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    ^We look forward to reading more posts from you with the further thought that hope is a friend worth inviting into our life...

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanimal View Post


    Butt, the realization that the Sun is going to rise tomorrow, and the dawning day has the Potential to have unexpected surprises in store, is more of an incentive, at least so far, to hang around to see what might happen.

    All the more reasons to ... No Matter What ...
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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    The Sun Also Shines

    Forget that stupid book "The Sun also Rises"


    Hemingway was a worn out old queen anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgymike View Post
    ..........................Hemingway was a worn out old queen anyway
    Doesn't that describe quite a few of us here.
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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Too many things go wrong gets you to that point, then when you are going to do it, how? then you think what you care about, and if that is gone or not, that' the difference. My experience in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmadaf View Post
    Too many things go wrong gets you to that point, then when you are going to do it, how? then you think what you care about, and if that is gone or not, that's the difference. My experience in my life.
    Very well put, and I totally "Get" that. I've been "there", too.

    A BIG difference is the "How". There are SO many options. I've not, yet, come up with one that isn't Obvious, though. (Other than my continued smoking.)

    IF I was going to do it, I wouldn't want Anyone to think it was because of them. Or, Anyone to get into a downward vortex of wondering "Why" did he do it? I wouldn't want to leave that kind of despair behind me. I do not wish to cause Anyone an iota of angst. My motivation would not be because of Anyone else, anyway. It would be my Own "thing", strictly for me. Absolutely NO relation to Anyone else.

    SO ... How can you do it, and still mange to make it appear Natural?

    Guess I'll have to keep going the way that I am, and simply allow my death to happen, whenever it might, with just a bit of "underhanded" encouragement.

    Just more reasons to ... No Matter What ...

    Keep Smilin'!!
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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    That's a BS statement. My life isn't bleak and I have no fear of death. Not fearing death is the realization that we will all one day die: it may be tomorrow, it may be 50 years from now.
    I know you're too cool for school but if someone were going to shoot you in the head, you wouldn't be worried you were going to die?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitedavo View Post
    I know you're too cool for school but if someone were going to shoot you in the head, you wouldn't be worried you were going to die?
    There is a difference between not fearing death, ie. knowing that at some point in time we will no longer exist and accepting that as a necessary event in anyone's life and fearing the manner and time in which we die.
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    The capacity to accept being mortal is different from the intention to resist death.

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by whitedavo View Post
    Fearing death means that you're not ready to accept that life is hopeless. Your situation might be bleak but there's still hope or faith that you'll overcome or atleast move past.
    This is nonsense. One can be convinced that life is hopeless, but still fear that death will be even worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by kallipolis View Post
    ^Suicide is never determined by the size of ones bank account....
    Not necessarily true. An Eastern Orthodox priest I knew related a case he dealt with where a guy was planning suicide, but the priest convinced him that it was perfectly all right to spend some of his accumulated wealth to find something enjoyable in life. The guy made a sort of desperation bucket list, things to try to see if they could bring some enjoyment. A significant portion of his net worth later, something did indeed bring enjoyment, and armed with that he ditched the suicide plans.

    If he hadn't had the money to try those things, he probably would have just gone ahead with his plan.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Suicide isn't always about hopelessness -- in fact, the two times I actually tried, hopelessness wasn't involved. Once, it was the conviction that my life was such a disaster for the universe that if I killed myself, intelligent beings in the Andromeda galaxy would suddenly discover life to be more joyful than a moment before. The other time, I was convinced that everyone important to me wanted me did, so I determined to oblige them.

    In the one case, even the doctors didn't know why it didn't work. In the other, the pills I took led me -- according to the guys who figured out what was going on and dragged me to the emergency room -- to go looking for a drink of water because the drugs made me both very thirsty and not consciously aware of what I was doing.


    I did slice my wrist once when I felt hopeless, but in retrospect it wasn't so much a suicide attempt as an effort to feel something besides the numb hopelessness.

    And another time I was actually lifting the knife to slice my wrist when my roommate, who was NEVER home at that time on that day of the week, walked in -- his class had been canceled (something that professor had never done before), and he said he just felt wrong about going to study in the library and came back to the house instead. The only feeling I can recall from that time wasn't hopelessness, but feeling overwhelmed, like life was just throwing too many things at me to be handled by a human being.


