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    The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    I thought this was interesting.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...ermany/360133/

    the bill was paid by the Barmer GEK sickness fund, one of about 160 such nonprofit insurance collectives in the country. Every German resident must belong to a sickness fund, and in turn the funds must insure all comers.

    They’re also mandated to cover a standard set of benefits, which includes most procedures and medications. Workers pay half the cost of their sickness fund insurance, and employers pay the rest. The German government foots the bill for the unemployed and for children. There are also limits on out-of-pocket expenses, so it’s rare for a German to go into debt because of medical bills.
    Apparently, the Germans get same day appointments too. Considering the only discernable complaint conservatives have againist socialized medicine is long wait times, I think this pretty much does that one in.

    Of course, Obamacare hasn't risen to the point of German nonprofit insurance collectives yet, but its a step in the right direction, and perhaps when a white person takes over the country in 2016 the Republicans will actually let her change Obamacare for the better.
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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    oh.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    IIRC, Bismarck created something similar to Obamacare back in the 1890s. Mandated private insurance.

    Obamacare is definitely German.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    ^If Obamacare were German it would be working....efficiently...that it is not, suggests that the Germans have no involvement

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    ^ lol. I think.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    The problem is that hardly no one in the USA is experiencing Obamacare because it only applies to a few million people. Obama has given so many waivers that portions of the law only apply to a few.

    Will the law ever be fully enacted? Obama and the democrats don't want to do it this year and not in 2016.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    ^ This seems to be the only talking point that you and FOXmasters have left.

    Why do you care?

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    ^ This seems to be the only talking point that you and FOXmasters have left.

    Why do you care?
    Seems like a pretty big talking point ... a law that has been morphed into another law that will probably never be enacted.

    A better question ... why do you as a Canadian care about this US law?

    I guess I'd better check Media Matters to see what Fox News is up to today.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    YES! Jack used a VALID point when criticising Obamacare!

    That's one of my bigger problems with the ACA--it doesn't and never will apply to very many people. Nowhere near universal.

    The sad part now. The next point made no sense.

    Jack, the law was enacted when it was signed. Most of the provisions have already gone into effect. A few more are on the way.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    YES! Jack used a VALID point when criticising Obamacare!

    That's one of my bigger problems with the ACA--it doesn't and never will apply to very many people. Nowhere near universal.

    The sad part now. The next point made no sense.

    Jack, the law was enacted when it was signed. Most of the provisions have already gone into effect. A few more are on the way.
    The law has been fundamentally changed over 25 times by the President. It's not the same law that was passed by democrats.

    Obamacare has been morphed to promote ideological beliefs of the President.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    ^ This is bullshit and you know it.

    We covered this in another thread where I listed the changes that the executive branch made.

    The legislative branch and judicial branch have also amended the law. Why aren't you in a tizz over those changes?

    The changes are neither substantive or inconsistent with the overall intent of the Act.

    This is why your Gretchen Carlson talking point 'outrage' rings so false.

    But to remind you again:

    CHANGES BY ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION

    1. Medicare Advantage patch: The administration ordered an advance draw on funds from a Medicare bonus program in order to provide extra payments to Medicare Advantage plans.

    2. Employee reporting: The administration instituted a one-year delay of the requirement that employers must report to their employees on their W-2 forms the full cost of their employer-provided health insurance.

    3. Subsidies may flow through federal exchanges: The IRS issued a rule that allows premium assistance tax credits to be available in federal exchanges.

    4. Closing the high-risk pool: The administration decided to halt enrollment in transitional federal high-risk pools created by the law, blocking coverage for an estimated 40,000 new applicants, citing a lack of funds.

    5. Doubling allowed deductibles: Because some group health plans use more than one benefits administrator, plans are allowed to apply separate patient cost-sharing limits for one year to different services, such as doctor/hospital and prescription drugs.

    6. Small businesses on hold: The administration has said that the federal exchanges for small businesses will not be ready by the 2014 statutory deadline, and instead delayed until 2015 the provision of SHOP (Small-Employer Health Option Program) that requires the exchanges to offer a choice of qualified health plans.

    7. Delaying a low-income plan: The administration delayed implementation of the Basic Health Program until 2015. It would have provided more-affordable health coverage for certain low-income individuals not eligible for Medicaid.

