Is he related to DLB, they kinda look a like?
That's just wrong on every level.
Even if it was consensual it would be bad enough but using alcohol and drugs is, as you say, wrong on every level.
Hmmmmmmm........it seems it gets even "better" >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/c...e-of-teen-boy/
What's their definition of abuse?
I don't believe this but I want justice to be carried out to make sure everything is ok. A lot about this story seems fabricated and I'm glad singer has gotten his lawyers involved.
Of course, this is the story a lot of homophobes have been waiting for. Secret gay cabals, rampant sex, mysterious James Bond islands and plots to turn all straight men gay. You can be sure our community will be on trial as much as singer is
You have to be very dubious about this story considering the plaintiff has gone public.
I smell an attention seeking rat
^Yep!! I agree.
Whereas I wouldn't want to dismiss anyone's alleged abuse out of hand, there are several troubling details of the case that are already in public domain.
The plaintiff, approximately age 32 now:
He apparently is at least a sometimes actor: http://www.partygirlplusone.com/web-...vate-freakdom/ The dearth of information about his roles online suggests he has been an "aspiring actor" on the slow road.
The defendant, age 48 now, age 33 at the time of the alleged abuse:
Sorry the pics are different sizes.
The age difference would have been about 14 years at the time of the sex. There don't seem to be any details yet about how much of a relationship context or not there was at the time, but if an 18-yr.-old in 2000 was being "flown to Hawaii," there is the implication that he wasn't forced onto a plane.
Granted, it is entirely possible that the then-underaged young man was somehow groomed to be the victim of predatory abuse, an equally likely scenario in the party circuit which even the suit describes as "notorious parties" with the clear implication that they had a reputation that was known. One has a hard time imagining the scenario in which some naive-but-drug-starved youngun finds himself suddenly in a swing fest with no suspicion that it was a sex-and-drugs gathering.
Anyway, if there was real abuse, then I hope it comes to light. On the other hand, all the details so far imply that fifteen years after being a party boy on a circuit, and apparently making hay out of trips to Hawaii and other perks, the alleged victim decides to make a public campaign against his erstwhile predator, yet launches it as a tabloid smear before actually filing suit. Methinks it has all the trappings of a catfight.
He claims it started when he was 14. And continued until he was about 17.
Odd that he waited just until before the next X-Men movie is about to be released before trying to shake Singer down.
I would say though that if Singer and his crowd were 'forcibly' sodomizing kids and feeding them drugs and booze....they certainly deserve to reap what they've sown.
Last edited by rareboy; April 17th, 2014 at 04:00 AM.
From the cheap seats out here, it so far appears that they deserved one another.
I know a few people who have worked with Singer over the years, mostly on the X-Men Films.
A lot of people close to Singer will tell you enough about his parties, filled with twinks and filled with questionably young looking boys.
He's had an entourage of young kids following him around for years now. (Watch some of the X-Men extras, there's an interview with two of his very young writers.)
Singer does like them young, and this doesn't surprise me, and if I think back to when I was 15,16,17 - I wasn't dating or having sex with people my age. It was mostly people several years older than me, and I wasn't forced into it, I actively sought it out.
I'm sure some of the boys he's had sex with was consensual, however I wouldn't be surprised he's ever drugged anyone either.
I know enough to know he favoured them young.
And yeah, the timing of this is questionable; but let's not blame the alleged victim here, and wait for the outcome of a trial if any comes. People who do this like to flex their lawyers and when they are charged with this bog down the victim in legal fees and they general reach an out of court settlement.
Maybe the kid didn't get the role in the X-Men films he was promised? Maybe this is all made up; but I don't doubt the victim's allegations at all.
You've endorsed the alleged victim's allegations of being drugged, so you have in fact "blamed" Singer without direct knowledge, only on hearsay.
But, at the same time, you have already given Egan the cloak of victim without his side being proven. If he is a victim, or was, then he is entitled to protection from implication that he is guilty. If.
In your own words, twinks followed him around. They attend parties with him and guys his age in attendance. It hardly sounds like he needed to resort to drugging. There didn't seem to be a lack of followers. He doesn't exactly look old and decrepit now at age 48. How hard could it have been with him rich and successful?
The withholding of blame goes two ways. Anyone can allege such a claim with no basis, and as we all know, happens all the more frequently in tawdry circles.
I've no doubt Singer and his party boys have been chumming in murky waters, but with the nature of young men who run after such hedonism, it is really difficult to work up much sympathy for anyone going to such gatherings and then playing the victim card. If it looked like a snake when he picked it up, then getting bit could hardly come as a surprise.
However, we'll see if it comes to light or just publicity.
Last edited by Dejavudoo; April 17th, 2014 at 04:40 AM.
Fellatio is not abuse.
My comment, about allegations are more opinion, and speculation. I'm allowed that much.
This is the first time, I've head of drugs being used for the intent to fuck someone.
Booze? There's always booze and underage drinking at these parties.
Would I need booze or drugs to get in bed with Singer? No. Probably not. Would I have taken booze or drugs at a party? Probably the booze, likely not the drugs.
