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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Fertilizer is productive.
    Then we should let him live and compost his excrement. Execution does not result in fertilizer.

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    If one were to take a world view on capital punishment, the U.S. would be one of the last western (and some eastern) industrialized countries that still allows capital punishment. When some neocon starts crowing about American exceptionalism, our adherence to capital punishment automatically knocks the U.S. out of the top twenty.

    The U.S. should either abolish capital punishment or keep capital punishment and have executions televised live on cable.* The ratings would be awesome. The world then could witness American justice at its finest.

    *Using le guillotine could provide a little nostalgia.
    The guillotine is also more humane than injections.

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    If you want to punish people, you're not interested in Justice. Justice is restitution. A righting or at least an attempt to mitigate the wrong. Frankly people who say "he got what he deserved" are pretty surface people who aren't thinking about justice in the first place.

    That said - so why worry about the deaths of vile criminals? Answer - we do not yet posses clairvoyance enough to guarantee everyone executed was guilty - in fact we KNOW we execute the innocent.

    Our own founding fathers were of the philosophy that it was better that a hundred guilty go free rather than convict one innocent man.

    Strange how the blood-lusters ignore that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I answered your question on how I defined left. You're the one who went off topic.
    You provided an [off-topic] illustration – in which you characterized another member via a hypothetical interrogatory statement.

    You have yet to respond to that member’s interrogatory responses.

    FWIW, It is my opinion that true wealth involves much more than a vault filled with gold coins.


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    The left: ... people that demand 'social equality' for all when they really mean social equality for everyone else but themselves.
    That explanation could easily be used to describe Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    You provided an [off-topic] illustration – in which you characterized another member via a hypothetical interrogatory statement.

    You have yet to respond to that member’s interrogatory responses.

    FWIW, It is my opinion that true wealth involves much more than a vault filled with gold coins.




    That explanation could easily be used to describe Jesus Christ.
    Another off-topic tangent. Jesus Christ did not come for social change, he came to offer salvation by his dying and rising from the dead. Going down the path that Christ mandated social change is wrong -- Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.

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    Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.
    God Bless Captain Vere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Another off-topic tangent. Jesus Christ did not come for social change, he came to offer salvation by his dying and rising from the dead. Going down the path that Christ mandated social change is wrong -- Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.
    Wait he came along and changed everything. Jesus is the epitome requesting of social change. He asked that you look into your own soul, realize you are flawed, accept his as savior and then change your ways to follow his intricate set of rules --- or to simply love one another --- that part people are still arguing. However it is fact that following a religious creed is social change. Every place they go they attempt to spread the good word and change the hearts of others.

    LOL. Jesus isnt for social change. You are a hoot.
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    Re: Botched Execution in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Another off-topic tangent. Jesus Christ did not come for social change, he came to offer salvation by his dying and rising from the dead. Going down the path that Christ mandated social change is wrong -- Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.
    Well, since the great majority of Christians in the US are doing a piss-poor job of being Christlike, it is not outside the realm of government to take up the slack. Especially since the Old Testament demonstrates that a people should care for each other, then Christians who are slacking should not be surprised when others decide to compel them to live up to their calling.


    Besides that, to minimize His work as you do here is a slap in His face. How could His people not seek to show compassion and caring in their form of government, when He has given the formation of that government into their hands?

    Remember that it was Christians who drove the abolition of slavery. By your statement, they should have just kept their mouths shut. Fortunately, they knew better.
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    First you Sedate them
    Then you Inject them
    and just before tossing them in an unmarked grave, shoot them between the eyes so their Zombie doesn't come back


    How hard is that?

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    Re: Botched Execution in Oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Well, since the great majority of Christians in the US are doing a piss-poor job of being Christlike, it is not outside the realm of government to take up the slack. Especially since the Old Testament demonstrates that a people should care for each other, then Christians who are slacking should not be surprised when others decide to compel them to live up to their calling.


    Besides that, to minimize His work as you do here is a slap in His face. How could His people not seek to show compassion and caring in their form of government, when He has given the formation of that government into their hands?

