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    All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Oregon will be the next state to enjoy a court hearing on its marriage ban.

    Oral Arguments will be heard in two consolidated cases tomorrow, April 23 at 1:30 pm

    Wayne L. Morse US Courthouse
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    Eugene, Oregon 97401

    Judge Michael J. McShane presiding. McShane is openly a member of the gay community and an Obama appointee.

    Barring some unlikely events, such as intervention from the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), there will not be a defense presented. It is possible given that circumstance that Judge McShane will rule from the bench. Oregon would be the 20th state to issue legal marriage licenses to same sex couples.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    He denies the intervention, and issues a ruling that the matter is uncontested. NOM appeals their denial, but the decision is not stayed.

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    Thank God for gay judges.

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    Perry made it abundantly clear that groups like NOM do not have standing to appeal in federal court.

    Regardless, the state appears to be anticipating a quick ruling in our favor which will not be stayed since they've already begun making updated marriage licenses.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    A stay has to be based on NOM's having at least a reasonable (something more certain than "remote") chance of succeeding in their appeal.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    I love that Oral Arguments are heard in a case about homo marriage equality.

    I know that I could argue expertly.

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    McShane has denied NOM's attempt to delay oral arguments tomorrow, but will allow them their own oral arguments to argue that they have the right to intervene in the case, which have been scheduled for May 14th. I looks like no rulling on the marriage case will come before that time unfortunately.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Well then, what's the point of meeting tomorrow? Have no one defending the matter, give a summary judgment victory, and then stay marriage licenses until after the NOM hearing?

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    Well then, what's the point of meeting tomorrow? Have no one defending the matter, give a summary judgment victory, and then stay marriage licenses until after the NOM hearing?
    NOM is insufferable that way. Even Bryan Fischer said recently that winning is not really all that important, just the effort of being a pain in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scream4ever View Post
    McShane has denied NOM's attempt to delay oral arguments tomorrow, but will allow them their own oral arguments to argue that they have the right to intervene in the case, which have been scheduled for May 14th. I looks like no rulling on the marriage case will come before that time unfortunately.
    He has to for sake of appearances giving the other side due process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    Well then, what's the point of meeting tomorrow? Have no one defending the matter, give a summary judgment victory, and then stay marriage licenses until after the NOM hearing?
    He will have heard the one set of arguments. If he decides later that NOM can have a say, he only has to hear them. If he decides not, then he goes ahead and issues his ruling.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    He will have heard the one set of arguments. If he decides later that NOM can have a say, he only has to hear them. If he decides not, then he goes ahead and issues his ruling.
    The face that he is still hearing the arguments as scheduled is IMO a strong indicator that he will not allow NOM to intervene. As Alnitak said, the reason he's even allowing them this much of a say is for purposes of due process.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    I don't see how they have standing either. Honestly, when they lose this motion, they're better off ranting about activist judges overturning the Will of the People (ten years ago) than forcing a vote they should know they'll lose fairly solidly. Oregon is an all-mail state, so beating the bushes to get out all your bigots isn't as much of an advantage as it might be elsewhere.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Rallies were held all across the state in conjunction with the hearing:

    http://www.advocate.com/politics/mar...t-noms-defense

    May is going to be another busy month no doubt, with rulings likely coming in for Oregon, Arkansas, and Pennsylvania, and Circuit court hearings in the 4th and possibly the 9th.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    A news account of the Oregon hearing from the Eugene Register-Guard.

    Judge probes marriage issues
    With no attorneys arguing against ending the same-sex wedding ban, McShane raises questions himself

    Faced with lawyers on both sides of the courtroom urging him to strike down Oregon’s ban on same-sex marriage, U.S. District Judge Michael McShane often played devil’s advocate during Wednesday’s oral arguments in the potentially historic case.
    ....
    Lawyers representing ban opponents said they didn’t think McShane had tipped his hand at all during the hearing. His questions centered primarily on probing the different approaches taken by judges in their recent rulings on the same-sex marriage issue, they said.

    http://www.registerguard.com/rg/news...-case.html.csp

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    I suppose he has to go ahead and make sure he seems as impartial as possible.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    I suppose he has to go ahead and make sure he seems as impartial as possible.
    It's not so much about appearances as about leaving no room at all for anyone to tell a higher judge that he didn't give a fair hearing. Any avenue he fails to address is an opening for an appeal.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Quote Originally Posted by palbert View Post
    A news account of the Oregon hearing from the Eugene Register-Guard.
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    The Oregon Catholic Conference endorsed the NOM intervention attempt!

