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    Botched Execution in Oklahoma

    It took 43 minutes for Oklahoma State Penitentiary in McAlister to execute death row inmate Clayton Lockett after using an experimental cocktail of lethal injection drugs. After the initial injection, Lockett remained conscious for several minutes, writhed, experienced a burst blood vessel, and finally died of a heart attack. In the middle of the process, the executioner closed the blinds when Lockett did not respond to the drugs as intended.

    It is becoming more difficult to procure drugs from reluctant companies that refuse to participate in capital punishment, thus Oklahoma's new untested method. It comes as no surprise that the guinea pig for the new process was Clayton Lockett, an African American. Are we savages? The shock of a botched execution and yet another example of racial disparity in criminal justice will only contribute to the undoing of capital punishment in the United States.

    Clayton Lockett was convicted of shooting and burying alive a 19-year old woman in 1999.

    After One Botched Execution, Oklahoma Stays A Second

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    All his from a country where Jesus believers tell you only God can take a life what hypocrisy. Herein England murderers, like roaches go in but they do not come out! It is cheaper believe it or not to put a murderer away for life than to execute as the cost of appeals is unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The shock of a botched execution and yet another example of racial disparity in criminal justice will only contribute to the undoing of capital punishment in the United States.
    That already happened once in the USA. From 1972 to 1977, there were no legal executions, because no one was sure how you could kill someone "humanely."

    From the guillotine to hanging to firing squads to electric chairs to lethal injection, mankind can't seem to come up with a reliable way to kill people that doesn't make it obvious that someone is being killed.

    I am not convinced that Americans will give up on the death penalty, however. Despite its astounding cost, we love it because of its definitiveness and spectacle. That it also happens to be racist and illogical are easy to ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    That already happened once in the USA. From 1972 to 1977, there were no legal executions, because no one was sure how you could kill someone "humanely."

    From the guillotine to firing squads to electric chairs to lethal injection, mankind can't seem to come up with a reliable way to kill people that doesn't make it obvious that someone is being killed.

    I am not convinced that Americans will give up on the death penalty, however. Despite its astounding cost, we love it because of its definitiveness and spectacle. That it also happens to be racist and illogical are easy to ignore.
    Interesting coincidence since you mentioned both, France last used the guillotine in 1977. Even a hanging would have been better than this. If you read the account, the guy clearly was tortured. Not that he wasn't convicted of a gruesome crime, but we shouldn't be the ones who commit them.
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    If carbon monoxide is painless, why don't they use that ?
    Or some sort of sleeping gas ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    If carbon monoxide is painless, why don't they use that ?
    Or some sort of sleeping gas ?
    The last gas chamber execution in the US was of a German national. Karma.

    There were a number of botched executions that phased out the gas chamber in favor of lethal injection. The US really is coming to its senses on this issue. It's only a matter of time before we abolish capital punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The last gas chamber execution in the US was of a German national. Karma.

    There were a number of botched executions that phased out the gas chamber in favor of lethal injection. The US really is coming to its senses on this issue. It's only a matter of time before we abolish capital punishment.

    I absolutely agree. The sooner this barbaric method of punishment is proscribed the better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    The last gas chamber execution in the US was of a German national. Karma.

    There were a number of botched executions that phased out the gas chamber in favor of lethal injection. The US really is coming to its senses on this issue. It's only a matter of time before we abolish capital punishment.

    I absolutely agree. The sooner this barbaric method of punishment is proscribed the better.


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    Heinous and barbaric.

    I cannot believe the courts are deaf to appeals concerning the secret cocktails. Where are they formulated? Someone's garage?

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    I hope it haunts the sleep of his executioners for the rest of their lives.

    Although it probably won't.

