year.

    This "victim" can wear a Versace and a Jean Paul Gaultier every day of the week.

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    My bad, the prosecutor.

    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    This "victim" you're talking about gets paid more money every day than people like us get paid in a year.

    This "victim" can wear a Versace and a Jean Paul Gaultier every day of the week.
    Good for her

    What's your problem?

    Especially if she's bringing justice to women from evil inside and ugly outside pigs like Rolf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Cliff Richard is next!

    Police are investigating him because he visited this place
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Gue..._abuse_scandal
    I hope not; but unfortunately when these events happened one thought oneself invincible due to the fame and celebrity one had. It seems highly likely that he must have some skeletons in the cupboard.

    He was well loved in my youth and I believe still appreciated by the British public; it will be as big a shock as the revelations about Rolf Harris.
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    Was it a big shock? I wasn't surprised at all when I found out about him, but nothing really surprises me at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    ... It seems highly likely that he must have some skeletons in the cupboard....
    I would think we ALL have 'skeletons in our cupboard.

    The police had a warrant to search Harris' home and they took a personal PC containing 33 'indecent' images. I have over 100 images!

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    ^Unless you are a total idiot, the images you have will be of the "Legal" kind, not ones of children. As i previously stated, Harris will now
    likely die in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ... "Legal" ....
    We were "illegal" a short time ago.

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    ^I know Pat, though your post implied the "here and now", when you mentioned the images that you have......

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    Quote Originally Posted by carey579 View Post
    [CENTER]

    Pat Grimshaw do you work for the Daily Mail or something?

    Why are you posting unfortunate pictures of the female victim?

    Is that to make her look evil/ugly/scary so that her claim looks refutable?
    She is not a victim. She is the prosecutor. Get your facts right

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    The police had a warrant to search Harris' home and they took a personal PC containing 33 'indecent' images. I have over 100 images!
    I am confused as to why these images haven't been used to prosecute him
    Apparently a whole load of new allegations against him are being considered

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    She is not a victim. She is the prosecutor. Get your facts right
    I already did.

    Quote Originally Posted by carey579 View Post
    My bad, the prosecutor.

    Good for her

    What's your problem?

    Especially if she's bringing justice to women from evil inside and ugly outside pigs like Rolf.

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    ^Be careful, he may accuse you of being biased or of having a chip on your shoulder.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^Be careful, he may accuse you of being biased or of having a chip on your shoulder.........
    Does he make spout bullshit like you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    She is not a victim. She is the prosecutor. Get your facts right
    Quote Originally Posted by medic1 View Post
    ^Be careful, he may accuse you of being biased or of having a chip on your shoulder.........
    Oops, my bad, i can see why you thought i would direct that comment to you. See i can make an apology, when needed.......

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    He will most likely die in prison, but he got to live most his life and all his young life like normal sadly.

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    This woman is now claiming that Harris put his hand inside her knickers on live TV ten years ago. But where is the footage as documentary evidence?

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    Vanessa Feltz she's still trying to get noticed on tv Linda Nolan said he did it as well.

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    I know that Linda Nolan will do anything to get noticed she is desperate for money she recently lost most of it and she is rather vicious as well, especially after the way she spoke to Jim Davidson I wouldn't put it past her to make something up.

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    ^ Where's the footage from these wannabe-celebrities? Nolan is crying about an incident F O R T Y Y E A R S ago. That's before you were born.

    She should be devoting her life to this man, St François de Sales, the patron saint for holding grudges.


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    Every police station and every community centre in the civilized world has staff who are ready, willing and eager to hear complaints about lechers and gropers. WHy didn't all these women complain then?

    They hold on to the grudges over a five-minute incident for decades. Harris will be dead soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Every police station and every community centre in the civilized world has staff who are ready, willing and eager to hear complaints about lechers and gropers. WHy didn't all these women complain then?

    They hold on to the grudges over a five-minute incident for decades. Harris will be dead soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Every police station and every community centre in the civilized world has staff who are ready, willing and eager to hear complaints about lechers and gropers. WHy didn't all these women complain then?

    They hold on to the grudges over a five-minute incident for decades. Harris will be dead soon.

    Yeah why don't women just shut up and let the cycle of abuse keep happening. Boys will be boys and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Every police station and every community centre in the civilized world has staff who are ready, willing and eager to hear complaints about lechers and gropers. WHy didn't all these women complain then?

    They hold on to the grudges over a five-minute incident for decades. Harris will be dead soon.
    Probably because at that time these sorts of services had not yet been put into general practice; such as the guidelines for taking rape reports that we see used today.

    Also remember the ages of these young boys and girls; they were more likely to hide what happened than happily go shouting it from the rooftops. I agree they have waited a considerable number of years to make their complaints known to the general public. It may well be that there seemed no real possibility of being believed until the press started investigating.