    From hanging out with the RC students at OSU, I know there's already a disconnect between the hierarchy and a lot of the faithful. Educated Catholics already understand that the Church has no business trying to dictate to the state, and this is just going to make the hierarchy look sillier.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    It's not so much about appearances as about leaving no room at all for anyone to tell a higher judge that he didn't give a fair hearing. Any avenue he fails to address is an opening for an appeal.
    They refer to this colloquially as "protecting the record."

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    Here's the problem for NOM trying to use a clerk as standing.
    Li & Kennedy v. Oregon nullified the 4,000 or so gay marriages that had been performed in 2004.
    Part of that ruling made clear clerks in Oregon do NOT have standing in cases of marriage licenses and who can get them.
    So this clerk NOM claims to represent has no legal leg to stand on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninja108 View Post
    Here's the problem for NOM trying to use a clerk as standing.
    Li & Kennedy v. Oregon nullified the 4,000 or so gay marriages that had been performed in 2004.
    Part of that ruling made clear clerks in Oregon do NOT have standing in cases of marriage licenses and who can get them.
    So this clerk NOM claims to represent has no legal leg to stand on.
    States do not determine who may be stand for defense in federal court. It is a separate sovereign.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    McShane will be holding the hearing this morning at 9 a.m. local time on whether to grant NOM standing to defend Measure 36.

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    NOM's attempt to intervene has been denied!

    I've heard reports that McShane will not issue his ruling on the merits today. It's still pretty early so I'm not sure about that honestly...

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    "I know many Oregonians are probably disappointed by the lack of adversaries in this case, but I am not prepared to substitute the executive [with an outside advocacy group]," U.S. District Court Judge Michael McShane said. "This is an Oregon case. It will remain an Oregon case."
    http://www.statesmanjournal.com/stor...-laws/9084459/

    Poor old NOM.

    Their power to influence this debate just shrivels by the day.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    NOM will appeal to the 9th Circuit and ask for a stay on McShane's inevitable ruling. I doubt they'll be successful either, but there's always a chance for a delay.

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    The lawyers for our side have requested that McShane give them 24 hours notice before he hands down his ruling to allow the state to be ready when marriages begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    States do not determine who may be stand for defense in federal court. It is a separate sovereign.
    But has a federal court ever said that someone could represent a state when the state has said, "They can't speak for us?" From all the discussion around the Perry case, it was my understanding that if they state says they can't speak for the state, that settles it, but that if the state says they can, that may not settle it.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    NOM will appeal to the 9th Circuit and ask for a stay on McShane's inevitable ruling. I doubt they'll be successful either, but there's always a chance for a delay.
    I don't see that they have a single card in their hand, let alone a hand to play. It's just grandstanding.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    They won't let themselves retreat to the world of Model T's and tintype photography, where thankfully death is certain, without a fight.
    "All legal U. S. residents who are 18 years or older, shall have an unconditional right to vote." - 28th Amendment, US Constitution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankfrank View Post
    They won't let themselves retreat to the world of Model T's and tintype photography, where thankfully death is certain, without a fight.
    I've actually been a little surprised (and impressed) at how effectively the right has kept gay marriage from happening in the USA. They have lost everywhere they have gone to court, with almost a 100% failure rate. State attorneys general and governors have sometimes refused to defend bigoted laws. Polls show a majority of Americans in favor of marriage equality.

    And yet, despite their complete and utter failure everywhere, almost nowhere is gay marriage happening in places where the courts have ordered that it should be happening. They have almost a 100% failure rate in court - but almost a 100% success rate at preventing the courts from bringing us marriage equality.
    Last edited by T-Rexx; May 14th, 2014 at 10:15 PM.

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    ^^^That's because your average voter is prone to misinformation, which is all they can ride on to win.

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    I'm guessing Oregon United for Marriage is still planning to turn in the signatures Friday next week, so I'm also guessing McShane will try to get in the ruling by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I've actually been a little surprised (and impressed) at how effectively the right has kept gay marriage from happening in the USA. They have lost everywhere they have gone to court, with almost a 100% failure rate. State attorneys general and governors have sometimes refused to defend bigoted laws. Polls show a majority of Americans in favor of marriage equality.

    And yet, despite their complete and utter failure everywhere, almost nowhere is gay marriage happening in places where the courts have ordered that it should be happening. They have almost a 100% failure rate in court - but almost a 100% success rate at preventing the courts from bringing us marriage equality.
    There are a few reasons for this.