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    I wonder how long the 19 year old woman suffered before she died from being buried alive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lambdaboy View Post
    All his from a country where Jesus believers tell you only God can take a life what hypocrisy. Herein England murderers, like roaches go in but they do not come out! It is cheaper believe it or not to put a murderer away for life than to execute as the cost of appeals is unreal.
    Jesus believers also believe in eye for an eye, and that's a WORLDWIDE view, not just an American view. So save the rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    I wonder how long the 19 year old woman suffered before she died from being buried alive?
    In other words, murder is a horrifically unacceptable crime.

    Which we will punish with murder.

    The best way to limit suffering in a society is to create more of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Jesus believers also believe in eye for an eye, and that's a WORLDWIDE view, not just an American view. So save the rhetoric.
    if we FOLLOWED that code more closely , there would be far less crime then there is, you rob-you lose a hand, you rape-you lose your balls.....now all a criminals incentive to not commit a crime is life of someone taking care of them: free cable, gym, food work and library....even death is not a threat due to the bleeding hearts and the appeal process
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    They could always hire Dr. Conrad Murray---lol

    I guess the person that was killed first by a murderer had no pain and did not suffer... yet we complain about the criminal feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Jesus believers also believe in eye for an eye, and that's a WORLDWIDE view, not just an American view. So save the rhetoric.
    Quote Originally Posted by versa39 View Post
    if we FOLLOWED that code more closely , there would be far less crime then there is, you rob-you lose a hand, you rape-you lose your balls.....now all a criminals incentive to not commit a crime is life of someone taking care of them: free cable, gym, food work and library....even death is not a threat due to the bleeding hearts and the appeal process
    Actually, "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" is Old Testament.

    What Jesus said was "Turn the other cheek."

    But, America has never been much inclined toward Christian ideals.

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    I never stated that that's what he said, just what they believe.

    I don't follow religious codes, obviously, being a non-believer. I'm just tired of lambda always trumpeting his country as pure as the driven snow when history tells a very different story.
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    I'm troubled by the death penalty on several fronts, though because of truly heinous cases I haven't totally turned in opposition to it. Too many people who wind up on death row are found innocent when DNA samples are done...the cost of a good defense on the state dime vs a flashy private attorney who gets big bucks to defend those who can afford that kind of defense renders it hard to believe those not with means can reliably garner a good defensive representation... the manner of death is often akin, if not equal, to torture.

    I'm more inclined to just support life imprisonment without the chance for parole but there has to be a mechanism to ensure that anyone who needs a defense attorney gets the best defensive representation possible. Keeping someone in prison who turns out to have been falsely convicted is no better a practice than dubious death sentences.

    I have no idea if Mr. Lockett truly felt remorse for killing that young woman before he died, but I am sympathetic to the perspective that in our pursuit of real justice we don't resort to bloodthirsty vengeance masquerading as justice. It was not a proud moment no matter his guilt in the way that he died.... even the worst of us should not be expendable guinea pigs. We can't become desensitized to causing suffering merely because of the terrible actions of those who commit them... makes it all too easy to justify any rash, harsh action in very difficult situations. We lose our humanity if we succumb to it.

    The death penalty even for the worst of us is not worth the potential to lose our own humanity and I would say now I'm fully against it.
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    ^Well stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Clayton Lockett was convicted of shooting and burying alive a 19-year old woman in 1999.
    It sounds like he got what he deserved to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post

    It is becoming more difficult to procure drugs from reluctant companies that refuse to participate in capital punishment, thus Oklahoma's new untested method. It comes as no surprise that the guinea pig for the new process was Clayton Lockett, an African American. Are we savages? The shock of a botched execution and yet another example of racial disparity in criminal justice will only contribute to the undoing of capital punishment in the United States.

    Clayton Lockett was convicted of shooting and burying alive a 19-year old woman in 1999.