    8. Employer-mandate delay: By an administrative action, the reporting requirements for employers were delayed by one year.

    9. Self-attestation: Because of the difficulty of verifying income after the employer-reporting requirement was delayed, the administration decided it would allow “self-attestation” of income by applicants for health insurance in the exchanges. This was later partially retracted.

    10. Delaying the online SHOP exchange: The administration first delayed for a month and later for a year until November 2014 the launch of the online insurance marketplace for small businesses. The exchange was originally scheduled to launch on October 1, 2013.

    11. Congressional opt-out: The administration decided to offer employer contributions to members of Congress and their staffs when they purchase insurance on the exchanges created by the ACA.

    12. Delaying the individual mandate: The administration changed the deadline for the individual mandate, by declaring that customers who have purchased insurance by March 31, 2014 will avoid the tax penalty. Previously, they would have had to purchase a plan by mid-February.

    13. Insurance companies may offer canceled plans: The administration announced that insurance companies may re-offer plans that previous regulations forced them to cancel. (November 14, 2013)

    14. Exempting unions from reinsurance fee: The administration gave unions an exemption from the reinsurance fee.

    15. Extending Preexisting Condition Insurance Plan: The administration extended the federal high risk pool until January 31, 2014 and again until March 15, 2014 to prevent a coverage gap for the most vulnerable.

    16. Expanding hardship waiver to those with canceled plans: The administration expanded the hardship waiver, which excludes people from the individual mandate and allows some to purchase catastrophic health insurance, to people who have had their plans canceled because of ObamaCare regulations. The administration later extended this waiver until October 1, 2016.

    17. Equal employer coverage delayed: Tax officials will not be enforcing in 2014 the mandate requiring employers to offer equal coverage to all their employees.

    18. Employer-mandate delayed again: The administration delayed for an additional year provisions of the employer mandate, postponing enforcement of the requirement for medium-size employers until 2016 and relaxing some requirements for larger employers. Businesses with 100 or more employees must offer coverage to 70% of their full-time employees in 2015 and 95% in 2016 and beyond.

    19. Extending subsidies to non-exchange plans: The administration released a bulletin through CMS extending subsidies to individuals who purchased health insurance plans outside of the federal or state exchanges.

    20. Non-compliant health plans get two year extension: The administration pushed back the deadline by two years that requires health insurers to cancel plans that are not compliant with ObamaCare’s mandates.

    21. Delaying the ******* deadline: The administration delayed until mid-April the March 31 deadline to sign up for insurance. Applicants simply need to check a box on their application to qualify for this extended ******* period.

    22. Canceling Medicare Advantage cuts: The administration canceled scheduled cuts to Medicare Advantage. The ACA calls for $200 billion in cuts to Medicare Advantage over 10 years.


    So as you see, many of these changes have already come into effect and most of the others get phased in over 2015 and 2016 in response to requests from the business interest community to allow them to make the necessary changes and to report.

    Why are you and the Faux team so confused?

    A decade from now, no one will remember or care about the roll-out changes and whether bits of it were delayed by a month or a year.
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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The problem is that hardly no one in the USA is experiencing Obamacare because it only applies to a few million people. Obama has given so many waivers that portions of the law only apply to a few.

    Will the law ever be fully enacted? Obama and the democrats don't want to do it this year and not in 2016.
    Regardless of not being all that fond of the ACA, Springers statement of course is not true. The ACA applies to everyone with health insurance, every one not just a few million people. For instance my policy never covered flu shots and some forms of preventative screening, does now. My policy had a life time limit, not anymore. I could name more but what the hell.
    These are changes that effect every policy in the Country. You might know that Springer if you had insurance and read your policy changes due to the ACA. Its more than a few million people.
    ACA has a long way to go but its certainly a step towards a better future and direction then the dim bulbs who oppose it. The ruthless hatred over people being able to get treatment for illness & pain and still be able to keep a roof over their head will always amaze me.
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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by vulgar_newcomer View Post
    Regardless of not being all that fond of the ACA, Springers statement of course is not true. The ACA applies to everyone with health insurance, every one not just a few million people. For instance my policy never covered flu shots and some forms of preventative screening, does now. My policy had a life time limit, not anymore. I could name more but what the hell.
    These are changes that effect every policy in the Country. You might know that Springer if you had insurance and read your policy changes due to the ACA. Its more than a few million people.
    ACA has a long way to go but its certainly a step towards a better future and direction then the dim bulbs who oppose it. The ruthless hatred over people being able to get treatment for illness & pain and still be able to keep a roof over their head will always amaze me.
    Thanks ... you proved my point. Obamacare only covers some things -- it does not provide insurance for everyone. Obama has made the law selective where there is mass confusion on what is covered.

