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    Rev Alfred is a FBI Snitch

    Very interesting story about Rev Al. He's been an FBI informant since the mid-1980's.

    Usually snitches for the FBI are people who are in trouble with the FBI and the FBI uses them to gather information.

    Rev Al's wore a wire to gather information on the mob.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...harpton-764312



    Rev Alfred may also be the hardest working man in America. Who else could work 40 hours a week at a non-profit, have a 3-hour daily radio show and host a 1 hour daily bitchfest on MSNBC. He must be super human.

    Smoking Gun has proof in government documents that Rev Al was a FBI informant and prove that Rev Al is lying regarding his side of the story.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...harpton-918273

    Rev Al became a national figure when he lied about the rape of Tawana Brawley.

    Rev Alfred with the President


    It should be noted that in the black community 'snitches' are considered the lowest of the low.

    No Justice, No Peace is Rev Al's motto .... imagine if a conservative said anything like that.

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    Re: Rev Alfred is a FBI Snitch

    Old news.

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    A couple of days old.

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    Re: Rev Alfred is a FBI Snitch

    No it's been around for 20 years--he mentioned it in his book---but now all of a sudden everyone hate's a rat since when is it a bad thing to help the FBI get criminals?

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    And...? ........
    "Bleed your heart out,

    I said what's in it for me..."

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    'It is interesting to me, as we deal with the whole criminalization of many in our community, that the premise of a lot of this media is that I should have been with the mob rather than with the government,' [Sharpton] said in response to the media reports.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2yWcfVjqV
    Enough for me.

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    Thanks for sharing Jack

    I think I like Al even more now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastofeden View Post
    Thanks for sharing Jack

    I think I like Al even more now.
    Were any laws broken?

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    Whatever.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    No it's been around for 20 years--he mentioned it in his book---but now all of a sudden everyone hate's a rat since when is it a bad thing to help the FBI get criminals?
    Read the second Smoking Gun article -- it exposes Rev Al's lies about the circumstances of his 'snitching'.

    I think you forget that snitching is not a positive thing in the black community.

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    Re: Rev Alfred is a FBI Snitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post

    I think you forget that snitching is not a positive thing in the black community.
    We know you're an expert.

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    Re: Rev Alfred is a FBI Snitch

    Oh, so that's why he's posting about it - another opportunity to let the racism flow.
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    Re: Rev Alfred is a FBI Snitch

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Read the second Smoking Gun article -- it exposes Rev Al's lies about the circumstances of his 'snitching'.

    I think you forget that snitching is not a positive thing in the black community.
    Because it is among us Crackers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I think you forget that snitching is not a positive thing in the black community.
    Please, tell us more about the black community, Jack Springer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Please, tell us more about the black community, Jack Springer.
    I'd suggest you talk and become friends with some black people instead of telling them how to vote and think. You might learn a little.

    Police department struggle with solving crimes in heavily black populated portions of US cities because people won't report crimes or talk to the police about who was responsible.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1763651.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/stop-snitchin/

    http://www.snitching.org/stop_snitching/


    Now ... back to Rev Al ...

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    Re: Rev Alfred is a FBI Snitch

    I ask again...are you implying that all whiteys are snitches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    I ask again...are you implying that all whiteys are snitches?
    White people are more prone to snitch than blacks ... it's a fact. It's not a racist statement -- but I'm sure you and others will try to make it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Police department struggle with solving crimes in heavily black populated portions of US cities because people won't report crimes or talk to the police about who was responsible.
    Police struggle with solving crimes because the populace know that talking to the police is a bad idea -- skin color is irrelevant. Any citizen with good sense will follow the advice of US Supreme Court justices and never, ever talk to the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I'd suggest you talk and become friends with some black people instead of telling them how to vote and think. You might learn a little.

    Police department struggle with solving crimes in heavily black populated portions of US cities because people won't report crimes or talk to the police about who was responsible.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1763651.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/stop-snitchin/

    http://www.snitching.org/stop_snitching/


    Now ... back to Rev Al ...
    Ad hominem assumption about what kinds of personal friendships I have. Do you honestly believe I go to my black friends and tell them how to think and vote? Seriously?