    I think many of my age are so shocked by the revelations as these are the celebrities with whom we grew up. The people that we hurried home from school to watch on the TV. The famous people who appeared in our newspapers.

    I would also refrain from the thought that suffering from sexual abuse during many years could be considered 'holding a grudge'. Suffering and psychological damage does not cease simultaneously with the abuser stopping his abuse.
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    Re: Rolf Harris; do you care?

    Gee Grimshaw.

    Obsess much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pat grimshaw View Post
    Every police station and every community centre in the civilized world has staff who are ready, willing and eager to hear complaints about lechers and gropers. WHy didn't all these women complain then?

    They hold on to the grudges over a five-minute incident for decades. Harris will be dead soon.
    Getting someone charged and convicted of rape is really difficult to do and in the past it was even harder, with a lot of police refusing to take rape seriously. Add in the fact that these people are celebs and you have the police not taking anything seriously. It takes people coming forward to let others start talking as well.

    It is not holding a grudge, its finally being able to speak up on it. Children that are abused do not feel they can come forward, and that power lasts a long old time over people.

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    The video of the 'shocking ordeal' is still being suppressed 19 years later


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    Being in Australia this news story has updates constantly on the news. Apparently today 18 more women are standing in line to give evidence of sexual misconduct against him. It's a high pedestal to fall from.

    My first thought when I heard the sentence was "well, I guess they'll be taking down that portrait of the queen he did a few years back and throwing it in the furnace".

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    portriats a thang
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    Re: Rolf Harris; do you care?

    Pat I get the impression that you think Harris should not have been taken to court.

    Do you think he should not have been prosecuted? If so for which reason:

    a) He is a celebrity.
    b) It happened a long time ago
    c) The girls should have reported it straight away
    d) They should think themselves lucky he showed any interest in them
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    Re: Rolf Harris; do you care?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyAnger View Post
    Getting someone charged and convicted of rape is really difficult to do ...
    Possibly so, but let's be clear that Harris was charged with, and convicted of, indecent assault rather than rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unloadonme View Post
    Possibly so, but let's be clear that Harris was charged with, and convicted of, indecent assault rather than rape.
    Sure sorry, but either way victim blaming and the culture of the police has meant its taken a long time for these cases to come up.

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    I understand he has been found guilty of indecent assault and for that he deserves his time behind bars, however Linda Nolan is a sexist liar who hates men and makes them out to all be chauvinist pigs she most likely only wants to sell a story for a little cash, she is desperate to get her face back in the media. Venessa Feltz has been just plain desperate to get back on TV don't be fooled by them two they are a peice of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpnice View Post
    Pat I get the impression that you think Harris should not have been taken to court....
    Do you have an "impression"? Do you have a "feeling"?

    I suggest you re-read my words in this thread and look at the documentary evidence I have presented in this thread.

    My gripe is with the small amount of documentary evidence presented in the trial and the very LARGE amount of undocumented impressions and unquantifiable memories given by invisible 'persons unnamed'.

    I get annoyed at this cloak of secrecy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legionair View Post
    ...My first thought when I heard the sentence was "well, I guess they'll be taking down that portrait of the queen he did a few years back and throwing it in the furnace"….

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    I think it depends on who owns the thing. Silly emotional people, the kind of people who enjoy celebrities —like the ones mentioned in post #68— will burn it.

    But people like British queen who a strong sense of history know that fools who are salivating over this current with-hunt will change their mind in 2 decades. The shameful Irish convicts who were exiled to my land two centuries are now forgiven as being misunderstood and venerated as pioneers. Oscar Wilde was convicted for 2 years for playing with young rent-boys but he is now excused for his 'misdemeanour'.*

    Quote Originally Posted by Legionair View Post
    ….Off Topic - This is still the only official Australian portrait of the Queen that still hangs in Town Halls and schools etc.

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    ^ That is painting by William Dargie of the "Wattle Dress".


    But are you sure it's still hanging in Town Halls, schools post offices and ALL government departments?

    All the ones I know took it down over ten years ago and replaced it with all this—


    Most local councils and parliaments I know no longer offer a routine prayer of allegiance asking God's guidance and wisdom in their deliberations but make a new prayer to unnamed mysterious native gods/spirits with unpronounceable names and their own cloak of secrecy.

    *BTW; I am not comparing Harris with Wilde. Oscar Wilde was an Irishman but an artist of genuine talents.

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    Re: Rolf Harris; do you care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Legionair View Post
    My first thought when I heard the sentence was "well, I guess they'll be taking down that portrait of the queen he did a few years back and throwing it in the furnace".
    They'll have to find it first.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28105318

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