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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Do you think it's possible that given the unanimous nature of the lower courts so far, the Supremes will decline bigot appeals, waiting for a circuit reversal to cause a conflict? In other words, we get 10 rulings instead of one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    Do you think it's possible that given the unanimous nature of the lower courts so far, the Supremes will decline bigot appeals, waiting for a circuit reversal to cause a conflict? In other words, we get 10 rulings instead of one.
    At first I was reluctant to agree, but circumstances then were different. I suppose it is possible now.

    We will know more this summer.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Gov. John Kitzhaber:

    “The people of this state have come to understand that marriage equality affects our neighbors and our co-workers and the people next to us at the grocery store. It affects loving families that are committed to one another.”
    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/05/s...iage-decision/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    Do you think it's possible that given the unanimous nature of the lower courts so far, the Supremes will decline bigot appeals, waiting for a circuit reversal to cause a conflict? In other words, we get 10 rulings instead of one.
    Given the present court and its mediocre Chief Justice, it's entirely possible. Of course some of the justices will take politics into account, and make their decision on whether the Court should hear the issue based on how they think it will affect the presidential election.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    At first I was reluctant to agree, but circumstances then were different. I suppose it is possible now.

    We will know more this summer.
    Agreed. I certainly didn't expect this sweeping storm in circuit after circuit, which is what makes this approach conceivable.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    In that case, there's a sort of schadenfruade - immediate gratification of seeing the states in a circuit be denied a hearing by SCOTUS so that they have no recourse but to comply with the circuit ruling.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    The Oregon Family Council has weighed in:

    Regardless of your view on same-sex marriage, May19th, 2014 will be remembered as a tragic day for Oregonians and our cherished system of representative government.

    From every appearance, key elected officials in collusion with special interests and a single federal judge have taken the sacred constitutional process of lawmaking and turned it into a coordinated publicity stunt.

    The tragedy began when the Attorney General and Governor spurned their sworn duty to uphold the state constitution by refusing to defend a key provision passed by some 57% of the electorate. Next, on federal judge, Michael McShane, through an abuse of technical shenanigans literally barred any argument defending the Oregon constitutional definition of marriage from being presented in court.
    more at https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...count=1&ref=nf


    It's amazing how they manage to twist a judge doing his job into something sinister, and turn our "sacred constitutional process" on its head.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Just because an issue passed at a referendum doesn't make it constitutional. I'm sure re-instating Jim Crow laws would pass easily in several states (not all in the Confederacy by any means).

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    Some beautiful pictures from today:

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/05/g...not-in-oregon/

    Kulindahr, I've thought a lot about you today. I know you've mentioned on here a few times that you and other gay men in the area where you live have felt unsafe to be out to others. I hope that this helps break down the barriers that still exist in certain areas of Oregon.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Congrats to Oregon!!!

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    I was hoping I would live to see this.
    I couldn't get my mind off you all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    Some beautiful pictures from today:

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/05/g...not-in-oregon/

    Kulindahr, I've thought a lot about you today. I know you've mentioned on here a few times that you and other gay men in the area where you live have felt unsafe to be out to others. I hope that this helps break down the barriers that still exist in certain areas of Oregon.
    It will cause a backlash before it helps.
    Last edited by Kulindahr; May 29th, 2014 at 08:15 PM.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    WTF???


    NOM asks U.S. Supreme Court to halt same-sex marriages in Oregon


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/05/n...ges-in-oregon/

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    yea, they've been trying to weasel their way into the case even though lower courts have repeatedly said they have no standing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    WTF???


    NOM asks U.S. Supreme Court to halt same-sex marriages in Oregon


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/05/n...ges-in-oregon/
    They know that they aren't going to be successful. They must just be trying to raise bilk more money from the base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    They know that they aren't going to be successful. They must just be trying to raise bilk more money from the base.
    I hope Kennedy has something scathing to say to them.....