    You're taking a superficial approach to headlines to broad stroke an entire community without looking into the issue on a deeper level. This is evident by the Huffington Post video you linked in your reply. Did you actually watch the video? Because they had a lot of unique perspectives that counter the assertions you're making. Like other minority cultures often historically repressed, you've had Jewish, Christian, Hispanic, and asian communities that have discouraged their members from conversing with law enforcement from the majority population. The black community in urban areas have long suffered discriminatory treatment by law enforcement, particularly when it comes to drug enforcement laws as in the case of marijuana possession.

    Do you care to clarify why it's a problem for Al Sharpton to being an informant for the FBI, and why it is relevant to the topic of "snitching" in the black community?
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    Wait a second...a guy is working with the FBI to go after the mob and fight some crime?

    Did I miss a fucking problem here or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Ad hominem assumption about what kinds of personal friendships I have. Do you honestly believe I go to my black friends and tell them how to think and vote? Seriously?

    You're taking a superficial approach to headlines to broad stroke an entire community without looking into the issue on a deeper level. This is evident by the Huffington Post video you linked in your reply. Did you actually watch the video? Because they had a lot of unique perspectives that counter the assertions you're making. Like other minority cultures often historically repressed, you've had Jewish, Christian, Hispanic, and asian communities that have discouraged their members from conversing with law enforcement from the majority population. The black community in urban areas have long suffered discriminatory treatment by law enforcement, particularly when it comes to drug enforcement laws as in the case of marijuana possession.

    Do you care to clarify why it's a problem for Al Sharpton to being an informant for the FBI, and why it is relevant to the topic of "snitching" in the black community?
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    There are always differences in people --- I'm talking about generalities.

    Can you back up your statement about how blacks fear police and being arrested for illegal drugs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokegayguy View Post
    Wait a second...a guy is working with the FBI to go after the mob and fight some crime?

    Did I miss a fucking problem here or something?
    First read the links ... Sharpton spun another tail which was proven wrong by the Smoking Gun investigation.
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    The Rat speaks . . . (in front of the same banner "No Justice, No Peace" where President Obama spoke last week) and later a video showing Rev Al buying cocaine.


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    Are you trying to get banned permanently? Because with this arrogant, self-righteous, insulting attitude you deserve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Do you care to clarify why it's a problem for Al Sharpton to being an informant for the FBI, and why it is relevant to the topic of "snitching" in the black community?
    I am also interested in the answer to this question.


    NOTE: I have not watched any of the videos linked in this thread; however, I did read all the descriptive commentary provided by the members who posted links to those videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
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    There are always differences in people --- I'm talking about generalities.

    Can you back up your statement about how blacks fear police and being arrested for illegal drugs?

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    First read the links ... Sharpton spun another tail which was proven wrong by the Smoking Gun investigation.
    uh oh.

    BTW.

    I'd love to see Reverend Al spin another tail (sic).

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    Wayne Barrett, I believe, a well known journalist in NYC, wrote about this in the Village Voice, probably back in the 80s if memory serves me right. Everyone in NYC knew about it. As I remember, Barrett wrote that Sharpton informed to the FBI on Sonny Carson, a well known black nationalist activist in Brooklyn, and perhaps others in Carson's network. That was far more controversial in the black community than informing on mobsters. Rev. Al survived it fine. He also endorsed Republican Al D'Amato when he first ran, and won, the Senate seat now held by Charles Schumer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
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    There are always differences in people --- I'm talking about generalities.

    Can you back up your statement about how blacks fear police and being arrested for illegal drugs?
    Generalities are the basis for stereotypes. Noting differences between populations is relevant to discussion. It would be unfair for a pastor to say all gays are liberal Democrats because clearly there are gay Republicans.

