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    Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Yes I said Hillary.

    I'm predicting that she will run in 2016 and I'm making the same $1000 bet that I did when I said Obama would defeat McCain and Romney, that if she wins the nomination she will defeat the republican in the general - barring some disaster.

    Hillary will win in a landslide, probably getting more than 60% of the electoral vote.

    In the 2012 election, Democrats lost half of the 10 million voters that voted in 2008 but republicans did far far worse, only gaining a million votes compared to McCain.

    People will look at that and say Democrats really dropped the ball in 2012 by losing 5 million voters, but poll after poll shows the opposite is true, democrats didn't go far enough - as 72% of Americans support single payer.

    Democrats were punished in 2012 not for passing healthcare, a historic achievement on its own, but because they didn't seize a huge opportunity for radical fundamental change.

    So, does the GOP have bad candidates or just bad policies? Turns out its both.

    The Republicans and their turncoat corporate backers have been spreading lies, holding the economy hostage, and undermining our democracy for years and the public has been paying attention, and are just waiting to send the GOP packing.

    Americans are not going to stand by and allow the GOP to systematically dismantle the Affordable Care Act, and whatever else they get their hands on.

    With those factors alone almost any Democrat will have an easy time routing any challenger, and Hillary already leads them all.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...094.html?hp=r2

    The only person, and I mean only, that could challenge Hillary would be Senator Warren or maybe another Democratic Senator that we know little about that could more appeal to liberals.

    What would really do harm to the democratic party is if they excluded perceived threats to a Clinton candidacy.

    The Obama-Clinton rivalry garnered 30 million votes in the 2008 primary alone, undoubtedly helping democrats in the general election that year.


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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Unfortunately, you're a bit too optimistic. I suspect you may be from a blue state where we tend to think liberal policies are good. In the red states, the districts have been gerrymandered to re-elect Republicans. Dems may claim the presidency, but as we are painfully learning, without both houses of Congress--nothing gets done. We need to turn out voters in the off year election first.

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

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    ^^^This, and the winning of local elections is "job one"... school board presidents, precinct captains. When Tip O'Neil (a real Speaker of the House) said that all politics is local, he really said a mouthful. I like Hillary, but if butthole Cruz is going to bring up Monica Lewinsky, you can bet that we're once again going through all the shit about Whitewater, Vince Foster, her late father Hugh Rodham, Linda Tripp, Paula Jones, her shoe size... get the message? If I start a rumor that she was on the "grassy knoll" on 11/22/63 there will be mental midgets that will believe me. Also, let's not forget

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    I rather think you overstate the case. And your Politico article ("Virginia poll: Hillary Clinton sweeps GOP field") doesn't really compel your argument or conclusions. Did you have another source?

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Don't think dredging up old or new Top 10 made up gop "scandals" will help--I mean they impeached Bill and he has a 68% approval ---they will try to do the same with Obama once they take over the Senate and will help Obama get higher approval numbers, too---we have a dysfunctional system because of the radical anti-american gop, who never accepts or respects a dem pres. And to make matters worse there is no end in sight to the dysfunction. More people vote for Dems in Congress but the gop rule it. So, although Dems can get in the White House, they will always be hunted down by the rabid hate machine that is the gop, and will continue to obstruct progress--until they take over everything and run the country in the ground again. I mean when mentally ill sociopaths like cruz are considered "great future leaders of the gop" the future doesn't seem too bright in every sense of the word.

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    I don't really care about Democrat key to success, I want the country's key to success. And that would be an end to gerrymandering, period. The easiest way to do that would just be to get rid of Congressional districts -- which, after all, are not in the Constitution, so Representatives could be elected at large for the state just like Senators. The easiest way to do that would be by party, with the people standing for each party listed in order. I'd love to see members of seven different parties seated from California -- and if it could be done that way in Texas, the GOP would be in trouble there; they'd lose ground to Reform and Constitution and Libertarian (and even Lone Star, if they're still around?).

    That way both sides of the Two-Faced Whore in Washington would have to grow up and actually pay some attention to the will of the people.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Apportionment must end!! The numbers in the House must rise! 435 seats in Congress is woefully artificial and arbitrary...and is completely INEFFECTIVE at representing just shy of 314 MILLION US Citizens! The fact that the average number of people in a congressional district is 646,946 per House member, is staggering!!

    (Food for thought, the official 2010 census count for Memphis, TN was 646,889; the 2012 estimated population for Washington, DC was 632,323.)

    I realize Article the First (30,000 per congress[wo]man) would be untenable, nowadays. But can we increase the number of the lower house so it would be 75,000 per seat or even 90,000 per seat? And enough of this older more established states losing house seats; it should only go up or down according to the population.

    Gerrymandering every 10 years, in favor of either Party, is CRIMINAL! Each state should have an independent board to properly distribute congressional districts by population.

    Congress should be more Westminster in character, more flexible, a multi-partied animal. Nimble, representative, democratic (small "d.") Votes of no confidence, maybe a congressional Prime Minister?

    Down with the monolithic dinosaur!