    1) Our opponents are psychotically tenacious and will exhaust every conceivable legal option, theory, tactic, and then some.

    2) Realize that the current lawsuits are young. They have not matured to the point where stays and appeals are exhausted. Even in the case of Virginia, we nearly have an appeals decision and it's only a 10 month old case! Who has heard of such speed?

    3) These lawsuits were all filed within a few months of each other. It seems like a lot, yet combined with the above reason it is so little.

    4) Courts are insufferably slow and secretive. It is the smallest branch of government and chronically understaffed, but it is politically impossible to expand it under any one president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I've actually been a little surprised (and impressed) at how effectively the right has kept gay marriage from happening in the USA. They have lost everywhere they have gone to court, with almost a 100% failure rate. State attorneys general and governors have sometimes refused to defend bigoted laws. Polls show a majority of Americans in favor of marriage equality.

    And yet, despite their complete and utter failure everywhere, almost nowhere is gay marriage happening in places where the courts have ordered that it should be happening. They have almost a 100% failure rate in court - but almost a 100% success rate at preventing the courts from bringing us marriage equality.

    Only for a little while in the larger scheme of things.

    One day soon, there will be big change and then only the most recalcitrant and backward states will cling to their 'right' to define marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Only for a little while in the larger scheme of things.

    One day soon, there will be big change and then only the most recalcitrant and backward states will cling to their 'right' to define marriage.
    I hope and believe that is true.

    But, I do pause. What we are all waiting for is SCOTUS. All these myriad federal court cases will ultimately be appealed to SCOTUS. The "victories" are only useful to the extent that they may help to persuade SCOTUS of the mood of the nation. The arguments against gay marriage have been laughable. You would think that any SCOTUS ruling on marriage equality would be a slam dunk in our favor.

    And yet, this court has given us some inexplicable idiocy recently. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, Bush v. Gore, Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, Berghuis v. Thompkins, Buckley v. Valeo, etc. etc, etc.... This court is the product of 30 years of Republican anti-gay rule. It has struggled valiantly to avoid addressing the issue of marriage equality, with which it seems strangely uncomfortable.

    I tremble to realize that the happiness of so many rests on the wisdom of so few. So few who are so flawed, if only by the fact of their humanness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    I hope and believe that is true.

    But, I do pause. What we are all waiting for is SCOTUS. All these myriad federal court cases will ultimately be appealed to SCOTUS. The "victories" are only useful to the extent that they may help to persuade SCOTUS of the mood of the nation. The arguments against gay marriage have been laughable. You would think that any SCOTUS ruling on marriage equality would be a slam dunk in our favor.

    And yet, this court has given us some inexplicable idiocy recently. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, Bush v. Gore, Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, Berghuis v. Thompkins, Buckley v. Valeo, etc. etc, etc.... This court is the product of 30 years of Republican anti-gay rule. It has struggled valiantly to avoid addressing the issue of marriage equality, with which it seems strangely uncomfortable.

    I tremble to realize that the happiness of so many rests on the wisdom of so few. So few who are so flawed, if only by the fact of their humanness.
    Citizens United was the greatest of the idiocies: it was a technically correct decision, upholding the right of people to organize and engage in the spread of information that may have a political impact, but for the most moronically possible reasoning, i.e. that inanimate objects somehow have free speech.

    Berghuis v. Thompkins is scary; it essentially requires a competency test in order to enjoy the exercise of rights. We don't allow literacy tests for voting, so we certainly shouldn't have such a gate for the right to remain silent.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Opinion will be released 12:00 p.m. on Monday.

    According to the ACLU of Oregon via Twitter

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    Couples are already waiting outside the Multnomah Building in Portland.



    Only two hours and 20 minutes left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Couples are already waiting outside the Multnomah Building in Portland.



    Only two hours and 20 minutes left.
    Whoa -- I've met two of those folks!

    Small world.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    NOM's request for an emergency stay has been denied by the 9th Circuit

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/225105048/14-35427-15

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    Last edited by rareboy; May 19th, 2014 at 11:32 AM.

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    http://www.scribd.com/doc/225110142/...01834-Decision

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    Eloquent opinion, and tear jerkingly personal at the end.

