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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taralen View Post
    Suicide is so stupid. Who gives a fuck about what other people think of you or who has it better than you and what not.
    That's laughably not how it works.
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    Not everyone is the same as everyone else so i do get that some are more happy then others.

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    I don't have a wealth of experience with suicide (thankfully), but it seems most prevalent to people who have lost hope, many with good reason.

    When you don't believe things are going to change for the better..........why continue on?

    I'm not opposed to suicide. It's a difficult subject, but I have a hard time telling someone they have to live in physical/emotional/mental pain because it makes me uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I can imagine suicide, but I can't hold the idea in my head, even in the abstract, without a powerful voice of self preservation intruding in my thoughts. Actually the instinct of self-preservation commandeers my thoughts entirely. Even just typing this, there is a "NO!" forming itself in my head.

    I imagine for those who go through with it, that voice goes quiet or is unheard.

    I can think unflinchingly of ending my life to prevent the suffering decline of dementia, or perhaps some other kinds of suffering, but even then there is a creative voice suggesting ways to cope without it having to come to that.
    Thank you for making this point. I've always said that self-preservation is a continual heartbeat within the human psyche. It's as if the human mind is some sort of computer, with built-in programs that resists it's destruction or demise despite the circumstances. It's a very powerful thing to overcome unless and only unless the mind is met with an infinite measure of hopelessness. And for this reason we should NEVER ridicule or make light of a person who has succumbed to their own self destruct program.
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    The causal reasons for suicide are many. Ranging from despair, grief, anger, guilt, finances to mention but a few. Many members know of my struggle when my first partner died. I have bared my soul on the subject several times.
    For me it was an overwhelming sense of loss, coupled with the most anger that i have ever felt, towards not only those responsible, but also towards my own faith.

    Mine were not impulsive thoughts, these are commonly but not exclusively the reason for people jumping from extreme heights, be it a building or a bridge. Or throwing oneself onto the path of a train or car.
    I had made sure my affairs were in order, my will was updated, all my bills payed. Plus a lengthy and detailed letter to my friends trying to explain why i felt i had to do this.

    I had drawn up a lethal dose of Fentanyl. I had placed the syringe on my desk and sat and just stared for hours, trying to find an alternative and less final and drastic solution. At that time i could not, for me all hope and the joy of live had gone.
    My sleeve was rolled up, a tourniquet was in place, all i had to do was slip the needle into a vein. Death would have been very, very fast and pain free.
    This was not a parasuicide attempt, of hesitation cuts on my wrists, or swallowing handfuls of tablets, usually but not always washed down with strong spirits.
    For me this was as real as it got. What stopped me? My phone rang, it was my partners best mate and a great friend of mine, he had called to let me know he was on his way over to my flat.
    That is what stopped me, the thought of a great friend finding me, and the trauma he would have suffered, especially after seeing my
    partner and his best mate die.

    Now, that great friend is my partner, through him, and i must confess through the support i received from many members here, i slowly
    started to function again.
    It was no easy task, i had to rid myself of the hate i felt towards not only those responsible for Erik's death, but my total indifference to the world that surrounded me, all of it's wonders, all of it's humanity. Even my faith.
    It was not an easy journey, and took me over two years to even begin to see a glimpse of what life still held.
    For me that is what made the difference.

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleheart View Post
    connect the dots...
    Hi.

    Is this going around in your head or are you thinking this through out of concern for someone else who might be close to you and having these thoughts?

    I know you for posting the most original and perceptive questions on JUB, and for your helpfulness and kind regard to others. So that's how I took your question at first. I assumed you would be more likely to think about this than experience it. But if you're finding it hard to lift your head up above your own thoughts right now, I'd bet that's a surprise to you too because you know yourself to be the helpful one who gets by, not the one who would need help.

    But nobody can make that assumption about others or themselves. What I didn't mention in my last post is that internal voice that keeps us going is allowed to get tired sometimes and allowed to be exhausted. That's what the rest of the world is supposed to be there for, to step in and carry on showing you a path forward when your own voice fails. None of us has to be able to figure out and cope with every problem we face. It's okay to lay stuff at the foot of someone else to figure out.