    After One Botched Execution, Oklahoma Stays A Second
    I have mixed feelings on the death penalty. If its used it should be done humanely. Unfortunately things on Earth don't always go as planned.
    I see no relevance to pointing out that this was a black man. It doesn't matter that the victim of this SAVAGE was white , nor was it pointed out.
    There is a time where removal or simple brute justice just works.
    As can be seen in any movie theater around the world on popular movies every year with cheering and applause when those that deserve it finally get it. This is such a case.
    Lockett got what he deserved. Many not just in the USA would claim he deserved much worse. I can understand that view too.

    Stephanie Nieman, 19 was kidnapped, shot twice and buried alive in 1999 a month after she graduated from high school.
    Miss Neiman's friend was dragged into the house and hit in the face with a shotgun.

    Under duress, the friend then called Miss Neiman into the home and she was also hit in the face with the gun.

    Her friend was raped by all three men before they were taken to a rural part of Kay County, Oklahoma

    Lockett told them that he was going to kill them all but shot Miss Neiman twice when she refused to give her keys and pickup's alarm code.

    When she was shot , she was stood in a shallow grave that had been dug by one of Lockett's accomplices, Shawn Mathis. He told Lockett that Miss Neiman was still alive, but Lockett ordered Mathis to bury her.

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    I don't know what I think about capital punishment. It seems inhumane enough that people are kept on death row for years, but to botch the deed when the time eventually comes is inexcusable.

    I once worked for a vet and she dispatched dogs and cats within a few seconds every time and very peacefully. The US prison service would do well to match that.

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    Death is too quick. To rot in a jail cell slowly going mad over time and never seeing the outside of a prison is good enough because it will be decades of hell. Quick dispatch, especially if truly guilty and unrepentant, even for me is very tempting but in the end we are NOT them. If there is another life after this, the torment will go on. But so long as they breathe on this earth to never have a free moment again is the best form of revenge and justice. They get the bare minimum of humane treatment but never get an opportunity to hurt another innocent person ever again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    I see no relevance to pointing out that this was a black man. It doesn't matter that the victim of this SAVAGE was white , nor was it pointed out.
    Obviously for some people racial disparity in criminal justice needs to be pointed out.

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    It sounds like he got what he deserved to me.
    But do we have to be the ones who kill? I think not.

    The purpose of punishment is not just to get even. Justice is much more than that.

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    The guy was scum, he deserved the death penalty. The left is making it difficult by pressuring drug companies not to sell the lethal drugs to the states to carry out LEGAL death penalties - that is probably what caused his slow and painful death -- not that he didn't deserve it but execution should be quick.

    You might to acquaint yourself with the man who committed the crimes he paid for with his execution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The left … by pressuring drug companies not to sell the lethal drugs to the states to carry out LEGAL death penalties … is probably what caused [convicted murderer Clayton Lockett’s] slow and painful death

    Interesting concept.

    Click the image below for more …

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    It is unfortunate the way he had to die. He shot a young woman and buried her alive. What did she go through before her death? Suffocation must be an awful way to die and imagine the terror and fear she experienced.

    No one murdered the murderer. He forfeited his life when he cruelly and without mercy took another life. It's not like he accidentally killed her. He surrendered his right to live by an act of his will. I highly doubt a lifetime in prison is merciful. If I understand correctly, he murdered her in 1999. He lived in prison almost as long as his victim had been alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    [Clayton Lockett] forfeited his life when he cruelly and without mercy took another life.
    I agree with the principle of your statement.


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    The left
    How do you define “the left?”

    The [European Commission] said its move, which follows restrictions introduced unilaterally by the UK in November 2010, was designed to forward the European Union's stated mission to abolish the death penalty around the world.

    Europe moves to block trade in medical drugs used in US executions

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    How do you define “the left?”
    The left: socialists, communists, progressives, democrats ... people that demand 'social equality' for all when they really mean social equality for everyone else but themselves.

    As a person on the left are you willing to give up your entire wealth and give it away to other people? (I don't expect an answer, because I think I already know the answer.)

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    (I don't expect an answer, because I think I already know the answer.)
    How do I know that “my wealth” is mine alone?

    What value has wealth when it is hoarded in solitude?