    "Because Oregon's marriage laws discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation without a rational relationship to any legitimate government interest, the laws violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment." pp. 1-2

    "All of the plaintiffs share in the characteristics that we would normally look to when we describe the ideals of marriage and family." p. 2

    "[Oregon law] affords the same set of rights and privileges to Tristan and Isolde that it affords to a Hollywood celebrity waking up in Las Vegas with a blurry memory and a ringed finger." pp. 2-3

    "The laws frustrate the plaintiffs' freedom to structure a family life and plan for the future." p. 7

    "Domestic partners are not guaranteed the same treatment at retirement as married couples." p. 8

    "The laws leave the plaintiffs and their families feeling degraded, humiliated, and stigmatized." p. 8

    "The [Equal Protection] clause presumes that one class of citizens will remain entitled to the same benefits and burdens as the law affords to other classes." p. 10

    "In striking down the federal definition, the Supreme Court explained that the law's 'principle purpose and ... necessary effect' was 'to demean' legally married gay and lesbian couples." pp. 11-12

    McShane rightfully points out that,

    "...the panel's decision in SmithKline is not yet a truly final and binding decision." p. 16

    "...the state's marriage laws cannot withstand even the most relaxed level of scrutiny." p. 16

    Quoting Romer

    "A law declaring that in general it shall be more difficult for one group of citizens than for all others to seek aid from the government is in itself a denial of equal protection ... in the most literal sense." pp. 16-17

    "The Equal Protection Clause does not allow classifications drawn solely for the purpose of disadvantaging a particular group intentionally singled out for unequal treatment." p. 17

    Quoting Heller v. Doe (1993)

    "Ancient lineage of a legal concept does not give it immunity from attack for lacking a rational basis." pp. 17-18

    Quoting Lawrence (2003)

    "'the fact that a governing majority in a State has traditionally viewed a particular practice as immoral is not a sufficient reason for upholding a law prohibiting the practice[.]" pp. 18-19

    "Although protecting children and promoting stable families is certainly a legitimate governmental interest, the state's marriage laws do not advance this interest - they harm it." p. 20

    Quoting Judge Walker's decision:

    "Children raised by gay or lesbian parents are as likely as children raised by heterosexual parents to be healthy, successful and well-adjusted. The research supporting this conclusion is accepted beyond serious debate in the field of developmental psychology." p. 22

    "Procreation potential is not a marriage prerequisite." p. 23

    "A couple who has an unplanned child has, by definition, given little thought to the outcome of their actions. The fact that their lesbian neighbors got married in the month prior to conception seems of little import to the stork that is flying their way." p. 23

    "... the relationship between prohibiting same-gender couples from marrying and protecting children and promoting stable families is utterly arbitrary and completely irrational." p. 24

    "The attractiveness of marriage to opposite-gender couples is not derived from its inaccessibility to same-gender couples." p. 24

    "The well-being of Oregon's children is not enhanced by destabilizing and limiting the rights and resources available to gay and lesbian families." p. 24

    "I remember that one of the more popular playground games of my childhood was called "smear the queer" and it was played with great zeal and without a moment's thought to today's political correctness." p. 25

    "Even today I am reminded of the legacy that we have bequeathed today's generation when my son looks dismissively at the sweater I bought him for Christmas and, with a roll of his eyes, says 'dad...that is so gay.'" p. 25

    "At the core of the Equal Protection Clause... there exists a certain foundational belief that certain rights should be shielded from the barking crowds; that certain rights are subject to ownership by all and not the stake hold of popular trend or shifting majorities." p. 26

    "With discernment we see not shadows lurking in closets or the stereotypes of what was once believed..." p. 26

    "Let us look less to the sky to see what might fall" and more towards each other. p. 26

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    There does not appear to be any party with standing which can appeal to SCOTUS for a stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rexx View Post
    There does not appear to be any party with standing which can appeal to SCOTUS for a stay.
    In this case, I think SCOTUS would decline, seeing how NOM's 9th circuit intervenor appeal goes. I seriously doubt they entertain an appeal by NOM after that either; actually, I suspect NOM would drop it rather than do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackinSea View Post
    In this case, I think SCOTUS would decline, seeing how NOM's 9th circuit intervenor appeal goes. I seriously doubt they entertain an appeal by NOM after that either; actually, I suspect NOM would drop it rather than do so.
    It's very likely that NOM confers with its 2-3 major donors on what they want done. The rush to defend in this case was probably not NOM's call, but that's just how I see things.

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    Re: All Eyes on Oregon Marriage Case

    one state at a time....

    the tipping point is not that far off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    one state at a time....

    the tipping point is not that far off.
    I think the tipping point passed a while ago, and there are a few candidate events: 2012 elections, Windsor, etc.

    But today, we have 25 of 50 states under law or ruling. Within a year we will be celebrating marriage equality nationwide.

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