Don't get me wrong the timing of the allegations are dubious at best - but they could have filed these well before the release, and the media is only getting a hold of the details now.
Maybe he's guilty, maybe he's not.
Even if it was consensual, or other encounters have been, is it legal as far as the law is concerned? No, it's not. Because someone who made the law of consent, has decided that you're too young to know what you want.
I'm saying this could go both ways, maybe it didn't happen at all - could it have? Quite likely; especially considering his history of parties.
Moral of the story - If you're an adult, and someone is under 18? Maybe don't sleep with them.
Hypocritical of me to say when I slept with older guys when I was 15/16/17 - Yes, it is very much so; and I don't fault the people who did it with me, nor do I think they were targeting me. I also wouldn't go after any of them financially, or try to sue them later... because it wasn't abuse.
This person could very well be taking advantage of the situation; maybe fabricating some of the story, all of the story - or he might not be.
I'm not trying to blame ether person here. Honestly, let's see what happens but there's my 2 cents worth.
I know enough about Mr. Singer to know about the company he used to keep, and I know enough about myself and other's who've cased after older men at young ages.
This happened approximately 15 years ago.
The statute of limitations has no doubt run.
There was no need for a press release unless notoriety was sought.
This "abuse" may well have happened but I have trouble dredging up sympathy for the claimant.
There is no statute of limitations on a charge like this. RE: Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandals.
Also it depends on where this happened, and the States/Country's Laws.
I know for a fact he often frequents the gay strip clubs in Montreal and often brings back young dancers to his hotel. He also hires some dancers to 'recruit' guys for him. He flies them to wherever he is.
And I know all about guys who groom young guys, to come visit and go to parties, not Singer's directly, but there was a guy who courted me for some time; I never ended up going, but they bought me things, they worked in LA, they knew people.
Oh my wayward youth.
BUT, in the big picture, there ARE no "facts" on an internet forum where identities are anonymous and anyone can say anything.
"I slept with President Obama while his wife was in the next room."
"I watched David Letterman finger a 12-yr.-old girl."
"I KNOW for a fact that cold water fusion existed before big oil companies killed those who knew the process."
"I buried gold tablets with revelations from God on them in a hill in New York."
Anything can be posited with impunity online, and there are more than a few enemies and haters online. Your words may well be true, or they may not. You don't have a face. You don't have a name. You don't even have a location. You are words on the screen. That doesn't instill any more certainty than the words of an aspiring actor in the limelight.
The nature of trial-by-gossip is insidious. Tellingly, "young dancers" are somehow cited as if they were by definition underage. But, even accepting that premise, the leap again is to the notion that young men who do lie about their age somehow are lured into sex with candy. All it really implies is that the alleged procurer and the alleged targets are pretty comfortable with prostitution, which hardly rises to the level of abuse.
Last edited by Dejavudoo; April 17th, 2014 at 06:00 AM.
Seems more likely that the media route is more the attorney's doing than the plaintiff's. It is likely there was something and it just took the young man a while to build up the strength to confront his abuser. But since its been roughly 14-15 years there isn't a lot of evidence....... So the attorney decides to take it to the media to apply pressure on the defendant to settle out of court. In a court of law it is innocent until proven guilty, but in the court of public opinion it is guilty as accused and end of story. The timing of course is also planned out by the attorney, don't want the pressure of bad publicity overshadowing the upcoming release, extra incentive for a quick settlement. And the attorney makes big bank, regardless of the defendant's guilt or innocence. Just a matter of convenience.
It's never too early in the year,
to spread some goodwill cheer!
In the court of public opinion, gossip is sufficient for the day, but as Michael Jackson so capably proved, much of the public simply doesn't care, nor are they naive enough to believe one-sided and illogical accounts.
And, in the case of someone like Martha Stewart, the public learns that there was in fact guilt, but it still forgives.
The setting being Hollywood, it is unlikely that the public will believe anyone involved was innocent or unknowing, so a draw.
Innocent until proven guilty. What is the need to discuss justice's case when we don't have access to it ? Makes no sense to me.
In the eyes of the law, sexual activity between an adult and a minor is abuse. It can involve coercion and the potential exploitation of an underage person.
It is not to say that many a teenage homo hasn't or wouldn't have loved getting blown by some adult. But the law does not and cannot make that distinction where a minor is considered to be not responsible for the decisions they make.
And you can't understand this?
I would just think on this if I were you and not come back with some feeble smart assed reply.
I always wondered if he propositioned Brandon Routh when filming the Superman movie.
I think guilty or innocent the stigma of the accusation stays with the accused for a life time. I remember I was quite emotional when Michael Jackson died. I remember a conversation at the local credit union branch and the teller said she felt no grief at Michael Jackson's passing and she thought he was a child molester. A bunch of others joined in agreeing. I told them I watched his funeral, and what his daughter had to say trumped what commentators had to say. That shut them up, but I doubt it changed their opinion.
I notice here in Canada is most cases a male doctor will have a nurse with him when he is with a patient, as anyone can be accused of molesting another person. Not to say there are not people who are molested, it does happen; but there are false accusations as well.
