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    Why do South Africans called the male and female judge My Lady ??????



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    No idea. My Lady.
    "You may only be one person to the world, but you may also be the world to one person"
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    Criminal Court protocol...especially within British Commonwealth nations....acknowleding respect for the court...my lord, my lady, your honour etc. reflect the status of the court's judge, or judges....

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    Do they call the MALE Judge My Lady??

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    The honorifics are pervasive throughout the British Commonwealth, as well as China, Sweden, Malaysia, and other cultures.

    It is obviously a deference the population deems appropriate to those who administer the rule of law for the people.

    Humorously, the honorific in Chinese begins with "Fat Goon" as noted in Wikipedia's article on Judge:

    When trials are conducted in Chinese, judges were addressed, in Cantonese, as Fat Goon Dai Yan (法官大人, literally "Judge, Your Lordship") before the transfer of sovereignty from the United Kingdom to the People's Republic of China, and as Fat Goon Gok Ha (法官閣下, "Judge, Your Honour") since 1997. Fat Goon (法官) means "Judge".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    Do they call the MALE Judge My Lady??
    Yes, Oscar replied to the male lawyer my lady LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    Yes, Oscar replied to the male lawyer my lady LOL
    The defendant must always address the court, represented by the judge...when answering questions posed by the prosecutor...thus, the defendant addressed the presiding judge...in this case...a female..my lady...

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    Telstra, you protest too much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The defendant must always address the court, represented by the judge...when answering questions posed by the prosecutor...thus, the defendant addressed the presiding judge...in this case...a female..my lady...
    oh ok,
    but it still sound like Oscar was replying to the lawyer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Telstra View Post
    oh ok,
    but it still sound like Oscar was replying to the lawyer.
    The defendant was replying to the prosecutor's question, by addressing the court represented in the person of the presiding judge...a female..my lady..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BENDERBOY View Post
    No idea. My Lady.


    what I want to know is how one judge makes the decision---seems there should be at least 3 so some deliberation can take place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post


    what I want to know is how one judge makes the decision---seems there should be at least 3 so some deliberation can take place.
    edit: for clarity:

    The Pistorius trial was assigned to Judge Thokozile Masipa who has appointed two assessors, Janette Henzen du Toit and Themba Mazibuko, assisting her evaluate the case and determine a verdict.

    There is no jury system in South Africa.
    Last edited by kallipolis; April 10th, 2014 at 06:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    edit: for clarity:

    The Pistorius trial was assigned to Judge Thokozile Masipa who has appointed two assessors, Janette Henzen du Toit and Themba Mazibuko, assisting her evaluate the case and determine a verdict.

    There is no jury system in South Africa.
    Thanks^so she will be deliberating with 2 other judges...but they don't sit next to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    Thanks^so she will be deliberating with 2 other judges...but they don't sit next to her.
    Yes, they do...with television images confirming this.:

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    There is a similar form of address in Parliament. Everything anyone says when they argue or debate or pontificate is addressed to the Speaker of the House, not each other.

    So, "You're an idiot" becomes, "Mr. Speaker, I would regret if my honourable colleague were mistaken for an idiot by his constituents. However that might become inevitable if he keeps spewing this unfettered nonsense about public policy."
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Lady justice. I know some people from the Caribbean say My Honor instead of Your Honor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nycguydowntown View Post
    Thanks^so she will be deliberating with 2 other judges...but they don't sit next to her.
    They are not judges but legal advisors, to make sure she complies with the law

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeicsDom View Post
    They are not judges but legal advisors, to make sure she complies with the law
    But are the lawyers fat and goonish?

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    I am glad this topic was launched. I was curious as to the "My Lady". I think we all watch so much U.S. TV Shows, that a good portion of us would plead the fifth and we live in a different country. I found this information quite interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    The defendant must always address the court, represented by the judge...when answering questions posed by the prosecutor...thus, the defendant addressed the presiding judge...in this case...a female..my lady...
    Thanks for clearing it up...I was thinking it was awkward.