    Remember that it was Christians who drove the abolition of slavery. By your statement, they should have just kept their mouths shut. Fortunately, they knew better.
    It was the Enlightenment - a rejection of 1700 years of theology and an embrace of rationalism and materialist pragmatism - that drove the concept of human rights, the abolition of slavery, and the establishment of our modern forms of government. Not Jesus or God or Religion. The form it takes is a human invention, and a stellar human achievement at that.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Another off-topic tangent. Jesus Christ did not come for social change, he came to offer salvation by his dying and rising from the dead. Going down the path that Christ mandated social change is wrong -- Christians should lead godly and good lives as a reflection of their faith.

    You don't know Jesus, do you?

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    Sticking with the execution drug(s) specifically, what does a vet use to euthanize animals? That seemed to work pretty quick and painless when I was a kid and we had to put our dog down. What is wrong with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayHawk View Post
    Wait he came along and changed everything. Jesus is the epitome requesting of social change. He asked that you look into your own soul, realize you are flawed, accept his as savior and then change your ways to follow his intricate set of rules --- or to simply love one another --- that part people are still arguing. However it is fact that following a religious creed is social change. Every place they go they attempt to spread the good word and change the hearts of others.

    LOL. Jesus isnt for social change. You are a hoot.
    You and others here are missing the meaning of the Gospel and the reason Jesus was born, died, and rose. He did not come for social change -- he came for salvation of sinners.

    I understand why you would be confused since many lost Christian churches now promote social change over the Gospel.

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    You don't know Jesus, do you?
    I do and I hope you would also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cityboy-stl View Post
    what does a vet use to euthanize animals?
    Companion pets are generally euthanized by intravenous administration of sodium pentobarbital (pentobarbitone). The barbiturate enters the blood stream and causes very rapid loss of consciousness. Soon thereafter, the animalís heart stops beating while they are effectively under deep anesthesia.

    The Humane Society of the United States, The American Humane Association, and the American Veterinary Medical Association recommend that method as the most humane, safest, least stressful, and most professional choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    It was the Enlightenment - a rejection of 1700 years of theology and an embrace of rationalism and materialist pragmatism - that drove the concept of human rights, the abolition of slavery, and the establishment of our modern forms of government. Not Jesus or God or Religion. The form it takes is a human invention, and a stellar human achievement at that.
    In both Britain and the US, the anti-slavery movement was driven by Christians. They returned to the ancient position of the church, which was that no man may own the Image of God, and thus people cannot be property.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You and others here are missing the meaning of the Gospel and the reason Jesus was born, died, and rose. He did not come for social change -- he came for salvation of sinners.

    I understand why you would be confused since many lost Christian churches now promote social change over the Gospel.
    Your Gospel reductionism is an insult to the glory of God the Son. If the only thing He came for was to be born, die, and rise, then He wouldn't have needed to spend three years in ministry showing us how we're to live. Yes, He came to save sinners, but He came for far more than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I do and I hope you would also.
    Your politics don't show it: you support a government cruel enough to the poor that the ancient Prophets would utter condemnation at least as stringent as anything they aimed at Israel.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    Your Gospel reductionism is an insult to the glory of God the Son. If the only thing He came for was to be born, die, and rise, then He wouldn't have needed to spend three years in ministry showing us how we're to live. Yes, He came to save sinners, but He came for far more than that.



    Your politics don't show it: you support a government cruel enough to the poor that the ancient Prophets would utter condemnation at least as stringent as anything they aimed at Israel.
    Jesus came to save the lost ... all sinners from eternal damnation.

    You've bought into modern Christianity and modern Evangelicalism that distorts the Gospel into some kind of 'mentality for social change'.

    We all need to do more to help others -- the difference is in how that should be accomplished. It's better to show someone how to make something so that they can provide for themselves instead of providing goods, services, and money to them without them doing anything for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You and others here are missing the meaning of the Gospel and the reason Jesus was born, died, and rose. He did not come for social change -- he came for salvation of sinners.

    I understand why you would be confused since many lost Christian churches now promote social change over the Gospel.

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    I do and I hope you would also.
    Trust me.

    You do not know Jesus.

    That much is nakedly clear in your analysis and assessment of him.

    He didn't overturn the tables of the money lenders in the temple because he was saving souls of sinners.

    He was crucified for sedition.