As for Michael Jackson, I don't know if he was guilty of what he was accused of or not. I have always hoped he was innocent as I found him to be a sympathetic figure. As for Brian Singer maybe there is some truth to the accusations; I have no way of knowing either way.
Last edited by J. Smithson 02; April 17th, 2014 at 07:18 AM.
^Dustin Lance Black, I believe? I think that's his name.
The timing is very, very dubious. That's really all I can say to this - if it's true, he should fry, but I also wonder why the guy waited so long(well, no, I don't wonder - he's making big money, so if it's true and there's a "hush hush" settlement, it'd probably be enough to keep him on high times for years to come).
"As anarchism rears its face,
They are answered by an iron fist..."
What ever happened with the "ELMO" guy? Was he found guilty or innocent?
"As anarchism rears its face,
They are answered by an iron fist..."
^ I don't see what the biggie was there.
This was a guy who'd been fisting Elmo for years and no one thought to complain then.
We still have our 'Tickle Me Elmo' in the box. It is wrapped in a protective covering of irony.
If someone was underage doesn't matter if it was consensual or not---It does seem to matter that the guy waited so long to say anything---This doesn't look good for the director especially if lot's of other guys come out of the woodwork, but it is Hollywood and somehow this may or may not ruin his career---think Roman Polanski and the inappropriate relationship Woody Allen had---granted they were hetero but the liberal Hollywood base may or may not punish him---although his films are not as "arty" as Polanski's or Allen.
one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry
This is so fucked up, probably all come to nothing though.
I've met Singer, and he's a nice enough guy, and these allegations may be false, exaggerated, and definitely far too late... BUT
At the same time, I think he deserves to be exposed and punished.
He's without question a wild, compulsive, manic sex addict. Not a rapist to my knowledge, at least not recently, but definitely an out of control animal who uses his movie talent and money to corrupt and pillage.
The bigger problem is he's enabled a bunch of middle aged low lifes to "represent" him at the LA gay bars and try to lure twinks in under false pretenses.
Many of them are used by Singer who promises them roles or whatever then throws them away for the next.
Basically, the Singer empire is what leads to the exploitation of gay youth from small towns in LA. While this story likely won't change anything, it's nice to see the snake's head banged up a bit.
There's some pretty interesting reading about the case here:
Singer's attorney says he has proof that Singer was not in Hawaii at the times alleged.
^I think this is when I first heard of him.
But he did have a bit of a reputation, even then, among the sweet young things.
Every other media pundit thinks he's P. T. Barnum and the rest of us suckers.
The notion of John Q. Public as a rube is a popular myth promoted by the media itself.
Corey Haim, Corey Feldman, Brad Renfro, River Phoenix, perhaps Nick Stahl, maybe even Zac Efron
All fucked up and addicted to drugs, half of them dead, because of molestation and rape from old Hollywood lech producers.
But those were only the ones who "made it" (well, look at how well they're doing now). The vast majority, 99.9%, are tossed and thrown away...
Ask where the parents are? A lot of them are "okay" with it because their kid's gonna become rich and famous and take care of the family!
Bryan Singer is only the tip of the iceberg. And actually, one of the nicer ones... apart from his sexual compulsions and addictions, he's not a bad guy.
There are people far worse, people you've never heard of because they're B level producers, but still considered "powerful", who are corrupting and raping the younger generations...
Parents from small towns would be better off sending their sons to Afghanistan, or heck, Auschwitz circa 1941 at this rate. At least the death there is immediate and mostly painless
I know some celebs are able to get out unscathed. But to claim that public opinion is "forgiving" is just...I mean, really?
Michael Jackson was lionized upon his death as if he were a pope. Both before and after his death, his music remains hot property and profitable.
Martha Stewart rose from the ashes of her immolation and her empire regained its stock price and then some. She yet makes popular cooking shows, frequents talk shows, and enjoys wide popularity.
It is only a matter of time before Paula Dean is hauled out of the Slough of Despond and restored to public grace, forgiven and all. The top flight performers were survivors in the first place, else they would not have reached the top. And guess what? The public gets that.
Clinton survived the impeachment attempt and maintained a successful presidency that was the fiscal envy of his successors.
The public does get worked up from the tripe served up by the paparazzi, but it is for a day. People today are no more naive than they were in the time of the Caesars. Far from being the stupid rabble of Shakespeare's depictions, they are in the know, and can understand that men are men, flawed and imperfect.
To Youngnihilist's point, of course there are more predators in the film industry than in manufacturing, but the implication that most of what goes on is rape is less than credible. There are plenty of hot young bods who are more than willing to compromise their erstwhile morals to sleep their way up the ladder, and among them are more than a few straights. Ambition is a more powerful force than libido.
It's not like some kid is walking along the road and a dirty old man drives up to lure him into a limo to rape him. They're all in a sordid game, and those who get on the audition couch know what they are facing.
That doesn't make vice into virtue, but it doesn't make it some Snow White tale of innocence either.
Last edited by Dejavudoo; April 19th, 2014 at 04:21 AM.