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I hope Kennedy has something scathing to say to them.....
    All briefs are in. A decision is forthcoming, but for NOM I wouldn't hold my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    All briefs are in. A decision is forthcoming, but for NOM I wouldn't hold my breath.
    I'm hoping for a harsh smack down

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    I will be my next paycheck that the stay is denied.

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    One understand that NOM is fairly begging supporters to turn up at the June rally in Washington despite their bullshit on their website.

    Note the prominence of 'DONATE TODAY'

    http://www.nomblog.com/39214/

    Hopefully Huckabee will be silenced with their defeat as well...
    Last edited by rareboy; June 3rd, 2014 at 03:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    One understand that NOM is fairly begging supporters to turn up at the June rally in Washington despite their bullshit on their website.


    Hopefully Huckabee will be silenced with their defeat as well...
    That would be a blessing.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    SCOTUS denies stay pending NOM's intervention request.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/06/s...old-in-oregon/

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Well that is one good sign......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    SCOTUS denies stay pending NOM's intervention request.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/06/s...old-in-oregon/
    Ah, brevity:

    The application for stay presented to Justice Kennedy and
    by him referred to the Court is denied.

    It's even better that the whole court spoke, not just Kennedy.

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    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    ^^^I think that that's the main reason why Kennedy requested responses from the plaintiffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    SCOTUS denies stay pending NOM's intervention request.

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/06/s...old-in-oregon/
    I appreciate that the specific legal arguments are different, but it is interesting that SCOTUS would refuse to stay gay marriages in Oregon, when it was so enthusiastic about staying gay marriage in Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I appreciate that the specific legal arguments are different, but it is interesting that SCOTUS would refuse to stay gay marriages in Oregon, when it was so enthusiastic about staying gay marriage in Utah.
    The plaintiffs brief put NOM in its place and so did the denial. It indicates nothing beyond that.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Standing issue - NOM doesn't have any!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I appreciate that the specific legal arguments are different, but it is interesting that SCOTUS would refuse to stay gay marriages in Oregon, when it was so enthusiastic about staying gay marriage in Utah.
    I think it boils down to consideration

    [Damn -- left to go get Bammer some water, came back, and haven't the slightest clue what I was going to say. Maybe I've been a bit heavy on the "special cookies" for pain.]


    It would be nice to know the court's reasoning on the two cases.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    The Gov and AG in Oregon fully agree with the plaintiffs, so if NOM were granted status, and a re-hearing, there is still only a very slim chance they'd prevail; so, no stay for such a remote possibility.

    Utah's Gov and AG are (very!) actively opposing the decision, with a realistic (in theory anyway) possibility of prevailing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    Standing issue - NOM doesn't have any!
    Yes: http://www.advocate.com/politics/mar...-will-continue


    And that reminds me of the difference I was going to point out: in Utah, the state government made the request; in Oregon, it was a totally outside organization.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I think it boils down to consideration

    [Damn -- left to go get Bammer some water, came back, and haven't the slightest clue what I was going to say. Maybe I've been a bit heavy on the "special cookies" for pain.]


    It would be nice to know the court's reasoning on the two cases.
    ahem.

    did you bring enough for everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ahem.

    did you bring enough for everyone?
    These, I wouldn't dare. They were experimental, and the damned things are so powerful that when I ate one of the big ones I went past humor and being stoned to paranoia.

    The other day it took a third of one to deal with my pain while I was working at the conservation project. It handled the pain, but I kept forgetting what I was doing.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Motion to Dismiss filed with the 9th Circuit

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/229559216/14-35427-36

    The Supreme Court has made it clear that “Article III standing ‘is not to be placed in the hands of ‘concerned bystanders,’ who will use it simply as a ‘vehicle for the vindication of value interests.’” Hollingsworth, 133 S. Ct. 2652, 2668 (2013) (quoting Diamond, 476 U.S. at 62

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    I think that qualifies for an "Oh, Snap!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Motion to Dismiss filed with the 9th Circuit

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/229559216/14-35427-36
    They are lowering the boom aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Motion to Dismiss filed with the 9th Circuit

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/229559216/14-35427-36
    I read that and my mind was like



    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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