    So if this is more real to you than abstract and if connecting the dots doesn't seem to be leading you forward to a happy long life, say so.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    I've heard Suicide described as a Permanent "solution" to Temporary "problems". I'm using those quotes as an example of Perception. And, obviously, those who Do commit suicide do Not consider their "problems" Temporary.

    However, some of those "problems", even a terminal illness, certainly ARE Temporary. That is ... ALL of Us are going to Die eventually. LIFE is not something ANY of Us are going to survive! So ... the question really boils down to whether we are going to choose to end that Life, by our own hand, OR, are we going to let the rest of our time Naturally play out?

    I've contemplated Purposefully leaving the Planet, many, Many, times, from my mid teens to even now. Perhaps, even MORE Now, since I'm closer to my guaranteed End. As convoluted as it might sound, I might prefer killing myself before I have to face Dying, and what I might have to go through before I get There!

    I also realize that's pretty Selfish! I'm not really "Up" to experiencing certain health, financial, and "Quality of Life" declines. I mean, that's not really Living anyway. Is it?

    Of course, though I think I have a good idea of what's to come, how can I really Know?

    SO ... since I also Know that things Can "turn on a dime", and there isn't Anything "certain" about the Future, I've also, at least for Now, decided to wait to see "The REST of The Story".

    I do hold that, "We are ALL Spiritual Beings 'enjoying' a Temporary physical existence." SO ... why not let that Temporary run it's course? There is Always the possibility there could be more Interesting things yet to come!

    Then again ... Depression can be a Very Dark, yet quite Comfortable, state to wallow in. And, there doesn't have to be a "Reason" for it, as self-destructive as it can be. It has Nothing to do with social standing/relationships, financial well being, nor Anything else. It can Devour YOU without regard to your True intentions, or desires.

    Butt, the realization that the Sun is going to rise tomorrow, and the dawning day has the Potential to have unexpected surprises in store, is more of an incentive, at least so far, to hang around to see what might happen.

    All the more reasons to ... No Matter What ...

    Keep Smilin'!!
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    I cant 'physically' make people feel no depression but i realy hope You jubbers feeling like that get through your hard Times cause ,i would hate for anyone to be in pain.

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Thanks to all of you for sharing your thoughts, opinions, and ideas regarding this sensitive topic. For those of you concerned...I started this thread because I have been having feelings of worthlessness for a while now, and I do sometimes wonder about what it'd be like to just not exist anymore.

    However, I do keep that glimmer of hope that things will get better...and I will make it through this period. I have been told by friends and loved ones that I am much too hard on myself, and I should give myself a "break" sometimes. I'm working on it.

    I would never do anything to hurt myself, but I couldn't help but wonder what it is within me that keeps me from even allowing myself to entertain the idea, while so many others not only entertain the idea but actually follow through with it. It was curiosity at most. No worries, guys.

    I just allow myself to feel some kind of way...and keep on moving.
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    ^We look forward to reading more posts from you with the further thought that hope is a friend worth inviting into our life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanimal View Post


    Butt, the realization that the Sun is going to rise tomorrow, and the dawning day has the Potential to have unexpected surprises in store, is more of an incentive, at least so far, to hang around to see what might happen.

    All the more reasons to ... No Matter What ...
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    The Sun Also Shines

    Forget that stupid book "The Sun also Rises"


    Hemingway was a worn out old queen anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ..........................Hemingway was a worn out old queen anyway
    Doesn't that describe quite a few of us here.
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    Too many things go wrong gets you to that point, then when you are going to do it, how? then you think what you care about, and if that is gone or not, that' the difference. My experience in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmadaf View Post
    Too many things go wrong gets you to that point, then when you are going to do it, how? then you think what you care about, and if that is gone or not, that's the difference. My experience in my life.
    Very well put, and I totally "Get" that. I've been "there", too.