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    Because South Africa is a Commonwealth Nation, the prosecutor represents the crown, in this case, Queen Elizabeth. Thus the term, "my lady" when addressing the prosectuing team, whether male or female.

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    ^I don't think that is right.

    In lower courts, especially in landdroshowe (magistrates' courts), the judge is referred to as Weledele Heer (or Dame, for women) which translates to Honourable Sir or Madam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Because South Africa is a Commonwealth Nation, the prosecutor represents the crown, in this case, Queen Elizabeth. Thus the term, "my lady" when addressing the prosectuing team, whether male or female.
    No. We have no deference to the Queen whatsoever in any matters legal or political.
    As stated by others, the reference is to the judge, who happens to be a woman.

    And I am really glad we have no jury system. I can think of nothing more frightening than having your fate determined by twelve average, prejudiced, racist, bigoted, religious morons (which is what you will get, in ANY country).

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    I had a lawyer friend try to explain the my lady thing to me. Thanks for the correction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikey3000 View Post
    Because South Africa is a Commonwealth Nation, the prosecutor represents the crown, in this case, Queen Elizabeth. Thus the term, "my lady" when addressing the prosectuing team, whether male or female.
    .za is a commonwealth country but not a Commonwealth realm. The Queen has no standing in South Africa, it is a republic with a president. Or it was a republic with a president until the recent passing of Mandela, who, though he left office many years ago, is still the only proper president they've had.

    Anyway... in Canada the court case would be R. v Pistorius ("R" being the Queen, and short for "Regina" in Latin) charges in South Africa would have nothing to do with the queen and neither would any aspect of the court process or the forms of address in it.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigface View Post
    No. We have no deference to the Queen whatsoever in any matters legal or political.
    As stated by others, the reference is to the judge, who happens to be a woman.

    And I am really glad we have no jury system. I can think of nothing more frightening than having your fate determined by twelve average, prejudiced, racist, bigoted, religious morons (which is what you will get, in ANY country).
    Playing the devil's advocate, would having just one person (the judge), who may be internally prejudiced, racist, and bigoted him/herself, determining your fate be better?

    I'm not here to debate which system is better, just stating that one can find fault with any system and I don't believe there exists a system that is "perfect".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigface View Post
    And I am really glad we have no jury system. I can think of nothing more frightening than having your fate determined by twelve average, prejudiced, racist, bigoted, religious morons (which is what you will get, in ANY country).
    Whilst we get a very occasional anomoly, by and large the jury system works well in UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by dereperez View Post
    Playing the devil's advocate, would having just one person (the judge), who may be internally prejudiced, racist, and bigoted him/herself, determining your fate be better?
    I did question in another thread whether it would be more likely that a single judge could be influenced more easily than a jury of 12

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    Quote Originally Posted by dereperez View Post
    Playing the devil's advocate, would having just one person (the judge), who may be internally prejudiced, racist, and bigoted him/herself, determining your fate be better?
    I think very much yes. A judge may have personal bias, but the judgement is always subject to scrutiny by other judges; the judge cannot do anything that is unfair. And as you see on TV now, she has three advisors watching everything, so while they cannot make the final decision, anything that the judge does that is suspect will be red-flagged. If things are seen as unfair or odd, there is the supreme court of appeal, and higher than that, the constitutional court, both of which can review the case and change the judgement.

    And judges usually have a much, much better education and wider view of the world than jurors.

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    You know i used to think Oscar was cute until ,he killed Reeva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mizanin66 View Post
    You know i used to think Oscar was cute until ,he killed Reeva.
    Firing a gun in a crowded restaurant, driving in a public road at 270km/h, shooting into the sky... if it hadn't been her, he would have killed someone sooner or later.

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    All of "My Lady" is explained by the president of the South African law society in this CBC Radio interview at the 6:24 mark.

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