    Yes, I can back that up. See below:
    Blacks are disproportionately arrested for marijuana possession than whites. If both races are smoking the drug commonly, then there shouldn't be such a disparity between the number of arrests.
    http://www.msnbc.com/all/how-marijua...roportionately

    Example of black Americans in Oakland being disproportionately arrested
    http://www.alternet.org/civil-libert...rrests-oakland

    A list of 10 Facts about racial profiling by the police in general:
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...united-states/

    I would also cite the Huffington Post video that you posted earlier in this thread. There were multiple perspectives that addressed and explained the question you asked of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I am also interested in the answer to this question.


    NOTE: I have not watched any of the videos linked in this thread; however, I did read all the descriptive commentary provided by the members who posted links to those videos.
    Read the links I provided before you comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    Generalities are the basis for stereotypes. Noting differences between populations is relevant to discussion. It would be unfair for a pastor to say all gays are liberal Democrats because clearly there are gay Republicans.

    Yes, I can back that up. See below:
    Blacks are disproportionately arrested for marijuana possession than whites. If both races are smoking the drug commonly, then there shouldn't be such a disparity between the number of arrests.
    http://www.msnbc.com/all/how-marijua...roportionately

    Example of black Americans in Oakland being disproportionately arrested
    http://www.alternet.org/civil-libert...rrests-oakland

    A list of 10 Facts about racial profiling by the police in general:
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...united-states/

    I would also cite the Huffington Post video that you posted earlier in this thread. There were multiple perspectives that addressed and explained the question you asked of me.
    If you would like to start a thread on your subject .... please feel free to do so.

    The topic is Rev Al's snitching and not about how blacks can be unfairly targeted by the police.

    If I would have made your post --- my comment would have been stripped from this thread and a new thread started. Oh well .. gone are days of CEP being fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Read the links I provided before you comment.
    The record shows you don't even consult the links you post. Until you live up to that standard, you should stop demanding it of anyone else -- especially when it generally turns out that when you make that challenge, you're the one who didn't read your own source.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    If you would like to start a thread on your subject .... please feel free to do so.

    The topic is Rev Al's snitching and not about how blacks can be unfairly targeted by the police.

    If I would have made your post --- my comment would have been stripped from this thread and a new thread started. Oh well .. gone are days of CEP being fair.
    In your world, only people who agree with you would be allowed to post.

    I suggest to everyone that we give Jack what he just asked for: when he starts a thread, don't make any posts in it at all, just read his statement and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    I suggest to everyone that we give Jack what he just asked for: when he starts a thread, don't make any posts in it at all, DON'T read his statement and move on.
    Fixed that for ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokegayguy View Post
    Fixed that for ya.
    But laughter is good form the soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Read the links I provided before you comment.
    I read all the summaries and conclusions you posted from your own [presumed] review of the linked articles.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    The topic [of this thread] is Rev Al's snitching and not about how blacks can be unfairly targeted by the police.
    Your opening post suggests that a primary problem with “Rev Al’s” snitching is somehow related to his race. You should assume that other members are eager to understand, or perhaps help explain, why that distinction may be pertinent to your introduction of this thread topic.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    It should be noted that in the black community 'snitches' are considered the lowest of the low.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    snitching is not a positive thing in the black community.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    Police department[s] struggle with solving crimes in heavily black populated portions of US cities because people won't report crimes or talk to the police about who was responsible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    White people are more prone to snitch than blacks ... it's a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I read all the summaries and conclusions you posted from your own [presumed] review of the linked articles.




    Your opening post suggests that a primary problem with “Rev Al’s” snitching is somehow related to his race. You should assume that other members are eager to understand, or perhaps help explain, why that distinction may be pertinent to your introduction of this thread topic.





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    Quote Originally Posted by opinterph View Post
    I read all the summaries and conclusions you posted from your own [presumed] review of the linked articles.




    Your opening post suggests that a primary problem with “Rev Al’s” snitching is somehow related to his race. You should assume that other members are eager to understand, or perhaps help explain, why that distinction may be pertinent to your introduction of this thread topic.




    You didn't read the links I provided. Please don't take my word -- read the liberal links.

    Your comments are close to harassment.

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    Temper, temper.

    We don't want to lose you Springer.

    You complete us.

    And through your lens, we understand how a huge number of Americans think about things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rareboy View Post
    Temper, temper.

    We don't want to lose you Springer.