    A BIG difference is the "How". There are SO many options. I've not, yet, come up with one that isn't Obvious, though. (Other than my continued smoking.)

    IF I was going to do it, I wouldn't want Anyone to think it was because of them. Or, Anyone to get into a downward vortex of wondering "Why" did he do it? I wouldn't want to leave that kind of despair behind me. I do not wish to cause Anyone an iota of angst. My motivation would not be because of Anyone else, anyway. It would be my Own "thing", strictly for me. Absolutely NO relation to Anyone else.

    SO ... How can you do it, and still mange to make it appear Natural?

    Guess I'll have to keep going the way that I am, and simply allow my death to happen, whenever it might, with just a bit of "underhanded" encouragement.

    Just more reasons to ... No Matter What ...

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    That's a BS statement. My life isn't bleak and I have no fear of death. Not fearing death is the realization that we will all one day die: it may be tomorrow, it may be 50 years from now.
    I know you're too cool for school but if someone were going to shoot you in the head, you wouldn't be worried you were going to die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedavo View Post
    I know you're too cool for school but if someone were going to shoot you in the head, you wouldn't be worried you were going to die?
    There is a difference between not fearing death, ie. knowing that at some point in time we will no longer exist and accepting that as a necessary event in anyone's life and fearing the manner and time in which we die.
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    The capacity to accept being mortal is different from the intention to resist death.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedavo View Post
    Fearing death means that you're not ready to accept that life is hopeless. Your situation might be bleak but there's still hope or faith that you'll overcome or atleast move past.
    This is nonsense. One can be convinced that life is hopeless, but still fear that death will be even worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    ^Suicide is never determined by the size of ones bank account....
    Not necessarily true. An Eastern Orthodox priest I knew related a case he dealt with where a guy was planning suicide, but the priest convinced him that it was perfectly all right to spend some of his accumulated wealth to find something enjoyable in life. The guy made a sort of desperation bucket list, things to try to see if they could bring some enjoyment. A significant portion of his net worth later, something did indeed bring enjoyment, and armed with that he ditched the suicide plans.

    If he hadn't had the money to try those things, he probably would have just gone ahead with his plan.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Suicide isn't always about hopelessness -- in fact, the two times I actually tried, hopelessness wasn't involved. Once, it was the conviction that my life was such a disaster for the universe that if I killed myself, intelligent beings in the Andromeda galaxy would suddenly discover life to be more joyful than a moment before. The other time, I was convinced that everyone important to me wanted me did, so I determined to oblige them.

    In the one case, even the doctors didn't know why it didn't work. In the other, the pills I took led me -- according to the guys who figured out what was going on and dragged me to the emergency room -- to go looking for a drink of water because the drugs made me both very thirsty and not consciously aware of what I was doing.


    I did slice my wrist once when I felt hopeless, but in retrospect it wasn't so much a suicide attempt as an effort to feel something besides the numb hopelessness.

    And another time I was actually lifting the knife to slice my wrist when my roommate, who was NEVER home at that time on that day of the week, walked in -- his class had been canceled (something that professor had never done before), and he said he just felt wrong about going to study in the library and came back to the house instead. The only feeling I can recall from that time wasn't hopelessness, but feeling overwhelmed, like life was just throwing too many things at me to be handled by a human being.


    So after lengthy pondering here, I can't think of what it was that made the difference between the times I went through with it (but got rescued) and times I had a plan and put everything in place but then didn't make the final step.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    So after lengthy pondering here, I can't think of what it was that made the difference between the times I went through with it (but got rescued) and times I had a plan and put everything in place but then didn't make the final step.
    I don't know what it was either, but I think that orthodox priest had a good practical suggestion for what might make the difference in any of us. The only point I would add to his advice is just to note that money isn't the only way to move through a list like that.
    Americans need to keep their guns so they can protect themselves from gun violence just like Nancy Lanza did. And like Chris Kyle did. And like Gabby Giffords did. And like Tom Clements did. And like Michael Piemonte. And Joseph Wilcox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I don't know what it was either, but I think that orthodox priest had a good practical suggestion for what might make the difference in any of us. The only point I would add to his advice is just to note that money isn't the only way to move through a list like that.
    True, but the guy apparently needed to learn that money wasn't for hoarding anyway. OTOH, without money, it would be hard to try many things at all.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Suicide = Vanity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    Suicide = Vanity
    You could make a case that life is vanity too.