    So after lengthy pondering here, I can't think of what it was that made the difference between the times I went through with it (but got rescued) and times I had a plan and put everything in place but then didn't make the final step.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    So after lengthy pondering here, I can't think of what it was that made the difference between the times I went through with it (but got rescued) and times I had a plan and put everything in place but then didn't make the final step.
    I don't know what it was either, but I think that orthodox priest had a good practical suggestion for what might make the difference in any of us. The only point I would add to his advice is just to note that money isn't the only way to move through a list like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankside View Post
    I don't know what it was either, but I think that orthodox priest had a good practical suggestion for what might make the difference in any of us. The only point I would add to his advice is just to note that money isn't the only way to move through a list like that.
    True, but the guy apparently needed to learn that money wasn't for hoarding anyway. OTOH, without money, it would be hard to try many things at all.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Suicide = Vanity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harke the Boeotarch View Post
    Suicide = Vanity
    You could make a case that life is vanity too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    True, but the guy apparently needed to learn that money wasn't for hoarding anyway. OTOH, without money, it would be hard to try many things at all.
    Personally? I HATE "Money"!

    IT doesn't give a damn who has, or doesn't have, IT! And, there is Nothing "Judicious" about IT!

    I DEPLORE what IT, are the lack of IT, can do to People!

    Butt, when the rubber hits the road, does Wealth, per se, Really have that much of an effect?

    I've known some quite miserable, yet Very wealthy, even "Famous", people. I've also known some of those who were "Dirt Poor", yet the happiest folks I've Ever run across!

    I don't think our LIVES are Actually defined by "Money". IT's just a "Thing".

    However, I must admit that I wished I had so much of IT that I didn't have to worry about IT!

    That's not the case, though! I may be in the upper 75%, but I'm nowhere near "The 1%", even though some of my closest friends, and relatives, are in the 2%!

    Personal Value, and Financial Value, are NOT the same things!

    Though Financial problems have often lead to suicide, which, in My view, is pretty Dumb, I've found the major impetus to be a sense of Personal Hopelessness. The idea that a Permanent Solution is the answer to Temporary Hassles that we feel we can't simply Live up to. It's a deep pool of Despair, in spite of one's back account, butt tied into our sense of SELF, or the Devaluation of Ourselves.

    Just all the more reasons to ... No Matter What ...

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Elegiac Sonnet #44

    by Charlotte Smith

    Press'd by the Moon, mute arbitress of tides,
    While the loud equinox its power combines,
    The sea no more its swelling surge confines,
    But o'er the shrinking land sublimely rides.
    The wild blast, rising from the Western cave,
    Drives the huge billows from their heaving bed;
    Tears from their grassy tombs the village dead,
    And breaks the silent sabbath of the grave!
    With shells and sea-weed mingled, on the shore
    Lo! their bones whiten in the frequent wave;
    But vain to them the winds and waters rave;
    They hear the warring elements no more:
    While I am doom'dóby life's long storm opprest,
    To gaze with envy on their gloomy rest.
    "I'll cast a spell that you can't undo...'til you wake up and you find that you love me too..."

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    Re: Suicide...what makes the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by gsdx View Post
    The difference between someone who contemplates suicide and someone who actually goes through with it is 'fear' - fear of life versus fear of death.

    For those who simply contemplate it, the fear of death outweighs the fear of life. For those who go through with it, the fear of life outweighs the fear of death.
    Thank you. I liked what you said, sounds poetic to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Alnitak View Post
    Suicidal ideation begins with overwhelming emotional stress and it can lead to two different attempts: suicide and parasuicide. Not all suicide attempts are made with the intent to actually go through with it. A seriously desperate person may actually the realize the potential to get better and feel better, so may only attempt a parasuicide.
    Make sense..
    mine while ago just a light parasuicide.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    IMO I think we need to respect anyone who wants to commit suicide- because it's a perfectly personal reason. And because it's completely natural (happens in animal kingdom as well)
    People who threw public notification about their suicide are the one who must be interfered/ disrespect by their decision. If someone throws outcry about suicide, it's definitely because they still NEED help/ to contemplating, asking opinion or mere getting attention of their problem.

    And we..as a courteous/ sane human being ought to NOT giving them support for suicide.

    But back to my policy of 'personal reason.'
    The right way to suicide is not to tell anyone about it/ not making a hype. If someone I knew suicide without notification, he dies only with aftermath letter like...Kurt Cobain-style, then I respect his/her decision.

    People who posting their suicide video on viral are attention whores..still they carry that label after they died.

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