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    So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

    ...But there's still a debate raging about nature vs nurture? Shouldn't the fact that a dog's temperament being genetic put the doubt to rest?
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    Re: So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

    The dog "breeds" we have today as well as their temperaments are the result of countless generations of artificial selection to produce the traits that were desired. As these specific breeds would have never existed in nature on their own via natural selection, it seems odd that these man-made domesticated animals could be considered to have a "natural" temperament at all.

    Humans have already manipulated dogs by selectively breeding them for the specific purpose of ridding the gene pool of their natural traits they had before being domesticated. I don't see how continuing to modify the temperament of dogs is a big deal.
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    Re: So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

    Quote Originally Posted by bort138 View Post
    The dog "breeds" we have today as well as their temperaments are the result of countless generations of artificial selection to produce the traits that were desired. As these specific breeds would have never existed in nature on their own via natural selection, it seems odd that these man-made domesticated animals could be considered to have a "natural" temperament at all.

    Humans have already manipulated dogs by selectively breeding them for the specific purpose of ridding the gene pool of their natural traits they had before being domesticated. I don't see how continuing to modify the temperament of dogs is a big deal.
    True, but... My mom owns Shetland Sheepdogs that she got directly from a high-end breeder, and some breeders go for looks without worrying about temperament. Those Shelties are really nasty, while my mom's are incredibly sweet.
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    Re: So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

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    True, but... My mom owns Shetland Sheepdogs that she got directly from a high-end breeder, and some breeders go for looks without worrying about temperament. Those Shelties are really nasty, while my mom's are incredibly sweet.
    So which is the natural temperament?

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    Re: So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

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    So which is the natural temperament?
    The one that's bred into them.
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    Re: So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

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    The one that's bred into them.
    Are there people who are against breeding dogs to have a better temperament or are they just indifferent and breed without taking it into account?

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    Re: So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

    Partly it's about breeding. Everyone knows for instance that a typical terrier behaves differently to an average Labrador. A responsible breeder wouldn't breed from animals which were schizo in some way as that would be asking for trouble. Partly it's also about how a dog is brought up though and responsible owners will set boundaries from the day they bring their puppy home.

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    Re: So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

    Quote Originally Posted by bort138 View Post
    Are there people who are against breeding dogs to have a better temperament or are they just indifferent and breed without taking it into account?
    Yes, there are. There are some dogs that have personality problems that can be passed down genetically. Some breeders don't care (especially puppy farm breeders) and just breed for looks. This can cause a wide variety of problems, both physical and mental.
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    Re: So how come high-end breeders breed dogs for temperament (as well as appearance)

    It is not an insignificant point. When I was young, the dog in the U.S. that had the most common statistical occurrence of turning on its master was the collie. That was a product of inbred selection with the unintentional selection for instability. It has obviously been worked on since

    Come to think of it, I know no one who owns a full up collie any more.
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