    Why not read up on your saviour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Jesus came to save the lost ... all sinners from eternal damnation.
    But that's not all He did. He came to show us how to live, as well, else Paul would not have talked about imitating Christ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You've bought into modern Christianity and modern Evangelicalism that distorts the Gospel into some kind of 'mentality for social change'.
    Actually, I've bought into Patristic Christianity. It doesn't dismember Christ into pieces and throw some away, as your Gospel reductionism does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    We all need to do more to help others -- the difference is in how that should be accomplished. It's better to show someone how to make something so that they can provide for themselves instead of providing goods, services, and money to them without them doing anything for it.
    The Prophets disagree with you. They condemn most of what you stand for economically -- piling wealth on wealth, having multiple houses while there are homeless, eating expensive food while others are hungry, charging heavy rents to the poor (and taxing them), and somehow regarding that as righteous. Indeed, if we were to do as Jesus teaches and follow the Prophets on matters of mercy, every corporation would be required to provide a tenth of what they make to the poor, at no cost.


    Jesus was Prophet, Priest, and King. You want to strip away Prophet and King, and leave only half the office of Priest. You've bought into modern evangelicalism's mockery of Jesus, eager to save souls but without compassion for people's whole selves.

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    He didn't overturn the tables of the money lenders in the temple because he was saving souls of sinners.
    Well, He did, but that wasn't the only reason. And that's the problem with the position Jack inhabits: it abandons all the other reasons Jesus lived. Today's "evangelicals" love to point out how Jesus referred to Adam and Eve, but they studiously avoid all His references to the Prophets who condemned the accumulation of wealth when others were needy, among a myriad of other things. And they take please in asserting that God will judge nations for embracing iniquity, yet ignore the fact that over and over again the Prophets declared that kingdoms and nations were being judged for their failure to take care of the poor among them, not just because they looked to false gods.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Trust me.

    You do not know Jesus.

    That much is nakedly clear in your analysis and assessment of him.

    He didn't overturn the tables of the money lenders in the temple because he was saving souls of sinners.

    He was crucified for sedition.

    Why not read up on your saviour?
    You're missing the main focus of the Bible and the birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ. He did all this to save sinners like you and me.

    I realize that you probably don't accept the deity of Jesus Christ.

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    He did all this to save sinners like you and me.
    Save them from what, exactly?

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    I personally do not consider myself a sinner. I am a person with good and bad qualities, and I try to make the good rise over the bad. I refuse to accept some naive supposition of default sinfulness I am supposed to have been born with. Not a fan of religions that try to guilt-trip me for what someone else did in a fairy tale, ESPECIALLY when she had every right to do it to being with haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're missing the main focus of the Bible and the birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ. He did all this to save sinners like you and me.

    I realize that you probably don't accept the deity of Jesus Christ.
    And like all those simple folks who think they know and understand the focus of the bible, you are totally missing the main point of the context that frames the entire story.

    The Jesus you know is this one dimensional caricature that exists only in dogma and religious rite.

    There's way more going on than that. I challenged you last year to read Reza Aslan's book. It is clear that like all the other fundamentalists who refuse to look beyond their Sunday School understanding of the birth of Christianity...that you couldn't be bothered.

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    Are you people listening to yourselves? I am pretty sure that Jesus the Christ did not suffer crucifixion or sow his ministry because he was waiting to hear his disciples and followers bicker amongst themselves about his mission. Atheists and agnostics might disbelieve or question his time on earth and be expected to, but it is Christians like the lot of you who drove me from the church with your pomposity and hypocrisy. If you truly accepted the simplicity of his message, you would not be spending your time here having a pissing contest to see who gets the "I know Jesus Best" trophy.

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    ^ Oh God. another one.

    The message was simple. His activities during his lifetime were not.

    You and Jack can have this fuzzy, non-intellectual approach to Jesus...but biblical and historical scholars find much more to the man and his times than the reductivist caricature that christianity has made out of him and his works.

    The man was a social zealot. His disciples were social zealots. That is the point being argued here in relationship to the execution of this inmate.

    Not whether 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you' is a nice thought and essential precept to live by.

    In which case, for this inmate...would have involved being shot and then buried alive if we took an old testamentarian view of the phrase.

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    Save them from what, exactly?
    Eternal damnation in hell .... forever separated from God.

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    Eternal damnation in hell .... forever separated from God.
    Hell looks pretty damn good if the other place is populated with people like you. Ten minutes is bad enough but spending an eternity with you and others like yourself would be a personal hell for me.