    How does your illustration relate to the topic of discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The left is making it difficult by pressuring drug companies not to sell the lethal drugs to the states to carry out LEGAL death penalties - that is probably what caused his slow and painful death -- not that he didn't deserve it but execution should be quick.

    You might to acquaint yourself with the man who committed the crimes he paid for with his execution.

    http://www.oklahomalegalgroup.com/ne...ponca-city-man
    Your speculation stinks of right wing radio and is bullshit. Simple rodent lemming mentality.

    You might want to acquaint yourself Jack with Dr. Jack, Dr. Jack Kevorkian. His liberal view on assisted suicide with a home made machine loaded with drugs never failed.
    As stated above vets put down animals daily with drugs available. Not just dogs but cattle and other large animals.

    I counter your speculation that it was blotched by a bunch of dumb ass bible thumping right wing Oklahoma morons trying to save a buck. Oklahoma is noted as a conservative Republican sewer in its government.

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    I am of the view that most of the justice in the justice system comes from safeguards in the process to ensure an accurate verdict; i.e., if a person is charged and convicted of a crime, it is only because they actually did commit the crime as charged. Beyond that the sentence should be roughly proportionate to the magnitude of the offence.

    With that in mind, the death penalty should not ever be equated with "murder" when applied accurately to a murderer. In a just system of law, an executioner is never a murderer or a torturer or any of this other rhetoric. In a just system of law, it is a valid and honourable profession. For the crime of murder, the death penalty is a reasonable and fitting outcome. And though the law did not intend it, if this person committed the crime as charged and really left someone to struggle and die buried alive, then by a happy accident, the suffering he experienced was more proportionate to the death he inflicted on someone else, than had he just quietly slipped away as planned.

    That being said, the only way for the justice system to maintain any integrity and any legitimacy, is for it to have the ability to overturn an inaccurate verdict, and to restore a person who has suffered an injustice. Since this is impossible after the execution of the death penalty, its use must be severely restricted or eliminated, particularly when there is ample evidence that a country's justice system is not always even-handed or accurate.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    With that in mind, the death penalty should not ever be equated with "murder" when applied accurately to a murderer. In a just system of law, an executioner is never a murderer or a torturer or any of this other rhetoric. In a just system of law, it is a valid and honourable profession.
    The professional association of American doctors, the American Medical Association, does not agree with this thinking. The profession of medicine exists to advance and protect life. Using such skills to advance death - in any capacity - is considered unethical.

    There certainly are many doctors who disagree with this opinion and who participate willingly in executions. But the general consensus of the profession is that participation in capital punishment is neither ethical nor honorable behavior.


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    An interesting comment from Europe via Twitter.

    A Twitter message by someone who pretends to be God somehow caught the European mood. From @TheTweetOfGod: “How could Oklahoma botch an execution? If there’s one thing I would expect Americans to know how to do by now, it’s kill somebody.”

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    An interesting comment from Europe via Twitter.
    Europeans have been killing people for hundreds of years. We don't need to hear from arrogant Europeans about killing when they started the last two world wars and one country in Europe (my ancestry country) exterminated over 12 million people. Russia exterminated many more million in their cleansing.

    Sorry but the arrogant assholes have nothing on the USA.

    Europeans are the expert killers.

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    Your speculation stinks of right wing radio and is bullshit. Simple rodent lemming mentality.

    You might want to acquaint yourself Jack with Dr. Jack, Dr. Jack Kevorkian. His liberal view on assisted suicide with a home made machine loaded with drugs never failed.
    As stated above vets put down animals daily with drugs available. Not just dogs but cattle and other large animals.

    I counter your speculation that it was blotched by a bunch of dumb ass bible thumping right wing Oklahoma morons trying to save a buck. Oklahoma is noted as a conservative Republican sewer in its government.
    We don't know if any of kevorkian's experiments failed. Times have changed. Drugs available before are no longer available, which is the reason Oklahoma and other states are trying new drugs and new sources.

