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    Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    “Their ideological structure makes confrontation with us inevitable,” [Sisi] said in a television interview. “The ideological structure of these groups is that we are not real Muslims and they are real Muslims,” he continued. “An ideology like that cannot come back.”
    Although he believes Egypt needs a strong hand at the helm a la Nasser, and so is not likely to allow much movement toward a real republic, perhaps his attitude expressed here could be a turning point? a position around which moderates can rally and make a stand?



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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    The idea of him acting as pharaoh is pretty much spot on. He is about as anti-democracy as they come.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    The idea of him acting as pharaoh is pretty much spot on. He is about as anti-democracy as they come.
    I heard a talking head on the tube say Sisi believes in "local democracy", by which he means on the neighborhood level. I guess he thinks people should only get to vote when everyone knows everyone.....

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Egypt is fucked.

    They overthrew Mubarak/military rule, and had one free election. Unfortunately the winner of that election tried to install himself as de facto dictator and place himself above the law. So they overthrew him and the military takes over again, and now they have another autocratic anti-democracy military ruler which is pretty much back to what they had with Mubarak.

    Their government institutions are so weak (and constantly changing) that there seems to be nothing preventing whoever is in power from declaring himself an autocrat.
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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Maybe what Egypt needs is a pyramid building project.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    The worst of it is that Sisi doesn't even seem to be that intelligent or erudite in matters of domestic or foreign affairs.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Maybe what Egypt needs is a pyramid building project.
    What Egypt needs is a democratically-elected, non-autocratic, secular, liberal President to lead the country forward.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    The worst of it is that Sisi doesn't even seem to be that intelligent or erudite in matters of domestic or foreign affairs.
    He predicted the uprising -- that's not too shabby.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Special K View Post
    What Egypt needs is a democratically-elected, non-autocratic, secular, liberal President to lead the country forward.
    Not even possible. So long as the tribal mentality shared by the Muslim Brotherhood is strong, democracy isn't going to work. They need to make the Magna Carta step, and gain the understanding that power doesn't have to be in just the hands of one man, or of just the military.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Special K View Post
    What Egypt needs is a democratically-elected, non-autocratic, secular, liberal President to lead the country forward.
    Baby steps...

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Special K View Post
    What Egypt needs is a democratically-elected, non-autocratic, secular, liberal President to lead the country forward.
    Yeah not going to happen. As we saw with the Morsi election, the Egyptian populace is not prepared to elect such a leader. The Islamic traditionalists still comprise a majority.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    The worst step would be continuing on the road to a theocratic state as was the ultimate plan of the Brotherhood. Legitimize itself through the vote and ensure they develop the infrastructure to control all aspects of civil society. That said, the move back to a strongman type is worrisome but if Sisi isn't too authoritarian and the seeds for democratic institutions can be planted and allowed to grow Egypt can have a more prosperous, stable future. But instant democracy... either forced by military invasion or more peaceably promoted through the mere exercise of the vote, simply will not happen.
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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    The worst step would be continuing on the road to a theocratic state as was the ultimate plan of the Brotherhood. Legitimize itself through the vote and ensure they develop the infrastructure to control all aspects of civil society. That said, the move back to a strongman type is worrisome but if Sisi isn't too authoritarian and the seeds for democratic institutions can be planted and allowed to grow Egypt can have a more prosperous, stable future. But instant democracy... either forced by military invasion or more peaceably promoted through the mere exercise of the vote, simply will not happen.
    Sometimes it takes an authoritarian to pave the way for liberty.

    It's interesting that there have been places where it took a strong, autocratic central government to tame the tribalism and factionalism of a country, and then -- the classic example being with the Magna Carta -- the lower power foci to restrain the center, before the notion that the people themselves should have a say can be established in a stable way.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Yeah, that kinda looks like revisionism.
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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Yeah, that kinda looks like revisionism.
    ?

    What looks like revisionism?

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Your political interpretation of the context around the Magna Carta.
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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Your political interpretation of the context around the Magna Carta.
    It's straight history: the lower foci of power forced limitations on the central power, i.e. the barons forced the king to surrender some of his authority.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It's straight history: the lower foci of power forced limitations on the central power, i.e. the barons forced the king to surrender some of his authority.
    The gradual transition to democracy in England and the UK is why it didn't suffer the 80 years of tumultuous regime change that France experienced.

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    Re: Egypt's soon-to-be pharoah comments on the Muslim Brotherhood

    From what I see of Africa the whole bloody thing could use a pharaoh, may be not this one, but a pharaoh.

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