    You cannot buy the insurance right now. Doesn't that seem a little strange?

    You're also forgetting that many of the Obamacare users are people who lost their policies because of Obamacare.

    At some point we'll find out how many new insured people there are -- but I'm guessing it will be long after Obama has left office. They've proven that they are the most secretive Administration in modern history.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Thanks ... you proved my point.
    He didn't prove your point, he proved the opposite. You said it only affected a few million people which is FALSE, it affects everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You cannot buy the insurance right now. Doesn't that seem a little strange?
    It would be if it was true, but it is not of course. This statement is FALSE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You're also forgetting that many of the Obamacare users are people who lost their policies because of Obamacare.
    First true statement you've made in this thread. Yes some lost their policies, most of who now have better policies.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    He didn't prove your point, he proved the opposite. You said it only affected a few million people which is FALSE, it affects everyone.


    It would be if it was true, but it is not of course. This statement is FALSE.


    First true statement you've made in this thread. Yes some lost their policies, most of who now have better policies.
    Those affected are only affected with certain things -- not all. 7 Million people is not everyone.

    Try to buy Obamacare right now -- you can't.

    Those people who lost their insurance bought their insurance because of what it offered -- not they have different insurance that covers things that they don't want.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by mightbe View Post
    IIRC, Bismarck created something similar to Obamacare back in the 1890s. Mandated private insurance.

    Obamacare is definitely German.
    Bismarck wanted healthy soldiers.

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    ^If Obamacare were German it would be working....efficiently...that it is not, suggests that the Germans have no involvement
    SOOOO true!

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The law has been fundamentally changed over 25 times by the President. It's not the same law that was passed by democrats.
    You made this claim before and it was corrected. So you're deliberately spreading error.

    There's a name for that.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Those affected are only affected with certain things -- not all. 7 Million people is not everyone.
    Over seven million people in Lutheran health plans alone were affected before it was ever possible to sign up, and more than another seven million in Catholic health plans.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    I am still fascinated by the possibility that lutheran pathology should be sufficiently different from catholic pathology to warrant segregated health care.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I am still fascinated by the possibility that lutheran pathology should be sufficiently different from catholic pathology to warrant segregated health care.
    Huh???

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    You made this claim before and it was corrected. So you're deliberately spreading error.

    There's a name for that.
    Yes.

    FOX News.

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    Yes.

    FOX News.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Those affected are only affected with certain things -- not all. 7 Million people is not everyone.

    Try to buy Obamacare right now -- you can't.

    Those people who lost their insurance bought their insurance because of what it offered -- not they have different insurance that covers things that they don't want.
    You keep repeating this as if it is some kind of criticism against the Affordable Health Care Act. It's not. People can't "buy" health insurance right now through the ACA because the enrollment period has ended. Health insurances have annual or biannual enrollment periods depending on the employer or service you are going through. My insurance has an enrollment period. The Affordable Care Act has an enrollment period. What is the issue here?
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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    ^ It is the new mantra of FOX.

    Although to be honest, it would seem more practical if the US insurance industry dropped the idea of an enrollment period. Why not let people enroll any time in order to make it easier until the US finally gets single party payer coverage and sends all the paper pushers back to the manufacturing and distribution sectors where they belong.

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    You keep repeating this as if it is some kind of criticism against the Affordable Health Care Act. It's not. People can't "buy" health insurance right now through the ACA because the enrollment period has ended. Health insurances have annual or biannual enrollment periods depending on the employer or service you are going through. My insurance has an enrollment period. The Affordable Care Act has an enrollment period. What is the issue here?
    Why is there an enrollment period for 'affordable health insurance'? Shouldn't 'affordable health insurance' be available all the time? I'm going to assume you only want health insurance for only a couple of months a year keeping people you need health insurance from having 'affordable health insurance'.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    You keep repeating this as if it is some kind of criticism against the Affordable Health Care Act. It's not. People can't "buy" health insurance right now through the ACA because the enrollment period has ended. Health insurances have annual or biannual enrollment periods depending on the employer or service you are going through. My insurance has an enrollment period. The Affordable Care Act has an enrollment period. What is the issue here?
    Sounds like the issue is that Jack doesn't like the government following the law.