    If Jesus would just save us from his fan club I might give Christianity a second look.
    Brainwash yourself before someone nasty beats you to it

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    Thank you, rareboy, for so eloquently confirming my post. I share nothing with Jack Springer, and I deeply resent your inference that I take a non-intellectual approach because I don't share your views. What utter arrogance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    The man was a social zealot. His disciples were social zealots. That is the point being argued here in relationship to the execution of this inmate.
    This is true, but He was also far more than that.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Thank you, rareboy, for so eloquently confirming my post. I share nothing with Jack Springer, and I deeply resent your inference that I take a non-intellectual approach because I don't share your views. What utter arrogance.
    Where did he say you "take a non-intellectual approach because [you] don't share [his] views"?

    Jesus Himself spent a fair amount of time correcting false views of things, beginning with His refrain of "You have heard that it was said... but I say to you....", and right up to the final statements in the Temple in His final week. To not correct false views is, then, to fail to be imitators of Him.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    If Jesus would just save us from his fan club I might give Christianity a second look.
    I kept telling that to many Campus Crusade people while at OSU. They didn't seem to grasp that I was serious when I said that if I hadn't already concluded that the Gospel was the truth, they would have driven me away.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    People all over the world think the United States is barbaric. Oklahoma proved them right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palemale View Post
    People all over the world think the United States is barbaric. Oklahoma proved them right.
    Point of interest - people all over the world think the United States is a bully, and comprised of crazy religious, trigger-happy, big mac-fed, fat morons who don't know shit about anything outside of their country. They don't, however, think you're barbaric...

    The above is not my opinion btw, nor do I share it.
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    The Warner execution has been stayed until November 13.

    The Oklahoma attorney general's office on Thursday agreed to a 180-day stay of execution for death-row inmate Charles Warner, while the state investigates last week’s botched execution of Clayton Lockett.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...charles-warner
    Veterinarians are not permitted to use Oklahoma's execution cocktail on animals.

    An injection of chemicals used to execute death row inmates can cause such excruciating pain that veterinarians are banned from using them to put down animals, according to one of the most thorough reviews ever undertaken of the administration of the death penalty.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...tution-animals

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    Are we really arguing with Jack about Christ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    Veterinarians are not permitted to use Oklahoma's execution cocktail on animals.
    And we do execution by injection because . . . . . ???

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    No one likes to electrocute them anymore? Hanging is out of fashion? There's just something soooooooo 1890's about a firing squad?

    Of course because it's supposed to be "humane."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    Are we really arguing with Jack about Christ?
    I know, I look at the thread and go all nostalgic and "daaaw".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolyo85 View Post
    I know, I look at the thread and go all nostalgic and "daaaw".
    I can't think of anything more tedious than Jack's political talking points than the ones he has about religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TX-Beau View Post
    I can't think of anything more tedious than Jack's political talking points than the ones he has about religion.
    Sorry that you hate Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Sorry that you hate Christians.
    I mean, many of them are so easy to hate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Sorry that you hate Christians.
    Surely you can do better than this.
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    Surely you can do better than this.
    You're a lost cause. I do feel sorry for you.

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    Re: Botched Execution in Oklahoma

    I've always wondered what happened to the GUILLOTINE as an execution method?

    In my feeling, there is no other method in existence that is more humane. Death is absolutely instantaneous, and is impossible for it to be a long and drawn-out thing, because it is pretty much foolproof.

    Uhh...but it looks...GRUESOME! Can't possibly do THAT...

    Or, for that matter, why not prepare the condemned with anaesthetic and related prep-drugs, the same way it is done for somebody going in for (say) open heart surgery, and administer the lethal drugs under the anaesthesia?

    Or, better yet, join the civilized world and simply stop these executions...
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    Guillotine is not actually instantaneous. There is a fair bit of evidence that severed heads can maintain consciousness and awareness of their situation for a few seconds.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Guillotine is not actually instantaneous. There is a fair bit of evidence that severed heads can maintain consciousness and awareness of their situation for a few seconds.
    I had read that, plus there are countless documents indicating that eyes followed people or heads appeared to try to mouth words post-beheading. Very creepy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're a lost cause. I do feel sorry for you.
    Too late for that Jack, your ass is already showing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're a lost cause. I do feel sorry for you.
    Well we all feel sorry for you most of the time, so I guess that's ok.
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    I don't feel sorry for him. Granted he is occasionally sad, usually plagiaristic, and always amusing, but I don't see anything to feel sorry about.

    Lie down with dogs and all that....
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