    You complete us.

    And through your lens, we understand how a huge number of Americans think about things.
    I realize that being honest is not appreciated here. We're all big boys and should be able to freely talk and express our opinions.

    I know your comment was sarcastic.

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    Oh, JUB!



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    Al Sharpton was and is first and foremost always about himself. There's no place for racial animus and while I don't think Jack thinks he's a racist it cuts unsettlingly close sometimes, but his instincts about Sharpton are spot on. He's done some good things especially regarding helping prison inmates turn their lives around but overall he's a sleaze who would not be surprised cut a deal for himself when he realized he was caught and had to snitch to keep his record clean and his ass out of jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You didn't read the links I provided. Please don't take my word -- read the liberal links.

    Your comments are close to harassment.
    When you come home and find your puppy peed on the floor hours ago, and you rub his nose in it, that's harassment. When you point out to someone that he has made the very mess he's complaining about, it's rational discourse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sausy View Post
    Al Sharpton was and is first and foremost always about himself. There's no place for racial animus and while I don't think Jack thinks he's a racist it cuts unsettlingly close sometimes, but his instincts about Sharpton are spot on. He's done some good things especially regarding helping prison inmates turn their lives around but overall he's a sleaze who would not be surprised cut a deal for himself when he realized he was caught and had to snitch to keep his record clean and his ass out of jail.
    That's a pretty good summation.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    You didn't read the links I provided. Please don't take my word -- read the liberal links.

    Your comments are close to harassment.
    If someone said they read the links you provided, then they read it. To insist the person hasn't read your sources and is lying doesn't move forward the discourse. Besides, I looked at your links too, and that 17 minute Huffington post video I watched refuted and questioned a lot of the arguments you are trying to make here. Which made me ask you if you even saw your own video that you provided?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    When you come home and find your puppy peed on the floor hours ago, and you rub his nose in it, that's harassment. When you point out to someone that he has made the very mess he's complaining about, it's rational discourse.
    We all know you know everything about rubbing a nose in 'it' -- but with you the nose is brown.

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    ^ What is that suppose to mean? If you're going to bait with personal remarks, at least say what you mean and not hide behind passive aggressive metaphors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    We all know you know everything about rubbing a nose in 'it' -- but with you the nose is brown.
    Remarks like this are why we can't have nice things.

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    ^ lol.

    too true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Springer View Post
    I realize that being honest is not appreciated here. We're all big boys and should be able to freely talk and express our opinions.

    I know your comment was sarcastic.

    Not in the least.

    Your absence is always deeply felt. How else do we know what the masses in Mizzoorah and their neighbours are feeling and thinking? I guess we could just go to FOX and get the same talking points as y'all, but as I said, when they are filtered through you, we see the situation more clearly like sand on fire.

    I would say that honesty is prized here above all. We may be wrong in our interpretations, but as long as we are being honest....this is what lets us understand the depth and the breadth of the canyon between the fringe elements on any side of discourse.

    When people take all their talking points from Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, FOX ' Fiends, or any other of the radical right....we know that at the very least they are being disingenuous and at worst, they are being willful liars in the service of evil corporatists, demagogues, racists etc.

    I've been chastised on here because of something I've written that I thought was the 'truth' and got out my big boy pants and owned it.

    We just need you to relax a bit, because these days you seem a little on edge. Remember....only another two and half years before Hillary is Prez. And in the meantime, because of the way that the US politicians have fixed the game for good...you are almost guaranteed a Republican majority in the House and because mid-terms always are a way to punish the incumbent president...why, I expect you'll have a Republican Senate too.

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    ^ What is that suppose to mean? If you're going to bait with personal remarks, at least say what you mean and not hide behind passive aggressive metaphors.
    It means he knows he's been caught, and rather than face the music he resorts to personal insults.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

    *the number is now forty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just_Believe18 View Post
    ^ What is that suppose to mean? If you're going to bait with personal remarks, at least say what you mean and not hide behind passive aggressive metaphors.
    I replied to someone to made extreme negative remarks about me.

    I'v told him before I'm not going to sit and take his nasty remarks anymore.

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