    Unless, of course, it gives him a chance to whine.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

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    Why is there an enrollment period for 'affordable health insurance'? Shouldn't 'affordable health insurance' be available all the time? I'm going to assume you only want health insurance for only a couple of months a year keeping people you need health insurance from having 'affordable health insurance'.
    It's the way it's often done -- it may be a stupid way, but that's a different issue.

    My health plan has an enrollment period; new plan members have to sign up during the first quarter of the fiscal year.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Getting coverage outside Open Enrollment

    Outside Open Enrollment you can enroll in a private health insurance plan through the Marketplace only if you have a special enrollment period.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Why is there an enrollment period for 'affordable health insurance'? Shouldn't 'affordable health insurance' be available all the time? I'm going to assume you only want health insurance for only a couple of months a year keeping people you need health insurance from having 'affordable health insurance'.
    So what you are saying is that Obamacare should have gone even further in government mandates to change basic tenents of all health insurance plans like enrollment periods. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    So what you are saying is that Obamacare should have gone even further in government mandates to change basic tenents of all health insurance plans like enrollment periods. Interesting.
    They have already gone that far. You can't buy health insurance right now. When has that ever happened?

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    ^ Whatsa matter Springer?

    Did you wait too long to sign up?
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    I don't understand why this is so hard for Jack to understand. The ACA does some to improve enrollment with special enrollment much more than the private sector wants, because they want no changes unless it makes obtaining health coverage more difficult in receiving benefits. They have no problem with collecting premiums. Jack do you have or ever had any type of health insurance in the USA? If you did through your employer, partner, private, or parents did you ever bother to read the policy? The lobbyist are thick and the push all sort of limits, time lines, enrollment periods when coverage can be obtained, hows it cancelled, & when various benefits start. The private for profit health insurance companies are still calling the shots but they have taken the first hit and they don't like it.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by hotatlboi View Post
    So what you are saying is that Obamacare should have gone even further in government mandates to change basic tenents of all health insurance plans like enrollment periods. Interesting.
    Especially given the response below, I'm not convinced he knows what he's saying. It's clear he isn't even aware of the discussion in this thread, or he wouldn't make the totally contradictory assertion:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    They have already gone that far. You can't buy health insurance right now. When has that ever happened?
    Jack, are you really unaware that you just contradicted the point? Several people have pointed out that enrollment periods are common; hotatlboi asked if your point was that you want more government interference to end that practice; and you say they already have ended that practice....

    If you think they've ended the practice, then there's nothing I can say, since you've been complaining that they haven't. If you don't think they've ended the practice, then why do you say they already have?

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    I don't understand why this is so hard for Jack to understand. The ACA does some to improve enrollment with special enrollment much more than the private sector wants, because they want no changes unless it makes obtaining health coverage more difficult in receiving benefits. They have no problem with collecting premiums. Jack do you have or ever had any type of health insurance in the USA? If you did through your employer, partner, private, or parents did you ever bother to read the policy? The lobbyist are thick and the push all sort of limits, time lines, enrollment periods when coverage can be obtained, hows it cancelled, & when various benefits start. The private for profit health insurance companies are still calling the shots but they have taken the first hit and they don't like it.
    The maze of enrollment periods, re-enrollment periods, and other time limitations of when you had to do things to get or continue or increase coverage, in the company policies when I briefly worked in electronics, was Byzantine. I was especially astounded at requirements for reporting new medical conditions -- there were situation where you had to report a new condition within X time, when the time required for a doctor to even be sure you had that new condition was X + Y, but if you didn't report it within X then you couldn't be covered..... Then there were the periods for re-enrolling if you got married, or had a kid, or moved, or got divorced, or for that matter switched jobs within the plant! .... time limits all over the place.