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    [SIZE=4][FONT=Courier New][B]Apportionment must end!! The numbers in the House must rise! 435 seats in Congress is woefully artificial and arbitrary...and is completely INEFFECTIVE at representing just shy of 314 MILLION US Citizens! The fact that the average number of people in a congressional district is 646,946 per House member, is staggering!!
    ....
    I realize Article the First (30,000 per congress[wo]man) would be untenable, nowadays. But can we increase the number of the lower house so it would be 75,000 per seat or even 90,000 per seat? And enough of this older more established states losing house seats; it should only go up or down according to the population.
    That's also a good idea. Somewhere on JUB there was a discussion once of how to do it, even. Personally I'd say increase the seats by 10% each of the next half dozen elections, then pause to see how we're doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    Gerrymandering every 10 years, in favor of either Party, is CRIMINAL! Each state should have an independent board to properly distribute congressional districts by population.
    No board -- just eliminate Congressional districts and elect at large by party. As you say:

    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    Congress should be more Westminster in character, more flexible, a multi-partied animal. Nimble, representative, democratic (small "d.") Votes of no confidence, maybe a congressional Prime Minister?
    Prime Minister? No, but if we abolished Congressional districts and doubled the size of the House, the Speaker's office would become much like a Prime Minister's position in that he'd have to be chosen by coalitions of parties.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    ^Kulindahr, I truly like and agree at your level-headed approach to getting more representation, while also evaluating the potential growth of the house by making sure it's done responsibly without creating any governmental corruption, graft, and wasteful spending.

    By the way, we should also try to rein in the over-influence of corporate lobbyists. Your proposed 10% growth and encouragement of multi-parties will do well to quell their "big business"-interest groups.

    As for my thought of "Prime Minister" I wasn't thinking of an: all-powerful, "British, Thatcher-style" position.

    I was thinking more like a tandem French model of President-Prime Minister. Maybe a hybrid House Speaker who is voted upon by coalition governments and/or parties, like you mentioned above.
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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Democracy needs a certain maturity of the voters, it's missing in this part of the world.

    The daily antics in the United States Congress are only mimicking the nepotism, cronyism and self serving attitude endemic in state legislatures....when in Rome....almost, a Greek tragedy.......

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Nepotism? Where exactly? You don't think Obama and Holder are related do you?

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    I don't think the country needs Hillary but she will get the nom and win. How droll politics have become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpowr9 View Post
    I don't think the country needs Hillary but she will get the nom and win. How droll politics have become.
    Some may not appreciate this, but I think it will be great to finally have a post Cold War President who doesn't underestimate Russia.

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    ^Kulindahr, I truly like and agree at your level-headed approach to getting more representation, while also evaluating the potential growth of the house by making sure it's done responsibly without creating any governmental corruption, graft, and wasteful spending.

    By the way, we should also try to rein in the over-influence of corporate lobbyists. Your proposed 10% growth and encouragement of multi-parties will do well to quell their "big business"-interest groups.

    As for my thought of "Prime Minister" I wasn't thinking of an: all-powerful, "British, Thatcher-style" position.

    I was thinking more like a tandem French model of President-Prime Minister. Maybe a hybrid House Speaker who is voted upon by coalition governments and/or parties, like you mentioned above.
    No, if you want to rein in big corporations, you pass the "real person" amendment, which would specify that only actual living, breathing human beings who are either citizens or legal residents have ANY political rights in the US... period.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin View Post
    Some may not appreciate this, but I think it will be great to finally have a post Cold War President who doesn't underestimate Russia.
    I don't think "underestimate" is the right word -- there's not much to underestimate since they're really only a regional power any more. "Misunderstand" is more like it -- it's tiring to hear politicians who speak as though Russia can be treated any differently than any third-rate dictatorship (other than their larger military).

    It would also be nice to have politicians who understand that Russia comes close to being the embodiment of the heresy of combining church and state, where the church blesses the state as God's agent on earth for political guidance of the human race. The entire Russian Orthodox Church is no different than all the idiot fundamentalists in the USA who regard their country as God's chosen nation.



    BTW, it's a heresy because it denies the work of Christ in making all people equal before God.

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulindahr View Post
    No, if you want to rein in big corporations, you pass the "real person" amendment, which would specify that only actual living, breathing human beings who are either citizens or legal residents have ANY political rights in the US... period.
    Good luck with that, especially since the the majority of the GOP (TM) is bought and underwritten by "Big Business."

    Besides, an amendment would do little to overturn "coorporate personhood" and the odious "Citizens United" decision by the terribly conservative-leaning and controversial US Supreme Court.
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    Re: Democrats key to success, elect people like FDR, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Obama, Hillary

    Quote Originally Posted by skinIsIn View Post
    Good luck with that, especially since the the majority of the GOP (TM) is bought and underwritten by "Big Business."

    Besides, an amendment would do little to overturn "coorporate personhood" and the odious "Citizens United" decision by the terribly conservative-leaning and controversial US Supreme Court.
    Such an amendment would make the Citizens United decision -- the most asininely argued correct decision in history, BTW -- irrelevant, along with corporate personhood (which CU didn't even address).

    "Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

    --Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

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