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    Suicide is shit and so Emo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    True, but the guy apparently needed to learn that money wasn't for hoarding anyway. OTOH, without money, it would be hard to try many things at all.
    Personally? I HATE "Money"!

    IT doesn't give a damn who has, or doesn't have, IT! And, there is Nothing "Judicious" about IT!

    I DEPLORE what IT, are the lack of IT, can do to People!

    Butt, when the rubber hits the road, does Wealth, per se, Really have that much of an effect?

    I've known some quite miserable, yet Very wealthy, even "Famous", people. I've also known some of those who were "Dirt Poor", yet the happiest folks I've Ever run across!

    I don't think our LIVES are Actually defined by "Money". IT's just a "Thing".

    However, I must admit that I wished I had so much of IT that I didn't have to worry about IT!

    That's not the case, though! I may be in the upper 75%, but I'm nowhere near "The 1%", even though some of my closest friends, and relatives, are in the 2%!

    Personal Value, and Financial Value, are NOT the same things!

    Though Financial problems have often lead to suicide, which, in My view, is pretty Dumb, I've found the major impetus to be a sense of Personal Hopelessness. The idea that a Permanent Solution is the answer to Temporary Hassles that we feel we can't simply Live up to. It's a deep pool of Despair, in spite of one's back account, butt tied into our sense of SELF, or the Devaluation of Ourselves.

    Just all the more reasons to ... No Matter What ...

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    Elegiac Sonnet #44

    by Charlotte Smith

    Press'd by the Moon, mute arbitress of tides,
    While the loud equinox its power combines,
    The sea no more its swelling surge confines,
    But o'er the shrinking land sublimely rides.
    The wild blast, rising from the Western cave,
    Drives the huge billows from their heaving bed;
    Tears from their grassy tombs the village dead,
    And breaks the silent sabbath of the grave!
    With shells and sea-weed mingled, on the shore
    Lo! their bones whiten in the frequent wave;
    But vain to them the winds and waters rave;
    They hear the warring elements no more:
    While I am doom'dóby life's long storm opprest,
    To gaze with envy on their gloomy rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    The difference between someone who contemplates suicide and someone who actually goes through with it is 'fear' - fear of life versus fear of death.

    For those who simply contemplate it, the fear of death outweighs the fear of life. For those who go through with it, the fear of life outweighs the fear of death.
    Thank you. I liked what you said, sounds poetic to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Suicidal ideation begins with overwhelming emotional stress and it can lead to two different attempts: suicide and parasuicide. Not all suicide attempts are made with the intent to actually go through with it. A seriously desperate person may actually the realize the potential to get better and feel better, so may only attempt a parasuicide.
    Make sense..
    mine while ago just a light parasuicide.
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    IMO I think we need to respect anyone who wants to commit suicide- because it's a perfectly personal reason. And because it's completely natural (happens in animal kingdom as well)
    People who threw public notification about their suicide are the one who must be interfered/ disrespect by their decision. If someone throws outcry about suicide, it's definitely because they still NEED help/ to contemplating, asking opinion or mere getting attention of their problem.

    And we..as a courteous/ sane human being ought to NOT giving them support for suicide.

    But back to my policy of 'personal reason.'
    The right way to suicide is not to tell anyone about it/ not making a hype. If someone I knew suicide without notification, he dies only with aftermath letter like...Kurt Cobain-style, then I respect his/her decision.

    People who posting their suicide video on viral are attention whores..still they carry that label after they died.

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