    It's one reason I really liked the various church insurance programs I encountered: in every single one of them, once you were signed up, that was that. A friend got married and failed to report it; when his wife got sick, all they asked was proof of marriage, and happily added her to his coverage. In those programs, the insurance people are there to serve the customer, not to stand guard over profits. And that's why I've strongly advocated for incentives encouraging people to form fraternal-benefit insurance companies: they don't have stockholders to worry about, no dividends to pay, so the focus is on providing care.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    They have already gone that far. You can't buy health insurance right now. When has that ever happened?

    If you keep repeating the question, you're not going to get a different answer or alter the realities of the universe. There have always been enrollment periods since before the Affordable Care Act.
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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post

    If you keep repeating the question, you're not going to get a different answer or alter the realities of the universe. There have always been enrollment periods since before the Affordable Care Act.
    I'm sorry, but you've been able to buy insurance at any time before. The ACA was sold as insurance for everyone.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    I just wonder why Springer and the other paid flacks on the interwebz never respond to having the actual truth laid out by others....but go blithely on repeating the same lies over and over again.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I just wonder why Springer and the other paid flacks on the interwebz never respond to having the actual truth laid out by others....but go blithely on repeating the same lies over and over again.
    How much does Soros pay you?

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm sorry, but you've been able to buy insurance at any time before. The ACA was sold as insurance for everyone.
    No, you haven't.

    You're entitled to your opinion, but the insistence on being ignorant is really old. Please start actually paying attention to what you write about.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'm sorry, but you've been able to buy insurance at any time before. The ACA was sold as insurance for everyone.
    Come on, Jack Springer. All you have to do is educate yourself with a simple encyclopedia article You're being ridiculous:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_enrollment
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    In the United States, annual enrollment (also known as open enrollment or open season) is a period of time, usually but not always occurring once per year, when employees of companies and organizations may make changes to their elected fringe benefit options, such as health insurance. The term also applies to the annual period during which individuals may buy individual health insurance plans through the online, state-based health insurance exchanges established by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Open enrollment is also prominent in Medicare, where almost 50 million enrollees can choose to stay in original Medicare, or join or change plans within the Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D Prescription Drug programs for the coming calendar year. Individuals usually can make changes to their health insurance or fringe benefits only during the open enrollment period or when they have experienced a specific qualifying event.
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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Never heard of it. In Canada this period of time usually but not always occurs once per weekday.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    Never heard of it. In Canada this period of time usually but not always occurs once per weekday.
    It is strange, IMO, but it's not new.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    ^If Obamacare were German it would be working....efficiently...that it is not, suggests that the Germans have no involvement
    Medicare and Medicaid are the most efficient government programs. The administration costs are a fraction of that of private insurers. 2% vs 17%, no competition.

    Medicares private plans cost 600% more to administrate, because seniors dont like the idea of medicare being a government plan, so these private companies get to cut benefits and keep the profit along with advertising, etc.

    So not only is your assumption invalid, because both Medicare and Medicaid were expanded under Obamacare, the opposite is true.

    Here are some facts to get in the way of your flawed ideas:

    http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/0...ate-insurance/
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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by evanrick View Post
    Medicare and Medicaid are the most efficient government programs. The administration costs are a fraction of that of private insurers. 2% vs 17%, no competition.

    Medicares private plans cost 600% more to administrate, because seniors dont like the idea of medicare being a government plan, so these private companies get to cut benefits and keep the profit along with advertising, etc.

    So not only is your assumption invalid, because both Medicare and Medicaid were expanded under Obamacare, the opposite is true.

    Here are some facts to get in the way of your flawed ideas:

    http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/0...ate-insurance/
    The expanded programs are the ONLY part working efficiently.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    The problem is that O'care was so diluted in the process to accommodate the insurance lobbies. The BLOOD SUCKING INSURANCE INDUSTRY can't lose it's profit margins.....

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

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    Come on, Jack Springer. All you have to do is educate yourself with a simple encyclopedia article You're being ridiculous:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_enrollment
    Go to healthcare.gov and sign up for insurance.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    ^ As usual...you just aren't getting the point that is being made here.

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    Re: The Atlantic: Obamacare Comes From Germany

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Go to healthcare.gov and sign up for insurance.
    Are you arguing in favor of total government takeover of insurance companies, Jack?

    Given all the information you've been provided with, that's the only thing that makes sense of your complaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Go to healthcare.gov and sign up for insurance.
    You're not listening! You're intentionally jerking around the discussion.

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