    I'm sorry you and others can't comment without vitriol attacks.

    What sewer did you emerge from? (see ... that doesn't sound nice at all, does it)

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    How do I know that “my wealth” is mine alone?

    What value has wealth when it is hoarded in solitude?

    How does your illustration relate to the topic of discussion?
    I answered your question on how I defined left. You're the one who went off topic.

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    Makes no sense that they can't figure out how to put down a human by lethal injection, but with animals we have been doing it for ages. But I'm sure money is involved somehow. It usually is when something seems more complicated than it ought to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
    Makes no sense that they can't figure out how to put down a human by lethal injection, but with animals we have been doing it for ages. But I'm sure money is involved somehow. It usually is when something seems more complicated than it ought to be.
    Pharmaceutical companies are refusing to supply the drugs.

    We know how to do it well. It is quite easy. In fact every time general anesthesia is administered, a nurse must artificially respirate the patient because propofol temporarily paralyzes the diaphram. Problem is, no company wants to be responsible for supplying anesthetic drugs for lethal injection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    Interesting concept.

    Click the image below for more …

    Gallup Politics, October 29, 2013

    wow republicans really need looking after by the looks of those poll trends, leave them to their own devices and they begin to murder one another.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Pharmaceutical companies are refusing to supply the drugs.
    Looks as if I'm going to have to take back all those snarky comments I've made about "big pharma."

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    The guy deserved what happened ... many of you believe in karma ... remember the guy watched as his victim was buried alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The guy deserved what happened ... many of you believe in karma ... remember the guy watched as his victim was buried alive.
    This attitude depends on whether retribution is an element of criminal justice. The liberal philosophy says that damage has been done, so what is the point? Obviously there must be payment for transgressing against society, but what good does sitting in a prison cell do or going to eternal sleep? I should have said slap the motherfucker with 100,000 hours of community service, even if that means pulverizing rocks into gravel for the rest of his life; do something productive. Actually the latter should be a conservative value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    This attitude depends on whether retribution is an element of criminal justice. The liberal philosophy says that damage has been done, so what is the point? Obviously there must be payment for transgressing against society, but what good does sitting in a prison cell do or going to eternal sleep? I should have said slap the motherfucker with 100,000 hours of community service, even if that means pulverizing rocks into gravel for the rest of his life; do something productive.
    Fertilizer is productive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Fertilizer is productive.
    Touche....

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    If one were to take a world view on capital punishment, the U.S. would be one of the last western (and some eastern) industrialized countries that still allows capital punishment. When some neocon starts crowing about American exceptionalism, our adherence to capital punishment automatically knocks the U.S. out of the top twenty.

    The U.S. should either abolish capital punishment or keep capital punishment and have executions televised live on cable.* The ratings would be awesome. The world then could witness American justice at its finest.

    *Using le guillotine could provide a little nostalgia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoufOfKhaos View Post
    Jesus believers also believe in eye for an eye, and that's a WORLDWIDE view, not just an American view. So save the rhetoric.
    Given that Jesus explicitly declared an end to that concept, no one who holds it is a "Jesus believer".

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixthson View Post
    It is unfortunate the way he had to die. He shot a young woman and buried her alive. What did she go through before her death? Suffocation must be an awful way to die and imagine the terror and fear she experienced.

    No one murdered the murderer.
    He forfeited his life when he cruelly and without mercy took another life. It's not like he accidentally killed her. He surrendered his right to live by an act of his will. I highly doubt a lifetime in prison is merciful. If I understand correctly, he murdered her in 1999. He lived in prison almost as long as his victim had been alive.

    Never forget the victims or those who loved them.
    If people want to call an execution murder, then they have to concede that taxation is theft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    wow republicans really need looking after by the looks of those poll trends, leave them to their own devices and they begin to murder one another.
    I nominate this for a non sequitur of the month award.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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